This is why MB is the man! One of my local shops that has been around long before I was into car Audio at a teenager has told me that they will not install an epicenter even though they are an audiocontrol dealer. The reason why they that it does nothing but blowup subs. Now being knowledgeable about audio as I am I don’t believe a reputable company like audiocontrol would put this out if it really did this. I think it had more to do with customers not knowing what they can and can’t do with it. Jmo
@@beyondthedetails not true you just don't have it set up right even on like say hip hop some songs that don't already have 30hz to 40hz it will add the low bass in and it will hit 100% harder than someone not using a epicenter (a lot are missing it that's why there are so many rebassed versions of hiphop songs on here)
I’ve had my Epicenter for over 25 years and this video helped me discover i can change my bass frequencies lower by changing out the Octave PFM module. You da man! Love your videos!
I been debating on if i wanna add a epicenter to my system. Jus had reputable audio shops say there not needed if you listen to nothin but rap/hiphop. MB does a good job of explaining how to use them and get the most out of them. Plus you can always turn the epicenter off or to normally listening effects when needed
Most rap and hip hop you won’t need it. However for some of the old school stuff , rock , metal or country it will work wonders on certain songs. You will be able to use or EQ to get the sound you want for a lot of songs but this does help with the songs where a manual EQ adjustment just doesn’t do it . I definitely think it’s worth having one just in case you can’t get the lows you’re looking for in some songs. I don’t use mine a lot but it’s nice to have it when you need it .
U can never turn it off even if the dial is all the way to the left it will always be giving a slight effect. The only way to actually bypass it is to install am rca bypass switch
They lying to you here in Texas we all use them and bang nothing but rap and R&B you just gotta know how to adjust everything for the best sound possible
I'm really thinking about that Wavtech unit. It's adjustable subsonic/infrasonic/PFM makes more sense as I can fine tune the roll off point to match my system or just to match my mood. Good for experimenting with compared to buying and swapping chips out. 👍
I was looking at that wavetech bassrestor myself. Jus was getting shyed away from it cuse wiredkustoms told me if you listen to mainly rap or hip hop you don't need it. But MB does a good job of really explaining them an showing how to set them up. Plus with you can turn it off when you don't really wanna use it or need it
@@johnnypiper1717 Yes, it's not going to be very helpful on music that already has strong low bass. It tends to work best on music that's weak as far as low bass is concerned.
I run a 15Hz - 18dB/Octave PFM in my Epicenter & run my amplifier's Infrasonic Filter set to off. I use my Epicenter for every type of music even rebassed music down to 18Hz & lower, so I need a 15Hz PFM so it does not cut those frequencies.
I have a epicenter with a 15hz chip and this thing is amazing it plays all music good even music with alot of bass ,the thing is most people think they like lows but they don't
@@squadboitv6284 Doing what exactly? Are you talkin about changing the chip? First of all you may not even need to change the chip. Second of all you could get a different model such as the Wavtech which has a knob that lets you adjust the filter frequency.
It nothing’s to it to change the pmf chip or the power inputs /& balance or unbalance just look at it before you do anything. I have three chips to find out what I like best.
You may not like how it sounding with that 33hz chip. It is going to roll off alot of output around and under your 33hz port tuning. You will have to tune the enclosure around 38hz for it to sound good if you want to use the factory chip.
Hey MBE I got a question on this topic, I listen to 80’s music from time to time. I also have Apple Music, would I still need an epicentre seeing that most files are Lossless/Dolby Atmos. The more direct question is, are the harmonics already restored by apple ?
Yes, Lossless Audio is the best audio option available but the problem is the frequencies the Epicenter add's back to the music was never present in the studio recording to begin with. That is why an Epicenter would be very helpful to add bass frequencies that were never there to the music you like to listen too.
You don't "need" it, but you might "want" it. The quality of the music or if it's from Apple has nothing to do with anything. Its the recording engineer that put the music together to be released on the album that usually rolls off the low bass to prevent speakers from rattling or being damaged. Apple does not do anything to the music. Its just a service to sell it.
Epicenter generally works best for 80s music, 90s, pop, country, rock, even a lot of edm, etc. I find though it can be hit or miss on some songs no mattet what the genre. Sometimes it sounds hard hitting and clean and other times it sounds like trash and produces a wavy type bass
I'm a bit confused So you're saying the PFM chip changes the frequency range of the sweep knob? I always thought it was a highpass infrasonic filter to supplement the subsonic filter on your amp so you don't over load your subs and bottom them out at frequencies below port tuning
I thought the same thing. But there's no information to justify. Been searching over a year and still confused. I have a 15L7 qclass which plays down to 18hz. With my 20 hz pfm it plays the lowz very well.
