Yes, this ws indeed the highlight of our season. As horrible as 2008 was, this 27-25 win voer Wisky was one of the top 5 games I've ever seen. What a great comeback!!! Go Blue!
To this day I don't think I've heard a louder crowd than when John Thompson took that pick to the house. And I was at the night game vs Notre Dame. That's saying something.
One of the first games I went to as a kid and I remember at halftime everyone in the stadium was deflated and debating going home. That second half was electric and gave me one of the best experiences I’ve had in that stadium.
This is the one highlight reel where you might need the opponent's scores to really put the game into perspective. Either way, another great piece - thanks again!
I was so mad that game I almost left at half and I never leave games at half. I ended up staying, remembering games like 2004 MSU and 2005 PSU and look what happened Michigan wins. That is why I never leave games early
Absolutely amazing! One first down, 28 yards rushing, minus 7 passing in the first half. When we finally scored, I was just glad that Michigan wouldn't be shut out for the first time since 1984. Then...the floodgates opened! It was a game I'll never forget. I've never heard the stadium so loud. Shame on all of you who walked out booing at halftime. This was Rodriguez's coming-out party! Michigan has sent notice that we will be a factor in the Big 10 race. LET'S GO BLUE!
you know what.... just watching the formation and the some of the plays makes me hella excited for this year... just remember this - when we beat wisconson EVERY michigan fan felt like the team could really be strong. Don't get me wrong - they failed pretty miserably after that .... but if michigan even HAD the ability to play like that last year, just imagine what they'll do this year being stronger at EVERY single position on offense. EVERY one.
ys, our o-line got a little better as the season advanced. However, it still shoouldn't have been so horrible most of the season like it was. We lost 4 of 5 starters on the o-line gonig into the 2001 season, and the new guys that stepped in (Demetrius Solomon at LT, Dave Petruzillo at LG, Kurt Anderson at C, and Tony pape at RT, plus returnnig strter Jonathan Goodwin at RG) all formed a very servicable o-line. Andy moeller coached those guys up well in 01. frey faield to so in 2008
The highlight of our season and I was there at least. Too bad we were only a point better than Cal Poly in retrospect. haha. We're going to be so kick ass in 2010.
I don't know my friend. O'Neill is a 4 star prospect, was rated as one of the top 5 tackles in the country, and is 6'7, 295. I think O'Neill will be ion the mix for the starting spot at left tackle next season along with Orttman, Dorrestein, and Omameh. Mealer's development was indeed slowed by his car acident a year ago. Hopefully he gets healthy and gains about 10 pounds of muscle, cause if those two things happen, he should be really good (he's 6'6 283 right now)
my friend gave me his ticket! ha! best. game. ever. almost left at half. my nipples are hard just from watching this. this was realy a special game. loudest i have ever heard in the big house, and i was there for the OSU game in 97.
...the only starting o-linemen we ahd whom you could legitimitely say was not taletned is David Molk since Molk is a 3 star redshirt freshmen who only weighs like 282 pounds (whereas orttman and mcAvoy top the scales at 295 and had experience going into 08). And Molk was thrown into the fire only when Cory Zirbel (a 4 star redshirt junior) went down with a knee injury and Moosman was moved to RG to take Zirbels place, which left Molk as our default starter at center
I knew Wisconsin was in trouble after Michigan scored their first touchdown. I don't know why I just had this feel that something bad was going to happen.
I remember being there for this game even remember being asked before u think they can win “I said well they are all the same age right an still kids in college right seems even to me i thank who ever wants it more will win “ rivalry games it’s not about the record
Well, I think we can agree on this: the o-line can only get better next season with all 5 starters returning and with a couple redhsirt freshmen who are highly regarded (O'Neill and Mealer) thrown into the mix. I also think juniors Perry Dorrestein and John Ferrara will bwe in the mix. our o-line should be better next season. But I don't know if it'll actually be good. I expect it to be just mediocre, but hell, that would be a significant upgrade from 2008. Go Blue!
disturbing trend indeed. I'm not making any crazy predictions after this game. i won't believe this is the dawn of greatness until i see it. I called an 11-2 season, and now they are headed towards a 3-9 season, so I'm cautious about what I predict. Go Blue!
Gotta love going back to this five years after the fact. Since we're doing that, how many past losses to MAC teams does Sparty have? How many years were mediocre seasons pretty much the norm in East Lansing?
Now with Omameh, the dude is pbviously a tugh, hard nosed worker. The fact he was in the mix for playing time as a true freshman despite being only a 2 star prospect shows he could be a diamond in the rough. However, the fact remains he's still a 2 star who's also really undersized at 6'4, 260. I'm not counting on omameh to be a rock on the o-line, but I'm not counting him out either. Hopefully the coaches belief in him is well-founded.
