This game holds a special place in my heart. It's how I got into Warhammer 40k. A guy had a massive army and he wanted to trade it for my copy of this game. I had no idea how much a 40k army was worth but I agreed, only I made him wait until I beat it lol. I still have that Eldar army to this day.
You have to love Mark Hamill's acting here. Showing he's ready to die, and then sort of blindsided when the Kilrathi says they're surrendering. "Oh.. uh.. we're cool? We're cool then. Okay."
I read it as an inability to empathize with his enemy in that moment; he was prepared for more aggression, but for a Kilrathi to suddenly appear vulnerable and make concessions was something he wasn't ready for, and since he can't feel pity or sympathy or even anything approaching neutrality toward them, he doesn't have a lot to work with.
@@Tamlinearthly It's a bit outside of the context of his entire adult life - the Kilrathi have been merciless and ruthless for his entire life, so for them to turn around and surrender when they have him at their mercy, it's a bit of a shock.
Ah, excellent, the "no girlfriend" ending. Honestly, this was always the ending that I went with. It makes little sense to me that he would move on from Angel that quickly, especially right after the gut punch of Thrakath SHOWING him her very violent death. I seem to recall that, canonically, "Heart of the Tiger" takes place over just a few months in 2669. So it's been, what, a few weeks since that when you get the "pick the girl" moment? And having Blair sitting by himself, sighing in relief, after fighting for 15-straight years, at the tail-end of a massively-destructive 40-year-war (!!) that killed literal hundreds of billions feels.... Right. Better than cheesy "let's go to the beach" dialogue. ....I do the same thing in "Mass Effect." Despite what movies would have you believe, stress and life-threating situations do not typically result in "life-affirming" shipper moments and sexual encounters. Quite the opposite, cortisol straight-up KILLS your sex drive. And, honestly, Blair and Shepard should know better, as COs, than to sleep with subordinates. That's highly, highly-inappropriate, and potentially very, very-dangerous. Hell, Blair being involved with Angel in-the-first-place almost gets him killed, since Thrakath comes within a hair of goading him away from the Victory. And without Blair, the Confederation loses the war. Bit more important than getting laid, no?
@@joemorganti895 I know, even the novelization of "The Price of Freedom" implies the same, but I don't have to like it. ....Or pay any attention to it, really, since the actual game "The Price of Freedom" doesn't even mention Coriolis by name, and her appearance in "Prophecy" doesn't include any reference to a prior relationship.
Chris Roberts has always had an issue with women in the fridge going back to WC2. Ironic really given how often his wife has carried him. Maybe some secret resentment there...
I wonder how much of WCII is really Roberts. He only has a producer credit on that game - a different team wrote, directed and programmed it - as he was making Strike Commander at the time. I have always wondered if that was the reason why he reversed everything in WCIII (dropped the Ghorah Khar rebels storyline, destroyed the Concordia, killed Angel, made Hobbes a traitor, etc) actually. I think the unfortunate truth is that both Roberts with his writers in this game and the writers of WCII (one of whom is a woman!) are unfortunately just using the hoary old trope of fridged women to "make it more Hollywood" and play the audience's emotions and in WCIII to pave the way for a romance option ("but we have to kill Angel so the player can totally pick their fantasy relationship between these two hot blonde chicks!"). I always go with the No Romance option myself. Dang dude, your girlfriend was just brutally disembowled live on Kilrathi Pay-Per-View, you think you'd give her more than one week before jumping in the sack with one of your SUBORDINATES.
If I had a cent for every time Mark Hamills character blew up a giant sphere by hitting a weakpoint, I would have 2 cents. And while that isn't a lot, it is still odd it happened twice!
I wish instead of Star Citizen, Chris Roberts would try to raise funds for a big budget HD remake of these games with more photorealistic CG and higher quality in game graphics.
@@LorenHelgeson Yes from what i understand the rights is currently split in two. EA owns the rights to Wing Commander 1 to Prophecy and the name Wing Commander. But they don´t own the universe, Roberts do. So basically Roberts can make a game in the wing commander universe, but can´t use the Wing Commander name (and maybe any of the names in Wing commander). EA can make a "Wing Commander" game, but can´t put it in the same universe as the other Wing Commander games(so basically we are probably in the same situation as Star Trek in that the game has to be 20% different in order to fall outside of copyright). ... trying to understand copyright laws makes my head hurt. I HAVE heard rumors that EA MIGHT be doing a C&C with Wing Commander 3 where they do an upscale in graphics and everything. But its just a rumor, and i don´t know anything for certain. I think it might hinge on whether or not C&C remastered is enough of a financial success for EA to warren the expense of remastering the Wing Commander series. Personally i would love for them to not only take Wing Commander 3, but also 1 and 2 upscale the graphics ala how day of the tentacle did, and bring in as many of the original actors as possible to reprise their roles. That would be AWESOME! and new players to Wing Commander 3 would actually feel something when Angel dies, because they spent time with her in both wing commander 1 and 2.
Star Citizen is essentially two games. The Persistent Universe, and the Squadron 42 Single player component which is essentially a Wing Commander reboot, but yes, I understand the frustration at Robert's quest of ultimate immersion and constant delay.
Damn, those Kilrathi costumes were awesome. Frankly, much better articulated than the clumsy face movements of the Kilrathi in the 1999 Wing Commander movie.
