Tq for your work sir. It has really been informative for me. Comparing your work with other UA-camrs, i realized that the numbers of the cheaper LM are quite close to their more expensive cousins. Which to me are trustable numbers. The weakness of the cheaper LM starts to be very glaring when it comes to driver. Never has i seen it could keep up with their more expensive cousins. Tq for ur work again sir.
Thank you! I'm glad you found it helpful. I agree that most launch monitors start to show some problems with driver, probably due to the higher ball speed.
Great video! I actually upgraded to the ST+ after having enough of the Mevo+ and I absolutely love it. No more fussy setup and knock on wood, no endless problems and troubleshooting. I can get right into practicing and my numbers on the Skytrak seem to closely mirror what I’d play on the course. I did have 2 no reads today with driver, but I use mine outside and it seemed to fix when I moved the tee with the edge touching the dot instead of placing it right over the dot completely.
What didn't you like about the mevo plus? I'm looking for a launch monitor for mainly indoor garage use ( space and lighting isn't an issue as garage is huge).
@@nichollsboy11 Even if the space isn’t huge I think a camera-based unit is the move hitting into a net or screen. Mevo was hard to setup and the battery quality was horrible, needed it replaced. Flightscope help was really good but it’s not fun mailing a unit back and forth all the time. Mevo always worked well up to 5 iron but then the reads would often be very short with woods/driver (like 30 yards with driver), so that was very frustrating. I’ve since switched to the Skytrak and it’s very consistent, very accurate to my on course numbers and easier to use/setup overall. This is just my experience, but I think the price difference has been worth it.
You are comparing a Pro unit against a consumer unit and inevitably with using at the same time there is the possibility of interference. Given the price differential the ST + results are highly impressive. Club head speed was virtually identical, spin was close enough on virtually every shot, carry data (except for driver, but see below) was again close enough. Launch angle seemed to be consistently a little low on ST +, that is something they may be able to tweak with a software update. The main downsides are that club path & face to path data was a bit variable. A difference of a couple of degrees is not massive in absolute terms but a big variance in relative terms. That is an area where the unit definitely needs a bit of improvement. As for the driver carry, I think this may be a function of the slightly low launch angle. It would be interesting to see what the results would be if ST tweak the software to deliver a slightly higher launch angle, I suspect carry distances would become very close. Against that the one driver shot where you hit a really low spin shot I think I would trust the ST carry more than the GC Quad number, with a club head speed of just over 100 mph that sort of shot should, in real life, drop out of the air pretty quickly. IMO ST + is excellent, maybe a software update or 2 needed and if they can be a bit more accurate with club path and face to path they have a GC Quad killer
appreciate the review. from what I remember about skytrak (im a happy mevo+ user) the platform has to be separate to remove any possible movement during the strike. new device doesn't appear to be an improvement from older units as far as no reads; i would be extremely frustrated paying that much for no reads.
I’m a nerd enough to have looked at a lot of that data. Pretty impressive how close things are. My summary would be that there is very little in it. The big exception being club speed being consistently slow on sktrak vs the gcquad. This resulted in higher smash factors as ball speed was always very close each time. As a radar+cam system in the skytrak for that measurement you would have to wonder which is more accurate but at least both are consistent. Carry distance was the other thing varying, mostly with driver but both are calculated values obviously. Might check if altitude, wind, or some other setting could be at play as ball speed, launch and spin were all pretty matched on those shots. I will say, that second driver where skytrak showed right of target push while gcquad drew it back left of target; both agreed path was right, face to path even further right, and face to target right. That’s not something thats usually going to produce side spin for a draw so I’m questioning the quad there tbh. Data suggests skytrak probably had that flight path correct. Great work on this video as it clearly wasn’t easy. After using both for over a year what’s your gut say about skytrak accuracy?
Overall the ST+ is clearly inferior hardware and the club data especially seems to be calculated (instead of measured) BUT it seems to do very well despite those things. The biggest drawbacks to me are that I'm always shorter with driver and the occasional missed shots are annoying.
Great Video! I have a ST+ for a week now. I cannot swing Driver in my garage ... so I have not tried the driver. For everything else, I almost never get any no reads. I feel it is very accurate for all shots (irons and hybrids). However I experimented with some 5 yards chip shots and it had a lot of no reads, just like it did on the video. 10yards, 20 yearsd no issue. Just the very short chips.
You can prob move the skytrak back to give the quad some room. I can place the ball well in front of the laser and still register the shots. Great video btw!
You know when I was just messing around with Skytrak+ by itself I tried the ball about 1 ball out in each direction of the laser and they all registered. I just wanted to place the ball on the dot as best I could because I'm not sure how it might affect the data, it at all. Thanks!
