The Roots of Reformation: John Wycliffe

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    CORRECTION: The individual who oversaw the desecration of Wycliffe’s remains was the Bishop of Lincoln not (as I said) the Bishop of London.
    Today we’re exploring the life and legacy of John Wycliffe, sometimes called “the Morningstar of the Reformation”…
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    Linked videos and playlists:
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    Images (from Wikimedia Commons, unless otherwise stated):
    Portrait of John Wycliffe by Thomas Kirkby (c.1828). Held by Balliol College.
    An illuminated manuscript miniature of Edward III of England. From the 1430 Bruges Garter Book made by William Bruges (1375-1450), first Garter King of Arms, British Library, Stowe 594 ff. 7v.
    Portrait of John of Gaunt by an unknown artist (c.1593). Held in a private collection.
    Old St Paul's Cathedral in London from Early Christian Architecture by Francis Bond (1913). From a Copy, in the possession of Mr. Crace, Esq., of the earliest known view of London, taken by Van der Wyngarde for Philip II. of Spain. (Signed W.H. Prior, Typographic Etching Co., Pub. c.1875).
    Coronation of Richard II aged ten in 1377, from the Recueil des croniques of Jean de Wavrin (15th century). Held by the British Library, London.
    Richard II meeting with the rebels of the Peasants' Revolt of 1381 from Jean Froissart, Chroniques (between 1401 and 1500). Held by the Bibliothèque nationale de France.
    An illustration of the priest John Ball ("Jehã Balle") on a horse encouraging Wat Tyler's rebels ("Waultre le tieulier") of 1381, from a ca. 1470 manuscript of Jean Froissart's Chronicles in the British Library. Detail of British Library manuscript "Royal 18 E. I f.165v" as scanned at molcat1.bl.uk/I...
    Photograph of “Wycliffe’s Bible” on display in the British Library, taken in 2021 by Coldupnorth
    Woodcut showing the desecration of Wycliffe’s remains from John Foxe’s Acts and Monuments. For full text, see: www.johnfoxe.o...
    Quoted texts:
    Anne Hudson and Anthony Kenny, ODNB entry for John Wyclif[fe]
    Thomas Walsingham, Chronica Maiora (1376-1422)
    Medieval Sourcebook:
    Pope Gregory XI : The Condemnation of Wycliffe 1382 and Wycliffe's Reply, 1384: pages.uoregon....
    Henry Knighton's Chronicon (14th century)
    John Foxe’s Acts and Monuments (1583)
    Also consulted, were:
    Other relevant entries from The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Online.
    #History #Reformation #Medieval

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  • @ReadingthePast
    @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +88

    CORRECTION: The individual who oversaw the desecration of Wycliffe’s remains was the Bishop of Lincoln not (as I said) the Bishop of London.

  • @amandagrayson389
    @amandagrayson389 2 роки тому +28

    I have always found it extremely ironic that people (and the Anglican Church) credit Henry VIII with the beginning of the English Reformation when it is obvious that Henry had no interest in changing the Catholic religion, he just needed to get his way. Of course, ‘getting his way’ opened the doors to change, which saw hidden and heretical teachings developing and coming out of the woodwork and by the end of his reign, we have Protestant teachers and writers and those in power such as Katherine Parr and Thomas Cranmer as well as young children, such as Elizabeth, Edward and Jane Grey, who have been raised in the Protestant faith. I don’t think Henry foresaw any of this. Breaking with the Pope was simply a means to an end.

  • @singing-sands
    @singing-sands 2 роки тому +8

    Dr. Kat asks: “What do you think?” I think that this is one of the most succinct and well researched lectures on this topic that I have ever had the fortune to hear!

  • @VampwolfWarrior
    @VampwolfWarrior 2 роки тому +22

    Another hit from Dr. Kat our history Queen! Much congratulations for 100,000 subscribers again! Might I humbly request a video on Eustace Chapuys? This man was EVERYWHERE and yet there is not a single video on UA-cam dedicated to his life, accomplishments, or impacts on history. I would love to hear what you make of the theory that he had feelings for Mary Tudor.

