And I agree with your invité. You Mike, you look like, you love more women, where it's all hate with Myron... I guess since, men are simping for him, he will continue... very sad...
I’m confuse why is it hate when Myron tells women to take accountability make better choices be humble and live in reality this dude objections are surface base if I told my brother lose weight your a fat f**** I don’t hate him I love him and want him to live a longer life women are not use to hearing the truth in raw form and it’s ok to care and respect peoples feelings it’s always better to hear the truth even if it hurts because then you become a better person
@@benjaminrivera9710 1. " Myron tells women to take accountability make better choices be humble...." I agree ! 2. "I'm confuse" Yes you are. I'm talking about something very specific, this Arab guy has displayed several times in his show, about black women IN GENERAL. 3. Take care
@@saninkontron925 that wasn’t the argument bringing up his preferences to not date black women deflects from the facts that woman have outlandish high standards and expectations make bad choices but expect the world in return life has consequences good and bad you can’t let emotions distort reality I can’t deny facts because I don’t like someone dating preference or opinion it’s funny how 95 percent of the black women that go his show display exactly what he doesn’t like everytime but Myron’s the issue because he calls people out on there bullshit and stupidity😂😂😂 race is irrelevant it’s about culture and upbringing any race of women can be a lady if you choose to be my mom is a black women and she has class respect doesn’t think being submissive cleaning or handling kids is slave work or makes her less of a person stop creating false narratives
@benjaminrivera9710 1. This arab guy has the right to date only white women, I don't care ! My issue is his constant disrespect towards black women... where in his show, he keeps inviting of white girls, pron white girl, dubai white girls, crazy white women, trashy white women... But when ever a dumb black woman acts crazy or funy, he insults black women as a whole... Buddy I'm trying to convert you in my views... Just keep supporting/simping this arab guy... Take care My last message...
@@BruceKarrdei guess he means the repetitiveness of it, once a week i comes out in 99% of Americans for sure but at this rate interms of trust its a no no is likely what he means.
Right. As he admits that he does not commit to woman and runs through them, but feels that he's the good guy because he caters to and uses good guy messaging. Now that is equally as disingenuous as Myron catering to fat boys and weirdos who were just not born to be attractive to the vast majority of woman, telling these poor guys they can be like him when they simply can't.
The white knighting here is outrageous “I feel like most women are amazing”. Most adult women are OBESE, nothing amazing about not having the self control to maintain a healthy body.
oh dude you have no idea. Markus is probably the top 3 pua in the world. This dude has reached a point where he can get such attraction women submit to his frame.
@@steveross4151 Yeh ur dead wrong. This guy has multiple LTRs, FWB , orgies etc. Playing on a whole nother level. Used to see him out pre his coaching days.
Myron consistently goes harder at men than he does women. Some of his best rants are calling guys fat, lazy etc. This is the Kevin Samuels argument all over again, they'll ignore all the content where he chastised men and act all high and mighty when he does the same for women
Yup. Every single episode they are telling men to improve themselves and telling men that if they sit and act lazy and play video games all day they will never become anything. They tell this to people ALL the time -- and Michael was right that any time Myron says this people ignore it and just focus on negative comments he makes about women.
@@cinderellaresearch74 To some extent this is true, but in order for that to mean anything, a certain 19th needs to go away otherwise men will always be outvoted based on those who do so only out of self-interests.
@@Profitglutton90eh, Myron’s dating profile is a total joke. He titles it 1PercentMan, and says in his bio “PLEASE READ! I’M PICKY!!” Then he has the nerve to take a profile picture holding a dog, on a balcony, with his shirt off, smiling like a dweeb. Like no wonder we don’t want to take him seriously
@@Profitglutton90 I think he is a little overly upset about it, but you can’t just ignore his points. From the outside in, it may appear to give off a certain impression. If you look at his argument itself though, it’s a strong one objectively
Does Myron/Fresh and Fit hate women, or do they disregard the simpish programming that we have been taught for decades and call women out on their bullshit. Myron is very polite to all of the women who came on his show until they started disrespecting them. I hate guys like this who base their perspectives purely out of short clips and have never seen a full show like most women who have this same opinion that they hate women. Smh...
@@MauricioFernando17 Exactly, he has a clear male feminist hate towards Myron and refuses to research them more for the truth. They just like calling people out of their names without saying anything of substance just like women do.
I feel micheal could have done more. He let him ramble like a female saying, "Myron hates women" without asking him, "How does Myron hate women?". I would like my friends to demand a causality to any derogatory statement made about me. You can't tell me my friends aren't shit on my platform without the context of why you feel that way. My loyalty wouldn't let that dude say what he said without proof.
@@rikogreen7596 Myron hates women because he made a book called "why women deserve less." Made a podcast solely on debating 18-19 year olds as a 33 year old man on how women ain't shit, he has kicked out over 100 women from his podcast because of a difference of opinion. Deep down you know if you had a daughter, mother, sister and they said they were going to do a podcast with fresh and fit you would tell them not to do it.
@saadk8905 You are such a liar. 18 to 19 are not the only and far from the average age of women who go on his show. He doesn't debate about how women aren't shit. He debates about interrelationship dynamics, not how women ain't shit. He kicks women out for disrespecting him, fresh, and the show not for a difference of an opinion. There is nothing wrong with "ADULT" men debating "ADULT" women, no matter how young or old. And I would let my daughter, mother, or sister go on their show, and I would instruct them on how not to look stupid. I can't believe how you're just lying and trying to slander them from the lies you have told. This shit is sad.