Some other UA-camrs say that if you use a Taylor Made TP5 (or TP5x) Pix ball then the graphics on it help the data pickup even better. Wonder if you have experienced that?
What’s consensus on the club data with ST+? I worry that inaccurate club data is worse than no data, especially for someone using this to work on their swing…
Good question. I haven't really done this and paid attention to the club data. It's rumored the SKYTRAK data is mostly all estimated (rather than measured) so might be interesting to see if they are far off.
The ball for Skytrak should favor the right side or dot as you facing it... You basically putting Skytrak in a disadvantage by not putting ball in the best spot. Also, with Driver and long clubs, you even want the ball to be a little more to right of red dot.
So as you’re addressing the ball, ball should be just right of the dot (with target being to the left)? I tried placing the ball directly on the dot as that’s what the manual said but I can experiment more.
For wedges ball should be left of dot, driver right of dot, all other clubs on the dot, at least that’s what has worked for me 3 years. The skytrak read every 7 iron you hit and only with wedge and driver had no reads. Seemed like when ball flight was matching, the club data was close as well so seems good. Thanks for doing this. The OG skytrak does have its fair share of no reads so I’m hoping the plus is a little better in this area.
@@spaz2841 when it worked the data seemed really close. I got more no-reads today than before and I was trying to be really careful to place it right on the dot so maybe I shouldn’t be so careful! Lol
I have gotten a few, like 1 or 2 in a session. That’s using just a few short to mid-irons. I haven’t experimented with lob wedge and driver until making this video. Not sure if launch angle too high or low is a problem or not.
Wow the Skytrak is so far out on driver. Tou might as well get a rapsodo MLM 2 Pro. I'd be intersted in seeing a Rapsodo v GC Quad or Skytrak if you have time.
I’d like to but I’m not planning on getting an MLM2 anytime soon. I still need to make a ton more videos on the launch monitors I have now. It’s hard to keep up lol
Thanks for the time spent making this video. Really appreciate it. Can’t imagine how frustrating getting this to work. Looks like some distance discrepancies between the two, but overall do you like the Skytrak+? I hate that you can’t use the Skytrak+ for swing speed training even though it has doppler radar. Really not wanting to buy a low level monitor solely for speed training. I see you’re hitting off the SigPro Softy, has that become your mat of choice or are you rotating your two favorites?
Glad it was helpful! I do like it and was impressed that it was very close in shot shape and numbers for the most part. I’m still figuring it out though. I would think maybe they could add swing speed training in a future firmware update. To me, it’s so close in price to a Launch Pro that I would have to recommend the Launch Pro. After a little more regular use of the player preferred I switched back to the sigpro softy and think that might be the one for me. Still haven’t officially decided I guess.
Thanks for doing this test. On the 5 measured parameters of ballspeed, spin, launch, launch direction and sidespin these are very close especially on the first 4 which is good as launch direction can be the parameter skytrak struggles most with. Sidespin seems to be fairly consistently 400-500 more drawspin on Quad which seems reasonably consistent and you could factor in and maybe meet in middle (on mid iron 400 SS would equate to about 6 yds further left so not massive). I tested my skytrak against quad and found too 100-200 more drawspin on quad which is obviously fine and within tolerances. Overall then pretty good Obviously these 5 parameters get feed into the proprietry algorithm and there will be some slight diffs between the 2 because of this (most significantly quad seems to slightly inflate high launch low spin drivers which is fairly well known)
You are a saint for doing this video, I can hear how tired you are! Thanks for the comparison, loving your content!
Thanks! It’s 100 degrees here so it’s pretty hot in the garage!
Tq for your work sir. It has really been informative for me. Comparing your work with other UA-camrs, i realized that the numbers of the cheaper LM are quite close to their more expensive cousins. Which to me are trustable numbers.
The weakness of the cheaper LM starts to be very glaring when it comes to driver. Never has i seen it could keep up with their more expensive cousins.
Tq for ur work again sir.
Thank you! I'm glad you found it helpful. I agree that most launch monitors start to show some problems with driver, probably due to the higher ball speed.
Great video! I actually upgraded to the ST+ after having enough of the Mevo+ and I absolutely love it. No more fussy setup and knock on wood, no endless problems and troubleshooting. I can get right into practicing and my numbers on the Skytrak seem to closely mirror what I’d play on the course. I did have 2 no reads today with driver, but I use mine outside and it seemed to fix when I moved the tee with the edge touching the dot instead of placing it right over the dot completely.
If you’re mainly indoors, going from radar to a camera-based launch monitor is pretty awesome! Thanks for watching!
What didn't you like about the mevo plus? I'm looking for a launch monitor for mainly indoor garage use ( space and lighting isn't an issue as garage is huge).