  • @annfisher3316
    @annfisher3316 2 роки тому +25

    Very interesting to go pre- Henry Vlll for reformation history, thank you for the video. Looking forward to seeing your well deserved, shiny 100,000 subscribers plaque in the background.
    Congratulations! 👏

  • @sarahwatts7152
    @sarahwatts7152 2 роки тому +22

    Before this, I absolutely thought the driving force behind the Reformation was Henry VIII's pants. Awesome to have a more nuanced view!

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +10

      He, of course, would attempt to take full credit (even if it meant acknowledging his pants) 🤣

    • @TeresaEliz
      @TeresaEliz 2 роки тому +3

      @@ReadingthePast 🤣 Love this!

    • @mesamies123
      @mesamies123 2 роки тому +2

      @@ReadingthePast BRILLIANT! 😈😆😎❤

    • @davidbivinsblinc32
      @davidbivinsblinc32 2 роки тому

      Hello

    • @davidbivinsblinc32
      @davidbivinsblinc32 2 роки тому

      @@TeresaEliz hello

  • @yoclark2723
    @yoclark2723 2 роки тому +16

    I was looking forward to this video, Being a protestant, We regard Wycliffe as one of the foundations of the reformation and of course for bringing the scriptures to the common people. There is a bible translation group that aims to translate the Bible into every language on earth. Wycliff Bible Translators have almost got that job finished. Only a few more to go!

  • @SyntaxError83
    @SyntaxError83 2 роки тому +3

    Listen, History Hit is amazing and imma let them finish, but Dr Kat is the GREATEST ARBITER OF HISTORY OF ALL TIME.

  • @Myke_OBrien
    @Myke_OBrien 2 роки тому +10

    I’m embarrassed to admit that prior to this, I thought that Henry Tudor’s desire for Mistress Boleyn was the driving force of the English revolution. I shall go stand in the corner.

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +8

      There is absolutely no need for embarrassment! This is how the story has most commonly been told.

    • @katyp.2495
      @katyp.2495 2 роки тому

      One who should go and stand in the corner is my son in law, who thought this week's topic was about Wycliffe the Cornish police detective 😳!

    • @davidbivinsblinc32
      @davidbivinsblinc32 2 роки тому

      Hello

  • @cheryld.3616
    @cheryld.3616 2 роки тому +14

    Dr. Kat have you recorded a documentary on John of Gaunt? He's one of the historic persons I'd love to have dinner with! He had so much power to be a brother to a king, survived and didn't try to overthrow and so many subsequent powerful persons declared their line back to him as a justification.

    • @kylemarshall7040
      @kylemarshall7040 2 роки тому +2

      I would love to see a video of John of Gaunt too. He's also the person from the past that I'd like to have dinner with.

    • @vbrooker1
      @vbrooker1 7 місяців тому

      I third a video about John of Gaunr! A lot of what I know about him comes from Anya Seton’s book “Katherine”, so I could probably use some real history!

  • @lindaisenegger163
    @lindaisenegger163 2 роки тому +5

    Absolutely dig in your heels folks (cheeky screeching cartoon sound needed) ..this was a brilliant look at how those reforms were well on their way before King Fancy Pants dalliances and Gutenberg's press...

  • @kathyastrom1315
    @kathyastrom1315 2 роки тому +38

    Even though I am a lapsed Catholic-turned Agnostic, I love reading about religious history. One of my favorite areas is the creation of Christianity, but the beginnings of the Reformation is also high on my list of interests.
    Personally, I think that even if Wycliffe had never existed, the Reformation would have happened for many reasons, not the least of which was the printing press. The Catholic Church had become such a deeply entrenched conservative organization that it was impossible for it to adjust to the rapid influx of information and new ideas of theology and philosophy that grew from it.

  • @alexismedacco8764
    @alexismedacco8764 2 роки тому +7

    You are the best Dr.Kat.Thanks for your channel and being my company all during the pandemic.Many blessings 👑👑👑❤❤❤

  • @jayleigh4642
    @jayleigh4642 2 роки тому +9

    Love love love love love this channel. Nice cup of tea, slice of cake and Dr Kat… what’s not to love? 😊

  • @jamest2401
    @jamest2401 2 роки тому +1

    John Wycliffe was simply ahead of his time. His message was just something that Medieval Europe was not yet prepared to hear, and the Roman Church was still too powerful. If only Wycliffe had had the support of the German Princes as Luther did.