Let’s see: 1. Myron has literally said he doesn’t like arguing with women because he feels that all women are inferior to him in every aspect. 2. He has also said that women are only good for sex numerous times. 3. He has dehumanized women numerous times by calling them “creatures.” 4. He has also argued numerous times that no man wants to get to get to know a woman before having sex with her which is a statement that has no backing beyond him and Fresh still being stuck in high school player mode. Most mature dudes outgrow this mentality within 2 years of graduating high school. Myron is in his 30s and he still thinks like a 16 year-old. No excuse. 5. Myron has also argued that all women will abandon standards for rich guys as a way to prepare men whilst actively encouraging men to flaunt their success which I can tell you from experience only attracts gold diggers rather than women you want to be with. There are plenty of women who see that type of display and think, “Wow this guy is a shallow narcissist. I’m going to steer clear of that.” 6. My favorite one: Myron and Fresh had a guy on their podcast who bragged about raping someone and what did they say in response? Nothing. They just laughed about it and kept going. Myron has no problem going after women for body counts and not “submitting” but apparently he doesn’t have the balls to kick someone off his podcast who is bragging about sexually abusing women. That alone showcases what he REALLY thinks of women. I’m not a male feminist. I find the modern 3rd wave to be filled with holes and I’m traditional in some areas. However, there is a mountain of proof that Myron hates women. He views them as sex objects, not people. You don’t have to be a simp to recognize a toxic man. Myron clearly has a lot of pent up towards women for some reason. Maybe he got his heart broken a few times in high school and never moved on? Who knows? However, there is one thing that needs to be said: Myron is NOT a traditional man. He has never been married, yet gives marriage advice whilst also contradicting himself by telling men not to get married. He has gleefully engaged in polys. He does not believe in the importance of male fidelity. He has no standards for a man beyond monetary success and physical fitness instead of actual moral character. He’s just a shallow, pathetic man child who sees the world through nothing but the lens of greed and lust. It’s really sad.
This guy debating with Michael is just lost. First off, majority of women out there aren't great people, because if they were then the relationships, the dating scene, and marriages wouldn't be in the shambles that they are. Does someone need to remind him what the divorce rates are for women who marry women? Also, this guy is literally talking about using hook-up culture tactics to lure in women who are looking for stable relationships and then saying that those women are great women? Dude, no. Anyone dude looking to get with a woman willing to give i up on the first date are two people destined for misery. Neither of those people are good people because they're willing to throw things away for a pointless night of self-gratification. Call it like it is, but there are no good guys in the space that this guy is trying to argue from. And trying to tone police or throw shade at FnF just looks pathetic. I don't agree with everything they say, but FnF are absolutely 100% spot on that they make it known that they are not the good guys; they make it known they are the hook-up culture scumbags and that they teach men how to play the game according to today's rules and that ultimately it's not healthy for society but their methods do work for men who want to engage in that culture. I can respect them for being honest about their intentions and methods instead of this guy here arguing out both sides of his mouth as if what he's doing is a net positive to anybody but himself.
The arrogance was just seething off this dude. I may disagree and not like Myron many times.But i can genuinely tell that this guy is not a good person in comparison to Myron
F&F is like a broken clock - right twice a day. They are like boys with their attitudes though. They have zero will to fight the cultural problems and make no demands that men take responsibility for their role in the hook-up culture problems. They advocate for men getting 50+ sexual partners before settling down while shaming women for having more than like 5 partners, yet they place all the blame on the women. It's asinine. They are just being controlled by their sexual desires rather than shifting the dynamics of the sexual marketplace by telling men to keep it in their pants, and thereby force women to bring more to the table than just sex. Then again, maybe they just do it all for the clicks. Either way, they are not a net positive for society any more than the women they blame for problems with the sexual marketplace.
The reason Myron’s criticism is more targeted and calculated toward women is because when he criticizes men, we and society as a whole generally accept it and he can move on. When he criticizes women he’s met with denial, cope, and idiots like this running to their defense.
Micheal, why didn't you hold this mans feet to the fire. This man speaks like a woman. He kept using derogatory phrases of what he thinks Myron does to women, but "NEVER" mentioned a single specific offense. You were taking up for them, but making sure you stayed on that fence of neutrality. This man definitely was trying to slander Myron by saying he hates women but wouldn't say what myron did that looks like hate for women. You never let anyone just throw out names and descriptions without making them explain how they got to that conclusion because we all know it was the short clips with no context why he is so adamant that Myron hates women.
You're wrong about Michael being neutral. He said he's gonna stand by Myron, but that doesn't mean he can't disagree with Myron's philosophy or approach. He even said he's had these conversations with Myron. Regardless of how he came to the conclusion that he doesn't like Myron, he's allowed to hold that disdain. You don't have to like the same people or agree on everything to be friends with someone.
I wish he would had gave a solid example of why he thinks Myron hates women. I never heard a man say that before that actually watches the shows, it's usually a woman that watches the clips. I know a lot of men who don't agree with everything he says but to say he hates women. If he would had said Myron is rude and disrespectful to women with high body counts, 304's, OF creators or even fat chicks than maybe I can understand his point a little bit.
He holds women's feet to the flame because not only do they not take accountability, where men do, but they have men explaining their bad behavior away. Just like Mr. Feelings.
dude just dont like myron, like how many things did he say about myron that just wasnt true, and dude had to correct him on it, and yeah he say feel way too much.
Myron doesnt hate women. He just speaking the harsh truth about dating/relationships in the world we are living in.…btw, bruh needs to stop talking abt how he feels, must his time of the month.
He doesn't hate them, he's simply agitated with the girls he brings on. They're insufferable, but they serve the purpose of letting the audience see WHAT and WHO they're pedestalizing. I also once believed he was unnecessarily mean, but then i watched Michaels attempt to coddle his female friends AND the atrocity that is the Whatever podcast😬 Now i think being Like Myron makes sense (sometimes)
Couldn’t he bring on a better class of women? Seems like most of the women are just pushing their social media. They aren’t raiding libraries to find women.
@@sidecharacter7165 I bet you his go to example would be a woman carrying out her biological function. whenever people try and compare base human female functionality to achievement that actually took individual improvement and ability it always has me looking at it like pandering. If a women in a coma can give birth then we really need to stop marveling at the function as some great human achievement
Yeah see, Here's the thing about this guy's argument. He's not even MAKING an argument at all. He's literally venting about how Myron's clips and other short forms of content make him feel and is thus venting his emotions whilst moving the goal post. Pepper in some " I'm a cool white knight" statements here and there and you have this guy. Even with him making statements like most women are amazing (which is subjective to the individual mind you), or when he was saying how Myron says things like all women are bad (which Myron didn't say btw), you could tell that the guy did not do his homework before choosing to speak about Myron at all. I'm not gonna rag on dude cause he acknowledged near the end that he wasn't coming correct, but the least, if your gonna put your best foot forward, do so with integrity. Great video and although it was a bit hard to watch for the first 7 minutes, towards the end, it turned out pretty good. Especially the point where it's practically known that outrage, comments taken out of context or edited videos will always get more views.
