Breville Dual Boiler | Q & A
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
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The Breville Dual boiler is a great machine, but we're possibly looking to clear it out, in order free up some budget to bring in some new exciting machines! So in this video, I answer all your questions on the Dual boiler, and discuss which video will still be coming up with it!
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Thank you for the great content as always and for answering all our questions! Your videos have helped me a great deal in my coffee journey since I purchased the Barista Express. Can't wait for what you're replacing the Dual Boiler with!
Thanks for watching Krishna!
A really great Q And A, superbly done and very informative, thank you
The first break down on my Breville 920 was after 5800 Espresso shots. Two " O " rings on the steam boiler needed to be replaced. Cost of the repair was about $3 and I hour of my work. It was esy to fix it. Now steam valve is getting trouble but still workable.
Thanks for answering my question
I have a BBE for almost a year now. Eyeing the DB for the next upgrade. Watching this video made me think twice... I will wait for your other video on the DB. Will see if I will avail a BDB ot avail a Rocket (with PID). Thank you
Please help!
I'm wanting to upgrade but not sure how. I have a barista express. My upgrade is solely for the purpose of better tasting espresso (I also have milk drinks).
With all the talk about the grinder being so important, I'm not sure if I should just get the bambino or bambino pro, and then spend more money on a grinder (looking at the Eureka specialita) or will I really benefit from going with a dual boiler too. Making back to back milk drinks is not a big issue. I generally make one or 2 lattes in the morning. And am wanting to get into more straight espresso and Americano style coffee.
(Also thinking about getting a v60 but that might be another topic)
Breville DB is actually best machine for real end users, contrary to retro style things from Lelit, Gaggia and such.
Just disassembly all machines and you will understand it all, as you are comparing 21 century machine to machines from 1960s.
On portafilters - it is no such thing like "standard 58mm" as locking ears on them are slightly different for different EU firms, some are angled even.
For Breville it is all good - you can get steel portafilter with bigger ears and just file them down to proper size, all will work.
On Ali bottomless portafilter with 2 cup basket is around $15-18 delivered if you search good.
Grinders prices are real mess, as it is not hard to put motor, two metal flat burrs, fine microadjustment and do it for less than $150.
Issue is that almost all grinders are either niche (sic!) small firms made, where they just need 200-300% margins to live, or they are pro grinders that become expensive exactly due to expensive motors and very sturdy construction (and it is still small volume product).
Great video! Do you have any experience with E61 equipped with flow control kit? I read you can achieve slayer like flow control with modding the BDB and I’m cross shopping the two. Thank you!
Im about to mod my BDB, the slayer mod works really well and makes it even more exceptional
Great, have you considered to do BDB Flow Control Mod, and reviewed it?
Excellent.
Great review, and excellent content overall!
If you were to buy a new espresso machine today, which would you choose for 2 lattes a day? I have the dual boiler and it's been great, but it's starting to have the typical leaking issues (and it's in for repair right now).
Would you choose the dual boiler, or the touch impress if you were to buy today?
Thanks so much!
If you're just making lattes each day, and want a very simple workflow, the touch impress is very hard to beat. Hands-off perfection
Hi! Great video! I will miss the dual boiler in your video LOL but I’m very happy because that means that you channel is growing up. I’m thinking about to upgrade from my gaggia classic pro with PID to the BDB. If most of my drinks are espresso or americanos, do you think that i have to upgrade or the BDB is going give the same espresso quality that my current GCP. Thanks a lot !!!
What grinder are you currently using?
The BDB will give you the POTENTIAL to make better espresso, but playing around with the pre-infusion settings, and because of it's superior temp stability, but you'll need to have the desire to play around with that. If you primarily drink just espresso / Americanos, the Dual Boiler would be a bit overkill, as you're paying a lot for the faster and simultaneous steaming.
