Calling for Engarde's guilty verdict is the most responsible thing for Phoenix to do, but seeing Phoenix and Miles talking like "well guess you're dead now" and Engarde objecting to his own acquittal is just SO satisfying to see
Oh very much so. After what he put you through it's cathartic to make him beg for his own guilt, after he had been so confident just a few minutes earlier he'd be getting off scot-free.
Yeah, for Phoenix guilty is better, but I feel that for Engarde's story it's better to give him not guilty. He's always gotten what he wanted, and up until this point he wanted to get a not guilty verdict. But now... Now a guilty verdict is a much better alternative than a not guilty one, one he will beg for. And for the first time in his life, not just in spite of but because of his callous, dirty tricks, he will not be getting what he wants in a way that will cost him everything.
The only problem is, I couldn't care less about Matt Engarde, which is a recurring problem with this game. The only new character I cared about was Pearl. The rest, absolute waste of screen time.
when i first played through this game, something i was really blown away by was the back and forth between phoenix and edgeworth in the final case. edgeworth being made aware of maya's desperate situation and cooperating with us to pass the discussion back and forth to buy time really solidified the newfound sense of camaraderie between him and phoenix while also being stressful in all the best ways. you're also the first person on youtube i've personally heard wax sympathetic about franziska and really give her the time of day beyond dismissing her bratty slapstick antics. as a huge fan of her character i super appreciate the analysis
Yes, Franziska gets a really hard rep. Like, is she really that much more of a clown than anyone else in the game? Why does she get the special focus when the only normal person on cast is the protagonist? And that's only after he passed the bar; college Phoenix was a nimrod!
@@swishfish8858 Probably because there's a line past which whipping people crosses from being "funny slapstick" to "committing assault" that exists somewhere before making someone actually fall unconscious that one can't go back after crossing, and despite crossing it she never apologizes nor is ever so much as called out for it, let alone punished for it, and she keeps being on that side of the line even after developing as a character. As far as "silly character quirks" go, Franny's is probably the one with the least widespread appeal. It took me a real long time to warm up to her and even now I really wish she'd grow out of committing assault on a regular basis.
agreed! i don't actually participate much in the wider ace attorney fandom-sphere so i was kind of surprised to hear that disliking franziska was a popular opinion. she's such an obviously fantastic and complex character to me and it doesn't seem fair to just dismiss her as annoying or whatever it is people say. she's really not much more of an asshole than edgeworth is when we first meet him and it hurts me that people don't give her a fair chance like they do other characters.
Yeah, it really made me see franny in a bit of a different light. She may have been raised by von karma, but she is not von karma. and that is important.
As someone who was expected to perfect for so long, I can never listen to Franziska’s monologue without tearing up. it’s hard to realize that failure isn’t the end of the world when it’s all you’ve based your worth on, but learning to be human has so much more joy in it than the alternative.
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I love how readily Phoenix adopts Maya and Pearls into his life, as much as he might grumble on the outside. Essentially becoming an older brother, putting everything on the line for them.
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The idea of Matt Engarde as a formative experience rings very true- I think this was the first time I was ever "tricked" by a videogame who's formula I'd come to depend on. The betrayal hits twice as hard when it feels like the game itself has just stabbed you in the back.
The bit with the Magatama not activating when you ask Matt “Did you kill Juan” is amazing when you think about the wording of the question. It is true that Matt killed no one but obviously he did HIRE the person that actually killed Juan.
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I really like the killers of JFA thematically. Richard killed on a spur of the moment, Ini/Mimi killed for somewhat sympathetic reasons, Acro killed with definitely sympathetic reasons but accidentally killed someone he loved, and Matt ends up being the only client to be actually guilty. It really runs the gamut of the types of killers there are and emphasises the theme of “Justice for all”
you could also say it helps with the twist of matt being unforgivably guilty since we’ve had two previous cases where the accused person has had a reasonable motive that almost makes you feel sorry for them.
@@thebigguy270 yeah, the fact that Adrian motives for framing Matt are like that, also lead one to believe she may have done it at first, it really plays with the player and turns everything on its head
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I really love how consistently obvious the decisive evidence in starting cases are. "Huh, weird that he spelled his girlfriend's name wrong while also having a broken neck." *Ten hours and a spiritual intervention later* "OBJECTION. Her NAME is spelled WRONG."
Yeah that’s what annoy me the most, this should 100% prove that Maggie is innocent. The victim got his neck snap and written the victim name, but no we have to take the long way.
@@positivea9111 That's true, but you can argue this about other cases too. As soon as the photos Lotta took in case 2 are revealed, it should instantly prove Mya innocent (obviously we as players know that she could still be the murderer, and Vin Karma points this out, but the judge does not and thus should not have any reason to think it could be Mya.)
@@AeonKnigh432 I agreed on that but the reason why this one annoys me because it relay simple common sense that the written name was forge, while for trial 2 I feel like they need to understand a bit more about it.
@@positivea9111 a snapped neck doesn't contradict anything, breaking a neck not immediately fatal and doesn't cause paralysis unless the spinal cord is snapped. Bringing up the fact that the victim's non-dominant hand was used to write and the name was misspelled makes the case that the crime scene was altered
You mentioned how you'd wish Max Galactica was a defendant that we could feel more sympathy towards, but I think that, either on purpose or not, the fact that he isn't too likeable prepares the player for having to defend a true dislikeable defendant in the next case. It also helps tricking us more into thinking that "hey, maybe Matt *is* not guilty" since we have a preview experience of defending someone else that was arrogant and dismissive. Either way, thanks for the video, it was great!
i mean besides the whole pdf file thing hes got going on, he didnt seem like such am umlikable character. yes, if i met him in real life the pdf file thing is enough to absolutely not like him, but since nobody in game cared, i will talk about his other character traits. he didnt just get born into show business, he worked on everything himself. and he worked hard to get where he is, and he is very happy with himself which i believe is fair. he is (at least in the french version) just some country guy who wants to pay his dads debt. but he is so displeased how the others dont seem to have that passion he is feeling and that is frustrating and ultimately angering him to a point where he becomes very rude. he isnt the greatest person to have around, but to his fans, maya for example, and to the people that help him, phoenix for example, he can be very nice.
One thing you I think was forgotten or at least should have been included your analysis. Franziska became everything she hated about Edgeworth. She hated Edgeworth for running away, just for her to do the same exact thing. She hated him for helping the enemy, just for her to march proudly back into the courtroom with the one thing that would save Phoenix. She hated him for showing weakness in the court, just for her to be floored by the end of Big Top. And most importantly, she hated Edgeworth for giving up his win record, his most defining trait: Just for her to throw away her whip, her most defining trait. It's some beautiful irony that no other character really replicates in AA.
Turnabout Big Top is such a bummer. There’s so much potential that comes from a murder at the circus, and by extension the character dynamics (Regina’s sheltered mindset, literally everyone hating Max, Acro’s murderous intent accidentally killing the man he respected the most, etc.), but they just don’t build on a whole lot. Instead we spend a majority of it focusing on a creepy love triangle and listening to Moe’s multiple joke testimonies
Definitely agree. Some small changes would have helped the case a lot, a big one aging up Regina. It would have made the love triangle a lot less uncomfortable and made the whole “she should be taking this seriously and not be so happy and childish” have more weight and not just feel like ganging up on a 16 year old for her own special way of coping.
This is precisely how I feel about it. If you look deeply, the case has some incredibly interesting themes and a pretty solid mystery (albeit with a smidge of shaky logic), and an interesting anchor to this absurd cast in Moe - and not many people talk about it. ...But why would one notice that when Moe's testimony in court is agonizing to play through, the investigation segments have one of the most droning tracks to hear on end in the series, and Regina is the center of some of the absolutely creepiest character dynamics I've ever seen??? It's honestly JFA's identity in one case. Some very interesting bits in an incredibly flawed package. It's a bummer when the worst part about the case could've been avoided entirely...
A majority? I just played through TBT recently, and uh, neither the love triangle nor the Moe stuff went on all that long. The p3dophilia doesn't really show up until the last third and that god-awful Moe trial segment only lasted for like two testimonies. Maybe your hatred for those elements occupy more of your mind than the rest of the case, making them look like they take up more space than they actually do? Really the worst part of the case for my money is the cape. The magical, sniper-accurate falling cape that HAPPENED to pin itself to the fucking bust at the perfect angle during the perfect moment. How the Hell is anyone supposed to have figured that out without help?!
@@swishfish8858 TBH I think Ben/Trilo might be the character pushing the Regina thing furthest into ick-territory, and he's entirely relegated to the first investigation & court day. Depending on how much the player finds Max & Bat's interest distracting, yeah it's totally a personal opinion whether it overshadows the rest of the case or not. But Ben/Trilo? 31 is a year off from *double her age* and imo NOTHING about him is plot-relevant enough to keep his ass from being a waste of space. Money needed to steal a shiny thing, but the ring could've been any random item (Regina's wand prop idk).
I especially want to point out her performance for Matt's breakdown, where her voice wavers, a perfect imitation of a manchild's tantrum over not getting what he wants. Chef's kiss. Incredible satisfaction.
"ini miney is a common name" baffled me so much, even with a character like her, i will never forget how absolutely funny and insane that statement is.
@@sorbiii They became lovers again when Edgeworth returned. Imagine the situation when Edgeworth bailed out for a year. Probably he took a year to reassess if he was gay. Poor Phoenix probably had Careless Whisper on repeat for days.
Two things I love about the final case of this game 1: Choosing not guilty for Engarde and have Phoenix and Edgeworth saying “Oh boy, what a reeeeaaaaal shame it is that you’re innocent. Sure would be sad if some assassin came looking for you… Oh well, I’m sure that would neeeeever happen.” And him begging to be deemed guilty in an attempt to save his life. 2: There’s something really interesting about De Killer’s wording. He’d never stop hunting down someone who betrayed him. He wouldn’t even take on another job until they were dead. I’ll leave it at that, however. For the time being, at the very least.
Considering what mister Shelly is doing just after a little more than one year and a month after Matt's trial... Yeah, we can safely assume, that Matt didn't survived for long.
@@dan_man3087 I think it's implied that Matt chose a guilty verdict [probably life in prison?? Or execution, if the way Adrian's stakes are worded is anything to go by] as an alternative to being set free. Staying in prison would at least prolong his life for a little bit.
@@santiagobarreraruiz7280 I mean, in the sense that De Killer would be all but unable to actually penetrate a damn PRISON....though if anyone can, it would be him.
these videos have been my first exposure to ace attorney (outside of meme osmosis), and i have to say it was very scary to be waiting through all of turnabout big top for balloon titty clown girl to show up, only to realize there must be a SECOND CLOWN-THEMED CASE SOMEWHERE IN HERE. WHAT.
The weirdest part about the clown girl is that she's not even part of a fucking circus she barely fits with the type of performer schtick the case is going for and VERY out of place.
I think it would have been clever in Turnabout Big Top if Max, Trilo, and Bat had been vying for a spot in Regina’s act as her performance partner (or something along those lines, perhaps she could have been prepping for a tour and needed an extra member or something), instead of for her affection. You can keep every plot/investigation beat the same that way, even Max and Trilo’s fight, and even find an opportunity for some humor - maybe Phoenix assumes there’s some romantic interest, to the men’s shock, who are like ew she’s 16 that’s weird, she’s just very talented
Another commenter mentioned that it could’ve also been resolved by aging Regina up. It further adds to the whole situation of Regina being so sheltered and having so little world experience.
@@MiloKuroshiro If anything, it would make Acro’s anger towards her a bit more understandable if she’s an “adult” but still acting like a child, as opposed to her literally being a child. Realistically, I don’t think anything is going to make the stuff with Trillo any better, aside from just not including him. (It’s a grown man pursuing someone at least a decade younger, which is still creepy) And her relationships with Bat and Max become more questionable rather than straight-up illegal. Not a perfect solution as there’s still some iffy stuff, but it erases the whole “Adult men preying on a 16 year old child” stuff.
@@missing_name To be fair, the devil lies in between the lines: just technically, almost no-one out of three "suitors" are "in love" with Regina in the fullest sense of that word. Max is mostly viewed her as an accessory to his beautiful... i mean, *fabulous* self for some time(something akin to "we'll look good together, if nothing else" type of marriage), Bat had nothing more than more or less innocent crush on her, and Ben don't like Regina in a romantic sense(he mentions something along those lines when arguing with Trilo about marriage) - he may *act* and *perform* with the Trilo who's a polar opposite of the Ben himself, but in the real life Ben doesn't actually care for Regina. So technically, first one is acting more as an arrogant jerk, second one acting much more innocent than people perceive him(mostly because of the situation with other two guys) and the third one mostly practicing his routine and playing an act for Regina, if nothing else. The main issue is Regina's age. We should address that the game is in Japanese origin, where the consent age was MUCH lower until just recently(or they only considering it just now) - just 13 years old. That's the main reason why Regina being 16 is more or less normal in the original setting, but grating to many others outside of Japan. So in conclusion, i think that the main "love triangle\square" should remain as is(maybe a slight adjustments here and there to flesh out the points i talked about earlier even more). But i do agree that localizers should have adapted Regina's age to more western standards and upped it at least to the legal 18 years old. That wouldn't be much of a problem to do so.
@@dan_man3087imo Regina and Bat should’ve both been 19. Everything about Bat that’s presented shows him almost as immature as Regina, which should leave him at a comparable age to her, and cement Acro in the responsible older brother role. It even makes their relationship almost cute in being childhood friends growing up.
3:10:30 On the one hand, Juan did have a loving relationship with Celeste, Something you can't say about Matt. But, you can be sure that he did love Celeste, he hated Matt more. Enough to dump her, and use her death to destroy Matt. He's not as bad as Matt, but when you have to ask yourself who's worse, Juan or an assassin for hire, you know you've hit rock bottom...
Juan’s hatred for Matt reaches astronomical levels of shitty when it’s revealed the Juan forged Celeste suicide just to be able to stick it to Matt at a later date.
that's something im also thinking about a lot more recently. the two of them are just misogynistic assholes who considered their stupid beef more important than the well-being of the woman they supposedly loved. i wish the case had leaned a bit harder into villainizing corrida almost as much as engarde because he definitely deserved it.