I don't believe Myron "hates" women. I do believe he has a very high level of standards that most modern women do not meet. I've seen him act very cordial and almost flirtatious with women on FnF who exhibited higher levels of femininity and weren't expressing any desire to be, as Myron would put it---304s. Its just that nuanced difference that you see when someone isn't wishy washy and accepting whatever comes their way, and instead is living the standard they say others should strive for in women and life.
Exactly MYRON is very loving towards his Angie. He treats her like a princess because she has earned it. He just has high standards and low patients for stupidity
This guy only watches clips & speaks as if he watched FnF in it's entirety he has not once watched the normal show only the after hours.... But just like all the haters out there they can only talk about 7 & 8 because they don't even know 1 - 6 & 9 & 10 exists. Myron has helped more men get their lives together than this guy has but yet he's complaining. Mr Sartain I appreciate the honor & let this dude watch a before hours show so he can stop sounding like the SIMP HE Is, certain women are amazing not all... And so are certain men,but I'd say there are more Good Guys than "Good Girls".
You can give the algorithm credit, but the reason why F&F go viral is because it's relatable. Every man has dealt with the women they have on their show and if they haven't they know plenty of men who have. Telling men to get back on the plantation when they know from experience that the plantation is hell will never work.
Dude have you watched the show. It’s hard sometimes there no talking to the ladies on the show. Not all the time but in most cases you just have to be blunt
No....I don't agree with everything Myron does, or says, but NONE of us can say that others agree, or share the same beliefs/ opinions that we have ALL THE TIME either. What I DO respect most about the F&F podcast is the call for men to be accountable for themselves.... not just in relationships, but financially, physically,& mentally. I see that as a positive.
The whole mainstream is hard on men and treats women with kid gloves so somebody has to be hard on women, and Myron seems to be the only one brave enough to do it. The difference too is Myron is also hard on men, but in a productive way that will actually help them succeed in life.
I understand the critique, but it comes off as tone policing. Unfortunately, in the world of content creation, controversy and hate drive the algorithms. Delivering a message, but delivering it harshly, will tick those numbers. The thing I appreciate about Mike, Rollo, Myron and Fresh, and even Donovan Sharpe is that these men, are not afraid to get out there and engage their detractors and critics. How they go about doing it, is as unique to each’s own life story.
They all talk nonsense. Nothing to do with tone. They know nothing about women and the "facts" they give are a misunderstanding of the studies given. As the guy says, they only do well with incels who have never had a relationship, whether romantic or friendships, with women.
Bringing to light the negative side of female behavior that has been so suppressed and kept from men for so long is not hate. It just shows how pervasive the social programming has effected most men. I spent years trying to figure out why I got into relationships with women, everything is going great and they absolutely destroy the great thing we had by acting a fool. To me one of the most important things a man can do in his life is quench his thirst for sex so he cannot be controlled by sex. I'd hate to see the disaster this mans daughter is going to be and how his woman will treat him. My guess is she will dis respect him when it benefits her to control him.
This guy keeps using the word disingenuous but always referencing Myron as “hateful to women” which is disingenuous in itself because I been watching F&F for a couple years now and it don’t get that impression. Some of these guys only watch small clips they don’t watch in length therefore won’t realise that Myron is holding women especially accountable for many different reasons that they been getting away with for years which then leads to them being so delusional. It’s the men like him who have this simpy mindset that won’t get it. The title WOMEN doesn’t mean you won’t be held accountable as there’s only two Genders irrespective of the new pronoun bullies that been popping up over the few years. Only two Genders and both gotta be held accountable by both there’s no third parties holding us accountable. Animals,mammals,insects,reptiles etc can’t hold us accountable we are the dominant ones. Don’t let that go over your heads
Michael, did you notice this guy responds exactly like the girls from Fresh and Fit. When you tell him the facts, he responds with, 'But I feel like...' (MERCH) 😂
True. Its the issue trad cons are having with the RP as we speak. Its always... Them: "i dont like this advice given by the RP". Lol the RP doesn't give advice. People do. Who specifically you that advice? Them: *crickets*
While I honestly love seeing michael set the record straight when myron slander gets thrown at him. I think its time for Michael to begin telling the haters that until they actually watch a full podcast where the clip that pissed them off came from they should shut the fuck up.
I don’t know who this other guy is but he is very underhanded. Sartain has to keep going over stuff again and again keeping his cool while this guy tries to shank his friend on camera. He uses “feels” like a woman and acts like a white night. He confuses culture and a different point of view for women hating. I have talked to a woman who claimed to be on the show and she still takes no responsibility for her words and actions both in life and on the show. It is easy to judge someone who is taking shots. I don’t agree with Myron a lot when it comes to red pill but I still see him as necessary. Each figure whether it’s Rollo, Pearl, Sartain, Myron and Fresh back up what they say and take their hits and keep on going. I respect people who aren’t cowards like this joker. I guarantee you he wouldn’t go on Myron’s show or join a panel with Myron on it and talk crap like he is doing here. Myron would destroy him and the dude knows it.
do gooder with a pointer finger ring. Hate watching men like this that virtue signal for how others handle their message. Fresh and Fit do a great job.
06:32 He obviously doesn't watch the daytime show. Myron tells men viewers to level up and not be average, to strive for more money/health/and happiness before even getting married.
Most people see the clips from fresh and fit- the CLIPS make Myron seem like he hates women- the clips are designed for short attention span and to gain views for $$. Watch the whole show and see how it actually is.
This dudes fundamental problem is that he does not understand the simple law of the internet, which is that: *_Content creators do not decide which content goes viral_*
Myron is hard on women because NOBODY ELSE has the balls to do it. I personally would be less hard on women than he would but are most of the points he makes about female nature spot on? 100 percent yes. He also doesn't act hard on women for the sake of being hard on women. He wouldn't be any harder on women than he feels he needs to be. Like I said earlier, I think he is a bit extreme at times, but he is a smart guy who doesn't share information that he feels like doesn't help his audience. Plus I think he has a bit of younger, hornier male audience and so he needs to drill the message into their heads harder because they are young men who need to learn.
Ahhh yes, the typical "woman hate, misogyny" line. Which if followed to it's logical conclusion means "never publicly chastize/criticize women or hold them responsible for anything" Also "the redpill is wrong " which is really "I don't agree with what this particular guy says, so let me judge the entire school of thought, and everyone involved, based on this one individual" This shit is getting really old.