"The O-line improved tremendously from the beginning of the season to the end." It got better. I'll give Frey credit for that. But about 2007: may i remind you that the entire right side of the line was in constant flux all year due to injuries. Its doubtless that our o-line would ahve been much better in 2007 had everybody been healthy. Contrast this to 2008: MacAvoy was banged up, and Orttman had some early season issues, but otherwise, the o-line was healthy in 2008
.....but back to Frey: our only consistently decent lineman in 2008 was David Moosman, whereas in 2001, everybody was consistently decent (and sometimes consistently good) with the exception of Solomon at LT, who lost his job the enxt season and never got it back. we may ahve only averaged .1 yards per carry less then in 2007, but thats more due to the zone blocknig scheme we've been running for 3 seasons then Frey's coaching. Moeller was dealt a band hand in 2001, and he did much better
the last time Wisconsin played Ohio State at camp Randall, they won a terrific 17-10 game over unbeaten, NO.3 ranled OSU to snap the Buckeyes 19 game winning streak. i so hope Wisky works more magic this saturday at camp Randall. I can't stand Ohio State. Go Blue!
the circumstances were nearly identical: just like 2001, we lost 4 starters; just like 2001, the lone guy returning was talented but never showed it on the field; just like 2001, we lost our top TB; just like 2001, we lost our top receiver; and just like 2001, we lost our starting QB. If you think the circumstances were so different that you can't compare 2001 and 2008, explain yourself.
"and nearly all of our linemen got hurt" We had some problems at right guard when Cory Zirbel went down, and Mark orttman was a litle banged up here and there, but otherwsie, our o-line was healthy. McAvoy, Molk, Moosman, and schilling were a-okay all season, and thanks mainly to terribe coaching from greg Frey, the o-line was an abomination. Frey isn't half the o-line coach that Andy Moeeller was
Nobody expected any of our new starters to be as good as Long was. But I ahvwe a newsflash for you: Long is not the only starter on the o-line. The o-line does not depend on one man like the QB position does. There are 5 o-linemen. Not one. As a unit, the 2008 line should not have been as bad as it was. BTW, I find it funny that you talk about "thinking logically" when you expect a head coach who just led us to a 3-9 record to lead us to multiple victories. Go blue!
The fact is, Michigan returned plenty of tlaented, experienced players on BOTH offense and defense this season, so it means nothing that we lost 5 players to the NFL. The talent is there, and dickrod and his assistants (especially Scott Shafer) have utterly failed to utilize it. hence, the 3-8 record. Like i said: Dicjkrod has NO EXCUSE for us being so bad Fire dickrod Go Blue!
No. Just no. Carr left us three talented, experienced, proven tailbakcs in Carlos Brown, Brandon Minor, and Kevin Grady; two ta;etned, experienced wide receivers in Greg Mathews and Junior Hemnigway; a fantastic tight end in returning starter Carson Butler; three experienced o-linemen in Mark orttman, Tim mcAvoy, and Stephen Schilling; and 7 of 11 staretrs returned from a defense that finished 24th in the nation in total defense and 23rd in scoring defense
With barnum, again, he's incredibly undersized at 6'2, 246 pounds. So really, its unlilely he will become a gamebreaking o-linemen even if he gained 25 pounds over the course of his career. But just like with omameh, I hope for the best. And finally, with Rocko Khoury, he reminds me of David Bass cause he's got alot of upside and can play center or guard. He's got decent size (6'6, 280), but should gain some muscle and bulk up to 290. All in all, i mostly like our redshirt freshmen o-linemen
"the circumstances weren't identical and there is no way that you can compare those two and say that is a solid arguement." You have yet to prove that the circumstances make a 2001 and 2008 compariosn illegit. I just proved how the circumstances were identical (or close to it). So my argument that Frey should ahve done as good of a job as Moeller did is perfectly legit
....but yet, although Moellers circumstances in 2001 were nearly indentical to 2008, our o-line was much better in 2001 then it was in 2008. Thats coachnig right there. Moeller got the o-line to "reload" in a way. Frey did not. No maybe things will be different enxt season for our o-line, especialy with all 5 starters returning. But the initial conclusion is that Frey is not a good o-line coach at all.
" If Moeller could only get 4.0 YPC with Jake long, what makes you think he could have done that or more with this year's line?" because A, his line would ahve been much healthier in 2008 then it was in 2007, and B, because after the o-line relaoded so well in 2001, Moeller likely would ahve done the same in 2008. moeller got the o-line to play at least respectibly in 2001.Frey's o-line was garbage in 2008. Even as it got better as the season went on, it was still very bad.
Now obviously, we've had more taletned o-line....much more taletned o-lines. Our 2008 o-line was most certainly below avwerage in talent compared to most of our other o-lines down through the years. BUT, that is no excuse for our o-line playing so badly for most of the season (it got better towards the end of the season). Below average play can be accredited to the loss of 4 starters and a NO.1 overall draft pick. Horrible play can be attributed to poor coachnig on the part of Frey
"barnum is already at like 280 or 290,roster is pretty inaccurate" really? You've got a source on that? I find it hard to beleive that a player could gain that much weight that fast, but hell, maybe the roster really is innaccurate, or else Barnum is like Andre Wadsworth (who went from a 217 pound walkon to a 280 pound NO.3 overall pick). Who do you think our starters on the line will be next season? I say its Dorrestein at LT, Ferrara at LG, molk at C, Moosman at RG, and schilling at RT
The team tied for 1st in the Big XII supposed to be a superpower that wanted to play Florida got lucky against Ohio State, the Big Ten #2 (who only scored a total of 9 points against USC and PSU, the only other good teams they played). Missouri with their Temco Bowl offense that was hyped up early should have lost to Northwestern, Texas Tech lost big to Ole Miss and Oregon beat up on Okie State, the same Oregon that was taken to overtime by a 4-8 (2-6) Purdue team. The Big XII isn't much better.
