From the engines. The parts will be destroyed and will be spitting out debris from the back of the engine, especially when going hundreds of miles per hour.
@@AshMundo Nothing to do with the engines. The explosion occurred close to the vertical stabiliser. This was an an anti-aircraft missile. It's clear that the holes in the aircraft skin were travelling much faster than the aircraft, and radiated from a point outside, but very close to the aircraft. If these holes had been caused by debris from the engines then the pattern of damage would reflect this.
@@Samayil_2024 the tail section is intact, but somehow, circular shrapnel with entrance and exit hole points perpendicular to the movement directions, is not "anything"
@@Samayil_2024There are videos showing small holes that look clean. Like another comment said, the tail section is intact and the only damage is those holes in the control surfaces.
Plane was hit by shrapnel from missle which destroyed the hydraulic systems, resulting in the only control of the plane being differential thrust between the two engines. Okay for straight flight but virtually impossible to land successfully with it.
Nope, Birds can fly at heights over 20,000 feet as the footage shows, the plane was flying at a far lower altitude as it was diverted due to weather and apparent engine troubles.
Nope, no blast residue. This was both the result of pilot error coupled with engine problems. Remember, the flight was diverted due to weather. For an explosive device to cause this damage, it has to leave blast residue, which is common for bombings. There is no evidence of explosive remnants on the crash site or the surrounding terrain.
Shrapnel holes all over the tail area from being shot down. Others stated it severed the lines for the controls. The pilots only had engines for control at landing/crashing. Longer video shows it plummeting down and they were able to recover it and gain altitude again. Lost control in turn where they were trying to land and ended up crashing.
@@joebarrett9830 probably punctured parts of the hydraulic system eventually causing total loss of fluid. This model has no manual/mechanical reversion. Loose hydraulics and the show is over.
The "reports" said birds. Not the news reporters. Don't hate the reporter's hate whoever first said it was a bird strike. Which is most likely someone in bed with Russia.
I don't understand why you are not showing the close-up video of the rear of the plane (which I have seen elsewhere) that clearly shows shrapnel damage that is consistent with what happens when a plane is struck by a surface-to-air missile. Russia's bird strike statement is just a cover up - just like the Malaysian plane shoot-down over Ukraine in 2014. I am very disappointed with how you have covered this disaster.
Both of the aviation guests (guy from US and the Irish guy) were “talking around” or even hinting at an air defense strike, but I don’t think the network will go there until we get reports of shrapnel being recovered from the tail section and the intact part of the cabin.
@JDSFLA Ya, they have the same footage of events with shrapnel damage edited out so as to perpetuate misinformation and speculation it's very shameful of them not to tell it like it is
Since my post, there is also video evidence of shrapnel damage on a life vest a passenger was wearing. Also the oxygen masks were deployed due to depressurization of the plane from the shrapnel holes. None of this is possible with a bird strike.
What's crazy is he clearly stated "Bird Strike" Without evidence. There's not one bit of evidence that shows bird strike, yet he comfortable saying that. He then stated he can't say Missile strike because he has no evidence. Smh.
@wolfswinkel8906 you are wrong here. There was a passenger who got a shrapnel stuck in her leg during flight. Also, they heard 2 explosions. Another passenger mentioned that as soon as that explosion accured, some metal things got through and wounded that woman as I mentioned.
@ericschmidt1987 What do you mean by DW? I didn't get it. Also, the engines were NOT in that bad shape. Because, thanks to pilots professionalism, they managed to fly over the sea.
Photos of the rudder and stabilizer clearly show shrapnel holes resulting from anti-aircraft rocket with a proximity fuse. No way this was from a bird strike!
Those aren't shrapnel holes, but the innards of the engine. No evidence of explosive residue and the surviving passengers' accounts do not describe any evidence of any missiles present.
Was shot down by Russia, damage is easy to see with puncture from outside to inside , plane lost hydraulic and landing gear was put down manually but some control was lost in tail and left wing
I just watched the whole report, DW doesn't say anything about it. The people they are interviewing and information they have gathered are giving wrong information. Even the first expert is sceptical about it being a bird strike and instantly suggests it could have been mistaken for a drone. Don't hate DW for this, they are delivering you an array of information for YOU to make up your mind.