I thought the same thing, the pfm in the epicenter filters frequency below chip. It works similarly to the ultrasonic filter on amp. Which protects the speaker to a certain point not completely therefore still a chance you can blow your speaker if you clip your amp. But there's no information to justify. Been searching over a year and still confused. I have a 15L7 qclass with the ability to play down to 18hz. With my 20 hz pfm it plays the lowz very well.
My epi stopped working. All the lights are on . But when I by urn the epi bass knob. No bass ... And yes it was working fine for 5 years . I wonder if I have to replace the chip . Any input would help . Thanks
As soon as you open an Epicenter, you realize how old it is and that they've never changed or updated/upgraded anything over the years. That PCB is so large for so little components on it. Audio control can easily rid the PCB of that excess open space and shrink the overall footprint of it by more than half. This is a prime example of when someone says that they are overpriced. The components haven't changed since the 90s. Still using the same old tech that costs them peanuts to make and they aren't making an effort to improve anything at all and they still charging you a lot for it. I get people can buy what they want and that people can see the value in it, but come on. You still can overpay for something. More expensive doesnt always equal more quality. Benz and BMW are expensive, but they don't last long without emptying your wallet over pointless repairs that wouldn't ever happen on a Lexus.
They made an in dash model as well as the Micro which is tiny. The fact the mostly original model is still selling should tell you just how good it is.
This is why MB is the man! One of my local shops that has been around long before I was into car Audio at a teenager has told me that they will not install an epicenter even though they are an audiocontrol dealer. The reason why they that it does nothing but blowup subs. Now being knowledgeable about audio as I am I don’t believe a reputable company like audiocontrol would put this out if it really did this. I think it had more to do with customers not knowing what they can and can’t do with it. Jmo
Epicenter is trash in 2023. UNLESS you listen to a ton of old school music.
@@beyondthedetails not true you just don't have it set up right even on like say hip hop some songs that don't already have 30hz to 40hz it will add the low bass in and it will hit 100% harder than someone not using a epicenter (a lot are missing it that's why there are so many rebassed versions of hiphop songs on here)
@@enliten3991 lol O.K
I’ve had my Epicenter for over 25 years and this video helped me discover i can change my bass frequencies lower by changing out the Octave PFM module. You da man! Love your videos!
Where do you buy the PFM module
Can you do a video showing how to set your headunit to feed the epicenter plz
Does the Mexico edition have it already or is it just a color change ?
I need one of these chip for my matrix plus.i can't find them
Balanced or unbalanced? Do i change it or leave it the way it was shipped?
I been debating on if i wanna add a epicenter to my system. Jus had reputable audio shops say there not needed if you listen to nothin but rap/hiphop. MB does a good job of explaining how to use them and get the most out of them. Plus you can always turn the epicenter off or to normally listening effects when needed
Most rap and hip hop you won’t need it. However for some of the old school stuff , rock , metal or country it will work wonders on certain songs. You will be able to use or EQ to get the sound you want for a lot of songs but this does help with the songs where a manual EQ adjustment just doesn’t do it . I definitely think it’s worth having one just in case you can’t get the lows you’re looking for in some songs. I don’t use mine a lot but it’s nice to have it when you need it .
@Michael Ford yeah I like late 90s early 2000 rap/hip-hop. Good thing is you can always have it and not use it when you don't need it
U can never turn it off even if the dial is all the way to the left it will always be giving a slight effect. The only way to actually bypass it is to install am rca bypass switch
They lying to you here in Texas we all use them and bang nothing but rap and R&B you just gotta know how to adjust everything for the best sound possible
@NoLiesToldTV lol yeah might get one, shop that was saying that it's not needed for rap is in Texas too lol
man i didnt even catch the stream hell yea mbe i appreciste this
Can the chip go bad in them ?
I'm really thinking about that Wavtech unit. It's adjustable subsonic/infrasonic/PFM makes more sense as I can fine tune the roll off point to match my system or just to match my mood. Good for experimenting with compared to buying and swapping chips out. 👍
I was looking at that wavetech bassrestor myself. Jus was getting shyed away from it cuse wiredkustoms told me if you listen to mainly rap or hip hop you don't need it. But MB does a good job of really explaining them an showing how to set them up. Plus with you can turn it off when you don't really wanna use it or need it
@@johnnypiper1717 Yes, it's not going to be very helpful on music that already has strong low bass. It tends to work best on music that's weak as far as low bass is concerned.
I run a 15Hz - 18dB/Octave PFM in my Epicenter & run my amplifier's Infrasonic Filter set to off. I use my Epicenter for every type of music even rebassed music down to 18Hz & lower, so I need a 15Hz PFM so it does not cut those frequencies.
@@DTW-bx2vy Cool. Most people say that it can distort pretty badly and sound muddy trying to use the epicenter effect with rebassed music.