I really like the name pun for Morgan, referencing Morgan Le Faye, King Arthur's evil aunt who manipulates his son into rebelling against him. It really sets up from the start to look sideways at everything this woman does.
It's actually really surprising that despite Ace Attorney being a popular series and having a lot of memes overseas there isn't much serious content regarding those games excluding let's plays of course, so I am really happy that Nezumi decided to dive into this! I hope it spurs other creators to do similar reviews, however this one has so much love and research put into it that I doubt it can be topped. P.S. I recently watched an essay on Ghost Trick, which is even more underrated and deserves so much love. If anyone's reading this please go check it out! It was DS exclusive for a long time but it's finally coming to modern consoles and PC (it's on Steam), you really won't regret it if you like the type of games Nezumi did videos on in the past as well as AA (they have the same creators). Love ya, keep doing you girl, you do it good.
This is just my take, but please never apologize for not refusing to engage with child predation as a slapstick narrative device in these analyses. As you justifiably pointed out about Moe - silence is complicity. We've spent way too long being mildly uncomfortable with depictions of it everywhere, but not enough to condemn it. And while video games aren't responsible for irl violence by any means, media is very much a factor in shaping attitudes and broader narratives imo. So I can't tell you how much I appreciate that you refuse to suspend your disbelief on this and reflect on it numerous times in every video that calls for it. Honestly, thank you. ❤
38:20 It's not just that her body was used to kill a person. Since ghost are not just a belief, but a reality, that would be considered technicality. Maya is upset because she couldn't control the spirit. A strong medium would be able to stop the spirit from murdering a person, severe the spiritual connection. Her failing to do so is a continuation of her plotline from Turnabout Goodbyes, while also reaffirming Pearl as a better candidate for the master position. At least that's how I read it, and obviously it's all a devious plan by Morgan
I thought a spirit medium is supposed to be completely unconscious while channeling, not even able to dream. How’s an unconscious person supposed to control anything?
@@Dash123456789Brawl If there weren't any failsafe measures, no sane person would actually try that mediation technique. There has to be a way for a medium to force a spirit out. It is my guess, but one derived from deduction. How can they do it without them being conscious? IDK, it's magic...
@@Dash123456789Brawl I mean... she might be able to unconsciously do that... Let's take a moment to assess the channel ritual: The channeler and the client are together in a locked room with tue only key to the lock. You NEED a way to stop evil spirits from doing evil things. You NEED some sort of protection. It might be a spirit severing technique, it might be the pre channeling ritual. Whatever measures taken, in Maya's mind at that moment, she failed, and her body did the murder. It has to be this way. There is no way to refute the existence of spirit channeling, so if there wasn't any way to take responsibility, the court wouldn't be able to prosecute Maya. She didn't do it, a ghost did. At best you could try to prove she wasn't possessed by a spirit and faked the whole thing. In conclusion - Maya thinks it's her responsibility because under normal circumstances, it would have been. Therefore there is some way to control or limit the spirit's actions
I'm surprised that you didn't mention Shu Takumi being a magician himself, which would explain all the magic references that show up in the series. (I'm writing this at the end of the Big Top segment, so maybe you mention it later on) The love triangle was entirely to set up "Money likes shiny things! Let's bring an engagement ring for him to steal, then we can prove he stole the bust!". Like you, I much prefer how the anime does the case - Max as union organiser!
Something that I really love about the narrative of this game in particular is how it lulls you into a false sense of security and routine. As mentioned in the video, we’ve defended every client up this point and acquitted people who are actually innocent, but in this game especially they make the second and third case killers somewhat sympathetic on purpose. Excluding the first case since it doesnt really fit the theming I have in mind (and it’s just generally my least favorite intro case in the series), Mimi Miney and Acro both commit seriously messed up murders, however they give you enough information on their backstories and motivations that even if you can’t forgive them for what they did, you can understand how they got to the point of committing murder. So when you get to the fourth case and you’re learning all about Adrien’s co-dependency, her traumatic backstory, and everything else, the game has instilled it in you up to this point that yeah, even the extremely traumatized and sympathetic characters aren’t safe from being the murderer. I love the way that the game uses our preconceived notions about defendants and criminals to completely mess with our perception of both Engarde and Adrien in this case. It’s part of the reason why Adrien is my favorite non-main ace attorney character. I know JFF is polarizing for a lot of people, and justifiably (get it) so, but I think it’s my favorite of the original trilogy regardless of its faults.
i think this game might actually be my favorite, i love having both franziska and miles in one game and i love the music more than either game before or after tbh
I did the exact same thing when I went into the game blind with my two friends, the german accent for her makes my favorite lesbian lawyer stand out so well
I love the dialogue when you pledge "not guilty" with a smile on the face; and Matt suddenly breaks on pure terror and says that he's guilty and wanted to be convicted.
Sidenote: _This is the first time I've viewed the "Guilty" option at the end of Farewell, My Turnabout._ *_"Not Guilty" is just too satisfying. Engarde had his cake, ate it and will choke on it as a result!_* _However after viewing, I've gotta agree with you now._
One thing that amazes me to this day is Matt’s engarde twist of being the client of shelly the killer. At the start of the case phoenix asks Matt if he killed Juan and he saids no while no psyche lock appears giving us a false sense of security and the game making us think Matt is just another innocent client. Great writing honesty
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@@fruustles The first AJ case is fire. The last case has the most egrigious plotholes in the franchise so I just can't love it as much as other people seem to (Lamiroir gets shot in the head, then decides to run away from home while being shot, somehow winds up in a foreign country, and only THEN suffers sudden amnesia and forgets she can speak English. Uh- whut? )
Agreed On one hand 2-4 is UNIVERSALLY ACLAIMED as being one of the if not THE best case on the franchise. ... the issue goes with the other 3 cases, and how one AMAZING case won't suffice if the rest of the game doesnt hold up and is kinda weaker than the past game (2-2 is a adquired taste case; 2-1 is often regarded as THE weakest "tutorial" case, and being an amnesia plot doesnt help the case AT ALL; and 2-3 is 2-3)
The right shoulder bullet thing is also really intresting when you realise that in AA1 you only see a karma at the end of the game but in here you see a karma in every point except the end Cool detail Also that it reverses the first game where Edgeworth is the main prosecutor until the end and now a karma is the main one until then end when the 2 switch roles
One thing I really love about this game is how it changes client and killer roles in this game. In the first game it's pretty cut and dry that the biggest asshole is the killer (Sahwit, Redd White, Vasquez, Von Karma, Gant) and that your clients are all fairly nice people with the exception of Lana and kind of Edgeworth. In this game the killers are a lot more sympathetic and while you can't agree with their actions you feel sad that they got to such an extreme point. Mimi and Acro stick with me so much because I liked that their motives for killing aren't just "someone got in my way so I killed them." Acro especially gets me when he says he's just a murderer because you can tell his grief and anger towards Regina has turned him into a man he doesn't want to be. I also like Max a lot because he's the first client IMO that's just a total asshole and I would believe he did do it. One of the reasons I actually really like Big Top is because Max, the guy everyone knows is an asshole, is the innocent one and Acro, the seemingly nicest and most caring one, is the killer. This game really makes Phoenix job a lot more interesting than in the first game where he was just always with the nicest people and against the worst kinds of people. This leads to Farewell, My Turnabout (my favorite case of the trilogy) where he actually defends someone who isn't really innocent and he juggles with what he should do, especially when Maya is at stake. Engarde's evil personality really through me because after Max I thought his secret was gonna make him a jerk but he'd still be innocent but with his twist it really pushes Phoenix and makes the series so much more interesting. It helps that Max was a pretty bad person to make us believe that Engarde could be dealing in some shady business and it's why I think Big Top has more importance than Case 3's like Samurai
You put into words exactly how I can see the strength in making Max a jerk. I think it does a lot of good thematic work that defending deeply unpleasant people being part of the job sometimes might make Phoenix wonder why he took this job. Unfortunately that isn't exactly reflected in the way the game treats Max's actions, so whatever message is supposed to come through whichever way you go, it's conveyed very messily. Mixed feelings about that entire case.
Would just like to comment to say that the voice acting for the Matt Engarde reveal scene was absolutely top notch! The sharpness in the voice is fitting, the cadence is perfectly laid back for how cruel Matt is, and his villainy was portrayed masterfully. The whole video is great all around, but I wanted to complement you on this part in particular for how it blew me away.
Something I feel like doesn't get mentioned QUITE as often as the other disappointingly frustrating aspects of Turnabout Big Top is the fact that, at the end of the day, Acro was trying to murder a child.
Also, something that bothers me to no end...this child is someone that means the world to the man he respects and loves. Acro uses his debt to the ringmaster as a way to claim that he would never want to kill him...but he *will* murder the one the ringmaster loves most? The person he loves enough to shield to the point of complete innocence?
You act like children can't be totally monsters. In this case he is devastated, that she acts all happy about it, she took the most important things from him, his brother and his profession. Even more aggrevating is, that nobody make her clear she did it. He is a completey wildfire of emtions and so the tradegy happened. Totally understandable, that he hates her.
Regina's sin here is that she's woefully naïve about the world, and that's deliberate on the part of her father, who kept her sheltered for her whole life. He also likely didn't discipline her enough, since she didn't face any consequences for her actions, and otherwise she would have been self-aware enough to the extent of which her "prank" would be fatally dangerous, and she would at least feel some guilt over her actions. Marcie brings it up at the start, but it is a shame that Pearl isn't more present during Turnabout Big Top. We could have had interactions between Pearl and Regina, and there would have been such a stark parallel between how these two girls were sheltered by their parents. We see the damage that this has done on Regina, and we would therefore see what could have been Pearl's future if things had turned out differently.
I completely agree about the anime. The show is at its best when it covers original stuff, not only in regards to things like original cases and one-off episodes, but also parts of in-game cases that aren’t really explored in-game. I love being able to see things like Phoenix’s tiny apartment and the city surrounding the offices and courthouse.
I feel like the first case had an easy solution - have it so Pheonix is in the Mia position - have him mentoring another lawyer. To make sure the stakes are low it could be a mock trial, or it could be for something... not a murder?
That would mean introducing a new playable lawyer character, something that would've added another character to write for cuz theres no way they would have a new lawyer character being mentored by Phoenix and NOT have them be an important character or main character of some sort.
@@friendbreakfast no? i’m saying they would be more of a shadow - Phoenix would still be lawyering but explaining himself and the mechanics to another character
This would be cool but I do think Pheonix is still too much of a fledgling lawyer to mentor someone else at this point in the story, he doesn't really come into his own until trials and tribs
Somehow the Regina love triangle thing never bothered me because: 1: I was 12 to 13 at the time I first played it, so the difference between a 16 year old and a 22 year old wasn't all that clear (they were both pretty much adults to me). 2: I somehow bought into the idea that Trilo really was his own entity, wacky-cartoon style, so Ben being 30 wasn't relevant. I didn't worry about the implications there, just as I didn't worry about the implications of letting an 8 year old child run all the way from Kurain to the courtroom.
my real quick hot take is that Justice For All should've been the Third title, switched with Trials and Tribulations. I always forget that JFA is the second game because the title just reads as appropriately "final-sounding"
Agreed! Besides what you said, I can never keep their titles straight in my mind because you ought to face tribulations in the middle of a journey, towards your ultimate goal, ‘justice for all.’ It makes a lot of narrative sense that way. I just can’t internalize rationale for them to be named the way they actually are. This has been a recurring minor inconvenience for me for years!
Also JFA as the third title could've been a neat bit of foreshadowing for the introduction of Apollo in the fourth game (not that this would've been Takumi's intention if he DID title it like that, but still)
The opening case in JFA is the worst opening case in the entire series but the second and finale are some of my favorites in the series. Also there's been plenty of criticisms towards Turnabout Big Top for the last 2 decades but the things that stuck out the most for me has always been Russle Berry seemingly being okay with multiple adults wanting to date his 16 year old daughter and the other thing is Acro being the worst sympathetic villain just for how shortsighted his plan was for many different reasons.
i've heard some people suggest that russell was in fact not okay with max and trilo/ben wanting to date his daughter since we never actually hear it from his mouth and all we have to rely on is max claiming after russell died that he had his blessing to marry regina. this has no actual evidence supporting it and is really only a pipe dream that offers some peace of mind (because who wants to accept that this dude was letting grown men creep on his teenage daughter) but like, take it as you will lol. also with acro, it's weird because i really do appreciate his tragic story and eventual graceful admission of guilt, they're very striking and there aren't many aspects of big top that work for me aside from those. but they sort of fall flat when i keep returning to the fact that he...had a murderous grudge against a child?? he wanted to kill a CHILD?? the general concept of misdirected rage as a result of a tragic accident leading to a misguided attempt at revenge is very compelling, but i can't really take it at face value when the target of said revenge is a minor, and a very naive one at that. it's like we're supposed to feel bad for acro (and i do, to an extent) and accept his targeting of regina as like, a somewhat reasonable response to the situation. he acknowledges his own mistakes and poor decisions in the end but it just feels awkward to consider the fact that this grown man's first reaction to what happened was to look at this dumb innocent teenage girl and go "yes she needs to die"
@@cometgravity Honestly my basis for thinking Russell Berry was okay with multiple men wanting to date his daughter was partly from the fact he raised his daughter into having an extremely naive worldview for a girl that's 16 so I assumed his world view was at least somewhat naive too. I couldn't help but be so hung up on Acro's motive especially for the fact he could've talked about it to Regina herself or Russell but it seems it was never mentioned whether or not he tried talking about how he feels about the whole incident to anyone. Also I found it weird how nobody brings up this would've emotionally destroyed Russell which is a pretty messed up thing for Acro to do to the man took him and his brother in. Also knowing everything that happens in that case, Acro could've easily been labeled as the only suspect if he actually succeeded in dropping the bust on Regina. Not to mention that Moe would've seen the bust being pulled up without a cape and it would've been immediately game over for Acro before the body was discovered. Though despite having an extremely shortsighted plan that backfired in the most tragic way possible for him, Acro isn't the worst sympathetic villain since that title goes to a certain culprit in the sequel trillogy.
@@jaxsterminator8634 It's needlessly drawn out with contradictions that are way too obvious. The game has no thematic reason or commentary for why the police work in universe was that bad.