Hard to believe this was almost 30 years ago. And to think Mark Hamil returned all those years later to star in Squadron 42. With any luck, we should see that released by the time WC3 is 40 years old.
I forgot they lost a ton of ships near earth coming out of the jump point. I would have surrendered then. I'm happy they did. Sometimes there are more important things than pride.......like survival
I remember the first time I did the Kilrathi run to deliver the temblor bomb. This is my favorite all time game! Upvote if you told all your wingman to retreat as soon as the mission started so none of your wingman would end up dying on the way to Kilrah!
Cheesy how? Ok the video is pixelated by today's standards, but I always thought the acting in WC3 was respectable - heck, Chris Roberts had an ensemble cast: Mark Hamill, Tom Wilson, Malcolm McDowell, John Rhys-Davies... and let's not forget Ginger Lynn Allen ;)
This ending never made any sense. Rather than immediately and unconditionally giving up, destroying their homeworld might as well have driven the Kilrathi into a vengeful frenzy where they'd use their momentum in the war to bring every single human to a torturous demise. People who draw parellels to the bombing of Hiroshima should remember that it happened when Japan had been already decisively losing the war for a couple years and barely any military power left. The Kilrathi however have as of this point been the undisputed winners of the war and were poised to destroy Earth itself.
From what I understand (and by that I mean I read the wiki), that explosion doesn’t just destroy their homeworld, but also a large portion of their Grand Fleet, not to mention all military leadership. It could also be like Blair says. They could kill every human in existence, but it wouldn’t bring their homeworld back.
@@jacemcdaniel2490 The Kilrathi will have hardly stationed any sizable portion of their fleet near Kilrah when they were about to breach the last defenses of the TC at Earth which is dozens of jumps away. Also, killing all the leaders would make a surrender LESS likely because you would leave no one in charge around who could order it. The Kilrathi have also been shown so far consistently to value ideals over rationality so it wouldn't matter to them that Kilrah couldn't come back, they'd butcher every single human just because and you are least likely to act and think rationally shortly after suffering a major loss anyway.
@@shiroamakusa8075 Well maybe you should pay attention to the cutscene because it very clearly shows a massive fleet over Kilrah that gets destroyed and which includes their flagship dreadnought that only just manages to escape with heavy damage. Yes, they value ideals. Ideals which include victory to the strongest. The strongest in this case being the ones who blew up their planet, wiped out their fleet and killed their Emperor and crown prince. They're left with no leadership other than the Tim Curry cat, who was always portrayed as more pragmatic than the rest.
@@zephyr8072 It does show a fleet...but there's no way that's the entirety of the Kilrathi fleet, especially not when they're about to pounce on Earth which is two entire sectors removed from Kilrah. Also, no, they don't value ideals. They're hypocrites like the Klingons who talk of honor but only ever act so outwardly while inwardly being a bunch of cowardly bullies. The Kilrathi fight and act like Romulans, they use every dirty trick they can to give themselves an advantage, right down to a fake peace agreement. Don't try and lecture me on Wing Commander lore, I've been with the series since the first game came out in the 1990s.
Let’s see Luke Skywalker blew up the Death Star with his X-Wing and now COL. Christopher Blair blew up Kilrah with his Excalibur. See the pattern here?
Thing is the homeworld wasn't a Death Star. *Blair's weapon* was a Death Star. Yeah, the Kilrathi fleet was about to overrun Earth, but if their weapons were OVER THERE, it's a little sus to Death Star explode their world and nearly genocide them.
@@UltimaKeyMasterLegit operation. If it were up to me I would take every POW and put them on unarmed ships with no propulsion and tell them they will die among the ruins of their home world. I want a CCTV of the children’s hospital to see the explosion coming in and let it ultimately be a reminder to other Kilrathi planets as it is sent out there reminding them there is no reason to fight-the emperor is dead, vaporized, along with every family on the planet. There is no homeworld. A choice: become nomads or be next to see destruction of your planet. The Behemoth? Now that we have the surrender of the general Kilrathi forces and additional time a shielded version is ready to go…headed for your planet escorted by Excalibur ships.
I think the canon ending is that he ended up with the mechanic girl (can´t remember her name) but she wasn´t capable of adjusting to life on the ground so she left him and rejoined the navy.
Blair had to take a bunch of wingmen to clear out enemies surrounding the planet, pick up the T-Bomb and cloak on approach to the planet. And he's the only one with the cloak, so his buds would give his position away while he navigated to the surface to drop the bomb.
Yes, it is! And you should definitely play Wing Commander 3. It's on sale this week from GOG for $1.49! www.gog.com/game/wing_commander_3_heart_of_the_tiger
@@MismagiusFan82 Since the game is nearly 30 years old, you don't need anything fancy to play. The GOG installer automates setup and it runs on pretty much any machine from the last decade or more.
The Kilrathi practically became the equivilant to Imperial Japan many millenia ago, It went to a point the Terran Confederation had to resort to using a big weapon to practically make them stop. And also they really weren't but they knew they went too far to this point, so they had to change otherwise they die out.
@@lightpostfilms9721 Yeah, but destroying an entire planet would be a war crime and an atrocity. Not a good guy move. Two, the Kilrathi change of heart was just bad writing. That sort of change happens slowly, over generations. Not ten minutes after some guy has just straight up murdered billions of your people and destroyed your entire planet.