"Carlos Brown barely played at all this season" Bullshit. he was fine in the first 4 games against Utah, Miamai, ND, and Wisky, but he only got 6 touches. Then he went down with a knee injury, but I question the extent of that injury as well. Look at how he came out of nowwhere against NW and rushed 23 tiems for 115 yards. I highly doubt Brown was that injured over the 5 games he missed, and its a selfe vident fact that he was fine in the firt 4 games.
The Big Ten is actually not that good of a conference, but it is much better then the Big East. northwestern is clear cut proof that the spread option offense which DickRod runs doesn't work in the Big ten. DickRod will be gone after the 2009 season, and then we can hire an in house coach like Cam Cameron or Brady hoke who will make us an 8 or 9 win team again Go Blue!
I admit: we looked like shit. I think in part we earned this victory, but in bigger part, you guys gave the game to us. Its obvious our offense is an abomination. But hopefully that spurt of 3 TD's in 12 minutes will turn into a trend. I don't udnerstand why beleima wasn't playing Beckum. He looked fine to me! Beliema coahced a very poor game BTW, PLEASE beat Ohio State this saturday!
"suggests that that Frey is a bad coach" Frey's o-line was much healthier in 2008 then Moellers was in 2007. And in the zone blocknig scheme, its not as hard to replace departed starters cause the scheme is so successful (as Michigan proved in 2006, Minnesota proved undr glen mason, and Denver has been proving for over a decade under Shanahan). Frey's o-line should ahve been at elast as good in 2008 as Moelers was in 2007. It wasn't. It wasn't enarly as good. This suggests Frey is no good
"but saying Frey did a terrible job coaching is just ridiculous and way off base." All I'm saying is thar, given the circumstances were identical, our o-line should ahve been at elast as good in 2008 as it id in 2001. But yet, our o-line in 2008 was much worse then 2001. Thats poor coachnig by Frey right there.
I disagree. the first half had to be the worst half of football ANYONE has played in the stadiums 500 game history. Although i was not bashing anyone I almost left at half, but thank god or alla or whoever that i stayed to watch the greatest game i have ever seen, ever
Comparing 2001 to 2008 is not useless. A 7 year gap is not enough to change a coach from radically good to bad. joe Paterno is as good as he's ever been, and he's been a head coach since the LBJ administration. With all due respect, using "time" as an excuse is a weak argument. Moeller was dealt just as bad of a hand in 2001 as frey was in 2008: Michigan had lost 4 starting OL (Backus, Hutchinson, Williams, and Brandt), not to mention their top TB and receiver....
"Let's hope we can keep it up against Wisconsin" I think you meant to say Northwestern. haha Go Blue! (PS: Sheridan was garbage against NW, as was Threet)
He may not ahve been 100% in those first 4 games, but 75% of Brown is better then 100% of a true freshman. You don't bench brown and give him miniscule touches just because he's not 100%. Brown was fine, and dickrod simply failed to utilzie him "BM got hurt" Again. I'm callnig bullshit. Minor was fine as well. He only got 13 carrioes in the first 6 games, and nearly every damn time he touched the ball, ahe was making big plays:
Atleast we can actually score a touchdown on pennstate, and if the BigTen is not as good as the SEC then why is michigan 8-0 in the last 8 meetings...or is it just OSU who cant beat the SEC
the 21 yard scamper against Utah, and 15 yard TD run againt Miami, the 34 yard TD run against Wisky, and the 27 yard TD catch against Toeldo. Then he finally becomes the starter in the 7th game against penn State, and he looks like a Mike Hart clone. Just klimke with Brown, Dicjkrod took the approach that if Minor isn't 100%, that means he should ride the pine. Fucking bullshit!!!! Minor was fine, and dickrod faield to utilize him
"That line really had no talent" Oh realy? Stephen Schilling was a 5 star propsect and a returnnig starter. David Mossman was a 4 star prospect and a redshirt junior. Tim McAvoy and Mark orttman were only 3 star prospects, so they weren't necesarily talented, but then again, they were both redshirt juniors and who say lots of playing time in 2007 and played well sporadically, they aren't talentless like you say (McAvoy's athltiicsm was supposed to be an ideal fit for our zone scheme).....
it's amazing isn't it first time in 31 years we've sucked. i mean we have the highest winning percentage in the history of college football spanning 100 years. i guess we've conditioned everyone to expect greatness every year that when we have on bad year we're such a joke of a program. give me a break. we're in a transition period.
no. god forbid after 31 straight winning seasons we have one bad one. it makes sense that people would jump all over us. i guess all the losing seasons that ohio state has had in history doesn't matter. i mean even tressel in his tenure had a couple mediocre seasons. michigan has had only 6 in their history spanning over 100 years. but it is ok for every other program to dip and climb back. but when we do, we're a joke of a program.
Goshdammit. Does wisconsin ahve a defense? What happened to that defense that was 5th nationally in 2006? Beilema neeeds to get his act together. Ohio State is the ebst team in the Big Ten, but c'mon, giving up a 12 play 80 yard drive anchored by a true freshmen QB is prettty pathetic. I hope you guys recover. I've got nothing against Wisky.