  • @okiejammer2736
    @okiejammer2736 2 роки тому +4

    WHOOHOO! It's FRIDAY! 🎉

  • @MitjaC
    @MitjaC 2 роки тому +11

    What an interesting lesson! I am usually not interested in religious topics, but this video was very interesting and I enjoyed listening to you. Thank you for all your effort, dr. Kat ❤️

  • @morriganwitch
    @morriganwitch 2 роки тому +5

    Very interesting gives much more depth to this issue xxx

  • @ozelhassan8576
    @ozelhassan8576 2 роки тому +4

    I have been watching the Monarchs anonymous as per your suggestion and it’s so funny, I’m loving it.

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +2

      Yay 🙌 I’m so pleased! Thank you 😊

    • @amberadams9310
      @amberadams9310 2 роки тому

      [Growling tone] Elizabeth!
      I love them!!

  • @gwynwellliver4489
    @gwynwellliver4489 2 роки тому +1

    I don't know nearly about Wycliffe as I ought to. Thank you!

  • @marjoriejohnston3038
    @marjoriejohnston3038 2 роки тому +2

    Your videos are a great time out. A sit down. Pouring rain in the Burren County Clare, west of Ireland. 🖐☘

  • @johnwhitehead4446
    @johnwhitehead4446 2 роки тому +5

    An excellent introduction to a complex man and a complex topic for the no-specialist, and for those who do know something about Wyclif and his followers a good point of reference. One minor correction - it was the Bishop of Lincoln who in 1428 had Wyclif’s bones exhumed and burned, as Lutterworth was in his diocese, not the Bishop of London.

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +4

      You are absolutely right! I must have had a disconnect in the brain to mouth connection 🤦🏻‍♀️ thank you for pointing it out 😊

  • @ginadelfina5887
    @ginadelfina5887 2 роки тому +6

    This was really interesting to learn more about John Wycliffe. Book recommendation: "The Chronicles of Hugh de Singleton," by Mel Starr. It's a historical fiction mystery series set in 1300s England; the main character is a surgeon & bailiff who solves mysteries, sometimes with help from his good friend & mentor, John Wycliffe. By the way, would you ever do a video about Tyndale?

  • @emmapadgett1181
    @emmapadgett1181 2 роки тому +1

    Lol, just had an ad that was for over an hour. Not sure how many people wouldn't skip that one.

  • @peggystoutemorin4529
    @peggystoutemorin4529 2 роки тому +7

    You are an amazing woman/historian.

  • @nichola607
    @nichola607 2 роки тому +2

    OOO, exciting - will get round to a time when I can watch this uninterrupted :)

  • @alexhoover2270
    @alexhoover2270 2 роки тому +2

    ps been watching other videos on replay again to get my fix of history and while a patiencely wait for a new video

  • @lisakilmer2667
    @lisakilmer2667 2 роки тому +8

    Protests against the Catholic Church date back to Roman times. Augustine, Benedict, Francis, Savonarola and others are well-known reformers. I suspect the elevation of Wycliffe to the status he holds today has to do with his availability as a specifically English martyr. His affiliation with Lollardy and the extent of his censure by the authorities made him a perfect "model English martyr." I strongly believe that Protestantism needed the invention of moveable type/the printing press in order to overtake Europe: those who were critical of church issues were suddenly able to mentally unite and find strength in numbers.

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +4

      These are great points! Thank you for sharing!

  • @jfs59nj
    @jfs59nj 2 роки тому +2

    Another brilliant Friday discourse. Thank you.

  • @nyckolaus
    @nyckolaus 2 роки тому +1

    Fascinating! Thank you, Dr. Kat.

  • @divertissementmonas
    @divertissementmonas 2 роки тому +5

    Keep up the excellent work Dr Kat!
    John Foxe could just as well have been talking about papal Rome when he wrote " O extreme plagues of God's vengenace." By the Middle Ages it had been transformed into a small uninhabited wilderness. Bernini was incredibly lucky to have been supported by all six popes during his life time to have created the 'piazza del teatro di San Pietro' . The staring role in this theatre has always been held by the popes - the protectors of the Latin culture of the ancients! One needs to do some classical studies in order to get an understanding of what this culture was (and is).