@@nichollsboy11 Even if the space isn’t huge I think a camera-based unit is the move hitting into a net or screen. Mevo was hard to setup and the battery quality was horrible, needed it replaced. Flightscope help was really good but it’s not fun mailing a unit back and forth all the time. Mevo always worked well up to 5 iron but then the reads would often be very short with woods/driver (like 30 yards with driver), so that was very frustrating. I’ve since switched to the Skytrak and it’s very consistent, very accurate to my on course numbers and easier to use/setup overall. This is just my experience, but I think the price difference has been worth it.
Skytrak best value for your buck! Pretty spot on, I tried the bag mapping option and it got my handicap spot on! It was freaky!
👍 Thanks for watching!
You are comparing a Pro unit against a consumer unit and inevitably with using at the same time there is the possibility of interference.
Given the price differential the ST + results are highly impressive. Club head speed was virtually identical, spin was close enough on virtually every shot, carry data (except for driver, but see below) was again close enough. Launch angle seemed to be consistently a little low on ST +, that is something they may be able to tweak with a software update.
The main downsides are that club path & face to path data was a bit variable. A difference of a couple of degrees is not massive in absolute terms but a big variance in relative terms. That is an area where the unit definitely needs a bit of improvement.
As for the driver carry, I think this may be a function of the slightly low launch angle. It would be interesting to see what the results would be if ST tweak the software to deliver a slightly higher launch angle, I suspect carry distances would become very close. Against that the one driver shot where you hit a really low spin shot I think I would trust the ST carry more than the GC Quad number, with a club head speed of just over 100 mph that sort of shot should, in real life, drop out of the air pretty quickly.
IMO ST + is excellent, maybe a software update or 2 needed and if they can be a bit more accurate with club path and face to path they have a GC Quad killer
Pretty good assessment of the data. Unfortunately I’m having these missed shots somewhat regularly but it looks great aside from that.
appreciate the review. from what I remember about skytrak (im a happy mevo+ user) the platform has to be separate to remove any possible movement during the strike. new device doesn't appear to be an improvement from older units as far as no reads; i would be extremely frustrated paying that much for no reads.
I’ve had sessions with 0-1 no-reads but I also haven’t had it that long so I’ll keep experimenting.
I’m a nerd enough to have looked at a lot of that data. Pretty impressive how close things are. My summary would be that there is very little in it. The big exception being club speed being consistently slow on sktrak vs the gcquad. This resulted in higher smash factors as ball speed was always very close each time. As a radar+cam system in the skytrak for that measurement you would have to wonder which is more accurate but at least both are consistent. Carry distance was the other thing varying, mostly with driver but both are calculated values obviously. Might check if altitude, wind, or some other setting could be at play as ball speed, launch and spin were all pretty matched on those shots. I will say, that second driver where skytrak showed right of target push while gcquad drew it back left of target; both agreed path was right, face to path even further right, and face to target right. That’s not something thats usually going to produce side spin for a draw so I’m questioning the quad there tbh. Data suggests skytrak probably had that flight path correct. Great work on this video as it clearly wasn’t easy. After using both for over a year what’s your gut say about skytrak accuracy?
Overall the ST+ is clearly inferior hardware and the club data especially seems to be calculated (instead of measured) BUT it seems to do very well despite those things. The biggest drawbacks to me are that I'm always shorter with driver and the occasional missed shots are annoying.
Great Video! I have a ST+ for a week now. I cannot swing Driver in my garage ... so I have not tried the driver. For everything else, I almost never get any no reads. I feel it is very accurate for all shots (irons and hybrids). However I experimented with some 5 yards chip shots and it had a lot of no reads, just like it did on the video. 10yards, 20 yearsd no issue. Just the very short chips.
The short chips will only matter if you’re playing sim golf which hopefully it will work with GSPro soon.
Way to hang in there!
lol. Gotta finish the video!
You can prob move the skytrak back to give the quad some room. I can place the ball well in front of the laser and still register the shots. Great video btw!
You know when I was just messing around with Skytrak+ by itself I tried the ball about 1 ball out in each direction of the laser and they all registered. I just wanted to place the ball on the dot as best I could because I'm not sure how it might affect the data, it at all. Thanks!
Appreciate the video... I imagine you'd have no misreads when the two systems aren't used simultaneously. Love the comparison though!
Some other UA-camrs say that if you use a Taylor Made TP5 (or TP5x) Pix ball then the graphics on it help the data pickup even better. Wonder if you have experienced that?
That's a thought. I don't have any but if I grab some I'll try it out. Thanks!
What’s consensus on the club data with ST+? I worry that inaccurate club data is worse than no data, especially for someone using this to work on their swing…
I certainly could be wrong but I've heard the ST+ estimates (not measures) most of the club data.
How are club and face angle comparisons?
