I always thought people said that this run was just a tight and steep glade that should have been a double black - this video proved that wrong lol! That cliff section looked WILD!!!
@@telestix6606that’s what I meant by apples to oranges. I spent 14 ski seasons in Colorado and the surface conditions and tree tightness are night and day on inbounds glades. A black run at cannon mt can be scarier than a double black out west. The rating system at resorts are not relevant to each other. Mad River Glen like Cannon have only single blacks but their toughest trails would be rated double black extreme any where else in the world.
This trail is easily the craziest at Smuggs. Congrats on not breaking anything on the way down! I had a friend whos in some of my videos (he's an amazing skier) literally snap his pole in half right about where you guys fell.
No. Although, I’m not sure if all ski resorts use the same system when it gets to areas that are really sketchy. I believe in Snowbird you need permission to access one or two runs that are extremely difficult. I don’t believe they are called Triple Diamonds but whatever the equivalent or more dangerous to that would be..
The Goat on the other side of Mt Mansfield is far more difficult. I lived at the base of Mansfield for decades and skied Stowe mostly. We used to joke about this as an advertising ploy. Neither is “maintained”. Smuggler’s is the more affordable family skiing destination with Stowe at $180 a day.
From what I can tell the run is "The Black Hole" at Smuggler's Notch, which has an average slope of 29 degrees, and a brief maximum of 46 degrees near the top of the run.
No possible way this is a triple black. Heck corbets couloir is a double black. And I know GoPros often don’t do justice, but I have skied both this and many double blacks in the west including corbets. And many double blacks on the west are harder than this. I call cap on the ♦️♦️♦️ rating
The vast majority of west coast ski resorts (including Jackson Hole) do not use the triple black rating system. Some resorts have only double black, some only double black EX, and most are a combination of the two. So just because this one is triple black doesn't mean its harder than west coast double blacks.
@@ericgosnell9428i think they also grade slopes on a different scale. since all the slopes there are generally flatter, a black diamond in the east would probably be a blue in the west. like to me, other than that pretty steep part, it just looked like regular black trees.
@@ericgosnell9428fun fact: "double black ex" is the only trail rating held to a specific standard. It's actually mandated to be rated and marked as extreme terrain by the state of CO based on steepness, exposure/cliffs/mandatory air, and tree spacing. So if you find yourself on any terrain that isn't "double black extreme" within the state of Colorado, the rating is entirely subjective.
Actually the east coast has worse conditions so this is not true. If you have to ski this on an average day and not a powder day you would probably know.
The Goat with two fall lines at Stowe is. I lived in Verbier for 17 years where on some trails/bowls/chutes if you miss a turn you die. The Swiss bill your family for the body rescue. Typically around CHF5,000.
I lived in Stowe for 50 years and was a stockholder in the original Mountain Company.I taught skiing there as well as at Smuggles in the blind program back in the 70’s. I’ve skied over 3,000 days in 8 different countries. So I know something about eastern skiing. I’m 79 and still ski.
@@ST19859 😂we have many ant hills well over 2k of vertical a couple 3k+ 1 over 4k like I say u don’t know squat beyond ur own nose. By the way they don’t have World Cup races on packed powder they have it on blocks of ice.
I always thought people said that this run was just a tight and steep glade that should have been a double black - this video proved that wrong lol! That cliff section looked WILD!!!
There’s another triple black diamond at Le Massif in Quebec
Glades in the east are significantly more difficult than out west ive extensively skied both. U cant compare corbets to this run apples to oranges.
Corbets isn't a glade run, you need to compare west coast glades to east coast glades
@@telestix6606that’s what I meant by apples to oranges. I spent 14 ski seasons in Colorado and the surface conditions and tree tightness are night and day on inbounds glades. A black run at cannon mt can be scarier than a double black out west. The rating system at resorts are not relevant to each other. Mad River Glen like Cannon have only single blacks but their toughest trails would be rated double black extreme any where else in the world.
This trail is easily the craziest at Smuggs. Congrats on not breaking anything on the way down! I had a friend whos in some of my videos (he's an amazing skier) literally snap his pole in half right about where you guys fell.
How do you get such a good angle on your GoPro if that’s what you have
It’s on the front of my helmet. Most people put it on the top which gives you less view of your skis.
