Star Trek, Species, Bionicle
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Michael Saltzman, Amy Dallen, and Markiea McCarty test their knowledge of bird sounds and logos.
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Having a mini game all about identifying birds without Brennan is criminal
Bold of you to assume that Brennan didn't create the question. I do know that he is a writer on many episodes.
Are you kidding me? Brennan wouldn't know birds if one bit him on the hand. He couldn't even identify a rosette spoonbill
why? he's not an ornithologist
@@TheBigE9999 to be fair, even if he had gotten it, Sam would have found some way to say he's wrong. He'd've been, like, "Actually, his name is Bob and it's reductive of you to call him by his species."
@@joshfactor1 because Brennan Lee "Bird Facts" Mulligan is a running joke because he knows more trivia about birds than one would normally expect of a person.
I'm a simple man, I simply see the word Bionicle in the thumbnail. I click and listen in the shower
A fellow person of culture I see
Same!😂
A real cultured man
Simply must be done.
We are simple men simply doing what comes naturally, like showering, pooping, and listening.
Bro Bionicle lore gets absolutely batshit crazy, you GOTTA have more
A show of hands for more Bionicle questions, everyone!
@@auntyaja ✋ agreed. Would totally like to see them try to parse together the whole Sphereus-Bara-Bota Magna situation.
Good to see saltzman on the other side of the fact checking desk
Man, I cannot wait until we get a real deep cut Bionicle question in the future. I want the people to know about the batshit things the Ignika did
give me some deep cut Toa Tuyet lore, mike!
Or Nuparu and the Boxor, or Roodaka's backstory, hell Nocturn's backstory. Those could all make fun questions
@@elyseguziewicz5702 As I recall, "deep cuts" have been a bit of an issue for Toa Tuyet.
Agreed! It’s always fun when non-fans learn about Matoro. Has Um, Actually done other Bionicle questions before this episode?
I wish they would but the attitude towards Bionicle I doubt they will and that makes me sad
The Bloodchild question is really good. The show likes to make fun of itself for being pendantic and asking meaningless questions, but knowing that Gan is a boy is important for analyzing the themes of the story. Aliens doing reproductive violence to women lends to different readings than doing it to men.
I was surprised they all struggled with that one! Incredible story, and so, so disturbing
I'm sorry if this is tonedeaf given the subject matter, but I want you to know that, on mobile, your comment is too long to be shown natively without clicking 'show more', and the cut-off point without clicking it is "knowing that Gan is a boy is important for ana...".
Aliens reproducing via humans is a real theme for Butler: Clay’s Ark, Xenogenesis/Lilith’s Brood
And it absolutly makes sense.
I mean, even spartans, that had great respect for their women, and trained them for war, would not send them in campaign, they were there to protect from invasion if needed, but males die first.
Does it? It seems equally bad to me. I don't see one gender as being more tragic than the other.
You miss the other part of the Bionicle Lore, there are three types of citizens in that world. The Toa are the protectors, Matoran are the citizens, and the Turaga former Toa who become the wise elder mentors and leaders to the Toa and Matoran.
Makin' Mata Nui proud, my friend
@@zigorously I had so many Bionicles when I was younger, watched all the movies... and even played the crap out of that one official web flash game...
I knew the answer to the question in the show (I didn't remember stone was one of them, but I knew there were more tribes with their own elements, and ice was one of them not mentioned), but I still did not know the Turaga were former Toa (though maybe that was just a detail I have forgotten?)
Also the umpteen other species that populate the Matoran Universe but definitely aren't the universe's equivalent of a chosen people.
Which is probably weird to know the chosen people definitely are chosen and you're not one because you happened to be made as a Skakdi or a Vortixx. But maybe the theology is less weird when you know the whole universe as you know it only exists because a planet needs to be fixed, I dunno.
I was thinking that the answer to this question was that light, gravity, and lightning were masks/mask powers, not members of the societal groupings of Bionicles. While Takanuva was the Toa of light, that was because he wore the mask of light and was the 7th Toa. prior to that...I belive he was a Va-matoran? (fire, for anyone unfamiliar). I know gravity was a mask power as well, I think held by one of the Toa Inika. the lightning one I am not familiar with.