Yeah I can’t thank you enough Marcie for everything. By the craziest of coincidences I ended up also completing JFA on the day this was uploaded just like with the first game. And I was especially looking forward to your overview of Farewell My Turnabout because of just how eloquent and outstanding you are at telling any stories and conveying those most poignant and powerful emotions. You always move me and impact me with all your unforgettable VA performances and excellently well written writing that really speaks to me. I just can’t thank you enough for continuing to inspire me and I greatly look forward to Trials and Tribulations.
I hope we get more Gumshoe in the next game, if we ever get one. I hope he's a big goofy dad and his animations involve him parenting his hyper kids. He's such an unbelievably kind person in this game and I miss his presence terribly and I think the "in over his head but still a good dad" character archetype would suit him amazingly as a way to show the passage of time.
I fully agree on the soundtrack. There's a certain tense vibe unique to this game, which really plays into the final case's atmosphere. Also it 100% has my favourite Tell the Truth theme in the series. I think only the investigations games can contest it.
Honestly the variance in the soundtracks is one of my favorite parts of the series. I don't know if it was intentional, but having different composers on almost all of the games was honestly a fantastic choice. Every game is given a slightly different tone due to their musical identity that allows them to stand out and feel recognizable. JFA might be one of my least favorites over all, but it's undeniable that it has its own distinct energy. Some of these tracks are so iconic it's honestly surprising that they're original to this game.
It’s my favorite main series version of the theme for sure, but I think my overall favorite is the one from GAA. It has an enormous amount of gravitas to it. Also the Spirit of Justice one, but that comes down to a very specific moment in that game so I think it’s less the music and more the context I think of there.
I also really like the more somber pieces here such as the cross examination theme which matches the more tragic cases present here such as Mimi Miney, Acro, and Adrian Andrews
Honestly the Pursuit themes in JFA and AJ are some of my favourite Pursuit themes in the game's series. I get a lot of people saying that with the former the tension it brings makes it feel like it was only made for the Engarde case but I really like it overall because instead of invoking that sense of triumph, it's more of a tense resignation to keep on pushing even though you may not like what you find out at the end of it. Overtaken is loud, bombastic and quite fast paced, pairing well with Apollo as a character, crying shame it was used so rarely as compared to the Tell The Truth theme which might as well have taken over every court case there as much as I like it as well.
People are crazy, I love the second game! That moment when Franzika busts in at the end always gets me to cheer out loud and the farewell scene with her at the airport always chokes me up
I feel like Regina being an 18 year old is a missed oportunity for A) NOT BEING A CREEPY LOVE TRIANGLE and B) Giving us another 18 year old girl that Maya compares herself to: while Franziska is "mature" for her age, Regina lives in Wonderland but has a very clear idea of where she belongs and who she is
I feel this was a poor translation job. Not saying I in any way endorse this, I do not. But in japan it’s not uncommon for 16 to be the “coming of age” age. It’s above the legal age of consent. I think they were supposed to age Regina up to 18, but forgot. That said, how and where it was written, regardless of how it should have been translated, isn’t as creepy or unusual as it is in the English version
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@@AnakhaSilver yes, i feel like an age after 20 would really help her. while 18 is definitely less weird than 16, it is just the typical "look it's legal so it's morally ok" while 18 to 31 still seems like a very creepy relationship to me. 20 or above makes more sense bc it feels more like a real adult, not just "she's 18 so its free real estate babyyyy". and they wouldnt even have to change anything about her character since she was sheltered all her life.
I know it’s kinda cheesy but that ending speech you gave for Reunion and Turnabout at 1:11:16 genuinely hit very close to home for me, and it was really sweet. AA as a series means a lot to me, and these videos do such an amazing job at bringing them to justice (no pun intended). Excited to see what else you do, awesome video as always!!!!
i agree with you on this game, the lows are quite low but the highs are so fucking high, i've never played anything like case 4. the perfect storm of everything unravelling around you and even with both prosecutors teaming up to drag the proceedings out as long as possible you still only _barely_ keep your head above water the whole way through, the desperation is palpable. also i love the way you write and edit your summaries, they do an exellent job of guiding you through a first time player's thought process even if you know exactly what's going to happen
Oodly enough, I was raised in the same way as Franziska and Miles, by a Malignant Narcissist, so I understand how Miles felt before and how Franziska feels now. Manfred is a Narcissist plain and simple. Manfred *did* abuse them. And they (Miles and Franziska) are learning how to heal and are, in a way, are learning to lean on each other. I’m *very proud* of the both of them. And of Phoenix, as I continue to walk along my own healing journey. I’m proud of them all when I watch this, even though I know they aren’t real, those emotions are real.
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what you had to go through really sucks. you seem to be in a better place now tho, so i hope you can stay on that path and live your life the way you wanna.
If i had a nickel for every time maya was accused of murder in the 2nd case of an ace attorney game i would have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened twice
44:40 omg when you compared Franz to Vegeta it struck a cord with me bc i NEVER realized how similar they are in that aspect, and it just made so much sense to me in that moment because like. They are my favorite character type and it just was like a “omfg” moment that theyre also my favorite characters in their respective media’s
The themes of working together and bonds in the final case- heck the whole game is f-ing spectacular. Every case sort of has that theme. It was Maggey's bond with Dustin resulting in the special glove that was able to do Wellington in, and it was his ties with the gang of criminals that drove him to commit murder in the first place. It was Mini's bond with her sister and watching her die is the thing that destroyed her life leading her to work together with Morgan to pull off that murder. It was Acro's monkey that was able to get him the bust to cause the murder and the whole circus not being able to communicate properly is what drove him to murder in the first place. And the final case, oh my god the final case. The thing that does Matt Engarde is his inability to trust anyone but himself, and the working together of literally everyone we met so far. Engarde was only done in because he couldn't trust Shelly. If he didn't make that blackmail tape, he would've gotten away with the whole thing, but Engarde is just such a conniving selfish person he literally couldn't imagine being able to trust an assassin because "that's how the world works." But he's wrong, and his downfall is a united force. Phoenix and Edgeworth figuring out the whole thing, Franziska getting the last pieces of evidence from Gumshoe, Gumshoe who was hot on De Killer's trail the whole time, Pearl recognizing Shoe and being able to keep channeling Mia throughout the whole trial, Mia being able to give information about Maya's location, and Maya channeling Mia in the first place. Everyone is working together to bring this one despicable man down and everyone plays an important part. (AND IT HANDLES THIS A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN A CERTAIN CASE COUGH COUGH TURNABOUT ABLAZE) This even ties back into Phoenix sort of developing a martyr complex and him learning that he alone can't save everyone. The final piece isn't him presenting a piece of evidence to the court to turn an entire case around, it's him presenting a piece of evidence to an assassin to get his help. He says it himself in the intro, he is just a lawyer, but he alone is just a lawyer. With all of his friends and allies he has made along the way, he is more than just a lawyer. He's a bright beacon of justice. Truely, a phoenix rising from the ashes.
One of my most favorite lines in the game is the tile after the murder of the doctor while observing the metal door. "The door is made of metal but we broke it down, I guess it couldn't take the PHOENIX!"
For what it's worth, even though I also prefer the pixel art, the HD art doesn't have scaling issues, and the redraws are at least on big enough objects that it doesn't look too bad, to me anyway. I think the biggest issue is that a lot of the shading looks weird, and some of the shapes seem off, but overall the art seems fine. I wouldn't worry about it too much either way. Great vid as always! I feel you on Turnabout Big Top. I never really thought it was *that* bad other than the obvious squicky elements.
I love franziska not because she saved the day at the end, nor for her relationship with Edgeworth, but her clear moment of empathy that no one else gave Adrian. Franziska is the only one that truly cared about Adrian's feelings and the importance of keeping her secret. She told Adrian not to say anything in court not because she wanted to be an asshole, but because she genuinely wanted to protect her. She even reaches out to her after the trial. I think at that point she legitimately tried to change.
I went to a university where my major (computer science) was considered part of the engineering program, so one of my graduation requirements was an "engineering ethics" course. The midterm and final "exams" were basically just "pick a couple of these ethical dilemma prompts and write about what you think would be the Right Thing To Do in this scenario." However, we also had the option of *submitting* a dilemma prompt for others to answer, and if the professor accepted and used it then we'd get credit for that and not have to answer one. (The idea being that the point of the class was to get us thinking about ethics, not to teach us a set of universal Right Answers and Wrong Answers.) I took this course in the spring of 2007, which means the North American release of Justice for All came out right at the beginning of the semester, and apparently I wasn't the only Ace Attorney in the class, because one of the dilemmas we had to choose from for the final was literally just 2-4. The prompt even referred to the game by name.
it's very funny to me that the most disliked of the original trilogy is my favorite one lol, i think people are blinded by their hatred of the circus case but in my opinion farewell my turnabout is so good it more than makes up for that trainwreck. on top of having my favorite case in the series (the aforementioned farewell my turnabout), jfa features my favorite prosecutor, franziska von karma. that probably explains why it's my favorite haha
It’s not just Big Top that has people feeling colder to this one. The first case is pretty weak too, and Francizka is definitely a matter of taste. Personally, I really didn’t like her going through this game and her antics with the whip grated on my nerves. So between having only two good cases and a prosecutor that frustrates people, there’s valid reasons to call this one the weakest of the trilogy. It’s certainly worth playing, but it’s undeniably flawed.
I initially chose to sub to this channel during the dangaronpa retrospectives. Despite playing all the games you have mentioned, these videos feel like i'm experiencing the game all over again as I never looked at them the same way you did. These videos are what keep me around on the internet despite my overwhelming dislike for the environments on here. It was so easy to ignore the non case Dialog in Ace Attorney when I was a teenager, when I was so ignorant of the world and the things I constantly missed out on. Watching these videos helped me to realize that I focus too much on the destination and ignore the small things. Thank you NezumiVA, I may have never noticed these things about my life without the retrospectives. It doesn't matter how many subs you have, the quality and dedication to your content speaks louder than any number can.
I recently finished listening to the AA1 retrospective for a second time so this is perfect timing. Super hyped Post premire edit: I had to go to bed so I missed getting to experience the glory of 2:54:27 - 2:58:58 with everyone else in the premiere chat
One of the things I found really interesting when it came to the later games is that Max kinda gets forgotten as the very first magician character in the series to be introduced, and is supposed to be pretty famous if not the most famous iirc. The fact that this doesn't get brought up or mentioned at all whenever the Troupe Gramarye (or Arumajiki depending on your preferences) business goes into full swing is probably one of the biggest missed chances in my opinion to do some connected storytelling between the OG trilogy and The AJ trilogy. Though it may just be possible that Shu wanted to forget about Turnabout Big Top for a number of reasons and just chose not to do so. Once again, killer job with the the video and great voice acting as always. You nailed me at the end with Franziska and Edgeworth. I legit can't wait to hear you try and bring a certain vile villainess to life in T&T given how much people praise her as one of Ace Attorney's greatest villains and eagerly await the video.
I love the parallels between Pheonix and Edgeworth, even down to their supports. In a way, Manfred con Karma and Franciska are like a bizzaro version of Mia and Maya Fey respectively. The parallels to Maya and Franciska are much stronger, where they both serve as surrogate little sisters to Pheonix and Miles. Maybe I'm reading too far into it, but I'm open to hear more for anyone whose gone further into character studies with them. I only played the game once, so I can only go off of first impressions...
One of my favorite details is that, despite liberally applying her whip to basically anyone who slightly inconveniences her, Franziska never hits Pearl with the whip. As ruthless as she is, she's not cruel enough to attack a child
So so excited for this video !! Rewatched your last Ace Attorney Analysis twice, I’m obsessed with your voice acting and reviews of such a beloved series and this one’s going to be another hit !!!!
I really appreciate you taking a short detour to talk about Big Top's Anime depiction. I do need to mention Samurai's anime version as well, it's not too different, but it fleshes out and humanizes alot of it. And of course, thank you so so so much for this whole video, it was such an amazing experience from start to finish.
First, this video made me cry twice and both times it was because of an emotional moment in the game you voiced over. Secondly, Justice for All is a mixed bag for me. It has one honestly bad and not very memorable first case, a very good second case, the definition of “Third Case Syndrome”, and my favorite final case. It’s definitely one of my least favorite games in the series. It may have a lot of mid to bad to WHY parts, but it takes its great moments and runs with them, especially in the final case. The OST is also very good with some of the songs I feel are very underrated.
Pinned comment question: What do you *you* think is the most underrated sequel? (Of anything, not just Ace Attorney!) Edit: If you’re going to comment about my complaints with Big Top, please save yourself some time and don’t bring up the age of consent in Japan. I don’t think it makes it any less creepy.
I know not many people have played either, but for me it'd be Chaos;Child, sequel to Chaos;Head, as well as Xenosaga 3. Both are some of my favorite games of all time but a lot of people dismiss them without really giving them the chance I believe they deserve.
For me its xenoblade chronicles 2. Its very much loved by many, but a lot of people hated the more anime-esque art style, among other more understandable reasons. But despite its absolutely insane run-time, I've played it like 4 times and I still love it with all my heart.
Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil. Some people don't even know Klonoa had a sequel (before the compilation released, at least), and I think it's an improvement in pretty much every field. Level design is improved, some new enemies allow for some really cool gimmicks, I like the soundtrack more than the original (Stepping Wind is the Klonoa fanbase's national anthem), and I adore how the story ties back to the original game's ending. I'm really glad more people know about it.
For ace attorney, I’d definitely say Spirit of Justice; it’s not perfect but it’s super consistent (even the filler case is short and entertaining) and very fun
AWWW YEAH I'm so excited! The AA1 video blew me away with the phenomenal script and perfectly timed edits (I can only imagine how many gruelling hours of writing and editing these take), I can't wait to either binge this in one big, exciting flurry, or savour it slowly in delectable pieces
About the sprites discourse, I think it's mostly a matter of "which sprites did you discover the series with ?" I, for instance, have discovered the series with the HD sprites, and I largely prefer the HD sprites. I don't hate the pixel sprites, but I find them a little too pixelated for their own good.