@@watermelonhelmet6854 As opposed to destroying entire cities? How is that any less of a war crime or atrocity? Lightpost Films comparison holds. As for the Kilrathi surrendering under those circumstances? It's in keeping with what is in the books - they respect prey that put up a fight, and in losing they elevate the status of the victors in order to maintain their own honor.
@@watermelonhelmet6854 Ummmmmm 1. This is war 2. They wanted to conquer US and enslave us 3. Peace wasn’t an option-they weren’t offering peace War crime?! They would do it to us. If you will tell me two wrongs don’t make a it right I would say… Put me in Blair’s ship and give a CCTV-feed to a hospital of wounded Kilrathi and children! They would kill me if given the chance! 💥 War crime? No universal crime court. Bomb them to HELL In an us or them world I would have all their POWs watch the destruction of their home world, release them in unarmed ships in the planet’s debris field, and make sure they know they will die where their world once was.
@@watermelonhelmet6854 No, he would kill Blair-but Blair reminded him simply killing him would not matter. Why don’t you stomp on an ember after an entire house was burned to the ground? Help the same amount. Change of heart? More like white flag. As noted above killing Blair would bring no honor, they respect warriors, and Malek even notes his people must not die out so it is A) Change now Or B) Do you want a blindfold?
I would’ve actually just had the planet suffer volcanic eruption’s. They would make it look like it had suffered with the people of Pompeii went through instead of blowing up the planet, rendering the planet unlivable for a few millennial.
The novel explains that this is largely what happened. The Temblor bomb is a tectonic fault weapon: “Subject to seismic problems, quakes, volcanoes, the whole bit. Apparently there are some severe tidal stresses at work on Kilrah that render the planet extremely vulnerable to widescale seismic activity." He paused. "Given a big enough shaking, Kilrah would literally come apart.” “Blair didn't see the effects of the bomb. It took time for the first quakes to trigger subsidiary effects, radiating outward through all the interconnected fault lines. The Excalibur had already reached orbit by the time the quakes became planet-wide, collapsing Kilrathi-made buildings and structures within the major quake zones. The Imperial Palace was one of the first to suffer, as the entire massive edifice caved in on itself, crushing the Emperor and his court before they had a chance to react to the violence consuming their world. The ground was heaving even in regions far from the fault lines now, as the pent-up energy of the entire world's tectonic stresses was all released at once. Dust clouds rose into the atmosphere, huge rents opened up in the crust of the planet. As Blair finally cut his engines and looked down at the planet, it was to see Kilrah disfigured by angry orange gashes spreading across the face of the globe. The Kilrathi homeworld was coming apart before his eyes . . . And then it happened. Overcome by the awful forces set free by the Temblor Bomb, the planet's core exploded, hurtling huge chunks of the mantle and[…]” And then the aftermath is depicted in the introduction to Prophecy: cdn.wcnews.com/newestshots/full/kilrah.gif
@@RobotsEverywhereVideos Honestly I'm glad WC4 turned up a ton of moral ambiguity, because literally making *two* Death Star weapons in the span of a couple months and finally getting to use one is outright insanity that humanity are still the good guys in all this, much less *Mark Hamill* not seeing any issue in it.
Well, it is noteworthy that once a species can actually colonize elsewhere it's a bit *less* Genocidal. Still is pretty damn Genocidal, though. Kilrathi had colonies outside of Kilrah. So did the Confederation outside of Earth.
Disney should have made Wing Commander III, IV and Prophecy canon to the Star Wars universe - this would have been one of Luke's adventures after the rebels won.
Luke could have had so many adventures in film, but the one chance we did get, he ends up being the opposite of what his character was built up to be, a quitter better known as "Jake Skywalker," as Mark Hamill himself put it.
Not exactly. From the WC4 novelization: “He thought of the chaos the Kilrathi civilization had fallen into. Their Clans were locked into a five-way civil war and torn by interfactional warfare.”
@@WingCommanderCICI thought they were space faring nomads. I didn’t know if clans. However, with infighting among five attrition will likely really take a toll until there are two weakened factions or whatever is left…with no home world or family.
@@Tigerman1138 By Prophecy's time, there seems to be some stability with many of the former Empire systems now under the Kilrathi Assembly of Clans, according to the universe map included with the game.
Wouldn't it be ABSOLUTELY GODDAMN FANTASTIC IF A WING COMMANDER LEGENDARY EDITION CAME OUT ON X BOX ONE/PS4/PS5/XBOX SERIES X? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF MASS EFFECT LEGENDARY CAME OUT, THEN SURELY WING COMMANDER LEGENDARY EDITION WILL BE POSSIBLE?
@@WingCommanderCIC Yes... though the question is since EA owns it.. how many micro transactions will the game be saddled with. Though it would be nice if we got all 5 wing commander games remastered. The cartoony graphics of the original games enhanced and perfect alongside the original cast returning to reprise their roles (those who aren´t too old the guy who voiced the Kilrathi emperor is 94 years old.. i very much doubt he has the energy the return and reprise his role as the Kilrathi emperor). Also maybe have the gameplay enhanced as in if there have been any improvements in such games include them and maybe make the enemy AI a bit better. As for Wing commander 3... i think what they can do with the live action segments is limited, unless the original tapes where they actors act infront of a green screen still exists... All they will really be able to do is what C&C did digitally enhance the footage and perhaps upgrade the cgi cutscens. Wing Commander 4 i think they actually used real sets here, so maybe they can do more in terms of upscaling the footage. Same with Wing commander Prophecy.