  • @cabbking
    @cabbking 2 роки тому +3

    My middle school Sunday School teachers certainly believed Wycliffe was essential to the reformation (Presbyterians)

  • @mellaw1115
    @mellaw1115 2 роки тому +1

    Congratulations on your 100,000, and thanks for this video. I knew a (very) little about Wycliffe; I didn't realize he was such a radical in the best, and original, sense of the word.

  • @theresalaux5655
    @theresalaux5655 2 роки тому +3

    Very interesting, as always. Thank you Dr Kat!

  • @carolyperez8075
    @carolyperez8075 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for doing this Channel as well as Wycliffe. I found it very interesting to hear a UK person/historian tell it from a non-church history viewpoint.

  • @Chalis53
    @Chalis53 2 роки тому +4

    Great talk. I think that Wycliffe influenced Jan Huss (1369-1415) who certainly influenced Martin Luther. Hus also features in Acts and Monuments.

  • @oh_riley7104
    @oh_riley7104 2 роки тому +3

    I got 30 points taken off a grad level test for forgetting this guy in the "Reformation History" part of my essay. Wish I'd had this video approximately 10 years ago 😭

  • @carolmcbride7552
    @carolmcbride7552 2 роки тому +5

    I'd be interested in hearing about Cromwell's anti-Catholicism and alleged philo-semitism

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +3

      That’s a great topic idea! Thank you 😊

  • @suswik3682
    @suswik3682 2 роки тому +1

    This was really interesting. I read a biography of John Wycliffe many many years ago. It seems to me to be an age of enlightenment with massive push back due to the imbalance if power in the Catholic church at the time. He was far more reformist than Luther. I need to read more about Luther's thoughts on Wycliffe. Very very informative video. I am going to research a bit. Thanks Dr Cat!

  • @luciaperri4274
    @luciaperri4274 2 роки тому +3

    I wish we knew more about the Lollards and their spread of the gospel prior to Henry VIII. I read on Wikipedia that they were active in Wiltshire. I wonder if the Boleyns were Protestant before Henry VIII choose Anne Boleyn. Does anyone know?

  • @margeoconnor166
    @margeoconnor166 2 роки тому +2

    I'm not a theologian nor a history professional. -- Simply curious on the cultural differences among various European cultures concerning "mendicancy." Celebrated and revered in Italy in the example of Francis of Assisi vs the revulsion and eventual criminalization of poverty in England.

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +3

      I wonder why different cultures respond in these distinct ways too.

  • @ChristChickAutistic
    @ChristChickAutistic 2 роки тому +4

    "Okay ladies let's get in Reformation."

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +1

      🤣 love it!

    • @ChristChickAutistic
      @ChristChickAutistic 2 роки тому

      @@ReadingthePast I just couldn't resist! 😂My inner Anna Von Klefe was coming out! 😂😂😂 And I'm actually Catholic! 😂😂😂😂

  • @LivingInChrysalis
    @LivingInChrysalis Рік тому

    I'd never heard of him, thank you!

  • @313motown
    @313motown 2 роки тому +1

    As an American I find All your videos enlightening. As an American it is sort of nice (in a twisted way) to be reassured the world has gone insane many times. God knows what we will look like when we come out the other side, but it seems we will likely survive in some form

  • @megremisfamily4music
    @megremisfamily4music 2 роки тому +2

    Another excellent video, Kat! I learned lots of new information today about the reformation. Interesting to me is how these ideas were fomenting hundreds of years before Martin Luther.

    • @megremisfamily4music
      @megremisfamily4music 2 роки тому

      I meant say Dr Kat, not simply Kat- my apologies!

    • @robertmurphree7210
      @robertmurphree7210 11 місяців тому

      In the 14nth century there was unrest towards the church, its worldliness, various issues, dual pope's in france avignon and rome. This unrest grew til luther in the 15nth century. The time and circumstances were not right until Luther's time. The issues and doctrinal issues were around in Wyclffe's time. Luther's success was partly where and when he lived.

  • @platedlizard
    @platedlizard 2 роки тому +1

    It’s so interesting what people thought was important enough to severely punish which today people might tut tut over but not take any action.

  • @TheDonMan97
    @TheDonMan97 2 роки тому

    I just want to say thank you for these videos... they are literally my bed time stories haha

  • @lauracassie9842
    @lauracassie9842 2 роки тому +2

    I think I can remember from A Level history a sect of reformers in Hungary around this time who were persecuted for challenging Catholicism and there were “pockets” of reformers in Europe before Luther and Calvin.