@@dominickwinter7479 Um, actually, Takua was always an Av-Matoran, or Matoran of Light. All Av-Matoran are capable of appearing as other varieties of Matoran, and he was camouflaged as a Ta-Matoran (fire) for most of his life and had lost all other memories of his identity when the Metru Nui Matoran were put into stasis on Makuta Teridax's orders. Putting on the Mask of Light was the catalyst of his own transformation into Takanuva, Toa of Light (per destiny, I guess?), but it on its own isn't what makes any given Matoran into the Toa of Light. In the alternate "The Kingdom" universe, Tanma, an Av-Matoran who was disguised as a Le-Matoran in the primary timeline, actually becomes the Toa of Light after Takanuva relinquishes his power and becomes a Turaga.
Light, Darkness, and Gravity are all mask powers and groups of Matoran (with Darkness being a corruption of existing Matoran by the Makuta) - Lightning is a separate tribe, the Vo-Matoran
Glad to see that the sons of Mata Nui are still alive and well.
#Bionicle
Um, Actually, Zygons are definitively both aliens and doppelgangers. The siren, however, was a computer program and hence, not an alien. Technically, yes, Gangers are doppelgangers, but they share that role with actual aliens, and so the question was fallacious.
That was my thought as well - Day of the Doctor has Zygons as body doubles of various people in order to take control of UNIT, so I'd describe them as doppelgängers in the strict sense of the word. As for the siren - she was a computer program, but as I recall she was a medical program created by an alien race, so she's technically not from Earth, but I suppose Autons (which I believe are the doppelgängers they mentioned) can likewise be described as alien technology.
The siren is still alien tech. I get where they're going.
But yeah the Zygons have the ability to shape-shift and therefore, while not called doppelganger in the show, its definitely a bit misleading and zygons have many more episodes than the gangers
Yes the siren was a computer program... from an alien spaceship
Zygons are mimics not doppelgangers
Can you imagine if Brennan were in Saltzman's position on that Doctor Who question!? The freakout would be *Legendary*
Yeah, Saltzman is dropping a lot of Brennan-level answers and getting nowhere near the shit for it.
"GET IN THE COMMENTS!"
And for the twilight zone one. He got it 99% correct...
Never mind the Doctor Who question... The twilight zone answer he guessed "shes in heaven and telling him to do messed up things" and apparently Trapp doesn't think trying to get the kid to commit suicide is messed up. "GET IN THE COMMENTS!"
@@celicynd yeah, I hadn't gotten that far when I commented. Brennan would have literally exploded 🤣🤣🤣
In regard to the bionicles question, it's based more so on biomes from my memory. Tundra, caves, desert, volcanoes, jungles and water biomes. Light was later added in Mask of Light, and by proxy we got toxic and darkness in Makuta and his legions of Rakshi and the inherent antagonist drones.
If the phrase “modern series” had not been specified in the Doctor Who question, there would have been an additional answer: the Minotaur appears in “The Time Monster” as a regular Earth-born man who then gets his wish for strength granted by Kronos the Chronovore.
That's what I was confused about too as I can't remember a nuwho episode with an alien minotaur so I had to look it up. It's from God Complex, rhe episode that's set in a hotel and seems more a Shining rip off than anything. I was confused as it's never in the episode referred to as a Minotaur and is in fact an alien related to the race called Nimom.
@@Noobie2k7I don’t remember anything from the episode now but I did see it on tv once and I remember enjoying it because of the ideas of fear and stuff. But in the episodes defense the alien looks pretty close to a Mynotaur
I think it's fair to separate Bionicle's Ice & Water elements (at least story wise) since the big reason it's like that is due to how the environments the characters live in are watery areas & snowy areas respectively.
Though, despite being a fan, I agree that the Stone/Earth distinction is ridiculous.
Especially since Po-Matoran & Onu-Matoran can have the same color schemes sometimes.
Just look at Hafu & Taipu.
@@oneovertwo1186 I agree
I personally would've put Air in the desert, Plantlife in the jungle and removed stone
Came for the bionicle question, and then it turns out there's a Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell question. Highly recommended that book and the mini series adaptation
If only they didn't get Jonathan Strange lore wrong.
There's an ADAPTATION!?!
@@crazysasha1374 on the BBC in Britain in 2015
I WAS CHOMPING AT THE BIT OVER THE BIONICLE QUESTION!!!