Not only the holes talk about a missile attack. In the videos before the aircraft hit the ground, a panel appears open near the horizontal stabilizer, the area where the shrapnel holes are visible.
PASSENGER videos taken while airborne shows damages on the left wing, and holes in life vests from objects penetrating the fuselage IN FLIGHT. You can also see that the small "door" in front of the tail wing is OPEN while the plane is in the air...
Why do all these media continue to talk about birds? Look at the tail section you media people. What kind of birds make those kind of holes? Those kind of holes are made by fragments from a ground to air missile. If following the path of the airplane, it's very clear the pilots had no control over the control surfaces on the wings and the tail. When the airplane banks just before the crash, there is no aileron input visible on either wing which clearly indicates the pilots had no control over the airplane which again means the systems for control of the control surfaces on wings and tail had been lost. That indicates loss of hydraulic systems and/or electrical actuators. This airplane was subjected to fragment debris from a ground to air missile and we all know who like to shoot those things after airplanes. The tracking of the airplane from flightradar24 seems to indicate that the pilots have tried to control the airplane with the engines alone. Look to Russia for the people responsible.
Could well be one of putlers many enemies someone Putin wants to bump off after all Putin would not hesitate to blow a commercial aircraft out oF the sky if it meant silencing someone after all Putin ks a terrorist
False again, it was an engine failure, there's NO BLAST RESIDUE! MISSILES LEAVE EXPLOSIVE SOOT, AND SO DOES EXPLOSIVE SHRAPNEL! Engine fragments do NOT leave scorch marks.
Not a bird strike. It was a proximity surface to air missile. Get your story straight before saying bird strike. External damage is clearly a proximity shrapnel missile strike.
Every aviation forum is certain it was an anti-aircraft fragmentation / shrapnel missile. Based on the holes being bent in on one side and bent out on the other side, it's already obvious which side the missile was on when it detonated.
Tiny little Tungsten Hummingbirds flying at high altitude if you are going to call it a Bird Strike LOL. Omg, thats funny considering the pictures you are showing us pretty clearly show what it is. you dont need to even be an aviation or military enthusiast to see that. Im an Aviation Enthusiast and PPL Holder, but you dont need to be. Any Dump mouth piece Journalist should be able to see that is not caused by birds or parts of the plane breaking off. It's a very obvious and clear pattern of damage.
The plane was definitely shot down. You could see holes in the luggage bins from a passenger as they were still flying. There was also damage to the hydraulic pylons for the Flaperons. 😊
A flock of birds would never cause shrapnel entry holes at those sort of angles in the back of the plane…. Maybe in the front they would cause large holes. Not a shot gun spatter effect in the back of
Hey DW it was not Birds. Birds don’t leave peppered puncture holes. Intel shows a Russian Pantsir S-1 missile was fired at it thinking it was a Ukrainian R-22 Foxbat Drone.
They just survived a horrific plane crash and saw people die all around them. They are either critically injured or in shock. They need a few days at a minimum to process WTH just happened to them. Not to mention survivors guilt. Plus investigators get to talk to them first.
And the footage of a missile launcher fleeing across the border back into Russia after shooting down the Malaysian aircraft and yet they still denied it.
Your all wrong .Shrapnel damage . I have seen images of shrapnel damage at the rear horizontal stabilizer ( aka Tail section. ) Radar Altimeter history shows a huge jump in altitude fluctuations just as it desends . the front section broke off because it crashed nose first. So you there you have it. I was shot down while desending , airburst shrapnel anti aircraft missle.
someone attacked that plane when it was in the air the engine looks fine looks like the pilot didn't have control over the aircraft due the dmg of the atack even the flaps and ailerons not working
You should not recklessly give out such obvious misinformation. Evidence of an anti aircraft missile is clear. Thank god some passengers and part of the fuselage survived to tell the truth.
It was not a bird strike because the pilots could not control the plane; a bird strike would take out the engines, not the control system and a bird strike is very unlikely at that altitude. Also the plane was flying in circles as if to avoid ground fire. I suspect the Russians thought it was a drone and shot it down.
Im not criticizing these pilots, what they did was save the lives of half their passengers which must have taken alot of skill and bravery but i wonder if they had dumped fuel, while over the ocean, and at a high altitude, if more lives would have been saved?..or maybe they did i dont know?...i suppose they didn't know how much fuel they needed at that point...