    • @kathyjohnson2043
      @kathyjohnson2043 2 роки тому +3

      There were absolutely reformers before Luther. There is a fairly comprehensive list in Wikipedia under early reformers

    • @lauracassie9842
      @lauracassie9842 2 роки тому +1

      @@kathyjohnson2043 thanks Kathy I’ll check this out!

  • @Talesfromthefoxden
    @Talesfromthefoxden 2 роки тому +1

    Fascinating 👏🍀

  • @louisacosentino9543
    @louisacosentino9543 2 роки тому +3

    Bravo Brother John! Thank you for highlighting the Gospel and Jesus as all-sufficient!
    Great video Dr. Kat! Congratulations on your 100K subscribers!

  • @ruthanneseven
    @ruthanneseven 2 роки тому +3

    I would love to read that bible version. I collect different bibles. Very interesting.
    Love this video!

  • @steffaniabercrombierealtor3343
    @steffaniabercrombierealtor3343 2 роки тому +7

    I thought this was a very interesting video. It always seemed strange to me that so much focus on the reformation included Henry the eighth. Although I don’t know if King Henry believed the reformation or it just suited his purposes. But I appreciate that you went deeper into where the reformation actually began. Considering the hundreds of years of fighting and violence and death that resulted from the reformation it’s nice to have a deeper understanding. I would be interested if you did a video on where the Catholics got all of their history, their practices, their superstitions. I don’t know if that something you would be interested in looking into since it’s a very specific and religious focus but considering the turmoil that was created between Catholics and the protestants I would love to know where or how the Catholics got their start.

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +7

      I’d love to investigate the early church! Maybe I’ll give it a deep dive, thank you 😊

    • @Laura-ed5kf
      @Laura-ed5kf 2 роки тому

      A GREAT series, preached from my side of the pond, so it DOES follow the American-church right around the time of Wycliffe, Huss, and Luther…about when Europe began emigrating to the Americas to escape persecution & the Inquisition. Still, I HIGHLY recommend it for Church-history leading up to these this period…& then the last teaching when he gets into the contemporary American, evangelical mega-church. Sorry y’all…. 😖 Hagin/Copeland/Osteen….
      ua-cam.com/play/PLgVMBuMsNtbvBMEuY9WsZqnk9YdVRHDw7.html

    • @charliesmith_
      @charliesmith_ 2 роки тому +2

      @@ReadingthePast yes pleeeeeease

    • @kirstena4001
      @kirstena4001 2 роки тому +1

      @@ReadingthePast i would watch that!!!

  • @adriannegentleman83
    @adriannegentleman83 2 роки тому +1

    I would love a video on the English language Bible, I know there is a lot of interesting history in the creating of the bible in English.

  • @chrissikes4741
    @chrissikes4741 10 місяців тому

    Love you lessons thank you

  • @Hfil66
    @Hfil66 2 роки тому +1

    I had heard of John Wycliffe before, but it was interesting having his life put into some sort of context.
    As seems very much highlighted in your video, Wycliffe seems to merely have been a poster boy for a widespread movement throughout the continent. I would guess that he probably became more of a poster child because of his contacts with the royal court made him more visible than some other more anonymous persons who may have shared his views.
    As for the relationship between Wycliffe and the Wars of the Roses, in my view much of the motivation for the reformation (and very much the reason for Henry VIII breaking with Rome) was the gradual collapse of the old order (based on the authority of Rome) and the rise of nationalism. In that respect, even the Wars of the Roses, although not directly related to the authority of Rome, was an indication of a breakdown of the traditional power structures, and a gradual political vacuum that will later be filled by English nationalism.
    In some ways, I would see the English reformation as an early analogue to Brexit with a religious context added in.

  • @jakual339
    @jakual339 2 роки тому +1

    Hmm, interesting question! The two things that come to mind, as far as why there's tendency to want to view Wycliffe as a sole innovator:
    1. A sometime tendency to want to see England as the core of the reformation. There's sometimes a sense that people are a bit embarrassed, almost, that the reason the reformation took hold in England was... well, because of one dude's ego. Wycliffe counters that narrative, and creates a sense of pride in some.
    2. A general popular inclination towards an "exceptional man" view of history. Every great movement or event should be traceable back to a single, unusual and inspired individual. Wycliffe gets viewed that way because, well, *someone* has to be the unique originator of the reformation in England/overall, and he's a relatively solid candidate?