Spoiler warning for those who are just now getting into Bionicle's lore:
Ok though, while it is fair to say that separating Ice and Stone from Water and Earth feels like a semantics situation, the massive plot twist that Bionicle was leading up to does justify this.
The majority of the Bionicle storyline takes place within the Matoran Universe - which we discover later is the Great Spirit Robot. The entire known geography up until that point all resided within a giant robot - the Matoran were meant to be worker drones whose job would have been to maintain the robot. The Great Beings who created the robot originially created the elements as a way to differentiate the different tasks each group of Matoran would have to do. Fire-Matoran could work in extreme heat, such as the engines that would keep the robot flying through space. Ice Matoran could survive in the extreme cold, like the cold vacuum of space. Earth-Matoran were used to living underground and could see well in low light conditions, whereas Stone-Matoran were naturally stronger than the others.
Splitting the elements in this way was purely a matter of divvying up tasks to the worker drones. When the Matoran gained sentience down the line however, these elements became the basis for the culture of the inhabitants of the robot.
Not gonna lie being only semi into bionicle as a kid, that is an insane twist and i love it lol
Also, is it not wrong to call them cyborgs? Aren't they bio-mechanical beings, not biological beings with robot parts added?
@@jebbus132 That was my first thing I would have poked at on that question as well. I don't know if they say if there were beings before but yeah they are definitely bioengineered. So I wouldn't have guessed that was wrong with the question because it's not clear cut. But you aren't wrong they are both bio and mechanical that are born together rather then added on. Now that I think about it, the mechanics of how they are born seems like they kinda are built from pieces lying around. And it's not really clear how repopulation actually works either. Maybe I need to dive more into this lore cause there's a lot of interesting questions.
@@tentative_flora2690 Well if we go by some really old lore, a new Toa arrives at the island of Mata Nui in a large capsule that looks exactly like the ones the IRL sets came in, the cap gets blown off, all the different parts come flying out, they assemble themselves into a Toa. Now depending on what version of canon we want to fallow, Original, Movie or Extended. What I explained here is the oldest, Original which isn't really fallowed anymore since it mainly comes from the earliest Bionicle commercials. Then there is the extended and movie canons. Basically the same but some comic books that fallow extended canon retcon the movies and the movies retcon DIFFERENT things about the lore. The movies are mostly canon to Extended and Most of Extended is not canon to the movies basically. Yes it is almost as bad as Kingdom Hearts.
@@jebbus132 The canisters were apparently designed to store the toa until they were needed. And I think the plot was that they spent so long unawakened on the shores of the island that their bio part was weak and they lost a lot of their memories. So it's not really a 'birth' for them as much as a rebirth. But I was kinda referring to like how the charged protodermis can mutate the parts and they can join together as giant composite beings. It would kinda make sense that their lives are tied into the protodermis earth they are made from. And birth would be more of "unities that make sense" then actual mammalian live birth. Where as long as matanui's intention is there the being can be made or something like that. It's kinda weird because they can definitely live and change after their construction into a wide range of beings and there's even one mechanic somewhere in the lore that forces beings to split into two. So regardless, they reproduce asexually. But yeah it's a lot of lore to comb through and I am definitely inserting a ton of headcannon so a few grains of salt is needed.
I think Markeia was technically correct on the Dr. Who question since the werewolves (at least the ones in the episode with queen victoria IDK if there were others) were humans infected with an alien parasite rather than being entirely aliens IIRC.
Classic who had a werewolf like species that was actually an alien, there was one in The Greatest Show in the Galaxy serial.
The Siren was actually an AI medical program, not a true life form. Alien in nature, but not an "alien."
@@timidwolf But the question did specify the modern run of Dr Who.
Not only did Data have a brother, B4 and a daughter, Lal, he had a mother, Juliana Tainer. In the episode "Inheritance" we learn that she had initially wanted Data to be female, but that idea was washed away when she found that Dr. Soong had revealed Data's head in his own image. Also that Data had initially been quite rude and a bit of a naturist until they wrote a modesty subroutine. We also learned that she is the origin of Data's creative side.
Came here to write something similar 😊
Three of the most wholesome contestants, I'm so happy for the winner!
I physically lept to my feet and shouted in excitement when I correctly guessed "CHOAM."