The most popular creators talk nonsense. Sure, there might be some decent content out there but the vast majority of what is being consumed is just making their viewers lives worse and society as a whole worse.
There's a reason why Australia went from a place with fun, cool, laid back, beautiful women to the feminist hell hole that it is now. It's guys like this. It's always the guys
I hate watching Myron with his one trick logic funnel. Even i can acknowledge Myron does way more content than attacking women. It's obvious this dude hasn't spent any time researching what Myron says.
It ok, we understand the guy with a the hoodie is mid transitioning, so he/she is feeling emotional, particularly with how Myron talks to women rather than what is being said !!!
These people in the red pill space that hate on FnF are the same people that only watch Afterhours and ironically say "People shouldn't judge a person without full context"
I watch fresh and fit and watch more their day shows and they have a call in show they even cuz out supporters way worst then the girls. But guys watch their days shows they helped my credit by alot and made me rethink to start making money on the side besides my main job.
2:40 from here mf a few seconds is true. You’ll feel anger once you realize things you ”thought” were how you should do things turns out not to be true and you realize times you’ve been used. Once you get to acceptance and take action as a man…life skyrockets.
An evolutionary psychologist did a research seminar at the University I was at. He talked about long term and short term mating strategies of men and women and mentioned that women are very opportunistic, even going as far as to marrying men they don't like or are attracted to. He got numerous complaints by women and simps like this guy calling him a misogynist. He wasn't just some guy who hates women. He backed his claims up with sound statistics and case studies as a scientist should do.
Tone policing. This is an attempt to choke the content at the source by demanding disavowals and division in the manosphere. This has been going on like clockwork since the early 90s. And they never get better at it. 😅
Myron is practical and people who don't like him usually argue based on their feelings. He tells you as it is but also agrees that this is not ideal but based on how society is today. That is why what he says doesn't sit well with a lot of people.
This guy keeps changing the narrative trying to win the debate... He needs to watch the entire content from Fresh and Fit before talking too much shit. You can see Michael face at 7:36... this is what blue pill do to men. If he thinks that Myron is hard on those girls he needs to watch Myron's rants against men.
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And I agree with your invité. You Mike, you look like, you love more women, where it's all hate with Myron... I guess since, men are simping for him, he will continue... very sad...
I’m confuse why is it hate when Myron tells women to take accountability make better choices be humble and live in reality this dude objections are surface base if I told my brother lose weight your a fat f**** I don’t hate him I love him and want him to live a longer life women are not use to hearing the truth in raw form and it’s ok to care and respect peoples feelings it’s always better to hear the truth even if it hurts because then you become a better person
@@benjaminrivera9710
1. " Myron tells women to take accountability make better choices be humble...."
I agree !
2. "I'm confuse"
Yes you are. I'm talking about something very specific, this Arab guy has displayed several times in his show, about black women IN GENERAL.
3. Take care
@@saninkontron925 that wasn’t the argument bringing up his preferences to not date black women deflects from the facts that woman have outlandish high standards and expectations make bad choices but expect the world in return life has consequences good and bad you can’t let emotions distort reality I can’t deny facts because I don’t like someone dating preference or opinion it’s funny how 95 percent of the black women that go his show display exactly what he doesn’t like everytime but Myron’s the issue because he calls people out on there bullshit and stupidity😂😂😂 race is irrelevant it’s about culture and upbringing any race of women can be a lady if you choose to be my mom is a black women and she has class respect doesn’t think being submissive cleaning or handling kids is slave work or makes her less of a person stop creating false narratives
@benjaminrivera9710
1. This arab guy has the right to date only white women, I don't care !
My issue is his constant disrespect towards black women... where in his show, he keeps inviting of white girls, pron white girl, dubai white girls, crazy white women, trashy white women...
But when ever a dumb black woman acts crazy or funy, he insults black women as a whole...
Buddy I'm trying to convert you in my views... Just keep supporting/simping this arab guy...
Take care
My last message...
He lost me when he said, "most women are amazing."
he'd have been right if he said it JLP style and said they are 'uhMAZIN!'
Same here, what a beta simp 😅
how amazing a woman is to you is a reflection of your value as a man, women are extremely flexible in their character
Oh you're so badass, way to find an excuse to terminate all further thought
@@slommie1649 it actually is, imagine if I said, "most men are amazing." I'd sound like an idiot.
I can’t trust a guy who says “I feel like.”
Then you also don't trust Fresh and Fit.
he was raised by a single mother, he doesnt use logic
Look at your pfp then yourself in the mirror 😂😂 no one cares who you trust 😊
@@BruceKarrdei guess he means the repetitiveness of it, once a week i comes out in 99% of Americans for sure but at this rate interms of trust its a no no is likely what he means.
😂😂😂
What a simp
For a grown man, dude was saying “it feels like” a little too much.
Right. As he admits that he does not commit to woman and runs through them, but feels that he's the good guy because he caters to and uses good guy messaging. Now that is equally as disingenuous as Myron catering to fat boys and weirdos who were just not born to be attractive to the vast majority of woman, telling these poor guys they can be like him when they simply can't.
The white knighting here is outrageous “I feel like most women are amazing”.
Most adult women are OBESE, nothing amazing about not having the self control to maintain a healthy body.
generally means your argument is weak
This guy is a little simp.
Saying "I feel like" is not a feminine thing. Your a product of fnf.
In this video, the word 'feel' was used 10 times. The word 'fact' was used only once, and it was by Michael Sartain. Just an observation.
Yup! Men using the term "feel" don't understand the dynamics
Yes
Would be interesting to have a count of the word "think
e.g "I think..."
😂😂
This was a very Darren / Feminine discussion.
Dude spewed a whole bunch of words but said a whole lotta nothin'.
😂😂😂😂😂
Because its all appeals to emotions, just like women do.
Michael is arguying with a simp
total simp
Couldn’t have said it better.
oh dude you have no idea. Markus is probably the top 3 pua in the world. This dude has reached a point where he can get such attraction women submit to his frame.
@@ashleyn1979 seems like a goofy to me
@@steveross4151 Yeh ur dead wrong. This guy has multiple LTRs, FWB , orgies etc. Playing on a whole nother level. Used to see him out pre his coaching days.