"Frey is arguably one of the best position coaches in the program" this might yet be true considring how shitty Michigans other position coaches are (Rod Smith, Tony Dews, Bruce Tall, Jay hopson, and especially Tony Gibson). Next to Fred Jsckson (who's a really good position coach), Frey might be the best position coach we've got. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Frey is a shitty coach. he's just not as shitty as the other guys
"Rick Leach even endorsed Rodriguez today" good for him. his faith in dickrod will be proven to be laughable, just like everyother dickrod supporter "Only the TRUE fans know what's to come" No, only the true fans are disgusted with a 3-8 season and want the ehad coach to be held accountable. "GO BLUE! IN ROD WE TRUE FANS TRUST!" we'll see what happens. I hope he turns us into a big time winner, but I doubt it Go Blue!
I said Threet sucked against NW. That doesn't eman he's sucked all season long. Good lord, all you prodickrod fans have declared Forcier or Beaver are the saviors based on their play against high school competition, and we will be double fucked as a result. Pryor is a better athlete then both, and he's just now starting to learn what you can and cannot do on this level. Our "saviors" are still kids, and prone to mistakes and poor games, jjst like Threet is doing this season
"What were people saying about Saban his first year in Alabama?" yeah right, as if dickrod is gonig to be like Nick saban. Fat chance. And besdies, there are so many coaches that have had success in year one (even coaches implementing a culture change), that dickrod has NO EXCUSE for having a losing record in year one. NONE. want me to name those coaches for you? I will: Coker, Beliema, Miles, Peterson, erickson, Mack brown, Richt, Spuerrier, Stoops, meyer, and BO SCHEMBECHLER
"Les Miles took over a team at LSU that had a Nick Sabans recruits" I don't care why he won in year one, the botom line is, he won. And ebsdies, dickrod inherited a ton of experience and talent from Carr, but he has us at 3-8. Dickrod=moron "Rich Rod took over West Virginia and turned them into a Powerhouse" so? WVU was in the Big Least. What he did at WVU doesn't eman jackshit.
"Personal attacks on people who debate with you are unnecessary, as well." the content of my debates with everybody else is by business, not yours. And as my beef with you, it was you who commented on my 1997/2003 compariosn video and said I was an idiot for wanting dickrod fired. I didn't know you existed before that comment. (BTW, for the record, I'm only a bomb thrower with Michigan fans like you who are in the tank for dickrod. I'm actually quite civilized everywhere else)
"Me stop rooting for Michigan?" Yes, because you blindly beleive dickrod is a good coach despite the fact he's led us to our worst season ever. newslash: good coaches WIN FOOTBALL GAMES "Sorry life isn't going well for you" I'm doing just fine thankyou very much. I started college just in the nick of time, cause now i don't ahve to ehar any bullshit from idiot highschool students about the wolverines. I ahven't gotten any shit from anybody on campus....thank God!!!
"The only reason "miles" had success last year is because those are Saban's Recruits" I don't care. The bottom line is there are tons of head coaches who had immediate success in year one, so nothing less should be expected from dick fraudriguez "Miles makes the stupidist calls on the field" who led LSU to three straight 11 win seasons and top 5 finishes? Who beat sweater vest head on? Who led the Tigers to a national championship? Who is a MICHIGAN man? Answer: Les Miles
dude, this is a sports video, not a political video. We know the future of the country is at stake (if Obama gets elected, we are FUCKED!), but we like to turn our minds to sports (especially football) that way we don't ahve to focus on the totalistarians in Washington that are trying to run our lives. I hope to Gos they don't take away our sports, but they probably will
now i say what? that threet was bad at times this season? Yeah, of coruse Threet had a few bad games (Miami and Michigan State). Thats obvious to anybody, even drones like you. But if you're gonig to try and tell em that Threet weas terrible all season, then you;re full of shit. threet has eanred a chance to be our starting QB next season, and I say let the ebst man in competition between him, Forcier, and beaver win the job Go blue!
Yes, this ws indeed the highlight of our season. As horrible as 2008 was, this 27-25 win voer Wisky was one of the top 5 games I've ever seen. What a great comeback!!!
Go Blue!
To this day I don't think I've heard a louder crowd than when John Thompson took that pick to the house. And I was at the night game vs Notre Dame. That's saying something.
I love how after every big play you can hear the crowd get progressivley louder. God I love our fans
In HD now? Raising the stakes a little. Thanks again for posting. Love these.
One of the first games I went to as a kid and I remember at halftime everyone in the stadium was deflated and debating going home. That second half was electric and gave me one of the best experiences I’ve had in that stadium.
i was at this game, best one i have ever been to.
This is the one highlight reel where you might need the opponent's scores to really put the game into perspective.
Either way, another great piece - thanks again!
I’ll never forget this game. I turned it off and went to my room. My dad was screaming for me to come back 😂
I was so mad that game I almost left at half and I never leave games at half. I ended up staying, remembering games like 2004 MSU and 2005 PSU and look what happened Michigan wins. That is why I never leave games early
Absolutely amazing! One first down, 28 yards rushing, minus 7 passing in the first half. When we finally scored, I was just glad that Michigan wouldn't be shut out for the first time since 1984. Then...the floodgates opened! It was a game I'll never forget. I've never heard the stadium so loud. Shame on all of you who walked out booing at halftime. This was Rodriguez's coming-out party! Michigan has sent notice that we will be a factor in the Big 10 race. LET'S GO BLUE!