Amy is always such a delight. Loved her reaction to the Strange & Norrell question, especially since I'm totally with Trapp there. It is SUCH a good book.
it's so good and the Amazon series of it is actually decent (I watched years after reading the book so can't actually remember all the details)
I honestly do love the energy Amy brings to these. I want to see both her and Erika together for something as they're both always so upbeat and smiley.
@@whoknows-uc1bzit is the BBC series Amazon just had exclusive rights to stream it in North America
fun fact about Devil’s Tower: the Lakota people of the area actually named it “Bear Lodge” because the vertical indentations seemed like a giant bear had scratched into the rock!
BIONICLE!? I've been waiting for this
Always delighted to see Amy being delightful. 😃
Ok so Saltzman was just fully correct on the Twilight Zone question
I agree entirely! He should have gotten that point!!
I've been waiting for a Bionicle question for so long!! So glad to see it finally in one!
Also happy we got the quote "Aristotle is so disappointed in the Bionicles" from this lol. I will be using this sentence frequently. Thank you Amy
I saw bionicle, and i got so hyped!!!
The Bionicle question hurt my soul, that's like about as basic a question as you can get with that
it’s so niche tho
I don't understand why Saltzman lost the point on the Twilight Zone question. He said Grandma was in heaven and asked him to do something F'ed up, I'd say making him do suicidal things is pretty f'ed up! Trapp literally used the phrase "f'ed up" to describe it!
He didn't lose the point, he didn't win it off of Markiea who had answered half-right before him.
@@Insanit13s right, but Saltzman's answer is fully correct which is why there's confusion.
@@markbrierley6367 The requirement put to him was to get it 100% correct, he did not specify that the grandmother wanted them to join her and kill themselves/encourage dangerous behavior.
@@markbrierley6367 I had to go back to watch it. I have to agree that the answer was more right, but not 100%. I would have given him the point, but unfortunately I don't have a nerdy game show about correcting people :D
I thought the same thing and immediately shifted from tv to my ipad to check comments to see if others thought the same thing. Saltzman was robbed on that one. His was the more specific answer.
Data actually has *four* android brothers, with Lore, B-4, and two other unnamed ones; *three* daughters if you count Soji and Dahj plus Lal; and one "mother" if you count Julianna Tainor.
And we don't know if that's 100% Lore in Picard Season 3 yet.
@@SayAhh Given that Geordi specifically calls him by name I think it's a good bet.
@@bjorn00000 Having seen too many MCU misdirects, it is likely but I won't hold my breath until they confirm it via the episode
@@bjorn00000 so it literally ended up not being 100% Lore.
Ugh. Well, M5-10 is probably a weird cousin in this family tree since he's the "child" of AI Soong.
Absolutely loved Saltzman as a contestant!
Um actually, the siren from Doctor Who also wasn’t an alien but a holographic AI nurse
But it was an "Alien" Holo-Nurse wasn't it?
@@smith22041 Though that is true, a hologram of a human being isn’t a human being
It’s always a good day when there’s a new Um actually episode
UM ACTUALLY it is a great day when they upload
Um, actually, surely they've uploaded on the same day as some terrible tragedy has taken place on more than one occasion. Both on a global scale and on an individual viewer level.
The guests on this one just vibe so well.
I saw bionicle in the thumbnail and I am now very excited for this episode
"From Gorn to Zorn, nerds like a lot of things, but there's something they love above all else, and that is porn." My brain's pattern recognition feature's on the fritz.
hey, mike and crew! i've just stumbled upon your show and it really swept me over. i can't stop watching it. every single episode feels like having the best time with friends. i don't know where the channel is now but i hope the show continues and that everyone that works there (guests and family, also) just have a great life. thanks!
This was such a delight to watch, and also felt like one of the harder ones yet!
I also wish that The Expanse was an answer more often. Like, to anything, I love that series.
I may be thinking of a different, similar episode, but: Um Actually, the siren in Doctor Who wasn't an alien, it was a computer AI that was built into an alien ship's medical bay.
This is basically accurate, but maybe bc it was an A.I. created by aliens, it was considered alien? Idk.
No, you're right. The siren is just a medical AI
In fact the medical AI siren even looking the way it did was for the benefit of the species it was trying to treat. If it had crashed on some other planet with some of those strange-looking creature it would have chosen a form similar to them
Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there an episode where the weird octopus aliens became Clara's doppelganger and threatened to end the world by pressing a button leading to capaldi giving that incredible speech??