"You blew up our homeworld so we surrender" Lol, if the Kilrathi had done the same to us, we would have murdered them all out of pure spite, I never thought Kilrathi where too bad
They weren’t surrendering. They wanted to conquer. Peace wasn’t an option. I feel this was JUSTIFIED. As others pointed out it was becoming like WWII and mainland invasion of Japan would take millions. The Kilrathi all live and die by the emperor’s will…just like the Japanese. Learn from it in history classes, teach children it was a hard lesson and choice, but support Blair and TC. Blow them all to hell.
Well between WC2 and WC3 they were literally stopped minutes before killing all life on earth with specially designed radioactive warheads. Even so, they managed to hit a large number of major cities with standard nukes causing unimaginable suffering. I'd say they're rather bad.
You don't think tearing apart ejected pilots and shipping them back for fun is "too bad?" There's of course the ubiquitous beheading, bioweapons that make Ebola meek. The ritual hunts of prisoners always struck me as right neighborly of the felines.
This video is from several years ago when the AI tools available at the time were much less advanced than they are now. You can download more advanced versions of this footage at www.wcnews.com/news/2021/03/24/enhanced-wc3-footage-adds-several-language-options. Most people also don't realize the original cutscenes were just 320x160, so being able to tease out any detail is kind of amazing.
@@WingCommanderCIC Sure, why not. Though I really have to question what the obsession is with making video shot in 29.97FPS (that had its framerate reduced) 60FPS. It just never looks good, or natural.
Considering the Kilrathi were on the verge of winning the war and fully intended to wipe out the human race in the process, I would call it justifiable.
Not entirely genocide. Kilrah was primarily the domain of the Kiranka clan, who suffered the most from this attack. The other clans still have their own homeworlds, and would be untouched. You also have Gorah'kar over in the Enigma sector, which at this point in the timeline is a Confed member.
This game holds a special place in my heart. It's how I got into Warhammer 40k. A guy had a massive army and he wanted to trade it for my copy of this game. I had no idea how much a 40k army was worth but I agreed, only I made him wait until I beat it lol.
I still have that Eldar army to this day.
Alas, Luke Skywalker lived long enough to become the Death Star.
You have to love Mark Hamill's acting here. Showing he's ready to die, and then sort of blindsided when the Kilrathi says they're surrendering.
"Oh.. uh.. we're cool? We're cool then. Okay."
Too much Luke Skywalker vibes.
I read it as an inability to empathize with his enemy in that moment; he was prepared for more aggression, but for a Kilrathi to suddenly appear vulnerable and make concessions was something he wasn't ready for, and since he can't feel pity or sympathy or even anything approaching neutrality toward them, he doesn't have a lot to work with.
@@Tamlinearthly It's a bit outside of the context of his entire adult life - the Kilrathi have been merciless and ruthless for his entire life, so for them to turn around and surrender when they have him at their mercy, it's a bit of a shock.
I remember this game being $60 in a Radio Shack back in the day. Love the upload!!
You surrender to me? Great! i am now the Emperor! Set a course for Earth.
Really good ending to a great classic.
Without flint or Rachel? 🤭
@@NothingToLoseBY actually yes. not everything has to end with romance.
@@NothingToLoseBY Flint and Rachel. They are waiting for him in the hotel with the Nuru all warmed up.
There’s other options besides those 2, however having either Flint or Rachel with Blair is an extra added bonus.
Way to go Marko, you saved the Universe.... again.
To you know the secret of Christopher Blair?Christopher Blair is Jedi knight for code name Luke Skywalker
Ah, excellent, the "no girlfriend" ending. Honestly, this was always the ending that I went with. It makes little sense to me that he would move on from Angel that quickly, especially right after the gut punch of Thrakath SHOWING him her very violent death. I seem to recall that, canonically, "Heart of the Tiger" takes place over just a few months in 2669. So it's been, what, a few weeks since that when you get the "pick the girl" moment? And having Blair sitting by himself, sighing in relief, after fighting for 15-straight years, at the tail-end of a massively-destructive 40-year-war (!!) that killed literal hundreds of billions feels.... Right. Better than cheesy "let's go to the beach" dialogue. ....I do the same thing in "Mass Effect." Despite what movies would have you believe, stress and life-threating situations do not typically result in "life-affirming" shipper moments and sexual encounters. Quite the opposite, cortisol straight-up KILLS your sex drive. And, honestly, Blair and Shepard should know better, as COs, than to sleep with subordinates. That's highly, highly-inappropriate, and potentially very, very-dangerous. Hell, Blair being involved with Angel in-the-first-place almost gets him killed, since Thrakath comes within a hair of goading him away from the Victory. And without Blair, the Confederation loses the war. Bit more important than getting laid, no?
If you read the booklet that comes with Wing Commander 4, canonically Blair and Rachel get together for a little while but eventually break up.
@@joemorganti895 I know, even the novelization of "The Price of Freedom" implies the same, but I don't have to like it. ....Or pay any attention to it, really, since the actual game "The Price of Freedom" doesn't even mention Coriolis by name, and her appearance in "Prophecy" doesn't include any reference to a prior relationship.