Michigan is 19-5-1 against SEC teams(7-0) in the last seven
Ohio State is 7-10-2 against SEC teams(0-7) in the last seven
thank GOD we are past this
Yes and when people were talking about fire Jim Harbaugh I said uh why?
From 2003-2008 I went to 4 Michigan games
2003 - Ohio State,
2005 - Penn State
2007 - App State
2008 - Wisconsin.
All pretty good games.
Hey, I saw some first downs in there! God, it was rough last year, I am gettin so excited for this season.
I remember this game, it was a good game and as a wisconsin fan it was painful to watch the second half, at least we've won the meetings since then
you know what.... just watching the formation and the some of the plays makes me hella excited for this year...
just remember this - when we beat wisconson EVERY michigan fan felt like the team could really be strong. Don't get me wrong - they failed pretty miserably after that .... but if michigan even HAD the ability to play like that last year, just imagine what they'll do this year being stronger at EVERY single position on offense. EVERY one.
BTW, thanks for leading us to 4 straight national championships! USC (2003-2004) and Nebraska (1994-1995) have gotten nothing on us!
ys, our o-line got a little better as the season advanced. However, it still shoouldn't have been so horrible most of the season like it was. We lost 4 of 5 starters on the o-line gonig into the 2001 season, and the new guys that stepped in (Demetrius Solomon at LT, Dave Petruzillo at LG, Kurt Anderson at C, and Tony pape at RT, plus returnnig strter Jonathan Goodwin at RG) all formed a very servicable o-line. Andy moeller coached those guys up well in 01. frey faield to so in 2008
The highlight of our season and I was there at least. Too bad we were only a point better than Cal Poly in retrospect. haha. We're going to be so kick ass in 2010.
amazing game and comeback and great high quality GO BLUE!!!!
I don't know my friend. O'Neill is a 4 star prospect, was rated as one of the top 5 tackles in the country, and is 6'7, 295. I think O'Neill will be ion the mix for the starting spot at left tackle next season along with Orttman, Dorrestein, and Omameh. Mealer's development was indeed slowed by his car acident a year ago. Hopefully he gets healthy and gains about 10 pounds of muscle, cause if those two things happen, he should be really good (he's 6'6 283 right now)
my friend gave me his ticket! ha! best. game. ever. almost left at half. my nipples are hard just from watching this. this was realy a special game. loudest i have ever heard in the big house, and i was there for the OSU game in 97.
...the only starting o-linemen we ahd whom you could legitimitely say was not taletned is David Molk since Molk is a 3 star redshirt freshmen who only weighs like 282 pounds (whereas orttman and mcAvoy top the scales at 295 and had experience going into 08). And Molk was thrown into the fire only when Cory Zirbel (a 4 star redshirt junior) went down with a knee injury and Moosman was moved to RG to take Zirbels place, which left Molk as our default starter at center
I knew Wisconsin was in trouble after Michigan scored their first touchdown. I don't know why I just had this feel that something bad was going to happen.
Gotta love how this was the only point of Michigans season they could enjoy. Nice loss to Toledo and a successful 3-9 season. GOOOOO GREEEEN
Oh how the tables have turned.
I remember being there for this game even remember being asked before u think they can win “I said well they are all the same age right an still kids in college right seems even to me i thank who ever wants it more will win “ rivalry games it’s not about the record
Well, I think we can agree on this: the o-line can only get better next season with all 5 starters returning and with a couple redhsirt freshmen who are highly regarded (O'Neill and Mealer) thrown into the mix. I also think juniors Perry Dorrestein and John Ferrara will bwe in the mix. our o-line should be better next season. But I don't know if it'll actually be good. I expect it to be just mediocre, but hell, that would be a significant upgrade from 2008.
Go Blue!
disturbing trend indeed. I'm not making any crazy predictions after this game. i won't believe this is the dawn of greatness until i see it. I called an 11-2 season, and now they are headed towards a 3-9 season, so I'm cautious about what I predict.
Go Blue!
Gotta love going back to this five years after the fact. Since we're doing that, how many past losses to MAC teams does Sparty have? How many years were mediocre seasons pretty much the norm in East Lansing?
Now with Omameh, the dude is pbviously a tugh, hard nosed worker. The fact he was in the mix for playing time as a true freshman despite being only a 2 star prospect shows he could be a diamond in the rough. However, the fact remains he's still a 2 star who's also really undersized at 6'4, 260. I'm not counting on omameh to be a rock on the o-line, but I'm not counting him out either. Hopefully the coaches belief in him is well-founded.
The numbers, after the names, were for how long the touchdown was, not the actual player number.
Brad Nessler= Best announcer ever period
"The O-line improved tremendously from the beginning of the season to the end."