@@astra1627 I'd say the Zygons are shapeshifters and not doppelgangers, which weren't mentioned in the question. Typically doppelgangers can't change their form once set and take over the lives of the original.
I've been waiting for a Bionicle/Lego episode for such a long time.
Always a good day when there's a new sode of Um, Actually
There was also a bbc series for jonathan strange and mr norrell that was really good. Honestly haven't read the book yet but fell in love with the series, especially in its ability to depict the fae as a true horror villain in their sheer lack of empathy for their actions.
The series is surprisingly accurate to the book. I'm on my third listen through the audiobook. Part of the success of The Gentleman with the Thistledown Hair is the actor, Marc Warren. I've seen him play a villain in Hogfather, a TV movie from Terry Pratchett's Discworld series, and one Doctor Who episode "Love & Monsters".
This Bionicle question made me cry…
Um, Actually, in Mass Effect Andromeda it is revealed that this was meant as a one-way trip as the benefactor reveals quite early on in the story that something will happen to the Milky way meaning there is no return and that the Milky-Way denizens in the Andromeda galaxy are meant to be the last remnants of the Milky-Way. Even though they originally plan a route back, it is revealed that they never intended to provide a route back so the first answer to that question was technically right.
love Amy and her comic book knowledge, also WicDiv is amazing
Also you can make a case for a lot of the things said in that WicDiv statement as being wrong (although they did cover themselves by using the word god-like, so my argument with that part of the statement can be covered). And that's another reason why WicDiv is amazing.
They need a game that's all fan questions. Pedantic would be an understatement.
Lol B-4 appearing in Picard was a shot of his dismembered parts in a drawer
This was SUCH a great episode!
The only thing I knew for a fact was the Bionicle question and I knew it the second he said it.
I was watching this just for the Bionicle question. And it was so easy, then again I memorized the first Toa mata. But I didn't expect that all of my other guesses would be wrong besides two from media I don't know at all. So I would have also been at 3.
This was an amazing episode!
Been watching a long time, and I feel like it's all been worth it to see the final result of this episode.
Yelling at my screen during the Wicked + Divine question! Loved that comic!
Amazing as always.
Subbed to dropouttv just to listen to every episode of this while driving
Frankly, I DO love the ending. Well done!
Great episode!
Man, I only got Fallout in that Branding question. That was BRUTAL.
I did genuinely like this ending. Very cute!
Yay! I adore all of those contestants so much!
I would love a star trek themed episode. Since so many guests don't know their Trek, having an episode based on it would be fun
This is a great outcome! Congratulations, challengers!
Well Trapp as much as it seems like everything on your show revolved around Avatar The Last Airbender, Bionicle predates it by about 4 years from its official airing so sometimes Ice and Stone get to be elements.
I call the giving of something like the first issue of a series “the gift that keeps on taking”
I really liked all the contestants on this, so I'm really happy they all won :)
Yes! Amy is back! Love the other guests too!
OMG finally a bionicle question!!! Some time ago I watched a full 9 hour video on bionicle lore lmao
The few questions I actually know includes the Mass Effect Q which made me super happy. Good Q and good ep!
So proud I got the Bloodchild one right, just bought my own copy of the 2005 edition a few weeks ago because I loved some of the newer short stories when I read it from the library!
Brilliant finish!
Yay! It's the last remote episode! Next one should be Um Actually Smackdown, the first one back in the studio. Unless there is an episode out of order for some reason.
Thanks for the heads up!
You'll be happy to know I immediately put Jonathan Strange on hold at my library while watching this, and added The Wicked and the Divine to my TBR.
I dont know if its the best book to get in a library lol, unless you are a incredibly fast reader youll have to renew it a lot, bot its so worth it
I love Markeia's long descriptive non answers.
I super enjoyed this episode! It was great. 😂
I clicked on this so hard when I saw Bionicle in the thumbnail! There's so much great lore and really defined a particular age group!
Um, actually Data also had a mother Juliana Tainer. Ep. 10 Season 7. Titled Inheritance. She's found to be an android but I believe she had no idea and had a full memory of being his mother. So, I guess you could take that away from her and all... but I don't think I'D be that heartless. 😁
When I saw Bionicle in the title of the video I knew I would know whatever the statement was. I at least got the one point.
this is the last episode in the youtube playlist (or is there more?) and i couldn't be happier that it includes amy once again! ^^
I loved this group!! 😂❤
Need an episode where The Expanse is every answer. Even the real life one.