Chris Roberts has always had an issue with women in the fridge going back to WC2.
Ironic really given how often his wife has carried him. Maybe some secret resentment there...
I totally agree with your assessment there. That was the ending I usually opted for as well.
I wonder how much of WCII is really Roberts. He only has a producer credit on that game - a different team wrote, directed and programmed it - as he was making Strike Commander at the time. I have always wondered if that was the reason why he reversed everything in WCIII (dropped the Ghorah Khar rebels storyline, destroyed the Concordia, killed Angel, made Hobbes a traitor, etc) actually. I think the unfortunate truth is that both Roberts with his writers in this game and the writers of WCII (one of whom is a woman!) are unfortunately just using the hoary old trope of fridged women to "make it more Hollywood" and play the audience's emotions and in WCIII to pave the way for a romance option ("but we have to kill Angel so the player can totally pick their fantasy relationship between these two hot blonde chicks!"). I always go with the No Romance option myself. Dang dude, your girlfriend was just brutally disembowled live on Kilrathi Pay-Per-View, you think you'd give her more than one week before jumping in the sack with one of your SUBORDINATES.
If I had a cent for every time Mark Hamills character blew up a giant sphere by hitting a weakpoint, I would have 2 cents.
And while that isn't a lot, it is still odd it happened twice!
I am pretty sure he did that more than once as the Joker
I remenber... I cry.
This and Privateer were the best games of their genre.
I wish instead of Star Citizen, Chris Roberts would try to raise funds for a big budget HD remake of these games with more photorealistic CG and higher quality in game graphics.
EA would never have it, but I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Watching this I thought theose games were superior in every aspect but graphiics to today's games.
@@LorenHelgeson Yes from what i understand the rights is currently split in two.
EA owns the rights to Wing Commander 1 to Prophecy and the name Wing Commander.
But they don´t own the universe, Roberts do.
So basically Roberts can make a game in the wing commander universe, but can´t use the Wing Commander name (and maybe any of the names in Wing commander).
EA can make a "Wing Commander" game, but can´t put it in the same universe as the other Wing Commander games(so basically we are probably in the same situation as Star Trek in that the game has to be 20% different in order to fall outside of copyright).
... trying to understand copyright laws makes my head hurt.
I HAVE heard rumors that EA MIGHT be doing a C&C with Wing Commander 3 where they do an upscale in graphics and everything.
But its just a rumor, and i don´t know anything for certain.
I think it might hinge on whether or not C&C remastered is enough of a financial success for EA to warren the expense of remastering the Wing Commander series.
Personally i would love for them to not only take Wing Commander 3, but also 1 and 2 upscale the graphics ala how day of the tentacle did, and bring in as many of the original actors as possible to reprise their roles.
That would be AWESOME! and new players to Wing Commander 3 would actually feel something when Angel dies, because they spent time with her in both wing commander 1 and 2.
Star Citizen is essentially two games. The Persistent Universe, and the Squadron 42 Single player component which is essentially a Wing Commander reboot, but yes, I understand the frustration at Robert's quest of ultimate immersion and constant delay.
I wish Roberts would pick and end point and reach it. It's been 11 years!
Blair: Do it, billions of Humans and Kilrathi have already died because of this war, what's a few more?
My video games series love will always have that special place
Damn, those Kilrathi costumes were awesome. Frankly, much better articulated than the clumsy face movements of the Kilrathi in the 1999 Wing Commander movie.
I think a video of a talking anus is better than the 1999 movie!
I KNOW!!!! You are so right about that! The costumes, the ship designs. The movie was a huge missed opportunity.
In WC4 a subtle nod to no longer being warriors the costumes looked more like cats fierce cats.
Late 90s CG. Good lord... pixel graphics were a million times better.
Great shot kid! That was one in a million!
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Pity there was no Han Solo like character in the “WC” games.
@@raymondyee2008We did have Maniac in 3+4. He is probably the closest they could get in the setting.
big cgi shockwaves used to be all the rage in 90s movies and games
Hard to believe this was almost 30 years ago. And to think Mark Hamil returned all those years later to star in Squadron 42. With any luck, we should see that released by the time WC3 is 40 years old.
Hey look an optimist!
I'm just hoping to play it before I die of old age
The diff is this is an actual game.
Blair: For Jeannette.
TCS Deveraux became first victim of the nephilim invasion. she died on Kilrah, the TCS was destroyed in its orbit.
it's physically impossible for me not to date flint. she was perfect
Nice really great job...
Can we all appreciate that Mark Hamill of all people just blew up a planet?
The “Heart Of The Tiger” indeed and the great hero of Confed.
Man, I remember being thankful that my 486DX could handle this lol!
I forgot they lost a ton of ships near earth coming out of the jump point. I would have surrendered then. I'm happy they did. Sometimes there are more important things than pride.......like survival
Epic.
I remember the first time I did the Kilrathi run to deliver the temblor bomb. This is my favorite all time game! Upvote if you told all your wingman to retreat as soon as the mission started so none of your wingman would end up dying on the way to Kilrah!
I remember, I remember.
I am probably wrong, but was that Tim Curry's voice coming from the lion leader? Sorry I am still kinda new to this series.