It got better. I'll give Frey credit for that. But about 2007: may i remind you that the entire right side of the line was in constant flux all year due to injuries. Its doubtless that our o-line would ahve been much better in 2007 had everybody been healthy. Contrast this to 2008: MacAvoy was banged up, and Orttman had some early season issues, but otherwise, the o-line was healthy in 2008
correction: as Moellers was in 2001
.....but back to Frey: our only consistently decent lineman in 2008 was David Moosman, whereas in 2001, everybody was consistently decent (and sometimes consistently good) with the exception of Solomon at LT, who lost his job the enxt season and never got it back. we may ahve only averaged .1 yards per carry less then in 2007, but thats more due to the zone blocknig scheme we've been running for 3 seasons then Frey's coaching. Moeller was dealt a band hand in 2001, and he did much better
the last time Wisconsin played Ohio State at camp Randall, they won a terrific 17-10 game over unbeaten, NO.3 ranled OSU to snap the Buckeyes 19 game winning streak. i so hope Wisky works more magic this saturday at camp Randall. I can't stand Ohio State.
Go Blue!
the circumstances were nearly identical: just like 2001, we lost 4 starters; just like 2001, the lone guy returning was talented but never showed it on the field; just like 2001, we lost our top TB; just like 2001, we lost our top receiver; and just like 2001, we lost our starting QB. If you think the circumstances were so different that you can't compare 2001 and 2008, explain yourself.
"and nearly all of our linemen got hurt"
We had some problems at right guard when Cory Zirbel went down, and Mark orttman was a litle banged up here and there, but otherwsie, our o-line was healthy. McAvoy, Molk, Moosman, and schilling were a-okay all season, and thanks mainly to terribe coaching from greg Frey, the o-line was an abomination. Frey isn't half the o-line coach that Andy Moeeller was
Nobody expected any of our new starters to be as good as Long was. But I ahvwe a newsflash for you: Long is not the only starter on the o-line. The o-line does not depend on one man like the QB position does. There are 5 o-linemen. Not one. As a unit, the 2008 line should not have been as bad as it was.
BTW, I find it funny that you talk about "thinking logically" when you expect a head coach who just led us to a 3-9 record to lead us to multiple victories.
Go blue!
The fact is, Michigan returned plenty of tlaented, experienced players on BOTH offense and defense this season, so it means nothing that we lost 5 players to the NFL. The talent is there, and dickrod and his assistants (especially Scott Shafer) have utterly failed to utilize it. hence, the 3-8 record.
Like i said: Dicjkrod has NO EXCUSE for us being so bad
Fire dickrod
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No. Just no. Carr left us three talented, experienced, proven tailbakcs in Carlos Brown, Brandon Minor, and Kevin Grady; two ta;etned, experienced wide receivers in Greg Mathews and Junior Hemnigway; a fantastic tight end in returning starter Carson Butler; three experienced o-linemen in Mark orttman, Tim mcAvoy, and Stephen Schilling; and 7 of 11 staretrs returned from a defense that finished 24th in the nation in total defense and 23rd in scoring defense
With barnum, again, he's incredibly undersized at 6'2, 246 pounds. So really, its unlilely he will become a gamebreaking o-linemen even if he gained 25 pounds over the course of his career. But just like with omameh, I hope for the best. And finally, with Rocko Khoury, he reminds me of David Bass cause he's got alot of upside and can play center or guard. He's got decent size (6'6, 280), but should gain some muscle and bulk up to 290.
All in all, i mostly like our redshirt freshmen o-linemen
turned this game off three times but couldnt stay away and then this happened lol...go blue at 3:30
Did I miss the play with the flag on the 2pt conversion for Wisc?
Don't know, but it looks like his 60 time is about 8 seconds, in full pads with the ball while being chased :)
"the circumstances weren't identical and there is no way that you can compare those two and say that is a solid arguement."
You have yet to prove that the circumstances make a 2001 and 2008 compariosn illegit. I just proved how the circumstances were identical (or close to it). So my argument that Frey should ahve done as good of a job as Moeller did is perfectly legit
....but yet, although Moellers circumstances in 2001 were nearly indentical to 2008, our o-line was much better in 2001 then it was in 2008. Thats coachnig right there. Moeller got the o-line to "reload" in a way. Frey did not. No maybe things will be different enxt season for our o-line, especialy with all 5 starters returning. But the initial conclusion is that Frey is not a good o-line coach at all.
lol, at 3:38 you can see one of the Wisconsin Band members ducking down in disappointment.
" If Moeller could only get 4.0 YPC with Jake long, what makes you think he could have done that or more with this year's line?"
because A, his line would ahve been much healthier in 2008 then it was in 2007, and B, because after the o-line relaoded so well in 2001, Moeller likely would ahve done the same in 2008. moeller got the o-line to play at least respectibly in 2001.Frey's o-line was garbage in 2008. Even as it got better as the season went on, it was still very bad.
Now obviously, we've had more taletned o-line....much more taletned o-lines. Our 2008 o-line was most certainly below avwerage in talent compared to most of our other o-lines down through the years. BUT, that is no excuse for our o-line playing so badly for most of the season (it got better towards the end of the season). Below average play can be accredited to the loss of 4 starters and a NO.1 overall draft pick. Horrible play can be attributed to poor coachnig on the part of Frey
"barnum is already at like 280 or 290,roster is pretty inaccurate"
really? You've got a source on that? I find it hard to beleive that a player could gain that much weight that fast, but hell, maybe the roster really is innaccurate, or else Barnum is like Andre Wadsworth (who went from a 217 pound walkon to a 280 pound NO.3 overall pick).