@@LifestyleLab_ great! I'm using a niche zero grinder. So I don't know if is worth the money upgrade to DBD if I drink just Americanos and espresso most of the time
@@maurodelgadoo If your Gaggia Classic Pro is already PID equipped, I'm going to have to say probably not. What you CAN do is play around with pre-infusion and flow manipulation with the Gaggia as described in our "tips and tricks" video for that machine :)
@@LifestyleLab_ great! Thanks for answering! You always have a impartial opinion! Thanks for everything
Hello- I have an Apartmento. At 7:50 you say "the temperature stability that an E61 does offer if used CORRECTLY" The lack of temperature stability is my biggest complaint of the Apartmento. I added the digital temperature gauge to the E61 per your other video but as you also describe the overheating problem (and I also have this problem) you said it can take up to 45 seconds of flowing water thru the head to get the temp down to 200 ish range. I end up having to refill the water tank every day. Can you please explain how to use the E61 Apartmento machine "CORRECTLY". THANKS FOR ALL YOU HARD WORK ON THESE MACHINES!!
Flushing is all I’m referring to when I say “correctly” once overheated water is cleared, it is very temp stable.
With the probe you are using, keep in mind that it reads warmer than at the group by about 3-4 degrees. So don’t flush all the way until it reads 200, that will certainly waste a lot more water
Very nice review before that beauty goes!
Does the top shelf warm the cups (double V12 boilers inside 😂) or is it cold like the infuser?
Is the tray level and wide enough for a Hario scale? Maybe a Acaia Lunar? (Isn't this model tray that can be cut to fit the Lunar?)
When you say it's a 58 but not compatible with other 58 PF, at least is it compatible with any tamper or distribution tool labelled 58mm, what's the exact inside diameter?
Thanks.
The cup warmer works considerably better than the other purely thermocoil machines!
The portafilter is still compatible with standard 58mm filter baskets, so the ID will depend on what basket you put in. But you can still use 58.4mm baskets and accessories without issue
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks a lot.
Do you think you could check out the Solis Barista Perfetta to see how it compares to the Breville machines? Particularly the Bambino? Curious how it ranks.
Certainly one we want to check out!
I was thinking like using Baratza Sette 270 or Eureka Mignon Silenzio with BBE do you think you could pull better shots using those grinders over the built in one on BBE
The Sette 270wi is awesome. You can put the exact weight of your coffee and that’s a game changer. Our shots got significantly better and more consistent after we upgraded to the 270wi from the Breville.
Absolutely it will. The BBE built in grinder is not very good. The finer grind you will get from a Eureka is leagues better.
Coffee machine technician here: Great video, love it, and I agree with almost everything, but would love to add something. Don't descale your breville dual boilers/oracles. Have seen it ruin the steam boiler too many times. You may do the descale cycle but know there's a chance that your steam boiler goes, and the repair isn't cheap nor fun. Cleaning cycles, frequent water filter replacement, and using filtered water are all highly encouraged, along with an annual/biannual service, pressure and leak test.
Feel free to ask me anything breville!
What exactly happens?
As logically not descaling can lead to much worse result due to issues with heat element.
@@personalview7388 the machines descale program sometimes causes the machine to be confused after filling the boiler with descaler then draining, where the water level probes get caked with this descaler and the machine thinks it's full of water when it's actually empty, then engages the heating element and poof. It's scary how quick this happens. Search "breville no steam" or "dual boiler steam beep"
@@caffeinefix2751 Sorry, but this is very strange.
First, original DB do not even have descaling program, only updated one has. Also description is not accurate as they are not "caked", they are ok, just wet, because on normal usage you have high temperature in steam boiler and also water always go very slow via steam.
Second, as I do descaling - I remove all probes from both boilers and just fill them with descaling stuff, after this suck it up back, and fill with water (repeat 2 times). No program and no issues ever.