Myron consistently goes harder at men than he does women. Some of his best rants are calling guys fat, lazy etc. This is the Kevin Samuels argument all over again, they'll ignore all the content where he chastised men and act all high and mighty when he does the same for women
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Yup. Every single episode they are telling men to improve themselves and telling men that if they sit and act lazy and play video games all day they will never become anything. They tell this to people ALL the time -- and Michael was right that any time Myron says this people ignore it and just focus on negative comments he makes about women.
And the question is, why does everyone ignore that part?
@@cinderellaresearch74 To some extent this is true, but in order for that to mean anything, a certain 19th needs to go away otherwise men will always be outvoted based on those who do so only out of self-interests.
@@Billy-bc8pk Suppose there was a percentage of women bashing to male improvement. Do you honestly think it would be 50/50?
This guy is weirdly obsessed with Myron for someone who seems to know so little about him
He’s desperately in love with Myron and is just too shy to come out and say it
@@Profitglutton90eh, Myron’s dating profile is a total joke. He titles it 1PercentMan, and says in his bio “PLEASE READ! I’M PICKY!!”
Then he has the nerve to take a profile picture holding a dog, on a balcony, with his shirt off, smiling like a dweeb. Like no wonder we don’t want to take him seriously
@@marcusmcgraw3519 ok. That other dude is still gay for Myron though.
@@Profitglutton90 I think he is a little overly upset about it, but you can’t just ignore his points. From the outside in, it may appear to give off a certain impression. If you look at his argument itself though, it’s a strong one objectively
@@marcusmcgraw3519 nothing about him saying “I feel like” is objective. He talks like a woman.
Does Myron/Fresh and Fit hate women, or do they disregard the simpish programming that we have been taught for decades and call women out on their bullshit. Myron is very polite to all of the women who came on his show until they started disrespecting them. I hate guys like this who base their perspectives purely out of short clips and have never seen a full show like most women who have this same opinion that they hate women. Smh...
Exactly 💯
This. This guy is so ridiculous -- and I'm so tired of these people using the whole "incel" nonsense.
It's because the only way they can make content is by talking about other people because I guarantee Myron doesn't even know who this guy is
@@MauricioFernando17 Exactly, he has a clear male feminist hate towards Myron and refuses to research them more for the truth. They just like calling people out of their names without saying anything of substance just like women do.
"you hate guys like this" cause they have an opinion...aww your such a baby lol.
Also, props to Michael for standing up for his mates. That kind of loyalty is hard to find these days. Huge respect for him for doing that.
I feel micheal could have done more. He let him ramble like a female saying, "Myron hates women" without asking him, "How does Myron hate women?". I would like my friends to demand a causality to any derogatory statement made about me. You can't tell me my friends aren't shit on my platform without the context of why you feel that way. My loyalty wouldn't let that dude say what he said without proof.
It's not really that hard, lol. Its
@@rikogreen7596 Myron hates women because he made a book called "why women deserve less." Made a podcast solely on debating 18-19 year olds as a 33 year old man on how women ain't shit, he has kicked out over 100 women from his podcast because of a difference of opinion. Deep down you know if you had a daughter, mother, sister and they said they were going to do a podcast with fresh and fit you would tell them not to do it.
@saadk8905 You are such a liar. 18 to 19 are not the only and far from the average age of women who go on his show. He doesn't debate about how women aren't shit. He debates about interrelationship dynamics, not how women ain't shit. He kicks women out for disrespecting him, fresh, and the show not for a difference of an opinion. There is nothing wrong with "ADULT" men debating "ADULT" women, no matter how young or old. And I would let my daughter, mother, or sister go on their show, and I would instruct them on how not to look stupid. I can't believe how you're just lying and trying to slander them from the lies you have told. This shit is sad.
@@saadk8905W Myron
His feelings are hurt. He can't accept an opposing argument.
Only a simp couldnt understand what myrons saying and try to pass that off as "hate".
Let’s see:
1. Myron has literally said he doesn’t like arguing with women because he feels that all women are inferior to him in every aspect.
2. He has also said that women are only good for sex numerous times.
3. He has dehumanized women numerous times by calling them “creatures.”
4. He has also argued numerous times that no man wants to get to get to know a woman before having sex with her which is a statement that has no backing beyond him and Fresh still being stuck in high school player mode. Most mature dudes outgrow this mentality within 2 years of graduating high school. Myron is in his 30s and he still thinks like a 16 year-old. No excuse.
5. Myron has also argued that all women will abandon standards for rich guys as a way to prepare men whilst actively encouraging men to flaunt their success which I can tell you from experience only attracts gold diggers rather than women you want to be with. There are plenty of women who see that type of display and think, “Wow this guy is a shallow narcissist. I’m going to steer clear of that.”
6. My favorite one: Myron and Fresh had a guy on their podcast who bragged about raping someone and what did they say in response? Nothing. They just laughed about it and kept going. Myron has no problem going after women for body counts and not “submitting” but apparently he doesn’t have the balls to kick someone off his podcast who is bragging about sexually abusing women. That alone showcases what he REALLY thinks of women.
I’m not a male feminist. I find the modern 3rd wave to be filled with holes and I’m traditional in some areas. However, there is a mountain of proof that Myron hates women.
He views them as sex objects, not people. You don’t have to be a simp to recognize a toxic man. Myron clearly has a lot of pent up towards women for some reason. Maybe he got his heart broken a few times in high school and never moved on? Who knows?
However, there is one thing that needs to be said: Myron is NOT a traditional man. He has never been married, yet gives marriage advice whilst also contradicting himself by telling men not to get married. He has gleefully engaged in polys. He does not believe in the importance of male fidelity. He has no standards for a man beyond monetary success and physical fitness instead of actual moral character.
He’s just a shallow, pathetic man child who sees the world through nothing but the lens of greed and lust. It’s really sad.
Who is this male Feminist? Bruh, we've heard the "I'm better than all the other guys" rap a million times.
This guy debating with Michael is just lost. First off, majority of women out there aren't great people, because if they were then the relationships, the dating scene, and marriages wouldn't be in the shambles that they are. Does someone need to remind him what the divorce rates are for women who marry women?