Yes, Melek is voiced by Tim Curry who is the one that surrenders at the end.
it looks so cheesy now but that was cutting edge at the time
It doesn't look cheesy now.
looks better than that first person crap they have all over the nets now
had to spend 200 bucks to upgrade from 4MB of RAM to 8MB, then another 200 for a 2x CD-ROM to play this game. but it was worth it back then.
Cheesy how? Ok the video is pixelated by today's standards, but I always thought the acting in WC3 was respectable - heck, Chris Roberts had an ensemble cast: Mark Hamill, Tom Wilson, Malcolm McDowell, John Rhys-Davies... and let's not forget Ginger Lynn Allen ;)
Cheesy? I can barely tell what im looking at
This ending never made any sense. Rather than immediately and unconditionally giving up, destroying their homeworld might as well have driven the Kilrathi into a vengeful frenzy where they'd use their momentum in the war to bring every single human to a torturous demise. People who draw parellels to the bombing of Hiroshima should remember that it happened when Japan had been already decisively losing the war for a couple years and barely any military power left. The Kilrathi however have as of this point been the undisputed winners of the war and were poised to destroy Earth itself.
From what I understand (and by that I mean I read the wiki), that explosion doesn’t just destroy their homeworld, but also a large portion of their Grand Fleet, not to mention all military leadership. It could also be like Blair says. They could kill every human in existence, but it wouldn’t bring their homeworld back.
@@jacemcdaniel2490 The Kilrathi will have hardly stationed any sizable portion of their fleet near Kilrah when they were about to breach the last defenses of the TC at Earth which is dozens of jumps away. Also, killing all the leaders would make a surrender LESS likely because you would leave no one in charge around who could order it.
The Kilrathi have also been shown so far consistently to value ideals over rationality so it wouldn't matter to them that Kilrah couldn't come back, they'd butcher every single human just because and you are least likely to act and think rationally shortly after suffering a major loss anyway.
@@shiroamakusa8075 Well maybe you should pay attention to the cutscene because it very clearly shows a massive fleet over Kilrah that gets destroyed and which includes their flagship dreadnought that only just manages to escape with heavy damage.
Yes, they value ideals. Ideals which include victory to the strongest. The strongest in this case being the ones who blew up their planet, wiped out their fleet and killed their Emperor and crown prince. They're left with no leadership other than the Tim Curry cat, who was always portrayed as more pragmatic than the rest.
@@zephyr8072 It does show a fleet...but there's no way that's the entirety of the Kilrathi fleet, especially not when they're about to pounce on Earth which is two entire sectors removed from Kilrah.
Also, no, they don't value ideals. They're hypocrites like the Klingons who talk of honor but only ever act so outwardly while inwardly being a bunch of cowardly bullies. The Kilrathi fight and act like Romulans, they use every dirty trick they can to give themselves an advantage, right down to a fake peace agreement.
Don't try and lecture me on Wing Commander lore, I've been with the series since the first game came out in the 1990s.
@@jacemcdaniel2490 The Fleet was at Earth's doorstep. They still had every possible advantage to take humanity with them.
Poor Mark Hamill. The whole time wondering if they're gonna make sequels to Star Wars ever
I think here as COL. Blair it’s a nod to his Luke Skywalker vibes.
Let’s see Luke Skywalker blew up the Death Star with his X-Wing and now COL. Christopher Blair blew up Kilrah with his Excalibur.
See the pattern here?
Thing is the homeworld wasn't a Death Star. *Blair's weapon* was a Death Star. Yeah, the Kilrathi fleet was about to overrun Earth, but if their weapons were OVER THERE, it's a little sus to Death Star explode their world and nearly genocide them.
@@UltimaKeyMasterLegit operation. If it were up to me I would take every POW and put them on unarmed ships with no propulsion and tell them they will die among the ruins of their home world. I want a CCTV of the children’s hospital to see the explosion coming in and let it ultimately be a reminder to other Kilrathi planets as it is sent out there reminding them there is no reason to fight-the emperor is dead, vaporized, along with every family on the planet. There is no homeworld.
A choice: become nomads or be next to see destruction of your planet. The Behemoth? Now that we have the surrender of the general Kilrathi forces and additional time a shielded version is ready to go…headed for your planet escorted by Excalibur ships.
In this case, he won the war, but not the girl.
He should have won both of them!
I think the canon ending is that he ended up with the mechanic girl (can´t remember her name) but she wasn´t capable of adjusting to life on the ground so she left him and rejoined the navy.
I had two saves so I'd get a different one in each save
Wasn't there the option to choose the pilot girl? I think I went with that one.
@@TheGosslings There was yes, in which chase the machanics girl would leave and you would have to do your equipment yourself.
pissed me off this game. there was something wrong with it and despite getting to the end of disk 3, it wouldn't let me land and move on to disk 4
Nothing wrong, possibly your disc
I had the exact same problem, not only you.
Same happened here, never made it beyond disc 3
The Kilrathi surrendered to the Heart of the Tiger, not the Confederation.
Would love to see Mark in a Wing Commander Tv series.
So would we! Mark did voice Christopher Blair in the animated Wing Commander television show.
@@WingCommanderCICI remember watching in college.
Still better than anything Star Wars after '99.
Movie wise maybe. But game wise nah fam. KOTOR, battlefront 2 classic version, some excellent games after 1999
As if the original sw was not sjit
No
Never mess with Luke Skywalker and The Joker
Whats with the 'missing man formation"?