The best part is hearing um actually every 10 seconds.
Bionicles kicked ass! I always wished they did more with it.
Hooray ties!
Really cool to see Amy return, she makes me giggle
You are right about Strange & Norell. That is a wonderful book!
Um, actually, Doctor Who had alien doppelgangers, too.
The tie was legendary ! I was cheering for Saltzman to guess that last one correctly but I didn't really think he would do it lmao
Great guests
I like that this was longer
um actually, the Bionicle people aren't cyborgs. As cyborgs were origanlly fully biological and later add mechanical parts to restore or enhance biological functions
The beings in Bionicle are completly bio-mechanicly from the beginning, they were never fully biological
(there are some fully biological intelligent beings that are revealed later, but those are in a very small minority)
Was obsessed with Bionicle as a kid!
Seeing lightning show up in the bionicle question brings back nostalgia for a certain purple fella
Sure would be nice to see some of these new seasons..
Y’all need to do an entire episode about books with terrifying fan bases, like ACOTAR, fourth wing, Harry Potter, etc
BIONICLE IN UM ACTUALLY!
MY DAY HAS BEEN BRIGHTENED!
I love saltzman episodes
I would not know ANY of the logos, man. That was brutal.
I love all the new book suggestions. I’ve already ordered Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell after watching this 💚
Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell is the first book that made me ugly cry with joy at the ending because of that brief moment of hard-earned bittersweet happiness.
If I were a contestant on this episode, for the second logo on the Brand shiny question, I would have answered, "I don't know what this is, but I'm going to say Fallout: New Vegas because that looks like the roulette wheel from the loading screen", because that's the first thing I thought when I saw the image, and it's insane that answer would have actually resulted in me winning the point for the shiny question.
Also, I was today years old when I realized that the roulette wheel on the Fallout: New Vegas loading screen was also the Vault-Tec logo.
On the subject of Bionicle using a bunch of Mauri words, a much more common version of the same problem is Mana. The word has it's origin in polynesian languages and was popularized in the west until eventually being used in fantasy by Larry Niven, but it at its core comes from being stolen wholesale from other cultures.
Oh, interesting!
Another particularly bad example I found out recently is Rarohenga in Suikoden Tierkreis. It's said to be another world for Hell, and is this horrifying, twisted place.
A quick Wikipedia research tells me this is pretty wrong, and probably really offensive.
Do you mean 'mana' like magical power? I thought that was a biblical reference "mana from heaven" referring to the, food that helped the Israelites?
I know right? I get so PISSED in every isekai where they just throw together random parts of eruopean culture, leik, EXCUSE ME HELLO german architertxure in houses did Not exist with a friggin coloseum.....down right racist BS like how can you cherry pick aspects of culters to build a phantasy world?? SO sick of appropreation.
IF you build a world, use alll of the source material and NEVER combine them! Show some respect.
Various spellings of the term mana show up universally in almost every language that developed on the edge of the Indian ocean. It's too common to be something that can be misappropriated... and if you think using words can be cultural appropriation at all, you're not well read enough on the topic to have a voice in the conversation.
@@USBYDProductions I see no issue with taking inspiration from different parts of the world around us and mixing cultures and stories from all over to create something new - thats how we've become a global civilization today, and there's historically always been a far bigger issue whenever a group or power have tried to do the exact opposite and keep different cultures and people from mixing.
Clearly you feel very differently about it, but if it weren't for some form of appropriation and/or cross-polination of resources and teachings between different cultures throughout human history, none of your favourite foods, music, artworks, stories, or inventions you use every day like the internet, plumbing or means of transport... would exist at all. We're conversing in English right now - a hodgepodge of a language made up of words appropriated, or outright taken wholesale from at least 350 other languages.
If you're pulling from other existing cultures than your own for a *creative work*, as long as what you're taking is taken out of a love for and appreciation of that culture, with respect for the traditions and beliefs and without misrepresenting them or the people they belong to, then what's the harm? it's when something is used without that respect, to misrepresent a people or their culture that is the issue - for example: basing an evil fantasy goblin race and culture off of Jewish stereotypes = bad.
I've honestly wanted to have a 3-way tie for a long time, and am very happy to have had one. Everyone wins!!