Also, this guy is literally talking about using hook-up culture tactics to lure in women who are looking for stable relationships and then saying that those women are great women? Dude, no. Anyone dude looking to get with a woman willing to give i up on the first date are two people destined for misery. Neither of those people are good people because they're willing to throw things away for a pointless night of self-gratification.
Call it like it is, but there are no good guys in the space that this guy is trying to argue from. And trying to tone police or throw shade at FnF just looks pathetic. I don't agree with everything they say, but FnF are absolutely 100% spot on that they make it known that they are not the good guys; they make it known they are the hook-up culture scumbags and that they teach men how to play the game according to today's rules and that ultimately it's not healthy for society but their methods do work for men who want to engage in that culture. I can respect them for being honest about their intentions and methods instead of this guy here arguing out both sides of his mouth as if what he's doing is a net positive to anybody but himself.
TRUE!
The arrogance was just seething off this dude. I may disagree and not like Myron many times.But i can genuinely tell that this guy is not a good person in comparison to Myron
Dam bro you wrote a whole paragraph.
Facts
F&F is like a broken clock - right twice a day. They are like boys with their attitudes though. They have zero will to fight the cultural problems and make no demands that men take responsibility for their role in the hook-up culture problems. They advocate for men getting 50+ sexual partners before settling down while shaming women for having more than like 5 partners, yet they place all the blame on the women. It's asinine.
They are just being controlled by their sexual desires rather than shifting the dynamics of the sexual marketplace by telling men to keep it in their pants, and thereby force women to bring more to the table than just sex.
Then again, maybe they just do it all for the clicks. Either way, they are not a net positive for society any more than the women they blame for problems with the sexual marketplace.
I bet he wouldn't debate Myron these topics 😂
He would get smoked!
He'd get his ass kicked.
He's obviously not well versed in them, he just doesnt like what Myron says and it is what it is.
Myron wouldn't waste his time on this c u k
Most of these dudes that are whining wouldn’t step towards Myron in real life.
This guy is really trying to put Michael in a box 😂 He is clearly an agent.
The reason Myron’s criticism is more targeted and calculated toward women is because when he criticizes men, we and society as a whole generally accept it and he can move on. When he criticizes women he’s met with denial, cope, and idiots like this running to their defense.
Facts 💯
he smokes his male callers worse than any female. but his guests are mostly accomplished.
No lies detected!
Also because NOBODY ELSE holds women accountable
Micheal, why didn't you hold this mans feet to the fire. This man speaks like a woman. He kept using derogatory phrases of what he thinks Myron does to women, but "NEVER" mentioned a single specific offense. You were taking up for them, but making sure you stayed on that fence of neutrality. This man definitely was trying to slander Myron by saying he hates women but wouldn't say what myron did that looks like hate for women. You never let anyone just throw out names and descriptions without making them explain how they got to that conclusion because we all know it was the short clips with no context why he is so adamant that Myron hates women.
You're wrong about Michael being neutral. He said he's gonna stand by Myron, but that doesn't mean he can't disagree with Myron's philosophy or approach. He even said he's had these conversations with Myron.
Regardless of how he came to the conclusion that he doesn't like Myron, he's allowed to hold that disdain. You don't have to like the same people or agree on everything to be friends with someone.
I wish he would had gave a solid example of why he thinks Myron hates women. I never heard a man say that before that actually watches the shows, it's usually a woman that watches the clips. I know a lot of men who don't agree with everything he says but to say he hates women. If he would had said Myron is rude and disrespectful to women with high body counts, 304's, OF creators or even fat chicks than maybe I can understand his point a little bit.
Telling me you've never seen a fresh and fit episode without telling me you haven't seen a fresh and fit episode.lol😅
He holds women's feet to the flame because not only do they not take accountability, where men do, but they have men explaining their bad behavior away. Just like Mr. Feelings.
This guy "feels" a lot..
HOW DARE YOU assume it's gender ????? LOL
This is a girl
I caught that too 😂
dude just dont like myron, like how many things did he say about myron that just wasnt true, and dude had to correct him on it, and yeah he say feel way too much.
Myron doesnt hate women. He just speaking the harsh truth about dating/relationships in the world we are living in.…btw, bruh needs to stop talking abt how he feels, must his time of the month.
Myron hates Africans.
He doesn't hate them, he's simply agitated with the girls he brings on. They're insufferable, but they serve the purpose of letting the audience see WHAT and WHO they're pedestalizing. I also once believed he was unnecessarily mean, but then i watched Michaels attempt to coddle his female friends AND the atrocity that is the Whatever podcast😬 Now i think being Like Myron makes sense (sometimes)
Facts 💯
Couldn’t he bring on a better class of women? Seems like most of the women are just pushing their social media. They aren’t raiding libraries to find women.
Nah dude genuinely doesn’t like women
Most people, including men and women, are not amazing. When he says most women are amazing he’s lying or just incredibly solipsistic.
Amazing by definition cannot be the majority.
@@sidecharacter7165 I bet you his go to example would be a woman carrying out her biological function.
whenever people try and compare base human female functionality to achievement that actually took individual improvement and ability it always has me looking at it like pandering.
If a women in a coma can give birth then we really need to stop marveling at the function as some great human achievement
@@jasonu3741 True. Is it "amazing" I can produce a ton of sperm?
@@jasonu3741true its not amazing getting pregnant or birthing when we can c section the baby out for you.
you're using the word solipsistic in the wrong context. i believe the word you're looking for is "disingenuous"
Yeah see, Here's the thing about this guy's argument. He's not even MAKING an argument at all. He's literally venting about how Myron's clips and other short forms of content make him feel and is thus venting his emotions whilst moving the goal post. Pepper in some " I'm a cool white knight" statements here and there and you have this guy. Even with him making statements like most women are amazing (which is subjective to the individual mind you), or when he was saying how Myron says things like all women are bad (which Myron didn't say btw), you could tell that the guy did not do his homework before choosing to speak about Myron at all. I'm not gonna rag on dude cause he acknowledged near the end that he wasn't coming correct, but the least, if your gonna put your best foot forward, do so with integrity. Great video and although it was a bit hard to watch for the first 7 minutes, towards the end, it turned out pretty good. Especially the point where it's practically known that outrage, comments taken out of context or edited videos will always get more views.