If it were a bird strike in one engine, it would still land well. If it were a bird strike on both engines, it immediately crashed-but it flies a long distance before it crashes. And if someone insists that it was a bird strike, it is a lie.
DW always seems to consistently mistake obfuscation for objectivity. Russia shot down a passenger jet and refused it an emergency landing, so dozens died. That’s it.
The holes in the back of the aircraft could be explained by proximity fused birds loaded with some fragmentation explosive charge, warhead someone might call it, or specialoperationhead depending on localization settings.
Did you even watch the report ? Like seriously did you listen to anything they said ? It's not even DW speaking, it's the experts . DW didn't even give an opinion on it. It was clearly speculated and suggested by everyone in this report it could have been shot down / mistaken for a drone/ other people such as air traffic control are the ones hiding things. Stop being one of those people who always blame the news and not the people possibly feeding the news incorrect information.
OMG, it's an absolute miracle that [people survived. they will be able to tell what happened (I hope). Hopefully, some of the surviving passengers are knowledgeable people not just dense uneducated holidaymakers.
What??? The plane was shot down by a Russian Buk or similar. You can see the shrapnel holes in the tail clearly in your first scene. The plane crashed due to lack of rudder and tail fin control. This has been confirmed by experienced pilots observing the footage.
I flew over Russia last year, made me a little nervous and now it would make me very worried. Saw a picture on another YT channel which looked to me like shrapnel holes with this untrained eye.
tiny metal birds
Should DW be focusing on german economy first?
@@murkhuddindalal if they wanted to fall into russia's trap and plans. russia wants all of the west to focus inward and look away
@@murkhuddindalalwhy? It's a news agency not an economic agency.
Yeah, launched from ru AA system.
@@murkhuddindalal yeah, they have like tons of people with different tasks, really dont understand your question
that 'bird strike' looks alot like scrapnel damage.
From the engines. The parts will be destroyed and will be spitting out debris from the back of the engine, especially when going hundreds of miles per hour.
It IS shrapnel damage, that's why!
scrapnel?
lmfao...bro mixed up scrap and shrapnel.
@@AshMundo
Nothing to do with the engines. The explosion occurred close to the vertical stabiliser. This was an an anti-aircraft missile. It's clear that the holes in the aircraft skin were travelling much faster than the aircraft, and radiated from a point outside, but very close to the aircraft. If these holes had been caused by debris from the engines then the pattern of damage would reflect this.
Russia denied shooting down MH17. So if the same happened here, they'll deny that too.
Those pesky birds.... flying at 33,000ft...... hitting planes with their tungsten beaks! smh
Yeah, birds can fly at 20,000 feet and the plane was NOT at 33,000 at the time of diversion.
DW took on a lot of staff that qualified in Soviet style journalism and their lessons were thoroughly absorbed by DW.
It has holes in it, sir. We see holes.
It's aluminium travelling at 250mph, what do you expect. Anything will cause those ...
@@Samayil_2024 the tail section is intact, but somehow, circular shrapnel with entrance and exit hole points perpendicular to the movement directions, is not "anything"
@@Samayil_2024There are videos showing small holes that look clean. Like another comment said, the tail section is intact and the only damage is those holes in the control surfaces.
@@Samayil_2024 "Anything" as long as each piece is a uniform rectangular shape. Look at the holes.
@rockbutcher answered....
Plane was hit by shrapnel from missle which destroyed the hydraulic systems, resulting in the only control of the plane being differential thrust between the two engines. Okay for straight flight but virtually impossible to land successfully with it.
It’s obvious!
Look at the holes from the shrapnel in the tail.
Birds!?!
Russia will never admit to that.
The shrapnel damage is indisputable! Why the cover up???
@@EphemeraImagingRussians are not the ones who are investigating.
@@EphemeraImaging what’s the odds of them saying it was a Ukrainian drone?
Anti-aircraft birds?
Nope, Birds can fly at heights over 20,000 feet as the footage shows, the plane was flying at a far lower altitude as it was diverted due to weather and apparent engine troubles.
@@DR3ADER1 a very high flying woodpecker then since they made a LOT of holes in the tail section
@@DR3ADER1 sure, we've all heard of crows that, when hit, throw tungsten balls. The species is called Pantsir.
The plane hit a flock of shrapnel, ffs
flying sideways
@@TheSateef The plane was flying sideways?