    • @robertmurphree7210
      @robertmurphree7210 11 місяців тому

      Discontent with the Catholic church, including the split dual avignon-rome papacy, illiiterate priests, secular priests, etc. was rife in 14nth and 15nth century.
      Wycliffe was prominent early, but others in europe were probably around and in the same current of reform but the stony ground was not ready for the seed to grow. The connection with peasants' revolt in england led to a hard reaction in british power circles which made vernacular translations much more a bugaboo for the english. Many princes during the reformation used religion as another excuse to start a war, or seize power -- Henry the VIII was one of many in that respect. With the rise of printing, vernacular translations were not forbidden some places in europe. archbishop Thomas Cranmer was the man in the right place at the right time, submissive to Henry VII, but able to move Henry political power grab in a protestant direction. I don't see wycliffe as originator of english church reform, or the english reformation, as a secular political event with some religious results, as the main driver of the reformation. I say that as an american would values John Winthrop and the 10,000 person massachusetts bay colonies puritans in 1630's as a great event in american history.

  • @robynw6307
    @robynw6307 2 роки тому +1

    I find it very strange, with all the moral requirements of the day, that people still believed that the sacrament literally transformed into the body and blood of Christ, and that it was okay to consume them, even though this would be cannibalism. The more I see of religion, the more agnostic I become.

  • @lindaisenegger163
    @lindaisenegger163 2 роки тому +1

    If I may request a Dr. Kat
    Featured Fractured Discourse...
    King Henry II, Thomas Beckett and the steps of Canterbury!....

  • @domesdaytoamericaproject5268
    @domesdaytoamericaproject5268 2 роки тому +1

    Dr. Kat, I have a discovery to share that I am struggling to dig deeper with and could use some guidance from someone. Sorry for the length of this but I’ll be as brief as possible.
    The Big Dig of London’s Waterfront:1100-1666 research identified a quay on Lower Thames Street in Bishopsgate as belonging to a Lawrence Payn by 1276. The quay and tenements (Tenement 10 known as Paynskey, Childskey, Sabbs, etc. over time) remained in the Payn family into the 17th-c on and off. Lawrence’s descendants have been identified at Southampton with Thomas Payne, MP for Weymouth and his son John who became Mayor of Southampton. John’s records mention the quay in London he gave to his children.
    A neighboring tenement nearby to this quay was owned by Sir John Pulteney of Misterton, Leicestershire, which neighbors Lutterworth. The Paynes and Pulteney intermarried during this period as found in the Visitations with Sir Thomas Payne of Market Bosworth who m. Margaret, da. of Sir Thomas Pulteney of Misterton- I take to be Sir John’s son.
    The Visitations further lists Sir Tom’s grandson, William Payne of Bury St. Edmunds, Bailiff of Hengrave, as was his son, Henry Payne (d. 1568) who was Lord of Nowton, Worlington, &c.
    Henry Payne was the 1st known owner in the provenance of the Ellesmere Chaucer which he left to Sir Giles Alington in his will. He also had been the administrator of the will of Sir Thomas Kytson at Hengrave Hall in 1540.
    The story now gets interesting as the History of Parliament notes that in 1410 the MP Edmund Winter of Barnubgham and his 1st cousin, Robert Payn, a son of the Chief Butler of England, John Payn (d. 1402) of Wymondham and Helhoughton, had purchased an interest in the Manor of Hengrave and appear there in the histories of Suffolk.
    John Payn the Chief Butler was known to have been a life long friend of Geoffrey Chaucer as both were friends of the Duke of Lancaster in their youth. Geoffrey served in the household of the Earl of Ulster while John went with Henry of Derby into exile and on Crusade, returning with him in 1399 when he became Henry IV and appointed John Payn his Chief Butler- while a 1373 record of Ralph Le Botiller had willed the office of Chief Butler of Ireland to John’s father, Nicholas Payn, Lord of Helhoughton.
    Nevertheless, as Butler, John Payn regularly purchased wine from the CHAUCER family as appears in royal itineraries and accounts. Further, as previously mentioned, the Letter Books and Rolls of London and Southampton show that Geoffrey Chaucers father John and grandfather Richard had been involved heavily with the family of Lawrence Payn who owned they quay near the Custom House where Chaucer later worked.
    As I said, Lawrence Payns descendants retained the quay in London until it last appears in the wills of John Payne, Merchant of London, and his son, Thomas Payne, Lord of Fulham, Hammersmith and Petworth, Sussex- who bore the same arms as Sir Thomas Payne and his descendants in Suffolk who owned the Chaucer MS.
    However , while it appears that John the Butlers father Nicholas Payn also bore the arms of Sir Thomas of Market Bosworth, John himself bore a completely different coat known to be associated with “the Paynes of Itteringham” born by Thomas Payne, Lord of Nowers Hall who m. Elizabeth BOLEYN, 1st cousin of Queen Anne.
    John the Butler, the Duke of Lancaster and others of his affinity were supporters of Wycliffe and it appears that the Paynes may have known him through their earlier Pulteney relationship in Leicestershire which they brought with them to Norwich and the household of the Duke.
    John the Butlers relationship with both Duke and the poet Geoffrey allowed my to make the connection to Hampshire and Lawrence Payn, but opened another path of interest too.
    The Duke and Chaucer were both the sons-in-law of another man named PAYN- Payn de Roet of Flanders, were Gaunt had been born and had come with the Queen from Hainaut and appointed Guienne King of Arms by either Edward III or the Duke.
    It seems authorities on Chaucer have determined the Ellesmere was commissioned by the 12th Earl of Oxford who gave it to the Drurys before it came into possession of the Paynes. This is all based on one entry in the Ellesmere that simply names Sir Robert and Sir William Drury. But dozens of names appear in the pages and no evidence has been found otherwise to associate it with either Oxford or Drury… I do not believe they were aware of this history behind behind it.
    I just know I now have to figure out how to research and write their story effectively!
    Patrick Payne
    Domesday to America Project
    Knoxville, Tennessee