I don't believe Myron "hates" women. I do believe he has a very high level of standards that most modern women do not meet. I've seen him act very cordial and almost flirtatious with women on FnF who exhibited higher levels of femininity and weren't expressing any desire to be, as Myron would put it---304s. Its just that nuanced difference that you see when someone isn't wishy washy and accepting whatever comes their way, and instead is living the standard they say others should strive for in women and life.
Exactly MYRON is very loving towards his Angie. He treats her like a princess because she has earned it. He just has high standards and low patients for stupidity
Tell him to come on the show and debate Myron
He needs to make a name for himself first before getting that clout from fnf
@@rexqt5337
He already has a name for himself. He is the official #1 Pickup Artist in the world right now.
@@rexqt5337Facts
Tell me you don't watch fresh and fit by not telling me you don't watch fresh and fit
Damn this dude has no idea
what he's talking about
You have noo idea man! this guy Markus is a God when it comes to pickup.
Fresh and fit fans have never been with women. No one who has relationships think fresh and fit know anything about women.
This guy only watches clips & speaks as if he watched FnF in it's entirety he has not once watched the normal show only the after hours.... But just like all the haters out there they can only talk about 7 & 8 because they don't even know 1 - 6 & 9 & 10 exists. Myron has helped more men get their lives together than this guy has but yet he's complaining. Mr Sartain I appreciate the honor & let this dude watch a before hours show so he can stop sounding like the SIMP HE Is, certain women are amazing not all... And so are certain men,but I'd say there are more Good Guys than "Good Girls".
Someone is experiencing ultimate level jealousy. Shame…
You can give the algorithm credit, but the reason why F&F go viral is because it's relatable. Every man has dealt with the women they have on their show and if they haven't they know plenty of men who have. Telling men to get back on the plantation when they know from experience that the plantation is hell will never work.
Myron is a man of precision, it's the algorithm that messes with the levels of your perception of him
Dude have you watched the show. It’s hard sometimes there no talking to the ladies on the show. Not all the time but in most cases you just have to be blunt
No....I don't agree with everything Myron does, or says, but NONE of us can say that others agree, or share the same beliefs/ opinions that we have ALL THE TIME either. What I DO respect most about the F&F podcast is the call for men to be accountable for themselves....
not just in relationships, but financially, physically,& mentally. I see that as a positive.
That guy talks a lot for not knowing the facts.. lol...
I FEEL.
Feelings before reals.
Myron does not have to be entertaining to relay the truth.
Dude feels too much instead of think
@@alextee2005 Gynocentrism has conditioned grown men to FEEL not THINK. 2+2=4 even if Rollo or Mike says it. So is it Myron or 2+2=4?
A grown man saying it feels like? You can't be trusted.
The whole mainstream is hard on men and treats women with kid gloves so somebody has to be hard on women, and Myron seems to be the only one brave enough to do it. The difference too is Myron is also hard on men, but in a productive way that will actually help them succeed in life.
I understand the critique, but it comes off as tone policing. Unfortunately, in the world of content creation, controversy and hate drive the algorithms. Delivering a message, but delivering it harshly, will tick those numbers. The thing I appreciate about Mike, Rollo, Myron and Fresh, and even Donovan Sharpe is that these men, are not afraid to get out there and engage their detractors and critics. How they go about doing it, is as unique to each’s own life story.
His critique is completely invalid and emotionally driven... let's not pretend he had anything valid to say.
They all talk nonsense. Nothing to do with tone. They know nothing about women and the "facts" they give are a misunderstanding of the studies given. As the guy says, they only do well with incels who have never had a relationship, whether romantic or friendships, with women.
This man has zero opposing arguments to myrons message.
His wife's boyfriend must be proud of him
Markus is just concern trolling. The strawman he presents is clear that his research on Myron is limited to shorts
Markus Wolf has never had a girl leave or cheat on him to have that mindset. He's still plugged in
Bringing to light the negative side of female behavior that has been so suppressed and kept from men for so long is not hate. It just shows how pervasive the social programming has effected most men. I spent years trying to figure out why I got into relationships with women, everything is going great and they absolutely destroy the great thing we had by acting a fool. To me one of the most important things a man can do in his life is quench his thirst for sex so he cannot be controlled by sex. I'd hate to see the disaster this mans daughter is going to be and how his woman will treat him. My guess is she will dis respect him when it benefits her to control him.
This guy keeps using the word disingenuous but always referencing Myron as “hateful to women” which is disingenuous in itself because I been watching F&F for a couple years now and it don’t get that impression. Some of these guys only watch small clips they don’t watch in length therefore won’t realise that Myron is holding women especially accountable for many different reasons that they been getting away with for years which then leads to them being so delusional. It’s the men like him who have this simpy mindset that won’t get it. The title WOMEN doesn’t mean you won’t be held accountable as there’s only two Genders irrespective of the new pronoun bullies that been popping up over the few years. Only two Genders and both gotta be held accountable by both there’s no third parties holding us accountable. Animals,mammals,insects,reptiles etc can’t hold us accountable we are the dominant ones. Don’t let that go over your heads
Michael, did you notice this guy responds exactly like the girls from Fresh and Fit. When you tell him the facts, he responds with, 'But I feel like...' (MERCH) 😂
What facts were told here
“Most women are amazing”… to the top 20% of men.
We have to be careful conflating Red Pilll truth and something a Red Pill creator says. They aren't necessarily related.
True. Its the issue trad cons are having with the RP as we speak.
Its always...
Them: "i dont like this advice given by the RP".
Lol the RP doesn't give advice. People do. Who specifically you that advice?
Them: *crickets*
So he thinks its good to hate incels and bad to hate women 🤔
Which is weird from a dude who has to resort to bad tricks to not be an incel. You know women don’t like him for his looks.
I say no to both. Self awareness accountability is the name of the game
Myron would dismantle this guy's points
Basically “yeah you may be right about women sometimes but you need to talk about men just as much”
The entire time he just Head me wanting to say "fuck you're feelings"
"I feel like" idga, what do you THINK about the INFO being provided... ffs
im happy discussions like this are being made. RedPill discourse has become toxic and serves no one- not even men in the audience
This was probably the first neutral or non-negative comment I have seen here. And I scrolled considerably.
While I honestly love seeing michael set the record straight when myron slander gets thrown at him. I think its time for Michael to begin telling the haters that until they actually watch a full podcast where the clip that pissed them off came from they should shut the fuck up.