The only thing I'd consider better in the pixel sprites is the shading. For a lot of the HD sprites it ends up looking way too smoothly blended when it shouldn't be. However, that's easy to ignore. I like that the details in the HD sprites are more clear and I think they just generally look better.
this was an incredible episode!! it's a wonderful experience learning about such a big series and caring about characters i may never have considered. the final trial had me choked up and so emotional. i can see just how much love and care you poured into this (and all of your videos!) and it's an incredible result- thank you, marcie!!
the last investigation sequence of farewell my turnabout is literally my fav sequence of the entire trilogy thus far. Engarde's complete 180 in personality and speech, Andrews's chilling words about Juan and how she felt no remorse defiling his corpse, the emotional message from Maya on the picture frame she left in the wine cellar, and Phoenix's own ever-raging internal conflict all come to ahead and it is so powerfully engaging from front to back. Just finished this game yesterday and I will be thinking about it for a LONG time to come that's for sure. Very excited to start T&T !!! (Also, awesome retrospective! I really look forward to watching these videos every time I finish a game to relive the experience again after it's over. Great stuff! :))
Amazing video Nezumi, though I will say one thing really itched me about this. You say that Manfred Von Karma didn't go to the hospital only to avoid the humiliation of surgery but I always thought the reason he didn't go to surgery was so he didn't have anything to implicate himself in the crime. This is because the bullet being lodged in his shoulder is the only thing placing him at the crime scene so he decided not to leave a paper trail with the hospital, not expecting that years later that connection would be revealed by a scrappy attorney with a metal detector.
Bit of a slip on my part, lol, my intention wasn't to say that was the _only reason_ he didn't go, just contrasting the differences in situations. It was that perfectionist nature that led him to those circumstances, he wouldn't have had to hide a murder if he didn't feel the need to commit one, which was spurred from that "stain" on his record from Gregory, etc. If that makes sense! Franziska doesn't have to hide a murder, of course, but while she hasn't taken her losses well, she didn't continue further down that path, the bullet is just a good aesthetic representation of that diverging path to me. Could've probably made that clearer, though.
I replay all the Ace Attorney games every couple years, and in my latest replay in 2020, I named JFA my favorite in the trilogy. Great cast, great cases, great overarching plot. It's an improvement on AA in every way- perfectly perfect, as Franziska might say. I adore JFA, and look forward to hearing what you think about it.
Despite beating the game more than once in the past, when I got to THAT decision in JFA I spent like 10 minutes staring at my DS and having an existential crisis. That's how good this game is.
Tbh when I started playing the first game I thought "It would be a nice case concept if they made Phoenix be forced to defend a guilty party and see how he would deal with it". Then I started Farewell, my turnabout. Then Im like...omg this is happening...
Outstanding video. It's one thing to recap the events of the game but to do so in a way that convays the feeling of a first playthrough is just masterful. Your presentation and performance are so good that I teared up multiple times during the final case.
This actually is my first Phoenix Wright game, and I thought it was great. The first case felt a bit slow, but the second one was great. Third case was actually pretty fun for me since I was young enough to not notice anything about the age and everyone looks anime anyways so age wasn't really a consideration for me - it was just a standard love triangle, but the killer's solemn atmosphere got to me. And don't even get me to the final case - the reveal, the choice, and the tension, it was all such WTF moment to me that I was immediately a fan.
So I believe that Big Top is a low point for the series, but im actually willing to defend the cloak snagging on the bust. If you try to solve it from a physics angle, I agree its unreasonable to expect someone to come to that conclusion. However, I do believe it's solvable given what you already know. You know that Max took off his his cloak when talking to the ringmaster, you know that someone was seen walking in the cloak towards the crime scene, you know that Moe saw what looked like a cloaked Max floating up in the air, and you know it was Acro dropping the bust that killed the victim. I actually remember putting it together as a kid and feeling kind of proud, but I do concede that a lot of people wouldn't jump to that conclusion.
Also, am I the only one who didn't mind Turnabout Big Top all that much? It has some really low points but the emotional strength of it imo really saves it from the trash heap. The Berry Circus family dynamic is so touching and the truth of the case is surprisingly sober and sad. The Regina stuff is... yeah, unnerving, but it never really goes anywhere in the end, so it's... not as bad as it could've been. I do remember rolling my eyes at it often. That said, Farewell My Turnabout is still my most favoritest case in the whole trilogy. It's so grand and tense and perfectly paced. It's got that action movie cheese coupled with some genuine excruciating emotional tension.
I like it fine, always found the romance subplot as an excuse for dumb jokes rather than anything to take seriously, and I actually like Moe the clown (I thought his testimony section was pretty creative, since AA games have no real punishment for failure anyway!) Music is still a pain tho.
I'm surprised the presenting of profiles got a pass when until Apollo Justice they are presentable alongside evidence, so it technically increases your evidence list. I have seen struggles where people didn't realize they were looking in the wrong spot.
I love Justice for All. I've maintained it's a rare instance where its parts are greater than the sum of them. Part of this is because I played T&T significantly later and spoiled. In PAL regions, it came out AFTER Apollo Justice (and actually never did come out in Australia on the DS) but I think 2-2 and 2-4 are top ten cases. I also really enjoy 2-3 for its sympathetic villain. I also think its cross examination allegro is the best in the series. Glad to hear such a comprehensive analysis of it.
I’m forcing my boyfriend to play the trilogy with me, since I’ve been hyperfixated for years, and these videos have been super helpful for me. They’re helping me jog my memory so I seem cool and like I actually know what I’m doing lol. Thanks so much for the videos they’re incredible so far!
Imma just say two things: not mentioning how oddly cute Franziska looks in Gumshoe's coat feels like a crime, specially with her smug-ass grin about coming in clutch And secondly, God, Shelly De Killer's policy about traitorous clients really is pulling a symbiote Amazing Spiderman ("SHOCKEEEEEEEER, I'LL HUNT YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EAAAAAAAARTH")
Man, Umineko music really fits amazingly in the moments that really deserves it. 7 weights and Yomitsu Hirasaka Corruption RULES in the both parts that were used RULES (favorite tracks btw) This video served as a refresher, mainly that Justice for all rules with that last case and the second one (i'm comfortable into lying to myself into believing that Big top turnabout was an anime only arc, especially after... That love triangle thingie). It's a good game, even if it gets more often than not overshadowed (with i feel justified reasons even when the highs of this game are very high) by T&T. We pogging with another fantastic video 💪
One thing you haven't noted on that I think is pretty important is The title Because its the theme of the game. Apart from the filler tutorial case, the three cases in this case are all about justice and how...it wasn't delivered. Ini was the true victim of the case and forced into a horrible situation while Grey was despicable, there were no real culprits in Big Top, only victims and people who suffered. In both of those instances, no justice was delivered by condemning both Ini and Acro to die. By the way, every culprit in Ace Attorney is sentenced to death. I think those two cases were instrumental to lead up to Farewell to raise the point of moral greyness of being a lawyer and not having the culprits be cartoonishly evil like in the first game. It all leads up to Farewell. Because the fate almost repeated. The victim once again wasn't the actual victim of the case, they were a horrible human being. Adrian was the true victim, just like Ini was, and she could have easily been driven to murder Matt if she was forced into that situation like Ini. Only by finally standing up to Matt we break the curse of the three cases and convict the true culprit and allow justice to be made. Which for me makes it all weirder that Recipe for Turnabout was written for this game because it doesn't fit the theme or the motif at all. There is some sympathetic backstory with Violetta but last thing I would call that case is morally grey, its a lot more extra than the first two games, just like the rest of the third game. Also Recipe fits so PERFECTLY into the motif that all Trials and Tribulations cases have then I wonder if Takumi wrote the game AROUND Recipe so it fits. Not only does every single case feature complicated relationships and love, once again showing an abusive relationship and how it can damage a person with Violetta, which happens several times in the game, but it also involves poison, which is the third time in the game. I wonder what you will say about Recipe fitting Justice for All more than it does Trials because for me it's not even comparable, Recipe fits Trials freakishly too well.
Definitely an interesting way to look at it! Initially I said Recipe would have fit better simply because I just thought it was of higher quality and would have made sense in that it brought Maggey back around, but when you put it like that I do see your point. Interested to see how I feel about that going back through T&T when I get to recording the footage soon.
I don't think that *every* culprit in AA series is sentenced to death. As some information suggests - it's really depending on circumstances of the case. The more severe those circumstances are - the higher chance to be actually executed. Like, we can definitely assume that every "justifiable self-defense" case is probably "safe" in terms of the sentence. And judging by some information from AAI2, even some murderers can still have a chance for rehabilitation, while some other murderers can have a lifetime in prison. Technically, we know only... maybe 3 or 4 cases where true culprit definitively *was* sentenced for execution?.. All the others, though, we don't have a clue. We can more or less infer the data on our hands, but that would be nothing more than headcannons.
Honestly, I always thought it was strange that the narrative was that Phoenix was on a winning streak up until intentionally getting Engarde a guilty verdict. I just always figured that there were probably plenty of cases that happened off screen or otherwise in-between games that were just of less interest. The way Maya reminisces about Phoenix and Edgeworth always going back and forth in the courtroom always felt something like an implication that they faced off in more than the three cases against him from the original game.
I know a lot of people don’t like the Lost Turnabout, but I personally have no problems with it. They knew they had to do the tutorial stuff again so they just said “eh screw it let’s just not take it seriously at all”. Richard Wellington is genuinely hilarious to me and I greatly enjoy his presence. That said, I totally get why others don’t like it.
I knew I hated the Big Top OST, but I did not expect to have such a visceral reaction when it played throughout the Big Top section of the video. No music has had such a viscious reaction come out of me before LMAOO it was almost painful 😭 also just wanted to mention this was a great video, your storytelling is flipping great
This is definitely my favourite game of the original trilogy, mainly for the last case alone. Everyone trying to keep the case going at the end until the evidence arrives and shooting back and forth like the world's most intense volleyball game is so exciting, and I just love Franziska so much. I also love how Edgeworth is a bit more mature (not that he was immature before, but he definitely has well earned wisdom to depart onto both Phoenix and Franziska.)
Okay i can finally put a serious comment! So yesterday i watched the first part with my mother and you made me and her laugh a bunch. We were really both invested so I’m excited for this one as well
This video is absolutely a work of art! I mean, I couldn’t even imagine the amount of passion you have for Ace Attorney for you to even make just one 3 and a half hour video about it, let alone 2! I’m just so impressed!
I’m so happy that Farewell, My Turnanout gets its due respect here! It’s always been the standout case of the series for me, for reasons you described very well! Also, gotta respect the Adrian thirst, I was definitely on the same page back then 😅
I did always think that general opinions about Justice for All were giving the game little credit, so I felt very vindicated by this video and enjoyed it immensely as always! Your own thoughts, experiences and analysis are what Im always most excited to hear about in your retrospectives. The way your videos are put together is nothing short of masterful too. When watching them the pace and the hype is always on point. I also wanted to mention that your coverage of the second case of this game made me enjoy it even more in retrospect, especially when you went into the themes of family surrounding it because it really demonstrated just how perfectly that all falls into place and is explored at just about every step throughout.
Calling for Engarde's guilty verdict is the most responsible thing for Phoenix to do, but seeing Phoenix and Miles talking like "well guess you're dead now" and Engarde objecting to his own acquittal is just SO satisfying to see
Oh very much so. After what he put you through it's cathartic to make him beg for his own guilt, after he had been so confident just a few minutes earlier he'd be getting off scot-free.
yeah declaring guilty is better for phoenix's arc, but the dialouge for not guilty is wayy better.
Phoenix's dialogue is better, but overall exchange between Matt and Phoenix, as well as final breakdown is way better in not guilty option.
Yeah, for Phoenix guilty is better, but I feel that for Engarde's story it's better to give him not guilty. He's always gotten what he wanted, and up until this point he wanted to get a not guilty verdict. But now... Now a guilty verdict is a much better alternative than a not guilty one, one he will beg for. And for the first time in his life, not just in spite of but because of his callous, dirty tricks, he will not be getting what he wants in a way that will cost him everything.
The only problem is, I couldn't care less about Matt Engarde, which is a recurring problem with this game. The only new character I cared about was Pearl. The rest, absolute waste of screen time.
when i first played through this game, something i was really blown away by was the back and forth between phoenix and edgeworth in the final case. edgeworth being made aware of maya's desperate situation and cooperating with us to pass the discussion back and forth to buy time really solidified the newfound sense of camaraderie between him and phoenix while also being stressful in all the best ways.
you're also the first person on youtube i've personally heard wax sympathetic about franziska and really give her the time of day beyond dismissing her bratty slapstick antics. as a huge fan of her character i super appreciate the analysis
Yes, Franziska gets a really hard rep. Like, is she really that much more of a clown than anyone else in the game? Why does she get the special focus when the only normal person on cast is the protagonist? And that's only after he passed the bar; college Phoenix was a nimrod!
@@swishfish8858 Probably because there's a line past which whipping people crosses from being "funny slapstick" to "committing assault" that exists somewhere before making someone actually fall unconscious that one can't go back after crossing, and despite crossing it she never apologizes nor is ever so much as called out for it, let alone punished for it, and she keeps being on that side of the line even after developing as a character.
As far as "silly character quirks" go, Franny's is probably the one with the least widespread appeal. It took me a real long time to warm up to her and even now I really wish she'd grow out of committing assault on a regular basis.
agreed! i don't actually participate much in the wider ace attorney fandom-sphere so i was kind of surprised to hear that disliking franziska was a popular opinion. she's such an obviously fantastic and complex character to me and it doesn't seem fair to just dismiss her as annoying or whatever it is people say. she's really not much more of an asshole than edgeworth is when we first meet him and it hurts me that people don't give her a fair chance like they do other characters.
Yeah, it really made me see franny in a bit of a different light. She may have been raised by von karma, but she is not von karma. and that is important.
@@cometgravity”Not much more of an asshole than edgeworth”
She whips Phoenix into unconciousness
As someone who was expected to perfect for so long, I can never listen to Franziska’s monologue without tearing up. it’s hard to realize that failure isn’t the end of the world when it’s all you’ve based your worth on, but learning to be human has so much more joy in it than the alternative.
As someone who never exprerienced anything but failure, no i cant agree.