  • @screamingalgae9380
    @screamingalgae9380 2 роки тому +1

    Dr. Kat: Wycliffe's contemporary, the chronicler Henry Knighton, wrote, quote--
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  • @SithLadyDarhVamp
    @SithLadyDarhVamp 2 роки тому +3

    I can't take John Wycliffe seriously, as my brother (who is a dyslexic) spent twenty minutes a couple of years ago, reading aloud about "John Wiffie" with me trying desperately to figure out who the hell John Wiffie was. It's an inside joke now.

  • @johnrigler8858
    @johnrigler8858 Рік тому +1

    "The peasants are revolting!" "No, they're not that bad!"

  • @andramobberley4093
    @andramobberley4093 2 роки тому

    Hi Dr Kat - I wondered whether you would consider doing a documentary on the evidence about how Elizabeth the First felt when she signed death warrants, particularly for those people she knew and (sometimes) loved.

  • @katharper655
    @katharper655 2 роки тому +2

    DEAR FELLOW-READERS OF THE PAST WITH DR. KAT.
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    SINCERELY, KAT HARPER-JENNINGS

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you for letting me / us know! I wish I had a clue of how to fix this, but thank you for making the effort to come and look for me 😊

  • @christophergould8715
    @christophergould8715 2 роки тому +2

    I have speculated that the Papal Schism or schismes may have weakened Papal authority and influenced Wycliffe to deny the Pope's authority. Also the reallocation of the Church lands is one of the most radical demands of the Peasants revolt. Also was Wycliffe influenced by the Franciscanos or not. They could certainly be critical of the wealth of the Church. Did Wycliffe owe his protection to nobles who coveted the Churches wealth?

  • @robin-chat2812
    @robin-chat2812 2 роки тому

    off subject but that color looks so good on you

  • @kultus
    @kultus 2 роки тому +1

    Love your 'accent' and definitely feel welcomed! You're so good at this, if you haven't already, I'd love your take on King James' sexuality. Cheers!

  • @elainebezuidenhout162
    @elainebezuidenhout162 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for another great video. Could you make a video of the origins and who and when the Catholic church started. If I google it it says Jesus started the church and there is no date.