Who do you think our starters on the line will be next season? I say its Dorrestein at LT, Ferrara at LG, molk at C, Moosman at RG, and schilling at RT
Hey Mr. Yost. You're a West Virginia guy, so what do you think of RR, who's a WVU product himself?
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The team tied for 1st in the Big XII supposed to be a superpower that wanted to play Florida got lucky against Ohio State, the Big Ten #2 (who only scored a total of 9 points against USC and PSU, the only other good teams they played). Missouri with their Temco Bowl offense that was hyped up early should have lost to Northwestern, Texas Tech lost big to Ole Miss and Oregon beat up on Okie State, the same Oregon that was taken to overtime by a 4-8 (2-6) Purdue team. The Big XII isn't much better.
"Carlos Brown barely played at all this season"
Bullshit. he was fine in the first 4 games against Utah, Miamai, ND, and Wisky, but he only got 6 touches. Then he went down with a knee injury, but I question the extent of that injury as well. Look at how he came out of nowwhere against NW and rushed 23 tiems for 115 yards. I highly doubt Brown was that injured over the 5 games he missed, and its a selfe vident fact that he was fine in the firt 4 games.
it's hard to watch this as a badger fan... ouch!
Awesome video! Great job!
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The Big Ten is actually not that good of a conference, but it is much better then the Big East. northwestern is clear cut proof that the spread option offense which DickRod runs doesn't work in the Big ten. DickRod will be gone after the 2009 season, and then we can hire an in house coach like Cam Cameron or Brady hoke who will make us an 8 or 9 win team again
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I admit: we looked like shit. I think in part we earned this victory, but in bigger part, you guys gave the game to us. Its obvious our offense is an abomination. But hopefully that spurt of 3 TD's in 12 minutes will turn into a trend. I don't udnerstand why beleima wasn't playing Beckum. He looked fine to me! Beliema coahced a very poor game
BTW, PLEASE beat Ohio State this saturday!
"suggests that that Frey is a bad coach"
Frey's o-line was much healthier in 2008 then Moellers was in 2007. And in the zone blocknig scheme, its not as hard to replace departed starters cause the scheme is so successful (as Michigan proved in 2006, Minnesota proved undr glen mason, and Denver has been proving for over a decade under Shanahan). Frey's o-line should ahve been at elast as good in 2008 as Moelers was in 2007. It wasn't. It wasn't enarly as good. This suggests Frey is no good
First :P
Beautiful Video, Thank You So Much
"but saying Frey did a terrible job coaching is just ridiculous and way off base."
All I'm saying is thar, given the circumstances were identical, our o-line should ahve been at elast as good in 2008 as it id in 2001. But yet, our o-line in 2008 was much worse then 2001. Thats poor coachnig by Frey right there.
whats threet's 40
I disagree. the first half had to be the worst half of football ANYONE has played in the stadiums 500 game history. Although i was not bashing anyone I almost left at half, but thank god or alla or whoever that i stayed to watch the greatest game i have ever seen, ever
Comparing 2001 to 2008 is not useless. A 7 year gap is not enough to change a coach from radically good to bad. joe Paterno is as good as he's ever been, and he's been a head coach since the LBJ administration. With all due respect, using "time" as an excuse is a weak argument. Moeller was dealt just as bad of a hand in 2001 as frey was in 2008: Michigan had lost 4 starting OL (Backus, Hutchinson, Williams, and Brandt), not to mention their top TB and receiver....
"Let's hope we can keep it up against Wisconsin"
I think you meant to say Northwestern. haha
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(PS: Sheridan was garbage against NW, as was Threet)
Good ol parkinggod
Hmm........3 offensive TD's in less then 12 minutes of play.
Aberration or trend?
I hope its the later.
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And Minnesota
He may not ahve been 100% in those first 4 games, but 75% of Brown is better then 100% of a true freshman. You don't bench brown and give him miniscule touches just because he's not 100%. Brown was fine, and dickrod simply failed to utilzie him
"BM got hurt"
Again. I'm callnig bullshit. Minor was fine as well. He only got 13 carrioes in the first 6 games, and nearly every damn time he touched the ball, ahe was making big plays:
Atleast we can actually score a touchdown on pennstate, and if the BigTen is not as good as the SEC then why is michigan 8-0 in the last 8 meetings...or is it just OSU who cant beat the SEC
i was at this game
the 21 yard scamper against Utah, and 15 yard TD run againt Miami, the 34 yard TD run against Wisky, and the 27 yard TD catch against Toeldo. Then he finally becomes the starter in the 7th game against penn State, and he looks like a Mike Hart clone. Just klimke with Brown, Dicjkrod took the approach that if Minor isn't 100%, that means he should ride the pine. Fucking bullshit!!!! Minor was fine, and dickrod faield to utilize him
Touchdown distances.
the same QB that couldnt put in a single offensive touchdown against Purdue?