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Keeping Ini and Acro tragic villains also primes you to suspect Adrian Andrews in the last case. God i love farewell my turnabout
I love how readily Phoenix adopts Maya and Pearls into his life, as much as he might grumble on the outside. Essentially becoming an older brother, putting everything on the line for them.
What are you talking about? Maya is obviously the older sister
Because he'd do anything for Mystic Maya :DD
@emidemi7211 and you're channelling Pearl.
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The idea of Matt Engarde as a formative experience rings very true- I think this was the first time I was ever "tricked" by a videogame who's formula I'd come to depend on. The betrayal hits twice as hard when it feels like the game itself has just stabbed you in the back.
The bit with the Magatama not activating when you ask Matt “Did you kill Juan” is amazing when you think about the wording of the question. It is true that Matt killed no one but obviously he did HIRE the person that actually killed Juan.
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I really like the killers of JFA thematically. Richard killed on a spur of the moment, Ini/Mimi killed for somewhat sympathetic reasons, Acro killed with definitely sympathetic reasons but accidentally killed someone he loved, and Matt ends up being the only client to be actually guilty. It really runs the gamut of the types of killers there are and emphasises the theme of “Justice for all”
Ini/mimi is more sympathetic than acro. He wanted to murder a child
you could also say it helps with the twist of matt being unforgivably guilty since we’ve had two previous cases where the accused person has had a reasonable motive that almost makes you feel sorry for them.
That theme also crops up in Adrian, with her trying to frame Matt for a sympathetic reason
@@thebigguy270 yeah, the fact that Adrian motives for framing Matt are like that, also lead one to believe she may have done it at first, it really plays with the player and turns everything on its head
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I really love how consistently obvious the decisive evidence in starting cases are.
"Huh, weird that he spelled his girlfriend's name wrong while also having a broken neck."
*Ten hours and a spiritual intervention later*
"OBJECTION. Her NAME is spelled WRONG."
Yeah that’s what annoy me the most, this should 100% prove that Maggie is innocent. The victim got his neck snap and written the victim name, but no we have to take the long way.
@@positivea9111 That's true, but you can argue this about other cases too. As soon as the photos Lotta took in case 2 are revealed, it should instantly prove Mya innocent (obviously we as players know that she could still be the murderer, and Vin Karma points this out, but the judge does not and thus should not have any reason to think it could be Mya.)
@@AeonKnigh432 I agreed on that but the reason why this one annoys me because it relay simple common sense that the written name was forge, while for trial 2 I feel like they need to understand a bit more about it.
@@positivea9111 a snapped neck doesn't contradict anything, breaking a neck not immediately fatal and doesn't cause paralysis unless the spinal cord is snapped. Bringing up the fact that the victim's non-dominant hand was used to write and the name was misspelled makes the case that the crime scene was altered
@@positivea9111 maggey
You mentioned how you'd wish Max Galactica was a defendant that we could feel more sympathy towards, but I think that, either on purpose or not, the fact that he isn't too likeable prepares the player for having to defend a true dislikeable defendant in the next case. It also helps tricking us more into thinking that "hey, maybe Matt *is* not guilty" since we have a preview experience of defending someone else that was arrogant and dismissive. Either way, thanks for the video, it was great!
i mean besides the whole pdf file thing hes got going on, he didnt seem like such am umlikable character. yes, if i met him in real life the pdf file thing is enough to absolutely not like him, but since nobody in game cared, i will talk about his other character traits. he didnt just get born into show business, he worked on everything himself. and he worked hard to get where he is, and he is very happy with himself which i believe is fair. he is (at least in the french version) just some country guy who wants to pay his dads debt. but he is so displeased how the others dont seem to have that passion he is feeling and that is frustrating and ultimately angering him to a point where he becomes very rude. he isnt the greatest person to have around, but to his fans, maya for example, and to the people that help him, phoenix for example, he can be very nice.
One thing you I think was forgotten or at least should have been included your analysis. Franziska became everything she hated about Edgeworth. She hated Edgeworth for running away, just for her to do the same exact thing. She hated him for helping the enemy, just for her to march proudly back into the courtroom with the one thing that would save Phoenix. She hated him for showing weakness in the court, just for her to be floored by the end of Big Top. And most importantly, she hated Edgeworth for giving up his win record, his most defining trait: Just for her to throw away her whip, her most defining trait. It's some beautiful irony that no other character really replicates in AA.
That evidence actually helped the prosecution get a guilty verdict, otherwise engarde would have been innocent
@@RighteousBisonEnjoyer you get to decide that so it can help phoenix get a non guilty veredict
Turnabout Big Top is such a bummer. There’s so much potential that comes from a murder at the circus, and by extension the character dynamics (Regina’s sheltered mindset, literally everyone hating Max, Acro’s murderous intent accidentally killing the man he respected the most, etc.), but they just don’t build on a whole lot. Instead we spend a majority of it focusing on a creepy love triangle and listening to Moe’s multiple joke testimonies
Definitely agree. Some small changes would have helped the case a lot, a big one aging up Regina. It would have made the love triangle a lot less uncomfortable and made the whole “she should be taking this seriously and not be so happy and childish” have more weight and not just feel like ganging up on a 16 year old for her own special way of coping.
This is precisely how I feel about it. If you look deeply, the case has some incredibly interesting themes and a pretty solid mystery (albeit with a smidge of shaky logic), and an interesting anchor to this absurd cast in Moe - and not many people talk about it.
...But why would one notice that when Moe's testimony in court is agonizing to play through, the investigation segments have one of the most droning tracks to hear on end in the series, and Regina is the center of some of the absolutely creepiest character dynamics I've ever seen???
It's honestly JFA's identity in one case. Some very interesting bits in an incredibly flawed package. It's a bummer when the worst part about the case could've been avoided entirely...
I totally agree, I really relied on a guide to get through this episode just because of how much I didn’t want to play it
A majority? I just played through TBT recently, and uh, neither the love triangle nor the Moe stuff went on all that long. The p3dophilia doesn't really show up until the last third and that god-awful Moe trial segment only lasted for like two testimonies. Maybe your hatred for those elements occupy more of your mind than the rest of the case, making them look like they take up more space than they actually do?
Really the worst part of the case for my money is the cape. The magical, sniper-accurate falling cape that HAPPENED to pin itself to the fucking bust at the perfect angle during the perfect moment. How the Hell is anyone supposed to have figured that out without help?!
@@swishfish8858 TBH I think Ben/Trilo might be the character pushing the Regina thing furthest into ick-territory, and he's entirely relegated to the first investigation & court day. Depending on how much the player finds Max & Bat's interest distracting, yeah it's totally a personal opinion whether it overshadows the rest of the case or not.
But Ben/Trilo? 31 is a year off from *double her age* and imo NOTHING about him is plot-relevant enough to keep his ass from being a waste of space. Money needed to steal a shiny thing, but the ring could've been any random item (Regina's wand prop idk).
2:54:45 I love how whenever Matt reveals his evil side, he grabs a giant glass of alcohol from out of nowhere just to swirl menacingly around 😂
truly a descendant of barok van zieks
It's JUICE ok. Grape juice! Always!
lol
Even worse, the drink is brown…
@@MiloKuroshiro No, no, no. It's obviously chocolate milk.
Or if it were the bad American edit it would be colored over blue and be called water.
Is there even an animation of him drinking it?
Nezumi flexing those VA skills again. From the preview to the plot lines, her character work leaves me in awe. Next level stuff Nezumi.
Agreed!! Especially when it comes to the Phoenix lines. When I first heard them, I thought they were from an official capcom source
@@duckduckno wait did she do all the voices or something?
@@miles4939all of them
I especially want to point out her performance for Matt's breakdown, where her voice wavers, a perfect imitation of a manchild's tantrum over not getting what he wants. Chef's kiss. Incredible satisfaction.
Ain't no way she's also the Judge and Manfred Von Karma
"ini miney is a common name" baffled me so much, even with a character like her, i will never forget how absolutely funny and insane that statement is.
Adrian was so moved by the power of gay lawyers that she developed self-assurance
and found herself a gay lawyer of her own 😍
The power of yaoi hands compelled her
@@sorbiii They became lovers again when Edgeworth returned. Imagine the situation when Edgeworth bailed out for a year. Probably he took a year to reassess if he was gay. Poor Phoenix probably had Careless Whisper on repeat for days.
@@dannyhargreaves1326 I just looked up the lyrics and I’m cackling rn. Poor Phoenix
Fradrian my beloved
Two things I love about the final case of this game
1: Choosing not guilty for Engarde and have Phoenix and Edgeworth saying “Oh boy, what a reeeeaaaaal shame it is that you’re innocent. Sure would be sad if some assassin came looking for you… Oh well, I’m sure that would neeeeever happen.” And him begging to be deemed guilty in an attempt to save his life.
2: There’s something really interesting about De Killer’s wording. He’d never stop hunting down someone who betrayed him. He wouldn’t even take on another job until they were dead. I’ll leave it at that, however. For the time being, at the very least.
Considering what mister Shelly is doing just after a little more than one year and a month after Matt's trial... Yeah, we can safely assume, that Matt didn't survived for long.
@@dan_man3087 I think it's implied that Matt chose a guilty verdict [probably life in prison?? Or execution, if the way Adrian's stakes are worded is anything to go by] as an alternative to being set free. Staying in prison would at least prolong his life for a little bit.
@@MikeTheEntei im pretty sure dekiller doesnt care if he was already in prison
@@santiagobarreraruiz7280 I mean, in the sense that De Killer would be all but unable to actually penetrate a damn PRISON....though if anyone can, it would be him.
@@santiagobarreraruiz7280All he needs is a prison guard uniform, he'll be fine.
these videos have been my first exposure to ace attorney (outside of meme osmosis), and i have to say it was very scary to be waiting through all of turnabout big top for balloon titty clown girl to show up, only to realize there must be a SECOND CLOWN-THEMED CASE SOMEWHERE IN HERE. WHAT.
Hahaha, yup. That would be the penultimate case of the newest game, Spirit of Justice, which is "Turnabout Storyteller".
i'm so sorry to tell you this but balloon titty clown girl is not even the second clown we meet
The weirdest part about the clown girl is that she's not even part of a fucking circus she barely fits with the type of performer schtick the case is going for and VERY out of place.
She's literally from a filler case in AA6 and isn't even an actual clown, She's not from a circus She's just a balloon artist
I just realised the brilliance of imi mimey’s hat and breakdown animation making her look like a ghost because you kind of are looking at one
I think it would have been clever in Turnabout Big Top if Max, Trilo, and Bat had been vying for a spot in Regina’s act as her performance partner (or something along those lines, perhaps she could have been prepping for a tour and needed an extra member or something), instead of for her affection. You can keep every plot/investigation beat the same that way, even Max and Trilo’s fight, and even find an opportunity for some humor - maybe Phoenix assumes there’s some romantic interest, to the men’s shock, who are like ew she’s 16 that’s weird, she’s just very talented
Another commenter mentioned that it could’ve also been resolved by aging Regina up. It further adds to the whole situation of Regina being so sheltered and having so little world experience.
@@missing_name yep. Just aging her would be such a EASY solution. She could still be oblivious for being sheltered and spoiled.
@@MiloKuroshiro If anything, it would make Acro’s anger towards her a bit more understandable if she’s an “adult” but still acting like a child, as opposed to her literally being a child.
Realistically, I don’t think anything is going to make the stuff with Trillo any better, aside from just not including him. (It’s a grown man pursuing someone at least a decade younger, which is still creepy) And her relationships with Bat and Max become more questionable rather than straight-up illegal. Not a perfect solution as there’s still some iffy stuff, but it erases the whole “Adult men preying on a 16 year old child” stuff.
@@missing_name To be fair, the devil lies in between the lines: just technically, almost no-one out of three "suitors" are "in love" with Regina in the fullest sense of that word. Max is mostly viewed her as an accessory to his beautiful... i mean, *fabulous* self for some time(something akin to "we'll look good together, if nothing else" type of marriage), Bat had nothing more than more or less innocent crush on her, and Ben don't like Regina in a romantic sense(he mentions something along those lines when arguing with Trilo about marriage) - he may *act* and *perform* with the Trilo who's a polar opposite of the Ben himself, but in the real life Ben doesn't actually care for Regina. So technically, first one is acting more as an arrogant jerk, second one acting much more innocent than people perceive him(mostly because of the situation with other two guys) and the third one mostly practicing his routine and playing an act for Regina, if nothing else.
The main issue is Regina's age. We should address that the game is in Japanese origin, where the consent age was MUCH lower until just recently(or they only considering it just now) - just 13 years old. That's the main reason why Regina being 16 is more or less normal in the original setting, but grating to many others outside of Japan.
So in conclusion, i think that the main "love triangle\square" should remain as is(maybe a slight adjustments here and there to flesh out the points i talked about earlier even more). But i do agree that localizers should have adapted Regina's age to more western standards and upped it at least to the legal 18 years old. That wouldn't be much of a problem to do so.
@@dan_man3087imo Regina and Bat should’ve both been 19. Everything about Bat that’s presented shows him almost as immature as Regina, which should leave him at a comparable age to her, and cement Acro in the responsible older brother role. It even makes their relationship almost cute in being childhood friends growing up.
criminal: * monologues their entire plan to Phoenix while inside the detention center
guard in the background: 🧍
3:10:30 On the one hand, Juan did have a loving relationship with Celeste, Something you can't say about Matt. But, you can be sure that he did love Celeste, he hated Matt more. Enough to dump her, and use her death to destroy Matt. He's not as bad as Matt, but when you have to ask yourself who's worse, Juan or an assassin for hire, you know you've hit rock bottom...
Juan’s hatred for Matt reaches astronomical levels of shitty when it’s revealed the Juan forged Celeste suicide just to be able to stick it to Matt at a later date.
And the answer is the assassin.
fellas is it gay to be more invested in hating a man than in loving ur gf
that's something im also thinking about a lot more recently. the two of them are just misogynistic assholes who considered their stupid beef more important than the well-being of the woman they supposedly loved. i wish the case had leaned a bit harder into villainizing corrida almost as much as engarde because he definitely deserved it.