Blair lost pilots on the way to the mission (or sent them all back), but more realistically all the Confederation pilots/dead.
Blair had to take a bunch of wingmen to clear out enemies surrounding the planet, pick up the T-Bomb and cloak on approach to the planet. And he's the only one with the cloak, so his buds would give his position away while he navigated to the surface to drop the bomb.
Col Blair: savior of humanity, genocider of Furries
They started it, he finished it.
I never played Wing Commander 3 I have however played Wing Commander 4 so can I just ask is that Malek from Wing Commander 4?
Yes, it is! And you should definitely play Wing Commander 3. It's on sale this week from GOG for $1.49! www.gog.com/game/wing_commander_3_heart_of_the_tiger
@@WingCommanderCICthank you maybe one day I'll get the chance to play WC3 if I'm able to get a good PC or gaming laptop.
@@MismagiusFan82 Since the game is nearly 30 years old, you don't need anything fancy to play. The GOG installer automates setup and it runs on pretty much any machine from the last decade or more.
@@WingCommanderCIC might look around then for a gaming laptop but in any case thank you for your reply.
Yes, that is why he knows you. That is why Blair references events from the past.
It always bothered me that this game:
1) Ended with literal genocide
2) The Kilrathi were essentially totally okay with that.
The Kilrathi practically became the equivilant to Imperial Japan many millenia ago, It went to a point the Terran Confederation had to resort to using a big weapon to practically make them stop. And also they really weren't but they knew they went too far to this point, so they had to change otherwise they die out.
@@lightpostfilms9721 Yeah, but destroying an entire planet would be a war crime and an atrocity. Not a good guy move.
Two, the Kilrathi change of heart was just bad writing. That sort of change happens slowly, over generations. Not ten minutes after some guy has just straight up murdered billions of your people and destroyed your entire planet.
@@watermelonhelmet6854 As opposed to destroying entire cities? How is that any less of a war crime or atrocity? Lightpost Films comparison holds.
As for the Kilrathi surrendering under those circumstances? It's in keeping with what is in the books - they respect prey that put up a fight, and in losing they elevate the status of the victors in order to maintain their own honor.
@@watermelonhelmet6854 Ummmmmm
1. This is war
2. They wanted to conquer US and enslave us
3. Peace wasn’t an option-they weren’t offering peace
War crime?! They would do it to us. If you will tell me two wrongs don’t make a it right I would say…
Put me in Blair’s ship and give a CCTV-feed to a hospital of wounded Kilrathi and children!
They would kill me if given the chance!
💥
War crime?
No universal crime court.
Bomb them to HELL
In an us or them world I would have all their POWs watch the destruction of their home world, release them in unarmed ships in the planet’s debris field, and make sure they know they will die where their world once was.
@@watermelonhelmet6854 No, he would kill Blair-but Blair reminded him simply killing him would not matter. Why don’t you stomp on an ember after an entire house was burned to the ground? Help the same amount.
Change of heart? More like white flag.
As noted above killing Blair would bring no honor, they respect warriors, and Malek even notes his people must not die out so it is
A) Change now
Or
B) Do you want a blindfold?
Are the Kilrathi and Kzinti possibly cousins?
Big November 2020 energy
I would’ve actually just had the planet suffer volcanic eruption’s. They would make it look like it had suffered with the people of Pompeii went through instead of blowing up the planet, rendering the planet unlivable for a few millennial.
The novel explains that this is largely what happened. The Temblor bomb is a tectonic fault weapon:
“Subject to seismic problems, quakes, volcanoes, the whole bit. Apparently there are some severe tidal stresses at work on Kilrah that render the planet extremely vulnerable to widescale seismic activity." He paused. "Given a big enough shaking, Kilrah would literally come apart.”
“Blair didn't see the effects of the bomb. It took time for the first quakes to trigger subsidiary effects, radiating outward through all the interconnected fault lines. The Excalibur had already reached orbit by the time the quakes became planet-wide, collapsing Kilrathi-made buildings and structures within the major quake zones. The Imperial Palace was one of the first to suffer, as the entire massive edifice caved in on itself, crushing the Emperor and his court before they had a chance to react to the violence consuming their world.
The ground was heaving even in regions far from the fault lines now, as the pent-up energy of the entire world's tectonic stresses was all released at once. Dust clouds rose into the atmosphere, huge rents opened up in the crust of the planet. As Blair finally cut his engines and looked down at the planet, it was to see Kilrah disfigured by angry orange gashes spreading across the face of the globe. The Kilrathi homeworld was coming apart before his eyes . . .
And then it happened. Overcome by the awful forces set free by the Temblor Bomb, the planet's core exploded, hurtling huge chunks of the mantle and[…]”
And then the aftermath is depicted in the introduction to Prophecy: cdn.wcnews.com/newestshots/full/kilrah.gif
I see your point. I just wish we hadn’t done the Death Star Reenactment
The real ? Is would Humanity do this after 40+ yrs of war?
And thus the plot of Wing Commander 4
@@RobotsEverywhereVideos Honestly I'm glad WC4 turned up a ton of moral ambiguity, because literally making *two* Death Star weapons in the span of a couple months and finally getting to use one is outright insanity that humanity are still the good guys in all this, much less *Mark Hamill* not seeing any issue in it.