"That line really had no talent"
Oh realy? Stephen Schilling was a 5 star propsect and a returnnig starter. David Mossman was a 4 star prospect and a redshirt junior. Tim McAvoy and Mark orttman were only 3 star prospects, so they weren't necesarily talented, but then again, they were both redshirt juniors and who say lots of playing time in 2007 and played well sporadically, they aren't talentless like you say (McAvoy's athltiicsm was supposed to be an ideal fit for our zone scheme).....
it's amazing isn't it first time in 31 years we've sucked. i mean we have the highest winning percentage in the history of college football spanning 100 years. i guess we've conditioned everyone to expect greatness every year that when we have on bad year we're such a joke of a program. give me a break. we're in a transition period.
no. god forbid after 31 straight winning seasons we have one bad one. it makes sense that people would jump all over us. i guess all the losing seasons that ohio state has had in history doesn't matter. i mean even tressel in his tenure had a couple mediocre seasons. michigan has had only 6 in their history spanning over 100 years. but it is ok for every other program to dip and climb back. but when we do, we're a joke of a program.
QB is not everything. Coachnig is everything. And dickrod has led us to a SCHOOL RECORD 8 losses. He needs to be FIRED.
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if only threet was denard :(
Goshdammit. Does wisconsin ahve a defense? What happened to that defense that was 5th nationally in 2006? Beilema neeeds to get his act together. Ohio State is the ebst team in the Big Ten, but c'mon, giving up a 12 play 80 yard drive anchored by a true freshmen QB is prettty pathetic.
I hope you guys recover. I've got nothing against Wisky.
where the fuck was that game today
"Frey is arguably one of the best position coaches in the program"
this might yet be true considring how shitty Michigans other position coaches are (Rod Smith, Tony Dews, Bruce Tall, Jay hopson, and especially Tony Gibson). Next to Fred Jsckson (who's a really good position coach), Frey might be the best position coach we've got. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Frey is a shitty coach. he's just not as shitty as the other guys
"Rick Leach even endorsed Rodriguez today"
good for him. his faith in dickrod will be proven to be laughable, just like everyother dickrod supporter
"Only the TRUE fans know what's to come"
No, only the true fans are disgusted with a 3-8 season and want the ehad coach to be held accountable.
"GO BLUE! IN ROD WE TRUE FANS TRUST!"
we'll see what happens. I hope he turns us into a big time winner, but I doubt it
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ummmmm nope
michigan lost im sad
I said Threet sucked against NW. That doesn't eman he's sucked all season long. Good lord, all you prodickrod fans have declared Forcier or Beaver are the saviors based on their play against high school competition, and we will be double fucked as a result. Pryor is a better athlete then both, and he's just now starting to learn what you can and cannot do on this level. Our "saviors" are still kids, and prone to mistakes and poor games, jjst like Threet is doing this season
"What were people saying about Saban his first year in Alabama?"
yeah right, as if dickrod is gonig to be like Nick saban. Fat chance. And besdies, there are so many coaches that have had success in year one (even coaches implementing a culture change), that dickrod has NO EXCUSE for having a losing record in year one. NONE. want me to name those coaches for you? I will: Coker, Beliema, Miles, Peterson, erickson, Mack brown, Richt, Spuerrier, Stoops, meyer, and BO SCHEMBECHLER
"Les Miles took over a team at LSU that had a Nick Sabans recruits"
I don't care why he won in year one, the botom line is, he won. And ebsdies, dickrod inherited a ton of experience and talent from Carr, but he has us at 3-8. Dickrod=moron
"Rich Rod took over West Virginia and turned them into a Powerhouse"
so? WVU was in the Big Least. What he did at WVU doesn't eman jackshit.
"Personal attacks on people who debate with you are unnecessary, as well."
the content of my debates with everybody else is by business, not yours. And as my beef with you, it was you who commented on my 1997/2003 compariosn video and said I was an idiot for wanting dickrod fired. I didn't know you existed before that comment. (BTW, for the record, I'm only a bomb thrower with Michigan fans like you who are in the tank for dickrod. I'm actually quite civilized everywhere else)
"Me stop rooting for Michigan?"
Yes, because you blindly beleive dickrod is a good coach despite the fact he's led us to our worst season ever. newslash: good coaches WIN FOOTBALL GAMES
"Sorry life isn't going well for you"
I'm doing just fine thankyou very much. I started college just in the nick of time, cause now i don't ahve to ehar any bullshit from idiot highschool students about the wolverines. I ahven't gotten any shit from anybody on campus....thank God!!!
"The only reason "miles" had success last year is because those are Saban's Recruits"
I don't care. The bottom line is there are tons of head coaches who had immediate success in year one, so nothing less should be expected from dick fraudriguez
"Miles makes the stupidist calls on the field"
who led LSU to three straight 11 win seasons and top 5 finishes? Who beat sweater vest head on? Who led the Tigers to a national championship? Who is a MICHIGAN man?
Answer: Les Miles
dude, this is a sports video, not a political video. We know the future of the country is at stake (if Obama gets elected, we are FUCKED!), but we like to turn our minds to sports (especially football) that way we don't ahve to focus on the totalistarians in Washington that are trying to run our lives. I hope to Gos they don't take away our sports, but they probably will
Go put your teeth back in.
Hwo do you like dickrod now? 3-9? WHAT A JOKE!!!!
Fire dickrod
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now i say what? that threet was bad at times this season? Yeah, of coruse Threet had a few bad games (Miami and Michigan State). Thats obvious to anybody, even drones like you. But if you're gonig to try and tell em that Threet weas terrible all season, then you;re full of shit. threet has eanred a chance to be our starting QB next season, and I say let the ebst man in competition between him, Forcier, and beaver win the job
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