@@littlewolfyzapling8810I'm scared
I really like the name pun for Morgan, referencing Morgan Le Faye, King Arthur's evil aunt who manipulates his son into rebelling against him. It really sets up from the start to look sideways at everything this woman does.
It's actually really surprising that despite Ace Attorney being a popular series and having a lot of memes overseas there isn't much serious content regarding those games excluding let's plays of course, so I am really happy that Nezumi decided to dive into this! I hope it spurs other creators to do similar reviews, however this one has so much love and research put into it that I doubt it can be topped.
P.S. I recently watched an essay on Ghost Trick, which is even more underrated and deserves so much love. If anyone's reading this please go check it out! It was DS exclusive for a long time but it's finally coming to modern consoles and PC (it's on Steam), you really won't regret it if you like the type of games Nezumi did videos on in the past as well as AA (they have the same creators).
Love ya, keep doing you girl, you do it good.
This is just my take, but please never apologize for not refusing to engage with child predation as a slapstick narrative device in these analyses. As you justifiably pointed out about Moe - silence is complicity. We've spent way too long being mildly uncomfortable with depictions of it everywhere, but not enough to condemn it. And while video games aren't responsible for irl violence by any means, media is very much a factor in shaping attitudes and broader narratives imo. So I can't tell you how much I appreciate that you refuse to suspend your disbelief on this and reflect on it numerous times in every video that calls for it. Honestly, thank you. ❤
yes especially since a lot of kids probably played this game. it's really disgusting. =/
38:20 It's not just that her body was used to kill a person. Since ghost are not just a belief, but a reality, that would be considered technicality. Maya is upset because she couldn't control the spirit. A strong medium would be able to stop the spirit from murdering a person, severe the spiritual connection. Her failing to do so is a continuation of her plotline from Turnabout Goodbyes, while also reaffirming Pearl as a better candidate for the master position. At least that's how I read it, and obviously it's all a devious plan by Morgan
I thought a spirit medium is supposed to be completely unconscious while channeling, not even able to dream.
How’s an unconscious person supposed to control anything?
@@Dash123456789Brawl If there weren't any failsafe measures, no sane person would actually try that mediation technique. There has to be a way for a medium to force a spirit out. It is my guess, but one derived from deduction. How can they do it without them being conscious? IDK, it's magic...
@@strubberyg7451To consciously do something while unconscious… the very idea is unconscionable to me!
@@Dash123456789Brawl I mean... she might be able to unconsciously do that...
Let's take a moment to assess the channel ritual: The channeler and the client are together in a locked room with tue only key to the lock. You NEED a way to stop evil spirits from doing evil things. You NEED some sort of protection. It might be a spirit severing technique, it might be the pre channeling ritual. Whatever measures taken, in Maya's mind at that moment, she failed, and her body did the murder.
It has to be this way. There is no way to refute the existence of spirit channeling, so if there wasn't any way to take responsibility, the court wouldn't be able to prosecute Maya. She didn't do it, a ghost did. At best you could try to prove she wasn't possessed by a spirit and faked the whole thing.
In conclusion - Maya thinks it's her responsibility because under normal circumstances, it would have been. Therefore there is some way to control or limit the spirit's actions
@@strubberyg7451 I don’t agree with all of your arguments, but fine… you’ve convinced me.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention Shu Takumi being a magician himself, which would explain all the magic references that show up in the series. (I'm writing this at the end of the Big Top segment, so maybe you mention it later on)
The love triangle was entirely to set up "Money likes shiny things! Let's bring an engagement ring for him to steal, then we can prove he stole the bust!". Like you, I much prefer how the anime does the case - Max as union organiser!
Anime Max is a progressive union organizer, we know who to really stan.
Something that I really love about the narrative of this game in particular is how it lulls you into a false sense of security and routine. As mentioned in the video, we’ve defended every client up this point and acquitted people who are actually innocent, but in this game especially they make the second and third case killers somewhat sympathetic on purpose. Excluding the first case since it doesnt really fit the theming I have in mind (and it’s just generally my least favorite intro case in the series), Mimi Miney and Acro both commit seriously messed up murders, however they give you enough information on their backstories and motivations that even if you can’t forgive them for what they did, you can understand how they got to the point of committing murder.
So when you get to the fourth case and you’re learning all about Adrien’s co-dependency, her traumatic backstory, and everything else, the game has instilled it in you up to this point that yeah, even the extremely traumatized and sympathetic characters aren’t safe from being the murderer. I love the way that the game uses our preconceived notions about defendants and criminals to completely mess with our perception of both Engarde and Adrien in this case. It’s part of the reason why Adrien is my favorite non-main ace attorney character.
I know JFF is polarizing for a lot of people, and justifiably (get it) so, but I think it’s my favorite of the original trilogy regardless of its faults.
i think this game might actually be my favorite, i love having both franziska and miles in one game and i love the music more than either game before or after tbh
*JFA
I love JFA because Franziska is the best girl. Playing with friends to VA and giving her a german accent just makes her so stand out.
The worst*
She sucks
Best girl? she treats gumshoe like shit because.... there's really no reason.. I can agree that its a well written character but not best girl
who is the best man
@@Aostrele Gumshoe, easily. Like, it’s not even close. Classic Gumshoe Sweep
I did the exact same thing when I went into the game blind with my two friends, the german accent for her makes my favorite lesbian lawyer stand out so well
I love the dialogue when you pledge "not guilty" with a smile on the face; and Matt suddenly breaks on pure terror and says that he's guilty and wanted to be convicted.
Sidenote: _This is the first time I've viewed the "Guilty" option at the end of Farewell, My Turnabout._ *_"Not Guilty" is just too satisfying. Engarde had his cake, ate it and will choke on it as a result!_*
_However after viewing, I've gotta agree with you now._
One thing that amazes me to this day is Matt’s engarde twist of being the client of shelly the killer. At the start of the case phoenix asks Matt if he killed Juan and he saids no while no psyche lock appears giving us a false sense of security and the game making us think Matt is just another innocent client. Great writing honesty
Maybe…or maybe it was because he didn’t directly kill him. Which he didn’t. Could be a mix of both
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JFA is in my experience one of the most polarizing Phoenix Wright games (besides Apollo Justice), so I'm extremely excited to get your take on it!
i loved JFA but thought apollo was meh (except for the last case)
GS4 seems to be getting a better rep now. Seems that bringing Nick back plus time made people re-evaluate it.
AJ is a bad game though
@@fruustles The first AJ case is fire. The last case has the most egrigious plotholes in the franchise so I just can't love it as much as other people seem to (Lamiroir gets shot in the head, then decides to run away from home while being shot, somehow winds up in a foreign country, and only THEN suffers sudden amnesia and forgets she can speak English. Uh- whut? )
Agreed
On one hand 2-4 is UNIVERSALLY ACLAIMED as being one of the if not THE best case on the franchise.
... the issue goes with the other 3 cases, and how one AMAZING case won't suffice if the rest of the game doesnt hold up and is kinda weaker than the past game
(2-2 is a adquired taste case; 2-1 is often regarded as THE weakest "tutorial" case, and being an amnesia plot doesnt help the case AT ALL; and 2-3 is 2-3)
The right shoulder bullet thing is also really intresting when you realise that in AA1 you only see a karma at the end of the game but in here you see a karma in every point except the end
Cool detail
Also that it reverses the first game where Edgeworth is the main prosecutor until the end and now a karma is the main one until then end when the 2 switch roles
One thing I really love about this game is how it changes client and killer roles in this game. In the first game it's pretty cut and dry that the biggest asshole is the killer (Sahwit, Redd White, Vasquez, Von Karma, Gant) and that your clients are all fairly nice people with the exception of Lana and kind of Edgeworth. In this game the killers are a lot more sympathetic and while you can't agree with their actions you feel sad that they got to such an extreme point. Mimi and Acro stick with me so much because I liked that their motives for killing aren't just "someone got in my way so I killed them." Acro especially gets me when he says he's just a murderer because you can tell his grief and anger towards Regina has turned him into a man he doesn't want to be. I also like Max a lot because he's the first client IMO that's just a total asshole and I would believe he did do it. One of the reasons I actually really like Big Top is because Max, the guy everyone knows is an asshole, is the innocent one and Acro, the seemingly nicest and most caring one, is the killer. This game really makes Phoenix job a lot more interesting than in the first game where he was just always with the nicest people and against the worst kinds of people.
This leads to Farewell, My Turnabout (my favorite case of the trilogy) where he actually defends someone who isn't really innocent and he juggles with what he should do, especially when Maya is at stake. Engarde's evil personality really through me because after Max I thought his secret was gonna make him a jerk but he'd still be innocent but with his twist it really pushes Phoenix and makes the series so much more interesting. It helps that Max was a pretty bad person to make us believe that Engarde could be dealing in some shady business and it's why I think Big Top has more importance than Case 3's like Samurai
You put into words exactly how I can see the strength in making Max a jerk. I think it does a lot of good thematic work that defending deeply unpleasant people being part of the job sometimes might make Phoenix wonder why he took this job. Unfortunately that isn't exactly reflected in the way the game treats Max's actions, so whatever message is supposed to come through whichever way you go, it's conveyed very messily. Mixed feelings about that entire case.
Would just like to comment to say that the voice acting for the Matt Engarde reveal scene was absolutely top notch! The sharpness in the voice is fitting, the cadence is perfectly laid back for how cruel Matt is, and his villainy was portrayed masterfully. The whole video is great all around, but I wanted to complement you on this part in particular for how it blew me away.
Something I feel like doesn't get mentioned QUITE as often as the other disappointingly frustrating aspects of Turnabout Big Top is the fact that, at the end of the day, Acro was trying to murder a child.
Counterpoint: hating a child is much more acceptable than loving one
that doesnt really change anything. attempted murder or murder isn't more acceptable if its an adult and isn't worse if its a stupid kid
Also, something that bothers me to no end...this child is someone that means the world to the man he respects and loves. Acro uses his debt to the ringmaster as a way to claim that he would never want to kill him...but he *will* murder the one the ringmaster loves most? The person he loves enough to shield to the point of complete innocence?
You act like children can't be totally monsters. In this case he is devastated, that she acts all happy about it, she took the most important things from him, his brother and his profession. Even more aggrevating is, that nobody make her clear she did it. He is a completey wildfire of emtions and so the tradegy happened. Totally understandable, that he hates her.
Regina's sin here is that she's woefully naïve about the world, and that's deliberate on the part of her father, who kept her sheltered for her whole life. He also likely didn't discipline her enough, since she didn't face any consequences for her actions, and otherwise she would have been self-aware enough to the extent of which her "prank" would be fatally dangerous, and she would at least feel some guilt over her actions.
Marcie brings it up at the start, but it is a shame that Pearl isn't more present during Turnabout Big Top. We could have had interactions between Pearl and Regina, and there would have been such a stark parallel between how these two girls were sheltered by their parents. We see the damage that this has done on Regina, and we would therefore see what could have been Pearl's future if things had turned out differently.
I completely agree about the anime. The show is at its best when it covers original stuff, not only in regards to things like original cases and one-off episodes, but also parts of in-game cases that aren’t really explored in-game. I love being able to see things like Phoenix’s tiny apartment and the city surrounding the offices and courthouse.
I feel like the first case had an easy solution - have it so Pheonix is in the Mia position - have him mentoring another lawyer. To make sure the stakes are low it could be a mock trial, or it could be for something... not a murder?
Impossible. Gotta be murder, it's The Rules™.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 Fair enough.
That would mean introducing a new playable lawyer character, something that would've added another character to write for cuz theres no way they would have a new lawyer character being mentored by Phoenix and NOT have them be an important character or main character of some sort.
@@friendbreakfast no? i’m saying they would be more of a shadow - Phoenix would still be lawyering but explaining himself and the mechanics to another character
This would be cool but I do think Pheonix is still too much of a fledgling lawyer to mentor someone else at this point in the story, he doesn't really come into his own until trials and tribs
Somehow the Regina love triangle thing never bothered me because:
1: I was 12 to 13 at the time I first played it, so the difference between a 16 year old and a 22 year old wasn't all that clear (they were both pretty much adults to me).
2: I somehow bought into the idea that Trilo really was his own entity, wacky-cartoon style, so Ben being 30 wasn't relevant. I didn't worry about the implications there, just as I didn't worry about the implications of letting an 8 year old child run all the way from Kurain to the courtroom.
my real quick hot take is that Justice For All should've been the Third title, switched with Trials and Tribulations. I always forget that JFA is the second game because the title just reads as appropriately "final-sounding"
Agreed! Besides what you said, I can never keep their titles straight in my mind because you ought to face tribulations in the middle of a journey, towards your ultimate goal, ‘justice for all.’ It makes a lot of narrative sense that way.
I just can’t internalize rationale for them to be named the way they actually are.
This has been a recurring minor inconvenience for me for years!
Also JFA as the third title could've been a neat bit of foreshadowing for the introduction of Apollo in the fourth game (not that this would've been Takumi's intention if he DID title it like that, but still)
The opening case in JFA is the worst opening case in the entire series but the second and finale are some of my favorites in the series.
Also there's been plenty of criticisms towards Turnabout Big Top for the last 2 decades but the things that stuck out the most for me has always been Russle Berry seemingly being okay with multiple adults wanting to date his 16 year old daughter and the other thing is Acro being the worst sympathetic villain just for how shortsighted his plan was for many different reasons.
i've heard some people suggest that russell was in fact not okay with max and trilo/ben wanting to date his daughter since we never actually hear it from his mouth and all we have to rely on is max claiming after russell died that he had his blessing to marry regina. this has no actual evidence supporting it and is really only a pipe dream that offers some peace of mind (because who wants to accept that this dude was letting grown men creep on his teenage daughter) but like, take it as you will lol.
also with acro, it's weird because i really do appreciate his tragic story and eventual graceful admission of guilt, they're very striking and there aren't many aspects of big top that work for me aside from those. but they sort of fall flat when i keep returning to the fact that he...had a murderous grudge against a child?? he wanted to kill a CHILD?? the general concept of misdirected rage as a result of a tragic accident leading to a misguided attempt at revenge is very compelling, but i can't really take it at face value when the target of said revenge is a minor, and a very naive one at that. it's like we're supposed to feel bad for acro (and i do, to an extent) and accept his targeting of regina as like, a somewhat reasonable response to the situation. he acknowledges his own mistakes and poor decisions in the end but it just feels awkward to consider the fact that this grown man's first reaction to what happened was to look at this dumb innocent teenage girl and go "yes she needs to die"
@@cometgravity Honestly my basis for thinking Russell Berry was okay with multiple men wanting to date his daughter was partly from the fact he raised his daughter into having an extremely naive worldview for a girl that's 16 so I assumed his world view was at least somewhat naive too.