@@personalview7388 this is the correct way to do it. Sadly, when you do the descale cycle as per the manual, that's when the issues arise. A lot of people online complain about this cycle breaking their machines, and from my experience with customers a lot of the time, the steam boiler stops working after a descale
@@caffeinefix2751 You can try to contact someone at Breville about it. As they need to make change to descaling program, obviously. They need to ignore level probes, just drain all stuff and assume it is empty, and fill it up. Another option is to add 20-25 minute pause to make all level probes back to normal.
Hi there, how long will that take to heat up the machine for the first coffee in the morning or after work? Coz I don’t really want to wait too long for the first coffee every day. Thank you so much for your time.
Around 7 minutes for the boilers to get up to temperature
Great video, but my dual boiler heats up in just 2 mins and 33 secs until it hits 93deg (200F). Just bought it a month ago. Maybe the new boilers are much faster? My Oracle touch takes even longer: 4:40.
BDB is insanely fast! :)
Wait, must be our 230V causing this rapid heating, go Europe 😃
Hi, I just purchased a breville dual boiler
I’m having trouble dialling in my espresso
I use the smart grinder pro on finest setting but not getting a lot of pressure
So my shot is watery and sour
Any tips?
Yup!
Breville Barista Express Top Burr Adjustment
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I know it’s gone… but I want more of it. Bring it back!
I actually still have it, haha
@@LifestyleLab_ ooooooo! The BSB has epic pre-infusion! Maybe a recipe where you make coffee just from pre-infusion?
Out of the barista pro or dual boiler which would make the best cappuccino (extra foam)
As In best steam power?
They are actually very very similar in that aspect. Speed and texturing. But the Dual boiler is still a much quicker process because you can brew AND steam at the same time
Where do you find the different colors?
Somebody can tell me which pump power pressure setting is the best and why? and what about the pre infusion ? how long do u use it ?
There is no “best” setting. It depends on the coffee you’re using, and your personal preferences
In regards to a grinder that would give you great espresso, would you consider the fellow opus one of those?
I bought the fellow before I decided to buy a BDB, so now I'm wondering if I need to make the jump from a fellow opus to one of the higher end grinders you mentioned.
I don't have my hands on the machine yet, so I can't actually judge that the fellow isn't good enough for great espresso with the dual boiler
The OPUS is a perfectly capable grinder. I’d say start there, and learn the ins and outs. Chances are you’ll be very happy with that combo and never look back 👍
Thank you for the great content. I just bought a dual boiler based on your videos! There’s some weird smell/taste coming from the steam wand like a burnt plastic or rubber/metallic - is this normal for a new machine or I should contact support?
Give it a few good flushes through the wand and group head, as well as a few days for things to break-in
But no, after running enough water through there shouldn't be any smells
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for replying so quickly! Was not expecting it! Group head and hot water spout seem fine, I’ve tasted the water too and tastes fine, just seems to be the steam wand. I’ve flushed it a couple times too. Probably worth asking for a replacement no?
I can't think of what would be causing that on the steam arm itself other than if there was some kind of packing plastic that wasn't taken off... worth an email to the company. They're quite responsive
@@LifestyleLab_ I’ll double check everything but can’t see anything obvious and if not will contact support. Thanks, really appreciate the responses! Keep up the great content!
I just watched another guy on you tube explaining the same plastic taste coming from his steam wand. That’s enough for me not to purchase it.
Have you ever tried a Lelit Elizabeth? What's your opinion of getting one versus the other?
Watch our comparison between the Rocket Appartamento and Dual Boiler. Pros and cons will be very similar :)
Does the breville touch or pro have preinfusion settings options?
Not programmable ones, but you can control pre-infusion in the manual mode on the Pro by pressing and holding the shot button, and releasing when you want to ramp to full pressure
Do you know where I can buy one of these in black? I only see it online in silver. Thanks
Depends on your region, direct from Sage / Breville should be your best bet at seeing all available color options
Hi just a question regarding the bdb. I know the brew boiler is only 300ml but do you feel this is an acceptable machine for light entertaining. I am looking for a machine with pid that can handle my daily fix and making drinks for friends & family on the weekend.