I have a epicenter with a 15hz chip and this thing is amazing it plays all music good even music with alot of bass ,the thing is most people think they like lows but they don't
This video got by me some how!! If I get one I might have to ship it to you and ship it back lol
Why would you need to ship it to somebody?
@@JasonWW2000 cause I’m not doing it!
@@squadboitv6284 Doing what exactly?
Are you talkin about changing the chip? First of all you may not even need to change the chip. Second of all you could get a different model such as the Wavtech which has a knob that lets you adjust the filter frequency.
It nothing’s to it to change the pmf chip or the power inputs /& balance or unbalance just look at it before you do anything. I have three chips to find out what I like best.
You may not like how it sounding with that 33hz chip. It is going to roll off alot of output around and under your 33hz port tuning. You will have to tune the enclosure around 38hz for it to sound good if you want to use the factory chip.
yea but he running 8s
Well 28hz pfm chip might be the best for his setup.
I run a 20hz pfm
@@M.B.Enclosures When you use the 33hz pfm chip how did it sound?
Hey MBE I got a question on this topic, I listen to 80’s music from time to time. I also have Apple Music, would I still need an epicentre seeing that most files are Lossless/Dolby Atmos. The more direct question is, are the harmonics already restored by apple ?
Yes, Lossless Audio is the best audio option available but the problem is the frequencies the Epicenter add's back to the music was never present in the studio recording to begin with. That is why an Epicenter would be very helpful to add bass frequencies that were never there to the music you like to listen too.
It gives you the music the way it was when made in the studio ! It works magic for 80s-99 songs
You don't "need" it, but you might "want" it. The quality of the music or if it's from Apple has nothing to do with anything. Its the recording engineer that put the music together to be released on the album that usually rolls off the low bass to prevent speakers from rattling or being damaged. Apple does not do anything to the music. Its just a service to sell it.
Do your homework it does matter the platform you get your music from but I do agree epicenter will help
Epicenter generally works best for 80s music, 90s, pop, country, rock, even a lot of edm, etc. I find though it can be hit or miss on some songs no mattet what the genre. Sometimes it sounds hard hitting and clean and other times it sounds like trash and produces a wavy type bass
I'm a bit confused So you're saying the PFM chip changes the frequency range of the sweep knob? I always thought it was a highpass infrasonic filter to supplement the subsonic filter on your amp so you don't over load your subs and bottom them out at frequencies below port tuning
Epicenter doesn't protect speakers that's your amp subsonic . It even says on the owners manual if you go really low you can damage your speakers .
I thought the same thing. But there's no information to justify. Been searching over a year and still confused. I have a 15L7 qclass which plays down to 18hz. With my 20 hz pfm it plays the lowz very well.
I thought the same thing, the pfm in the epicenter filters frequency below chip. It works similarly to the ultrasonic filter on amp. Which protects the speaker to a certain point not completely therefore still a chance you can blow your speaker if you clip your amp. But there's no information to justify. Been searching over a year and still confused. I have a 15L7 qclass with the ability to play down to 18hz. With my 20 hz pfm it plays the lowz very well.
@@darealbraincool
My epi stopped working. All the lights are on . But when I by urn the epi bass knob. No bass ... And yes it was working fine for 5 years . I wonder if I have to replace the chip . Any input would help . Thanks
You blew the internal fuse.
@@M.B.Enclosures thank you for for the reply. is that a part that can be changed . Or do i have to get a new one Thanks .
@@M.B.Enclosuresi want to buy one of these chips.where can i buy one?
Can i set my epicenter to recreate higher frequency like mid 40s?
Yes
As soon as you open an Epicenter, you realize how old it is and that they've never changed or updated/upgraded anything over the years. That PCB is so large for so little components on it. Audio control can easily rid the PCB of that excess open space and shrink the overall footprint of it by more than half.
This is a prime example of when someone says that they are overpriced. The components haven't changed since the 90s. Still using the same old tech that costs them peanuts to make and they aren't making an effort to improve anything at all and they still charging you a lot for it.
I get people can buy what they want and that people can see the value in it, but come on. You still can overpay for something. More expensive doesnt always equal more quality. Benz and BMW are expensive, but they don't last long without emptying your wallet over pointless repairs that wouldn't ever happen on a Lexus.
Huh sir there is a new one…you late here.
They made an in dash model as well as the Micro which is tiny. The fact the mostly original model is still selling should tell you just how good it is.
There’s a epicenter micro if you haven’t seen it already
Can i change it on an indash epicenter w/ spl merer???
No u cant its permanently set to 33hz
@@akuma4u unfortunately I figured it out and got the regular epicenter and a 20hz chip for it. Thanks for answering