I couldn't help but be so hung up on Acro's motive especially for the fact he could've talked about it to Regina herself or Russell but it seems it was never mentioned whether or not he tried talking about how he feels about the whole incident to anyone. Also I found it weird how nobody brings up this would've emotionally destroyed Russell which is a pretty messed up thing for Acro to do to the man took him and his brother in. Also knowing everything that happens in that case, Acro could've easily been labeled as the only suspect if he actually succeeded in dropping the bust on Regina. Not to mention that Moe would've seen the bust being pulled up without a cape and it would've been immediately game over for Acro before the body was discovered. Though despite having an extremely shortsighted plan that backfired in the most tragic way possible for him, Acro isn't the worst sympathetic villain since that title goes to a certain culprit in the sequel trillogy.
It’s the best opening case though wdym
@@jaxsterminator8634 It's needlessly drawn out with contradictions that are way too obvious. The game has no thematic reason or commentary for why the police work in universe was that bad.
Yeah I can’t thank you enough Marcie for everything. By the craziest of coincidences I ended up also completing JFA on the day this was uploaded just like with the first game. And I was especially looking forward to your overview of Farewell My Turnabout because of just how eloquent and outstanding you are at telling any stories and conveying those most poignant and powerful emotions. You always move me and impact me with all your unforgettable VA performances and excellently well written writing that really speaks to me. I just can’t thank you enough for continuing to inspire me and I greatly look forward to Trials and Tribulations.
I hope we get more Gumshoe in the next game, if we ever get one. I hope he's a big goofy dad and his animations involve him parenting his hyper kids. He's such an unbelievably kind person in this game and I miss his presence terribly and I think the "in over his head but still a good dad" character archetype would suit him amazingly as a way to show the passage of time.
man now i want to see him parent
I fully agree on the soundtrack. There's a certain tense vibe unique to this game, which really plays into the final case's atmosphere. Also it 100% has my favourite Tell the Truth theme in the series. I think only the investigations games can contest it.
Honestly the variance in the soundtracks is one of my favorite parts of the series. I don't know if it was intentional, but having different composers on almost all of the games was honestly a fantastic choice. Every game is given a slightly different tone due to their musical identity that allows them to stand out and feel recognizable. JFA might be one of my least favorites over all, but it's undeniable that it has its own distinct energy. Some of these tracks are so iconic it's honestly surprising that they're original to this game.
It’s my favorite main series version of the theme for sure, but I think my overall favorite is the one from GAA. It has an enormous amount of gravitas to it.
Also the Spirit of Justice one, but that comes down to a very specific moment in that game so I think it’s less the music and more the context I think of there.
I also really like the more somber pieces here such as the cross examination theme which matches the more tragic cases present here such as Mimi Miney, Acro, and Adrian Andrews
Honestly the Pursuit themes in JFA and AJ are some of my favourite Pursuit themes in the game's series. I get a lot of people saying that with the former the tension it brings makes it feel like it was only made for the Engarde case but I really like it overall because instead of invoking that sense of triumph, it's more of a tense resignation to keep on pushing even though you may not like what you find out at the end of it. Overtaken is loud, bombastic and quite fast paced, pairing well with Apollo as a character, crying shame it was used so rarely as compared to the Tell The Truth theme which might as well have taken over every court case there as much as I like it as well.
People are crazy, I love the second game! That moment when Franzika busts in at the end always gets me to cheer out loud and the farewell scene with her at the airport always chokes me up
I feel like Regina being an 18 year old is a missed oportunity for
A) NOT BEING A CREEPY LOVE TRIANGLE
and B) Giving us another 18 year old girl that Maya compares herself to: while Franziska is "mature" for her age, Regina lives in Wonderland but has a very clear idea of where she belongs and who she is
Still find the age gap too weird.
I feel this was a poor translation job. Not saying I in any way endorse this, I do not. But in japan it’s not uncommon for 16 to be the “coming of age” age. It’s above the legal age of consent. I think they were supposed to age Regina up to 18, but forgot. That said, how and where it was written, regardless of how it should have been translated, isn’t as creepy or unusual as it is in the English version
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Make her 25 and it fixes a lot.
@@AnakhaSilver yes, i feel like an age after 20 would really help her. while 18 is definitely less weird than 16, it is just the typical "look it's legal so it's morally ok" while 18 to 31 still seems like a very creepy relationship to me. 20 or above makes more sense bc it feels more like a real adult, not just "she's 18 so its free real estate babyyyy". and they wouldnt even have to change anything about her character since she was sheltered all her life.
I know it’s kinda cheesy but that ending speech you gave for Reunion and Turnabout at 1:11:16 genuinely hit very close to home for me, and it was really sweet. AA as a series means a lot to me, and these videos do such an amazing job at bringing them to justice (no pun intended). Excited to see what else you do, awesome video as always!!!!
i agree with you on this game, the lows are quite low but the highs are so fucking high, i've never played anything like case 4. the perfect storm of everything unravelling around you and even with both prosecutors teaming up to drag the proceedings out as long as possible you still only _barely_ keep your head above water the whole way through, the desperation is palpable. also i love the way you write and edit your summaries, they do an exellent job of guiding you through a first time player's thought process even if you know exactly what's going to happen
Oodly enough, I was raised in the same way as Franziska and Miles, by a Malignant Narcissist, so I understand how Miles felt before and how Franziska feels now. Manfred is a Narcissist plain and simple. Manfred *did* abuse them. And they (Miles and Franziska) are learning how to heal and are, in a way, are learning to lean on each other. I’m *very proud* of the both of them. And of Phoenix, as I continue to walk along my own healing journey. I’m proud of them all when I watch this, even though I know they aren’t real, those emotions are real.
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what you had to go through really sucks. you seem to be in a better place now tho, so i hope you can stay on that path and live your life the way you wanna.
If i had a nickel for every time maya was accused of murder in the 2nd case of an ace attorney game i would have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened twice
I’m pretty sure this has happened like 8 times already (if the Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright games count too)
@@Eris.s shit u right
@@youraveragestranger6239 you have 8 nickels now ig
@@Eris.s Haven't even gotten around to playing that yet but I can't even consider it a spoiler because OF COURSE she gets accused of murder.
@@BritBox777 It's like the golden rule at this point. If there's Maya then there's at least one case where she's accused of murder
44:40 omg when you compared Franz to Vegeta it struck a cord with me bc i NEVER realized how similar they are in that aspect, and it just made so much sense to me in that moment because like. They are my favorite character type and it just was like a “omfg” moment that theyre also my favorite characters in their respective media’s
Is she the only VA? That’s incredible. Great video too I love this franchise
yes its all her :]
The themes of working together and bonds in the final case- heck the whole game is f-ing spectacular. Every case sort of has that theme. It was Maggey's bond with Dustin resulting in the special glove that was able to do Wellington in, and it was his ties with the gang of criminals that drove him to commit murder in the first place. It was Mini's bond with her sister and watching her die is the thing that destroyed her life leading her to work together with Morgan to pull off that murder. It was Acro's monkey that was able to get him the bust to cause the murder and the whole circus not being able to communicate properly is what drove him to murder in the first place. And the final case, oh my god the final case.
The thing that does Matt Engarde is his inability to trust anyone but himself, and the working together of literally everyone we met so far. Engarde was only done in because he couldn't trust Shelly. If he didn't make that blackmail tape, he would've gotten away with the whole thing, but Engarde is just such a conniving selfish person he literally couldn't imagine being able to trust an assassin because "that's how the world works." But he's wrong, and his downfall is a united force. Phoenix and Edgeworth figuring out the whole thing, Franziska getting the last pieces of evidence from Gumshoe, Gumshoe who was hot on De Killer's trail the whole time, Pearl recognizing Shoe and being able to keep channeling Mia throughout the whole trial, Mia being able to give information about Maya's location, and Maya channeling Mia in the first place. Everyone is working together to bring this one despicable man down and everyone plays an important part. (AND IT HANDLES THIS A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN A CERTAIN CASE COUGH COUGH TURNABOUT ABLAZE) This even ties back into Phoenix sort of developing a martyr complex and him learning that he alone can't save everyone. The final piece isn't him presenting a piece of evidence to the court to turn an entire case around, it's him presenting a piece of evidence to an assassin to get his help. He says it himself in the intro, he is just a lawyer, but he alone is just a lawyer. With all of his friends and allies he has made along the way, he is more than just a lawyer. He's a bright beacon of justice. Truely, a phoenix rising from the ashes.
One of my most favorite lines in the game is the tile after the murder of the doctor while observing the metal door.
"The door is made of metal but we broke it down, I guess it couldn't take the PHOENIX!"
For what it's worth, even though I also prefer the pixel art, the HD art doesn't have scaling issues, and the redraws are at least on big enough objects that it doesn't look too bad, to me anyway. I think the biggest issue is that a lot of the shading looks weird, and some of the shapes seem off, but overall the art seems fine. I wouldn't worry about it too much either way.
Great vid as always! I feel you on Turnabout Big Top. I never really thought it was *that* bad other than the obvious squicky elements.
I love franziska not because she saved the day at the end, nor for her relationship with Edgeworth, but her clear moment of empathy that no one else gave Adrian. Franziska is the only one that truly cared about Adrian's feelings and the importance of keeping her secret. She told Adrian not to say anything in court not because she wanted to be an asshole, but because she genuinely wanted to protect her. She even reaches out to her after the trial. I think at that point she legitimately tried to change.
AA2 spoilers: I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on Edgeworth accidentally faking his own death. Personally I find it deeply funny
I went to a university where my major (computer science) was considered part of the engineering program, so one of my graduation requirements was an "engineering ethics" course. The midterm and final "exams" were basically just "pick a couple of these ethical dilemma prompts and write about what you think would be the Right Thing To Do in this scenario." However, we also had the option of *submitting* a dilemma prompt for others to answer, and if the professor accepted and used it then we'd get credit for that and not have to answer one. (The idea being that the point of the class was to get us thinking about ethics, not to teach us a set of universal Right Answers and Wrong Answers.)
I took this course in the spring of 2007, which means the North American release of Justice for All came out right at the beginning of the semester, and apparently I wasn't the only Ace Attorney in the class, because one of the dilemmas we had to choose from for the final was literally just 2-4. The prompt even referred to the game by name.
it's very funny to me that the most disliked of the original trilogy is my favorite one lol, i think people are blinded by their hatred of the circus case but in my opinion farewell my turnabout is so good it more than makes up for that trainwreck. on top of having my favorite case in the series (the aforementioned farewell my turnabout), jfa features my favorite prosecutor, franziska von karma. that probably explains why it's my favorite haha
It’s not just Big Top that has people feeling colder to this one. The first case is pretty weak too, and Francizka is definitely a matter of taste. Personally, I really didn’t like her going through this game and her antics with the whip grated on my nerves. So between having only two good cases and a prosecutor that frustrates people, there’s valid reasons to call this one the weakest of the trilogy. It’s certainly worth playing, but it’s undeniably flawed.
Can I just say that your voice work for these videos have been phenomenal. Absolutely incredible work!
I initially chose to sub to this channel during the dangaronpa retrospectives. Despite playing all the games you have mentioned, these videos feel like i'm experiencing the game all over again as I never looked at them the same way you did. These videos are what keep me around on the internet despite my overwhelming dislike for the environments on here. It was so easy to ignore the non case Dialog in Ace Attorney when I was a teenager, when I was so ignorant of the world and the things I constantly missed out on. Watching these videos helped me to realize that I focus too much on the destination and ignore the small things.
Thank you NezumiVA, I may have never noticed these things about my life without the retrospectives. It doesn't matter how many subs you have, the quality and dedication to your content speaks louder than any number can.
I recently finished listening to the AA1 retrospective for a second time so this is perfect timing. Super hyped
Post premire edit: I had to go to bed so I missed getting to experience the glory of 2:54:27 - 2:58:58 with everyone else in the premiere chat
Second time? Pathetic. I've listened to it at least 10 times
@@literallygrass1328 lmao
In my defense I only found this channel a few weeks ago
One of the things I found really interesting when it came to the later games is that Max kinda gets forgotten as the very first magician character in the series to be introduced, and is supposed to be pretty famous if not the most famous iirc. The fact that this doesn't get brought up or mentioned at all whenever the Troupe Gramarye (or Arumajiki depending on your preferences) business goes into full swing is probably one of the biggest missed chances in my opinion to do some connected storytelling between the OG trilogy and The AJ trilogy. Though it may just be possible that Shu wanted to forget about Turnabout Big Top for a number of reasons and just chose not to do so.
Once again, killer job with the the video and great voice acting as always. You nailed me at the end with Franziska and Edgeworth. I legit can't wait to hear you try and bring a certain vile villainess to life in T&T given how much people praise her as one of Ace Attorney's greatest villains and eagerly await the video.
I love the parallels between Pheonix and Edgeworth, even down to their supports. In a way, Manfred con Karma and Franciska are like a bizzaro version of Mia and Maya Fey respectively. The parallels to Maya and Franciska are much stronger, where they both serve as surrogate little sisters to Pheonix and Miles. Maybe I'm reading too far into it, but I'm open to hear more for anyone whose gone further into character studies with them. I only played the game once, so I can only go off of first impressions...
One of my favorite details is that, despite liberally applying her whip to basically anyone who slightly inconveniences her, Franziska never hits Pearl with the whip. As ruthless as she is, she's not cruel enough to attack a child
So so excited for this video !! Rewatched your last Ace Attorney Analysis twice, I’m obsessed with your voice acting and reviews of such a beloved series and this one’s going to be another hit !!!!
I really appreciate you taking a short detour to talk about Big Top's Anime depiction. I do need to mention Samurai's anime version as well, it's not too different, but it fleshes out and humanizes alot of it.
And of course, thank you so so so much for this whole video, it was such an amazing experience from start to finish.