Do you have any other recommendations? Thanks for all the feedback you have given so far.
The Breville Dual Boiler can absolutely be used for entertaining. One of the best actually due to its programmability and the fact that you get dual boilers for thousands less than it would otherwise cost you :)
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for the quick reply, your the man...
i have question. if the message Clean me or Descale appears in the middle of coffee shop shift. can you ignore and do it later or you have to do it right away. its a busy day
It can be ignored and done later, however these machines should not be being used in a commercial setting. They are for home use only
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you for answering. yes, but commercial machines are so expensive for very small cafe by the way im in Philippines small cafe are just using barista express i am lucky to afford dual boiler i just hope it will last long and someday i can buy commercial espresso machine. keep safe and thanks again
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Any thought on The Sage Barista Touch maybe?:D
The Barista Pro is better value for money :)
Do you need to use the Breville filters if you're already putting filtered water?
It is still recommended to filter out large particles, yes
My waterfilter eliminates fine and coarse particles as well and dont use any filter in my water-reservoir
It is recommended to use regular (no filtered) tap water plus breville filter.
Is this machine suitable for a small coffee shop..? If not what do you recommend me
No, these are not intended for commercial duty cycles. I'm not super familiar with commercial machines, but even some "prosumer" offerings from ECM, or Profitec could possibly handle low workloads
Hey LSL Is there a machine with similar features but single boiler? I do not want a built in grinder. I would like a grinder that can grind for espresso and Clever Dripper. Niche or DF64 ( I could be wrong on spelling) what are your thoughts?
Check out the Bambino or Bambino plus
Nothing with this level of control, but still programmable and good options :)
@Lifestyle Lab thank you so much for your reply. I was just looking at the barista Pro. What are your thoughts on grinders I mentioned? I like the niche. The wood accents are dope, but James Hoffmann stated the Niche is not geared for filter grind. A person would have to turn past the marked dial.
Your videos are awesome and so helpful. I love coffee. I believe you had said the Breville does feel like an appliance, but the features are that of an actual espresso machine. my wife got us a "Coffee Gator" espresso appliance. I am so thankful and grateful, however, my coffee understanding has passed what the CG can offer. I switch between the CG, moka pot, Clever Dripper and pour over.
Thank you so much for the information. Your fast response and educated suggestions are appreciated. 💙 ☕️ 😀
Yes, the Niche is indeed not ideal for filter, not only due to the grind markings but more so the grind profile itself
The DF64 is a great place to start, I also really enjoy the Mahlkonig X54
@Lifestyle Lab good stuff man. I just got done roasting a batch of coffee... bit 2 much heat but not burned. Thank you for the advice
You should cover LELIT machines
Hopefully soon!
Could you make review about delonghi dedica and thanks
Likely going to compare it to the Bambino at some point this year
when i press 2 cups, it stops after 6 seconds. do you know why?
Is your shot dialed in correctly?
It’s either running too fast, or programmed to run that length in which case you can just reprogram the shot
I'll take your dual boiler 🤣
Hey I'd love to hear your review on the Delonghi La Specialist Maestro, tossing up between this and Breville Dual Boiler
The Dual Boiler is a 1000x better machine than the Maeatro. Definitely not a toss-up :)
He says the smart grinder pro is essentially the same as whats on the barista express/pro - I don think that's the case.....
It is though
The only problem with the BDB is reliability. Has anyone had it for more than 2 years without having problems?
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Yes.
Have you tried using a better grinder with the BBE or Pro, can you pull better shots?
It will allow for better shots, yes. Grinder quality is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) contributors to espresso quality
@@LifestyleLab_ I personally had the smart grinder and it's truly a nice one, I think I couldn't find better in that price range, it goes from very fine (Turkish coffee style) to coarce (like filters), very easy to clean plus you can fine tune it by messing directly with the burrs with the integrated lever, it comes with a recipient, 2 PF holders, the hopper and there's those single-dose rubber hoppers that are available online.