POOR Birds getting a bad rap!
No, the missle was flying tangentially to it.
Nope, no blast residue. This was both the result of pilot error coupled with engine problems. Remember, the flight was diverted due to weather. For an explosive device to cause this damage, it has to leave blast residue, which is common for bombings. There is no evidence of explosive remnants on the crash site or the surrounding terrain.
This is somewhat old news. Current idea is that the plane was hit by shapnel from antiaircraft fire. Numerous small holes on side of fusilage.
Birds!! Are you crazy!?
The signs of a missile strike around the tail are plainly obvious!
Shrapnel holes all over the tail area from being shot down. Others stated it severed the lines for the controls. The pilots only had engines for control at landing/crashing. Longer video shows it plummeting down and they were able to recover it and gain altitude again. Lost control in turn where they were trying to land and ended up crashing.
@@joebarrett9830 probably punctured parts of the hydraulic system eventually causing total loss of fluid. This model has no manual/mechanical reversion. Loose hydraulics and the show is over.
The "reports" said birds. Not the news reporters. Don't hate the reporter's hate whoever first said it was a bird strike. Which is most likely someone in bed with Russia.
Haven't ya heard, the birds are not really birds, but metal drones made to look like birds
Ya need to keep up 😊
In Russia, bird have tungsten beaks.
I don't understand why you are not showing the close-up video of the rear of the plane (which I have seen elsewhere) that clearly shows shrapnel damage that is consistent with what happens when a plane is struck by a surface-to-air missile. Russia's bird strike statement is just a cover up - just like the Malaysian plane shoot-down over Ukraine in 2014. I am very disappointed with how you have covered this disaster.
Both of the aviation guests (guy from US and the Irish guy) were “talking around” or even hinting at an air defense strike, but I don’t think the network will go there until we get reports of shrapnel being recovered from the tail section and the intact part of the cabin.
might make Russia look bad?
@JDSFLA Ya, they have the same footage of events with shrapnel damage edited out so as to perpetuate misinformation and speculation it's very shameful of them not to tell it like it is
Since my post, there is also video evidence of shrapnel damage on a life vest a passenger was wearing. Also the oxygen masks were deployed due to depressurization of the plane from the shrapnel holes. None of this is possible with a bird strike.
What's crazy is he clearly stated "Bird Strike" Without evidence. There's not one bit of evidence that shows bird strike, yet he comfortable saying that. He then stated he can't say Missile strike because he has no evidence. Smh.
Guys! Check facts better please. It was shot
you should open your own media company. Even the passengers posted videos and none said this.
@wolfswinkel8906 you are wrong here. There was a passenger who got a shrapnel stuck in her leg during flight. Also, they heard 2 explosions. Another passenger mentioned that as soon as that explosion accured, some metal things got through and wounded that woman as I mentioned.
Those are sharpnel birds according to DW
@ericschmidt1987 What do you mean by DW? I didn't get it. Also, the engines were NOT in that bad shape. Because, thanks to pilots professionalism, they managed to fly over the sea.
@@SPCabbage post your source.
There are holes in the bird strike story. Many of them.
It was shot down!!!
Not a plane crash was a plane that was shot down.
Photos of the rudder and stabilizer clearly show shrapnel holes resulting from anti-aircraft rocket with a proximity fuse. No way this was from a bird strike!
Omg, all news reporters talks about birds, and do not show shrapnel holes
Those aren't shrapnel holes, but the innards of the engine. No evidence of explosive residue and the surviving passengers' accounts do not describe any evidence of any missiles present.
@@DR3ADER1 Passanger bleeding leg, and hole in the water jacket, and damage inside cabin is a joke for you?
THAT PLANE WAS SHOT DOWN ...!
Damn, UA-cam will not let me comment anything!!
And sent across the water in hopes that it would crash into the sea, making investigation impossible.
The shrapnel damage is indisputable! Why the cover up???
@johncheresna Of course, DW know this, but their liability insurance won't allow them to say anything that hasn't been officially confirmed.
It was not a plane accident, it was a "Special Military Plane Accident". Get your facts straight DW! 🤣
Why isn't anyone mentioning the fact that it was shot down by a Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense missile-gun system?
They did. They didn't mention a specific technology, but they did mention it could have been Russian anti-aircraft defense.