First, this video made me cry twice and both times it was because of an emotional moment in the game you voiced over.
Secondly, Justice for All is a mixed bag for me. It has one honestly bad and not very memorable first case, a very good second case, the definition of “Third Case Syndrome”, and my favorite final case. It’s definitely one of my least favorite games in the series. It may have a lot of mid to bad to WHY parts, but it takes its great moments and runs with them, especially in the final case. The OST is also very good with some of the songs I feel are very underrated.
Pinned comment question: What do you *you* think is the most underrated sequel? (Of anything, not just Ace Attorney!)
Edit: If you’re going to comment about my complaints with Big Top, please save yourself some time and don’t bring up the age of consent in Japan. I don’t think it makes it any less creepy.
I know not many people have played either, but for me it'd be Chaos;Child, sequel to Chaos;Head, as well as Xenosaga 3. Both are some of my favorite games of all time but a lot of people dismiss them without really giving them the chance I believe they deserve.
For me its xenoblade chronicles 2. Its very much loved by many, but a lot of people hated the more anime-esque art style, among other more understandable reasons. But despite its absolutely insane run-time, I've played it like 4 times and I still love it with all my heart.
Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil. Some people don't even know Klonoa had a sequel (before the compilation released, at least), and I think it's an improvement in pretty much every field. Level design is improved, some new enemies allow for some really cool gimmicks, I like the soundtrack more than the original (Stepping Wind is the Klonoa fanbase's national anthem), and I adore how the story ties back to the original game's ending. I'm really glad more people know about it.
For ace attorney, I’d definitely say Spirit of Justice; it’s not perfect but it’s super consistent (even the filler case is short and entertaining) and very fun
@@alexclayman8697 xenoblade 2 is peak fiction
AWWW YEAH I'm so excited! The AA1 video blew me away with the phenomenal script and perfectly timed edits (I can only imagine how many gruelling hours of writing and editing these take), I can't wait to either binge this in one big, exciting flurry, or savour it slowly in delectable pieces
About the sprites discourse, I think it's mostly a matter of "which sprites did you discover the series with ?"
I, for instance, have discovered the series with the HD sprites, and I largely prefer the HD sprites. I don't hate the pixel sprites, but I find them a little too pixelated for their own good.
Same here, after seeing the non-pixelated version first, I gotta say it is hard to go to pixelated
The only thing I'd consider better in the pixel sprites is the shading. For a lot of the HD sprites it ends up looking way too smoothly blended when it shouldn't be. However, that's easy to ignore. I like that the details in the HD sprites are more clear and I think they just generally look better.
this was an incredible episode!! it's a wonderful experience learning about such a big series and caring about characters i may never have considered. the final trial had me choked up and so emotional. i can see just how much love and care you poured into this (and all of your videos!) and it's an incredible result- thank you, marcie!!
the last investigation sequence of farewell my turnabout is literally my fav sequence of the entire trilogy thus far. Engarde's complete 180 in personality and speech, Andrews's chilling words about Juan and how she felt no remorse defiling his corpse, the emotional message from Maya on the picture frame she left in the wine cellar, and Phoenix's own ever-raging internal conflict all come to ahead and it is so powerfully engaging from front to back. Just finished this game yesterday and I will be thinking about it for a LONG time to come that's for sure. Very excited to start T&T !!! (Also, awesome retrospective! I really look forward to watching these videos every time I finish a game to relive the experience again after it's over. Great stuff! :))
Amazing video Nezumi, though I will say one thing really itched me about this.
You say that Manfred Von Karma didn't go to the hospital only to avoid the humiliation of surgery but I always thought the reason he didn't go to surgery was so he didn't have anything to implicate himself in the crime. This is because the bullet being lodged in his shoulder is the only thing placing him at the crime scene so he decided not to leave a paper trail with the hospital, not expecting that years later that connection would be revealed by a scrappy attorney with a metal detector.
Bit of a slip on my part, lol, my intention wasn't to say that was the _only reason_ he didn't go, just contrasting the differences in situations. It was that perfectionist nature that led him to those circumstances, he wouldn't have had to hide a murder if he didn't feel the need to commit one, which was spurred from that "stain" on his record from Gregory, etc. If that makes sense! Franziska doesn't have to hide a murder, of course, but while she hasn't taken her losses well, she didn't continue further down that path, the bullet is just a good aesthetic representation of that diverging path to me. Could've probably made that clearer, though.
I replay all the Ace Attorney games every couple years, and in my latest replay in 2020, I named JFA my favorite in the trilogy. Great cast, great cases, great overarching plot. It's an improvement on AA in every way- perfectly perfect, as Franziska might say. I adore JFA, and look forward to hearing what you think about it.
Despite beating the game more than once in the past, when I got to THAT decision in JFA I spent like 10 minutes staring at my DS and having an existential crisis. That's how good this game is.
Tbh when I started playing the first game I thought "It would be a nice case concept if they made Phoenix be forced to defend a guilty party and see how he would deal with it". Then I started Farewell, my turnabout. Then Im like...omg this is happening...
Outstanding video. It's one thing to recap the events of the game but to do so in a way that convays the feeling of a first playthrough is just masterful. Your presentation and performance are so good that I teared up multiple times during the final case.
This actually is my first Phoenix Wright game, and I thought it was great. The first case felt a bit slow, but the second one was great. Third case was actually pretty fun for me since I was young enough to not notice anything about the age and everyone looks anime anyways so age wasn't really a consideration for me - it was just a standard love triangle, but the killer's solemn atmosphere got to me. And don't even get me to the final case - the reveal, the choice, and the tension, it was all such WTF moment to me that I was immediately a fan.
So I believe that Big Top is a low point for the series, but im actually willing to defend the cloak snagging on the bust.
If you try to solve it from a physics angle, I agree its unreasonable to expect someone to come to that conclusion.
However, I do believe it's solvable given what you already know. You know that Max took off his his cloak when talking to the ringmaster, you know that someone was seen walking in the cloak towards the crime scene, you know that Moe saw what looked like a cloaked Max floating up in the air, and you know it was Acro dropping the bust that killed the victim.
I actually remember putting it together as a kid and feeling kind of proud, but I do concede that a lot of people wouldn't jump to that conclusion.
Also, am I the only one who didn't mind Turnabout Big Top all that much? It has some really low points but the emotional strength of it imo really saves it from the trash heap. The Berry Circus family dynamic is so touching and the truth of the case is surprisingly sober and sad.
The Regina stuff is... yeah, unnerving, but it never really goes anywhere in the end, so it's... not as bad as it could've been. I do remember rolling my eyes at it often.
That said, Farewell My Turnabout is still my most favoritest case in the whole trilogy. It's so grand and tense and perfectly paced. It's got that action movie cheese coupled with some genuine excruciating emotional tension.
And yeah, I remember seeing the anime's scene with Regina at the end of the trial and think it was really beautiful.
I like it fine, always found the romance subplot as an excuse for dumb jokes rather than anything to take seriously, and I actually like Moe the clown (I thought his testimony section was pretty creative, since AA games have no real punishment for failure anyway!) Music is still a pain tho.
I'm surprised the presenting of profiles got a pass when until Apollo Justice they are presentable alongside evidence, so it technically increases your evidence list. I have seen struggles where people didn't realize they were looking in the wrong spot.
I love Justice for All. I've maintained it's a rare instance where its parts are greater than the sum of them. Part of this is because I played T&T significantly later and spoiled. In PAL regions, it came out AFTER Apollo Justice (and actually never did come out in Australia on the DS) but I think 2-2 and 2-4 are top ten cases. I also really enjoy 2-3 for its sympathetic villain. I also think its cross examination allegro is the best in the series. Glad to hear such a comprehensive analysis of it.
I’m forcing my boyfriend to play the trilogy with me, since I’ve been hyperfixated for years, and these videos have been super helpful for me. They’re helping me jog my memory so I seem cool and like I actually know what I’m doing lol. Thanks so much for the videos they’re incredible so far!
the sprite of "maya" in reunion, and turnabout with her eyes covered will always scare me. it's always had that uncanny valley vibe to me.
Imma just say two things: not mentioning how oddly cute Franziska looks in Gumshoe's coat feels like a crime, specially with her smug-ass grin about coming in clutch
And secondly, God, Shelly De Killer's policy about traitorous clients really is pulling a symbiote Amazing Spiderman
("SHOCKEEEEEEEER, I'LL HUNT YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EAAAAAAAARTH")
Wow, your voice work seriously blew me away! Your performance as Franziska was excellent!! INCREDIBLE video as always!!
Man, Umineko music really fits amazingly in the moments that really deserves it. 7 weights and Yomitsu Hirasaka Corruption RULES in the both parts that were used RULES (favorite tracks btw)
This video served as a refresher, mainly that Justice for all rules with that last case and the second one (i'm comfortable into lying to myself into believing that Big top turnabout was an anime only arc, especially after... That love triangle thingie). It's a good game, even if it gets more often than not overshadowed (with i feel justified reasons even when the highs of this game are very high) by T&T.
We pogging with another fantastic video 💪
One thing you haven't noted on that I think is pretty important is
The title
Because its the theme of the game.
Apart from the filler tutorial case, the three cases in this case are all about justice and how...it wasn't delivered. Ini was the true victim of the case and forced into a horrible situation while Grey was despicable, there were no real culprits in Big Top, only victims and people who suffered. In both of those instances, no justice was delivered by condemning both Ini and Acro to die. By the way, every culprit in Ace Attorney is sentenced to death. I think those two cases were instrumental to lead up to Farewell to raise the point of moral greyness of being a lawyer and not having the culprits be cartoonishly evil like in the first game. It all leads up to Farewell. Because the fate almost repeated. The victim once again wasn't the actual victim of the case, they were a horrible human being. Adrian was the true victim, just like Ini was, and she could have easily been driven to murder Matt if she was forced into that situation like Ini. Only by finally standing up to Matt we break the curse of the three cases and convict the true culprit and allow justice to be made.
Which for me makes it all weirder that Recipe for Turnabout was written for this game because it doesn't fit the theme or the motif at all. There is some sympathetic backstory with Violetta but last thing I would call that case is morally grey, its a lot more extra than the first two games, just like the rest of the third game. Also Recipe fits so PERFECTLY into the motif that all Trials and Tribulations cases have then I wonder if Takumi wrote the game AROUND Recipe so it fits. Not only does every single case feature complicated relationships and love, once again showing an abusive relationship and how it can damage a person with Violetta, which happens several times in the game, but it also involves poison, which is the third time in the game. I wonder what you will say about Recipe fitting Justice for All more than it does Trials because for me it's not even comparable, Recipe fits Trials freakishly too well.
Definitely an interesting way to look at it! Initially I said Recipe would have fit better simply because I just thought it was of higher quality and would have made sense in that it brought Maggey back around, but when you put it like that I do see your point. Interested to see how I feel about that going back through T&T when I get to recording the footage soon.
I don't think that *every* culprit in AA series is sentenced to death. As some information suggests - it's really depending on circumstances of the case. The more severe those circumstances are - the higher chance to be actually executed. Like, we can definitely assume that every "justifiable self-defense" case is probably "safe" in terms of the sentence. And judging by some information from AAI2, even some murderers can still have a chance for rehabilitation, while some other murderers can have a lifetime in prison. Technically, we know only... maybe 3 or 4 cases where true culprit definitively *was* sentenced for execution?..
All the others, though, we don't have a clue. We can more or less infer the data on our hands, but that would be nothing more than headcannons.
I mean this in the best possible way,
Your Edgeworth voice is exactly how I imagined him speaking as a kid.
Glad someone else exists that didn’t automatically picture him as british, haha.
Honestly, I always thought it was strange that the narrative was that Phoenix was on a winning streak up until intentionally getting Engarde a guilty verdict. I just always figured that there were probably plenty of cases that happened off screen or otherwise in-between games that were just of less interest. The way Maya reminisces about Phoenix and Edgeworth always going back and forth in the courtroom always felt something like an implication that they faced off in more than the three cases against him from the original game.
I know a lot of people don’t like the Lost Turnabout, but I personally have no problems with it. They knew they had to do the tutorial stuff again so they just said “eh screw it let’s just not take it seriously at all”. Richard Wellington is genuinely hilarious to me and I greatly enjoy his presence. That said, I totally get why others don’t like it.
I never understood why they abandoned being able to present characters as evidence. It made everything feel way more intricate.
Maya at this point can murder someone and everyone will automatically assume that she was framed.
I knew I hated the Big Top OST, but I did not expect to have such a visceral reaction when it played throughout the Big Top section of the video. No music has had such a viscious reaction come out of me before LMAOO it was almost painful 😭 also just wanted to mention this was a great video, your storytelling is flipping great
This is definitely my favourite game of the original trilogy, mainly for the last case alone. Everyone trying to keep the case going at the end until the evidence arrives and shooting back and forth like the world's most intense volleyball game is so exciting, and I just love Franziska so much. I also love how Edgeworth is a bit more mature (not that he was immature before, but he definitely has well earned wisdom to depart onto both Phoenix and Franziska.)
Okay i can finally put a serious comment! So yesterday i watched the first part with my mother and you made me and her laugh a bunch. We were really both invested so I’m excited for this one as well
Shoutout to Adrian Andrews, I hope she falls in love with another woman and lives happily every after, definitely strong sapphic energy
This video is absolutely a work of art! I mean, I couldn’t even imagine the amount of passion you have for Ace Attorney for you to even make just one 3 and a half hour video about it, let alone 2! I’m just so impressed!
I’m so happy that Farewell, My Turnanout gets its due respect here! It’s always been the standout case of the series for me, for reasons you described very well!
Also, gotta respect the Adrian thirst, I was definitely on the same page back then 😅
I did always think that general opinions about Justice for All were giving the game little credit, so I felt very vindicated by this video and enjoyed it immensely as always! Your own thoughts, experiences and analysis are what Im always most excited to hear about in your retrospectives. The way your videos are put together is nothing short of masterful too. When watching them the pace and the hype is always on point. I also wanted to mention that your coverage of the second case of this game made me enjoy it even more in retrospect, especially when you went into the themes of family surrounding it because it really demonstrated just how perfectly that all falls into place and is explored at just about every step throughout.