The smart grinder is a good electric grinder in its price range for sure! But won't provide much benefit over the built in grinders on the Express and Pro
@@LifestyleLab_ Yeah of course, I was just talking about it in case of a Breville without grinder.
This thing is a beast. Too big
Aboot 😂😂😂
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I was so close to buying this. Learning that their portafilter is proprietary has changed my mind. It's not that I want to use another portafilter, it's from pure principle. Why make a 58mm portafilter that's proprietary? SMH.
The Rocket machines aren’t "that" high quality… Especially the apartamento
I'd have to disagree there. Most of the parts in the Appartamento are trickled down from their higher end models
Can you give some examples? Because from my understanding, the higher models uses rotary pumps, whereas the Apartamento uses a vibration pump. No PID with the machine, which should be included, considering what they are charging for it. Almost every machine in that same price range includes PID, and some even cheaper like the Magister Stella Prof. Next are the boilers, the higher end machines used stainless steel, as opposed to copper. This is why I stayed away from Rockets in general, for the money, the build isn't particularly that good. Also, if you repair your own machines, the internals of the rocket is a rat nest, and not very well thought of. If it works then great, but when you have to do a major repair, it's a bit of a pain. I would recommend the Profitec Pro 500, it's $100 more, with much better materials and design than the Apartamento.
I've tinkered with a few Rockets, not a big fan of the internals. But this is just my opinion. The only Rockets I liked is the R60, but at that price range, the ECM Synchronica, Profitec 700, even the Lelit Bianca at slightly lower budget blows the Rockets away. Once again this is IMO.
Once you go into R9 territory, you might as well save up a bit more and get a Slayer, at this point were getting past home use machines and going into commercial territory. For me the prices Rocket charges is not worth the build quality.
BDB is a better machine than Appartamento, but just like when people trash the Decent espresso machine line, the only weakness they can come up with are aesthetics, sounds the machine makes, and the espresso creating "experience" ... which is valid, but I think it's a bit overblown and ultimately value for my money and the quality of espresso you can make should win out over these aspects. If I was just buying the shiniest, coolest, retro-inspired design when looking up espresso machines I wouldn't even bother doing research and just pick what looked cool in an online shop.
Very well said!
I find myself firmly on the fence between wanting the best possible espresso, and also a classic looking, pleasant to use machine... the Decent is on our radar to get into the lab for sure!
@@LifestyleLab_ If you do, you're guaranteed to get a legion of Decent fanboys and haters in the comments
espresso is a hobby, and enjoyment is a very big factor to consider. For some, the enjoyment comes from the tinkering of settings and tweaking of parameters, and for others, it's the actual process of interaction with the machine and it's tactile feedback. This is why both models are very popular.
7-9 minutes you poor Americans 110V Try it on 240v 2400w
How is your gas heating working. Winter is coming. LOL.
Seriously? „The temperature stability the E61 offers“? On an HX machine without PID?
Come on, please do some research before giving such wrong information to people …
A ring brew group (Lelit Ellizabeth, Profitec Pro 300) - especially when it is (electronically) saturated as for La Spaziale (and BDB) - is far more stable than any E61. E61 might be famous but definitely not for its temperature stability.
With proper flushing, an E61 can provide great consistency. Yes, there are absolutely more advanced group types that require less active management, but I think you're underestimating the potential of good 'ol thermal mass
Also, a PID on a heat exchanger will still require proper flushing, purely by virtue of the way a heat echanger heats the brew water.
Don't waste your money they are always breaking down and going wrong.
Not when taken care of properly :)
I've owned almost every Breville, used some for 4 years+, not a single issue
Buy one and try. Then you might change your opinion based on experience, not rumors.
Had it for a short time, bad quality, Very disappointed, finally returned.
What did you get instead?
@@OnlyThe1Son Gaggia classic pro
@@yueteng4333 how you finding the gaggia?