  • @cent178
    @cent178 2 роки тому +2

    As an American who grew up Catholic, I thought the Reformation started w Luther

    • @mrnerd5675
      @mrnerd5675 Рік тому +1

      Nope, I would say it started with Jan Huss about 100 years earlier

    • @robertmurphree7210
      @robertmurphree7210 11 місяців тому

      John Wycliffe writings influence John Hus who in turn influenced the 16nth century reformation.

  • @alexhoover2270
    @alexhoover2270 2 роки тому +1

    hello Dr kat happy Friday thanks for this I need something to keep my mind busy because it wonders and plus I am suffering with sinuses that darn polluin has me with a headache and sore throat it's no wonder I am so tired this week I can tell you now I had the corn virus and was down for two weeks man I wish I knew about this channel then body aches sore throat stuffy head running nose all cold good thing I am all better now I usually help my grandma platfoot move things around flower pots bird bath and so on I even put her brick patio wall back up lol I had no idea what I was doing the hardest I ever worked was on mothers day I had to help take down a block flower bed I was sore for 5 days after that no worries Dr kat I am being careful now that it's hot out side I have been not staying out very long and drinking water or lemon aid my puppy Stella turns 7 months old tomorrow and I am not ready for that yet hope you are having a weekend I can't wait to see what next week's video is on see you next week with lots of love from a very hot ohio

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +2

      The pollen feels supercharged this year! I’m coughing like I’ve got fur balls 😬 hope we both get some relief 🤞

    • @alexhoover2270
      @alexhoover2270 2 роки тому +1

      @@ReadingthePast I am hoping so too I would like to be able to play with my puppy outside without a itchy throat or watery eyes it's one thing to have sinuses but it's another to be hot and sweaty all day I will be in the heat Sunday I will be careful because heat stoke is no joke I had it once it was so scary but I got through it by getting in the ac with cold wash rags plus drinking alot of water at least I will have my swim suit Sunday so I can go swimming at my nephew kaydins grand party it's going to be lots of fun I am sure of that

    • @alexhoover2270
      @alexhoover2270 2 роки тому +1

      Not good Dr kat hopefully we both can get over the coughing fits I have those days when I feel like I have hair balls in my throat too not fun I just have some tea to calm my sore throat I usually go for green tea

  • @iluvmusicals21
    @iluvmusicals21 2 роки тому

    Purple is your color!

  • @catherinejohnson1354
    @catherinejohnson1354 2 роки тому +1

    As a catholic I have never understood the requirement of fearing God. God made man, man made religion, women will inherit the earth, lol.

  • @charliesmith_
    @charliesmith_ 2 роки тому +1

    1360, who was Pope?

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +1

      It was Innocent VI.

    • @charliesmith_
      @charliesmith_ 2 роки тому

      @@ReadingthePast thank you x
      A French man.
      Post 1066, France's Popes and particularly Avignon Popes hung on for a long time! Nepotism?

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +2

      The relatively small number of names they choose to go by just adds to the confusion … just how many Pope Benedicts do there need to be 🤣

    • @ReadingthePast
      @ReadingthePast  2 роки тому +6

      There’s definitely a video idea in looking at where the illegitimate children of the clergy end up… although tracing them all may be tough!

    • @charliesmith_
      @charliesmith_ 2 роки тому +2

      @@ReadingthePast
      *Thank you for your kind reply.*
      Odo, William the conqueror's wee brother, Bishop of Bayeux had a son - John of Bayeux, who became chaplain (to his cousin) King Henry I.
      Pope Clement VII had a hard run in his time. 🙄
      *Think there's a whole Series of tales to tell with each reigning king (pre Reformation) in parallel with each Pope of their time.*
      That would be fascinating.
      Would you ever consider that as a series? Might be a lot of work admittedly.... but there were no govt politics of the day to look at. Just the powerplay between the Kings and the Roman Church?
      Is that concept of content an ask too far? Tell me if it is x 👍💫
      No pressure x

  • @iluvmusicals21
    @iluvmusicals21 2 роки тому

    Wycliffe Bible Translators goal is to translate the Bible into every language.

  • @Heothbremel
    @Heothbremel 2 роки тому

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  • @johnguglielmini6658
    @johnguglielmini6658 2 роки тому +1

    1st