There was a triple black diamond at Sunday river in Maine called Spruce Cliff. But it’s not on the map anymore.
That was never a triple black diamond, it was only rated as a double diamond. You can check the old maps if you dont believe me
That looks crazy!!!
Nice skiing
Is This the only triple black diamond ski run outside of Big Sky Resort in Montana?
No. Although, I’m not sure if all ski resorts use the same system when it gets to areas that are really sketchy. I believe in Snowbird you need permission to access one or two runs that are extremely difficult. I don’t believe they are called Triple Diamonds but whatever the equivalent or more dangerous to that would be..
The Goat on the other side of Mt Mansfield is far more difficult. I lived at the base of Mansfield for decades and skied Stowe mostly. We used to joke about this as an advertising ploy. Neither is “maintained”. Smuggler’s is the more affordable family skiing destination with Stowe at $180 a day.
thats really cool, whats the gradient?
I'm estimating 38 degrees
65-70 degrees on the steep parts!
@@Skierkidsontheeast snow doesnt cling more then 60, maybe cus of trees, but thats insane, good job not dying
@@SkierkidsontheeastI doubt it’s that steep but it definitely looks sketchy and difficult. Good job skiing that triple black bro!
From what I can tell the run is "The Black Hole" at Smuggler's Notch, which has an average slope of 29 degrees, and a brief maximum of 46 degrees near the top of the run.
How did I know he was eventually going to crash into his buddy?
Geez
No possible way this is a triple black. Heck corbets couloir is a double black. And I know GoPros often don’t do justice, but I have skied both this and many double blacks in the west including corbets. And many double blacks on the west are harder than this. I call cap on the ♦️♦️♦️ rating
The vast majority of west coast ski resorts (including Jackson Hole) do not use the triple black rating system. Some resorts have only double black, some only double black EX, and most are a combination of the two. So just because this one is triple black doesn't mean its harder than west coast double blacks.
@@ericgosnell9428i think they also grade slopes on a different scale. since all the slopes there are generally flatter, a black diamond in the east would probably be a blue in the west. like to me, other than that pretty steep part, it just looked like regular black trees.
@@lulunomu Having skiied in the east, I can confirm that the hardest double blacks feel like a single black in the rockies/west coast
The main reason that this is a triple black is because the conditions out east I really icy
@@ericgosnell9428fun fact: "double black ex" is the only trail rating held to a specific standard. It's actually mandated to be rated and marked as extreme terrain by the state of CO based on steepness, exposure/cliffs/mandatory air, and tree spacing.
So if you find yourself on any terrain that isn't "double black extreme" within the state of Colorado, the rating is entirely subjective.
That is no joke.
DJ’s or Kinsmen at Cannon are comparable and wear a single black and would be dbl black ex at any other area on the planet
You guys are crazy....way,way....to tight...for me....
I prefer open areas
kooweeel!
That doesn't even look fun. Just so you can brag
😭
Your average double black on west coast
Pretty much and it doesn’t deserve the triple black rating.
Actually the east coast has worse conditions so this is not true. If you have to ski this on an average day and not a powder day you would probably know.
It’s was very ice which it is most times on the trail and is very tight and hard to make turns.
@@Greatifys coming from snowbowl Arizona this is are average double black ice run lol. We snowboard on straight ice too
Great run tho good views on this clip
There no such thing as a double black east of the Rockies much less a triple
The Goat with two fall lines at Stowe is. I lived in Verbier for 17 years where on some trails/bowls/chutes if you miss a turn you die. The Swiss bill your family for the body rescue. Typically around CHF5,000.
U obvious don’t know squat about eastern skiing😂
I lived in Stowe for 50 years and was a stockholder in the original Mountain Company.I taught skiing there as well as at Smuggles in the blind program back in the 70’s. I’ve skied over 3,000 days in 8 different countries. So I know something about eastern skiing. I’m 79 and still ski.
@@diver3444 I guess you have a point, any little ant hill can be a double diamond when you are riding a crappy block of ice
@@ST19859 😂we have many ant hills well over 2k of vertical a couple 3k+ 1 over 4k like I say u don’t know squat beyond ur own nose.
By the way they don’t have World Cup races on packed powder they have it on blocks of ice.