@ysamuelarai Because their lawyers won't allow them to say something that, while obvious, has not been officially confirmed.
Why are you copying and pasting this comment on all videos? Keep trying Pentabot, we know your Ukrainian drone shot it down.
@@TMBpk Since when kamikaze drones are capable of flying ant extreme high altitudes of commercial airplanes?
It crushed in Kazakhstan. Pantsir is a short-range air defence system.
Was shot down by Russia, damage is easy to see with puncture from outside to inside , plane lost hydraulic and landing gear was put down manually but some control was lost in tail and left wing
😂😂😂😂😂
Try harder
Yes shot down, but landing gear did deploy
There are even shrapnel holes in the onboard life jackets. Corrupt DW paeons doing pootin's work for him.
The shrapnel holes are bent in on one side of the plane and bent out on the other side. There's no ambiguity here.
@@wolfswinkel8906 You aren't even trying it seems.
Russia again shooting airplane
And no one will do anything about that
General Wesley Clark "7 countries in 5 years".
And no one has or is doing anything about that...
Russia shot down another airliner.
False again, Russia didn't shoot any planes down here. This is engine failure and pilot error mixed into one crash. Stop your conspiratorial nonsense.
Meanwhile we all know that it was shot down.
It is striking that the people at DW are playing dumb about the holes that are visible even in the images they show.
I just watched the whole report, DW doesn't say anything about it. The people they are interviewing and information they have gathered are giving wrong information. Even the first expert is sceptical about it being a bird strike and instantly suggests it could have been mistaken for a drone. Don't hate DW for this, they are delivering you an array of information for YOU to make up your mind.
Not only the holes talk about a missile attack. In the videos before the aircraft hit the ground, a panel appears open near the horizontal stabilizer, the area where the shrapnel holes are visible.
Did you Listen to min 5:20
Nope, because that's caused by the engine and the crash itself. There is no evidence of explosive residue from the tail section either.
This was probably the last flight of Azerbaijani Airlines to Ruzzia in a long time.
This plane was shot down, likely in the vicinity of Grozny, not an accident.
PASSENGER videos taken while airborne shows damages on the left wing, and holes in life vests from objects penetrating the fuselage IN FLIGHT. You can also see that the small "door" in front of the tail wing is OPEN while the plane is in the air...
Why do all these media continue to talk about birds?
Look at the tail section you media people.
What kind of birds make those kind of holes?
Those kind of holes are made by fragments from a ground to air missile.
If following the path of the airplane, it's very clear the pilots had no control over the control surfaces on the wings and the tail. When the airplane banks just before the crash, there is no aileron input visible on either wing which clearly indicates the pilots had no control over the airplane which again means the systems for control of the control surfaces on wings and tail had been lost.
That indicates loss of hydraulic systems and/or electrical actuators.
This airplane was subjected to fragment debris from a ground to air missile and we all know who like to shoot those things after airplanes.
The tracking of the airplane from flightradar24 seems to indicate that the pilots have tried to control the airplane with the engines alone.
Look to Russia for the people responsible.
Russia mistook the E190 for a Ukrainian drone and brought it down with either artillery or surface to air missile.
ruzzia hates Azerbaijan. It is mutual. Jammed between ruzzia and Iran, Azerbaijan is protected by Turkiye. pootin hates that.
Could well be one of putlers many enemies someone Putin wants to bump off after all Putin would not hesitate to blow a commercial aircraft out oF the sky if it meant silencing someone after all Putin ks a terrorist
I may not be watching DW much longer.
It was shot down. Go check your lies. We're not fooled.
False again, it was an engine failure, there's NO BLAST RESIDUE! MISSILES LEAVE EXPLOSIVE SOOT, AND SO DOES EXPLOSIVE SHRAPNEL! Engine fragments do NOT leave scorch marks.
Does DW now coverup for Putin and Russian AD?
Did you Listen to min 5:20
@@sollte1239Obvs not. That Kazakhstan l1es for Putin shows where their allience lies.
Putin approved messaging.
Not a bird strike. It was a proximity surface to air missile. Get your story straight before saying bird strike. External damage is clearly a proximity shrapnel missile strike.
Hit by shrapnel from missile which destroyed the hydraulic systems
It hit a flock of Pantsirs.
Every aviation forum is certain it was an anti-aircraft fragmentation / shrapnel missile.