I don’t know who this other guy is but he is very underhanded. Sartain has to keep going over stuff again and again keeping his cool while this guy tries to shank his friend on camera. He uses “feels” like a woman and acts like a white night. He confuses culture and a different point of view for women hating. I have talked to a woman who claimed to be on the show and she still takes no responsibility for her words and actions both in life and on the show. It is easy to judge someone who is taking shots. I don’t agree with Myron a lot when it comes to red pill but I still see him as necessary. Each figure whether it’s Rollo, Pearl, Sartain, Myron and Fresh back up what they say and take their hits and keep on going. I respect people who aren’t cowards like this joker. I guarantee you he wouldn’t go on Myron’s show or join a panel with Myron on it and talk crap like he is doing here. Myron would destroy him and the dude knows it.
do gooder with a pointer finger ring. Hate watching men like this that virtue signal for how others handle their message. Fresh and Fit do a great job.
06:32 He obviously doesn't watch the daytime show. Myron tells men viewers to level up and not be average, to strive for more money/health/and happiness before even getting married.
Most people see the clips from fresh and fit- the CLIPS make Myron seem like he hates women- the clips are designed for short attention span and to gain views for $$. Watch the whole show and see how it actually is.
Remember that guy in the matrix movie that just wanted a steak? Thats this guy.
Whenever a man uses words like:"You hate women..." I simply cease talking to the individual.
This dudes fundamental problem is that he does not understand the simple law of the internet, which is that:
*_Content creators do not decide which content goes viral_*
Myron is hard on women because NOBODY ELSE has the balls to do it. I personally would be less hard on women than he would but are most of the points he makes about female nature spot on? 100 percent yes. He also doesn't act hard on women for the sake of being hard on women. He wouldn't be any harder on women than he feels he needs to be. Like I said earlier, I think he is a bit extreme at times, but he is a smart guy who doesn't share information that he feels like doesn't help his audience. Plus I think he has a bit of younger, hornier male audience and so he needs to drill the message into their heads harder because they are young men who need to learn.
You can tell when someone doesn’t watch the show when other men accuse Myron of being a women hater! There just haters and jealous he ain’t him!
Tell me you only watch clips instead of full episodes WITHOUT telling me you only watch clips 🤣🤣🤣
Ahhh yes, the typical "woman hate, misogyny" line. Which if followed to it's logical conclusion means "never publicly chastize/criticize women or hold them responsible for anything"
Also "the redpill is wrong " which is really "I don't agree with what this particular guy says, so let me judge the entire school of thought, and everyone involved, based on this one individual"
This shit is getting really old.
The most popular creators talk nonsense. Sure, there might be some decent content out there but the vast majority of what is being consumed is just making their viewers lives worse and society as a whole worse.
@michaelh878 almost as if RP is limited to content creators, and doesn't have an history, or body of knowledge that predates them.
There's a reason why Australia went from a place with fun, cool, laid back, beautiful women to the feminist hell hole that it is now. It's guys like this. It's always the guys
Anyone have a link on the other shows that Myron does?
This is a perfect example of when red pilled meets blue pilled. Mike has facts and evidence and the other guy has his feelings and opinions.
One guy is pretending to know everything whereas the other guy is being careful with his language.
I hate watching Myron with his one trick logic funnel. Even i can acknowledge Myron does way more content than attacking women. It's obvious this dude hasn't spent any time researching what Myron says.
It ok, we understand the guy with a the hoodie is mid transitioning, so he/she is feeling emotional, particularly with how Myron talks to women rather than what is being said !!!
Honestly this is another example of someone talking about someone they only know snippets about
These people in the red pill space that hate on FnF are the same people that only watch Afterhours and ironically say "People shouldn't judge a person without full context"
How can men not be worried when 50+ percent of marriages end in divorce?
Living outside of reality turns you into a zombified NPC.
That dude has a feminist mindset.
Sometimes you just gotta call a beta male a beta. The guy in the hoodie is a beta boy.
I watch fresh and fit and watch more their day shows and they have a call in show they even cuz out supporters way worst then the girls. But guys watch their days shows they helped my credit by alot and made me rethink to start making money on the side besides my main job.
I’ve never seen a grown man cope so hard and hate another man so much… jealous much?
2:40 from here mf a few seconds is true. You’ll feel anger once you realize things you ”thought” were how you should do things turns out not to be true and you realize times you’ve been used.
Once you get to acceptance and take action as a man…life skyrockets.
An evolutionary psychologist did a research seminar at the University I was at. He talked about long term and short term mating strategies of men and women and mentioned that women are very opportunistic, even going as far as to marrying men they don't like or are attracted to. He got numerous complaints by women and simps like this guy calling him a misogynist. He wasn't just some guy who hates women. He backed his claims up with sound statistics and case studies as a scientist should do.
Thank you @Michael
When a dude says "i feel like" he is done.
Myron is much harder on men than he is on women but they don't show those clips out moments. People always judge him on how honest and brutal he is
Why doesn’t this guy talk to Myron directly and stop trying to criticize someone for being his friend!
Myron would dismantle his argument and have him siding with him in the end.
Tone policing. This is an attempt to choke the content at the source by demanding disavowals and division in the manosphere.
This has been going on like clockwork since the early 90s.
And they never get better at it. 😅
Tell this dude to debate Myron
I'll see if we can arrange that.
Myron is practical and people who don't like him usually argue based on their feelings. He tells you as it is but also agrees that this is not ideal but based on how society is today. That is why what he says doesn't sit well with a lot of people.
This guy keeps changing the narrative trying to win the debate... He needs to watch the entire content from Fresh and Fit before talking too much shit. You can see Michael face at 7:36... this is what blue pill do to men. If he thinks that Myron is hard on those girls he needs to watch Myron's rants against men.
Why are people so caught up on how something is said vs the context of the message
This guy is more in his feelings, than the actual girls on F&F geez.
FnF is only show that would open up call line for hater to call in
you can see these guy has never ever seen a single fresh and fit show. he tries to put words in their mouth. what a bastard
Simps don’t send super chats to F&F; they send it to OF
It’s pretty simp like to send money to anyone just to cheerlead them. It’s the same thing.
How to criticize someone without knowing anything about them. Watch this video 😅
Bro lost me at 5% 😂
Why does he assume only incels watch fresh and fit . … married couples watch them too