Good question. I haven't really done this and paid attention to the club data. It's rumored the SKYTRAK data is mostly all estimated (rather than measured) so might be interesting to see if they are far off.
The ball for Skytrak should favor the right side or dot as you facing it... You basically putting Skytrak in a disadvantage by not putting ball in the best spot.
Also, with Driver and long clubs, you even want the ball to be a little more to right of red dot.
So as you’re addressing the ball, ball should be just right of the dot (with target being to the left)?
I tried placing the ball directly on the dot as that’s what the manual said but I can experiment more.
For wedges ball should be left of dot, driver right of dot, all other clubs on the dot, at least that’s what has worked for me 3 years. The skytrak read every 7 iron you hit and only with wedge and driver had no reads. Seemed like when ball flight was matching, the club data was close as well so seems good. Thanks for doing this. The OG skytrak does have its fair share of no reads so I’m hoping the plus is a little better in this area.
@@spaz2841 when it worked the data seemed really close. I got more no-reads today than before and I was trying to be really careful to place it right on the dot so maybe I shouldn’t be so careful! Lol
@@spaz2841- Skytrak+ is not the same as the old Skytrak.
Great video thanks. I just got a sky track + so I’m hoping it will be good I couldn’t justify spending any more!
When you use the Skytrak + by itself do you get any no reads?
I have gotten a few, like 1 or 2 in a session. That’s using just a few short to mid-irons. I haven’t experimented with lob wedge and driver until making this video. Not sure if launch angle too high or low is a problem or not.
Great job. Would love to see what club the readings start separating. Are 3w results same? 4iron?, 5iron etc.
Thanks, great video
Good question. I don’t practice my fairway woods as much as I should. I might try out the bag mapping feature and find out.
Is it possible the GC operating could cause interference with Skytrak's operation (missed reads, differing ball data)?
I would think so but I don’t know enough about their camera systems to have any real idea how likely that is.
Wow the Skytrak is so far out on driver. Tou might as well get a rapsodo MLM 2 Pro. I'd be intersted in seeing a Rapsodo v GC Quad or Skytrak if you have time.
I’d like to but I’m not planning on getting an MLM2 anytime soon. I still need to make a ton more videos on the launch monitors I have now. It’s hard to keep up lol
Thanks for the time spent making this video. Really appreciate it. Can’t imagine how frustrating getting this to work. Looks like some distance discrepancies between the two, but overall do you like the Skytrak+? I hate that you can’t use the Skytrak+ for swing speed training even though it has doppler radar. Really not wanting to buy a low level monitor solely for speed training.
I see you’re hitting off the SigPro Softy, has that become your mat of choice or are you rotating your two favorites?
Glad it was helpful! I do like it and was impressed that it was very close in shot shape and numbers for the most part. I’m still figuring it out though. I would think maybe they could add swing speed training in a future firmware update. To me, it’s so close in price to a Launch Pro that I would have to recommend the Launch Pro.
After a little more regular use of the player preferred I switched back to the sigpro softy and think that might be the one for me. Still haven’t officially decided I guess.
When your bouncing on that mat before each shot is moving the ball thats why skytrack not picking it up !
My club head on the mat? I’ll keep an eye on that…
Skytrak and Skytrak Plus both have two cameras (stereo 240 fps cameras)
Thanks! I could not find that anywhere…
Where did you get that information? I’ve searched the Internet and can’t find any information on the technology used.
I am hesitant to buy the SkyTrack or the Gc3, what opinion can you give me?
If you have the budget for it the GC3 is a more professional launch monitor.
Could you tell me what are the differences? now i have the old skytrak
@@sergioalanis9669 Have you seen my video comparing the Skytrak+ and Bushnell Launch Pro?
ua-cam.com/video/LZECJlY2uX4/v-deo.html
ST+ is still going to be very similar to the original skytrak you already have.
What size enclosure is this?
Its the 8'x10.5' Carl's C-Series Enclosure friendlygolfer.com/recommends/carls-place-diy-enclosures/
Thanks for doing this test. On the 5 measured parameters of ballspeed, spin, launch, launch direction and sidespin these are very close especially on the first 4 which is good as launch direction can be the parameter skytrak struggles most with. Sidespin seems to be fairly consistently 400-500 more drawspin on Quad which seems reasonably consistent and you could factor in and maybe meet in middle (on mid iron 400 SS would equate to about 6 yds further left so not massive). I tested my skytrak against quad and found too 100-200 more drawspin on quad which is obviously fine and within tolerances. Overall then pretty good
Obviously these 5 parameters get feed into the proprietry algorithm and there will be some slight diffs between the 2 because of this (most significantly quad seems to slightly inflate high launch low spin drivers which is fairly well known)
That pretty much sums it up exactly!
Get you a metronome and get some tempo bud