Based on the holes being bent in on one side and bent out on the other side, it's already obvious which side the missile was on when it detonated.
The program lasts 15 minutes and you don't see photos with holes after being shot down even for a second. Scandal.
Get real ....Russian Air Defense took it down ..... Full of shrapnel damage
All Western media ignore the fact that this plane was taken down by a missile. Why?
Not all.. Just the corrupt ones.
Tiny little Tungsten Hummingbirds flying at high altitude if you are going to call it a Bird Strike LOL. Omg, thats funny considering the pictures you are showing us pretty clearly show what it is. you dont need to even be an aviation or military enthusiast to see that. Im an Aviation Enthusiast and PPL Holder, but you dont need to be. Any Dump mouth piece Journalist should be able to see that is not caused by birds or parts of the plane breaking off. It's a very obvious and clear pattern of damage.
The plane tail has damage synonymous with shrapnel.
How do these "analysts" keep a straight face? They know damned well what happened.
In 2010 Plane of the president of Poland hit the armored birch tree in Russia,impact cut the wing of the plane.All 96 passengers lost.
What we know is that Russia MH17’ed that plane , fact
No. They were Ukrainian rebels. Meaning the Ukraine shot the plane down. I'm from Malaysia btw
@@talhahabdullah8980Yes they were spotted fleeing back into Russia in a mobile missile launcher.
The plane was definitely shot down. You could see holes in the luggage bins from a passenger as they were still flying. There was also damage to the hydraulic pylons for the Flaperons. 😊
you can hear the rage in bakhyt's voice. she knows. she hates lying.
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was the bird a s-300? 🤔
if it was an s300 they would collect aircraft parts within a radius of 300 km
Pantsir, maybe.
These guys are clueless. pilot blog by Denys Davydov did a good review of the situation.
Exactly!
agree. his report was fantastic. looks like this one is more Russia-friendly
So did Juan Brown of Blancolirio channel, a captain with American Airlines.
Denys Davydov is an Ukraine Propagandist !
Are you guys bots?
Denys Davydov gave a detailed picture of the situation.
Denys Davydov is a Ukrain Propagandist !
Russian missile strike. Not the first time either.
Poor journalism from DW
Why? They interviewed the US expert who raised his doubts to the Kzakh-russian narrative.
A flock of birds would never cause shrapnel entry holes at those sort of angles in the back of the plane…. Maybe in the front they would cause large holes. Not a shot gun spatter effect in the back of
Why has the media STOPPED showing images of the right side of the tail and rear fuselage that CLEARLY shows shrapnel damage?
Hey DW it was not Birds. Birds don’t leave peppered puncture holes. Intel shows a Russian Pantsir S-1 missile was fired at it thinking it was a Ukrainian R-22 Foxbat Drone.
Kremlin lied about MH17 too. So anyone who takes any Russian investigation of this seriously must be nutz.
We need victims testimony.Why aren't we hearing from the victims that survived a crash????
They just survived a horrific plane crash and saw people die all around them.
They are either critically injured or in shock.
They need a few days at a minimum to process WTH just happened to them.
Not to mention survivors guilt.
Plus investigators get to talk to them first.
@@equargnope. We need to hear them as soon as possible, before their memories are brainwashed by Russian government / be forced to tell a cover story.
They will be heard from soon I assume.
All saw the marks from shrapnels but these experts
Watch other videos = plane in holes = was it shot down by Russian air defense?
Russia is out of control
look at the stabilizers, this plane was shot down by an air defence missile.
And the footage of a missile launcher fleeing across the border back into Russia after shooting down the Malaysian aircraft and yet they still denied it.
Your all wrong .Shrapnel damage . I have seen images of shrapnel damage at the rear horizontal stabilizer ( aka Tail section. ) Radar Altimeter history shows a huge jump in altitude fluctuations just as it desends . the front section broke off because it crashed nose first. So you there you have it. I was shot down while desending , airburst shrapnel anti aircraft missle.
Main stream media is too slow. This plane was shot at.
Huh, "bird strikes" with all those shrapnel holes!!!!
Whatever happened, it's a massive tragedy. Those poor souls.
someone attacked that plane when it was in the air the engine looks fine looks like the pilot didn't have control over the aircraft due the dmg of the atack even the flaps and ailerons not working
Proximity activated ballistics. It was shot down. This is horrendous. Who did this??