Well, it is noteworthy that once a species can actually colonize elsewhere it's a bit *less* Genocidal. Still is pretty damn Genocidal, though. Kilrathi had colonies outside of Kilrah. So did the Confederation outside of Earth.
Disney should have made Wing Commander III, IV and Prophecy canon to the Star Wars universe - this would have been one of Luke's adventures after the rebels won.
Luke could have had so many adventures in film, but the one chance we did get, he ends up being the opposite of what his character was built up to be, a quitter better known as "Jake Skywalker," as Mark Hamill himself put it.
Disney 😂 please no
SO........ MELEKS THE NEW 'EMPEROR?????
Not exactly. From the WC4 novelization: “He thought of the chaos the Kilrathi civilization had fallen into. Their Clans were locked into a five-way civil war and torn by interfactional warfare.”
@@WingCommanderCICI thought they were space faring nomads. I didn’t know if clans. However, with infighting among five attrition will likely really take a toll until there are two weakened factions or whatever is left…with no home world or family.
@@Tigerman1138 By Prophecy's time, there seems to be some stability with many of the former Empire systems now under the Kilrathi Assembly of Clans, according to the universe map included with the game.
I recall way when thinking how great this looked...today I go...geez this was terrible
No it was pretty bad then, too.
Thouse cats are too cute to be vilians.
You should see him in WC IV
Wouldn't it be ABSOLUTELY GODDAMN FANTASTIC IF A WING COMMANDER LEGENDARY EDITION CAME OUT ON X BOX ONE/PS4/PS5/XBOX SERIES X? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE IF MASS EFFECT LEGENDARY CAME OUT, THEN SURELY WING COMMANDER LEGENDARY EDITION WILL BE POSSIBLE?
Anything's possible!
@@WingCommanderCIC Yes... though the question is since EA owns it.. how many micro transactions will the game be saddled with.
Though it would be nice if we got all 5 wing commander games remastered.
The cartoony graphics of the original games enhanced and perfect alongside the original cast returning to reprise their roles (those who aren´t too old the guy who voiced the Kilrathi emperor is 94 years old.. i very much doubt he has the energy the return and reprise his role as the Kilrathi emperor).
Also maybe have the gameplay enhanced as in if there have been any improvements in such games include them and maybe make the enemy AI a bit better.
As for Wing commander 3... i think what they can do with the live action segments is limited, unless the original tapes where they actors act infront of a green screen still exists...
All they will really be able to do is what C&C did digitally enhance the footage and perhaps upgrade the cgi cutscens.
Wing Commander 4 i think they actually used real sets here, so maybe they can do more in terms of upscaling the footage.
Same with Wing commander Prophecy.
So, what happened to the Kilrathi?
Civil war & decimation by bugs
They had a hard time adapting especially during the events of “Wing Commander 4”.
They became nomads, beyond that I don’t know.
"You blew up our homeworld so we surrender"
Lol, if the Kilrathi had done the same to us, we would have murdered them all out of pure spite, I never thought Kilrathi where too bad
They weren’t surrendering. They wanted to conquer. Peace wasn’t an option.
I feel this was JUSTIFIED.
As others pointed out it was becoming like WWII and mainland invasion of Japan would take millions.
The Kilrathi all live and die by the emperor’s will…just like the Japanese.
Learn from it in history classes, teach children it was a hard lesson and choice, but support Blair and TC.
Blow them all to hell.
Well between WC2 and WC3 they were literally stopped minutes before killing all life on earth with specially designed radioactive warheads. Even so, they managed to hit a large number of major cities with standard nukes causing unimaginable suffering. I'd say they're rather bad.
You don't think tearing apart ejected pilots and shipping them back for fun is "too bad?"
There's of course the ubiquitous beheading, bioweapons that make Ebola meek. The ritual hunts of prisoners always struck me as right neighborly of the felines.
@@Euripides_Panz Our pet cats would treat us just like the Kilrathi if they were big enough and had opposable thumbs
@@Tigerman1138 If there's even one single Kilrathi who doesn't wish for this, it's not justified. Civilians are off-limits, period.
"Enhanced" footage. Yeah, sure, okay. Everyone looks like awkward cutouts and anybody in the background doesn't look human.
This video is from several years ago when the AI tools available at the time were much less advanced than they are now. You can download more advanced versions of this footage at www.wcnews.com/news/2021/03/24/enhanced-wc3-footage-adds-several-language-options. Most people also don't realize the original cutscenes were just 320x160, so being able to tease out any detail is kind of amazing.
@@WingCommanderCIC Sure, why not.
Though I really have to question what the obsession is with making video shot in 29.97FPS (that had its framerate reduced) 60FPS. It just never looks good, or natural.
Aaaaaaand ... it’s genocide ladies and gentlemen
Considering the Kilrathi were on the verge of winning the war and fully intended to wipe out the human race in the process, I would call it justifiable.
Exterminatus. Call it whatever.
No, that was a very aggressive race. Nuking Kilrah chilled them out a bit.
Inquisition: 'Sooo Tuesday?'
Not entirely genocide. Kilrah was primarily the domain of the Kiranka clan, who suffered the most from this attack. The other clans still have their own homeworlds, and would be untouched. You also have Gorah'kar over in the Enigma sector, which at this point in the timeline is a Confed member.