Chechnya
How any human being walked out of that is nothing but miracle
You should not recklessly give out such obvious misinformation. Evidence of an anti aircraft missile is clear. Thank god some passengers and part of the fuselage survived to tell the truth.
Liberal media is so used to lying: I doubt the know the truth without being told by government authorities.
That's the second time russia shot down a civilian plane?
There are Shrapnel holes all over the remaining tail section, this plan was shot at as a target.
It was not a bird strike because the pilots could not control the plane; a bird strike would take out the engines, not the control system and a bird strike is very unlikely at that altitude. Also the plane was flying in circles as if to avoid ground fire. I suspect the Russians thought it was a drone and shot it down.
Im not criticizing these pilots, what they did was save the lives of half their passengers which must have taken alot of skill and bravery but i wonder if they had dumped fuel, while over the ocean, and at a high altitude, if more lives would have been saved?..or maybe they did i dont know?...i suppose they didn't know how much fuel they needed at that point...
If it were a bird strike in one engine, it would still land well. If it were a bird strike on both engines, it immediately crashed-but it flies a long distance before it crashes.
And if someone insists that it was a bird strike, it is a lie.
DW always seems to consistently mistake obfuscation for objectivity. Russia shot down a passenger jet and refused it an emergency landing, so dozens died. That’s it.
The holes in the back of the aircraft could be explained by proximity fused birds loaded with some fragmentation explosive charge, warhead someone might call it, or specialoperationhead depending on localization settings.
Tungsten bumble bees
This has to be a new low for DW News. Shrapnel holes all over the empennage yet you continue to babble about birds. Are you blind?
they need to wait for the updated press release from Russian Ministry of Truth before they can say anything otherwise
Did you even watch the report ? Like seriously did you listen to anything they said ? It's not even DW speaking, it's the experts . DW didn't even give an opinion on it. It was clearly speculated and suggested by everyone in this report it could have been shot down / mistaken for a drone/ other people such as air traffic control are the ones hiding things. Stop being one of those people who always blame the news and not the people possibly feeding the news incorrect information.
Not until there is forensic evident.
Is it "new" for them now? Their first move is always to their RT feed.
Are you not able to listen to the entire report?
Pantsir hit. Probably ship mounted maritime version.
I don’t think this is a trust worthy source of information.
OMG, it's an absolute miracle that [people survived. they will be able to tell what happened (I hope). Hopefully, some of the surviving passengers are knowledgeable people not just dense uneducated holidaymakers.
Amazing that the Russians said it was bird strikes, sounds like another Russian plane downing by ground fire.
* Why did Russia target 🎯 another civilian aircraft over chechnya 🤔 😏 ** unmistakable undeniable SAM damage to the airframe
There are photos showing the plane had holes clearly made by shrapnel
Asian woman with the gaming headphones could be considered a "statement reader" not a journalist.
What??? The plane was shot down by a Russian Buk or similar. You can see the shrapnel holes in the tail clearly in your first scene. The plane crashed due to lack of rudder and tail fin control. This has been confirmed by experienced pilots observing the footage.
Got shot down from Russia as you can see at the tail unit.
The elephant in the room is what the Russians are not saying. Recall the denials with the Malaysian B777 shootdown in 2014 over Ukraine.
B777 was intentional, this now was an accident I believe.
Not what Russia is saying, DW is repeating what they were told to say.
I flew over Russia last year, made me a little nervous and now it would make me very worried. Saw a picture on another YT channel which looked to me like shrapnel holes with this untrained eye.
The pilot is god tier... he still can manage to handle the emergency landing etc etc
Ah yes! Birds, reactive radar guided anti air birds
Russian GPS spoofing? Russian satellite signal jamming?
The word "Bird" in Russian wouldn't happen to be "Buk" would it ?
These birds are GBU trained
Birds??? Is this false information??? Again!!!
A flock of birds?
If you consider a missle a bird then yes it was a bird strike. But looks like shrapnel in the tail to me.
Why do you parrot the bird strike lie ?
Russia shot it down
Those flocks were made of steel
20 mm or 40mm Sparrows?
Thank you for covering this and special thanks to military pilot for his insights
Several sources online have video of the damage from a missile to this airliner flying over Azerbaiijan republic