Our old CB Classic sprung a leak after 20 years last Nov., & we ended up replacing it with the new Classic Edge 760 in December. All told, installed, we invested 19K in the unit. (With inflation & technological improvements factored in, this is quite comparable to the Classic we spent 13k on in 2004.) So far - after heating with the 760 for 5 months - we were very impressed and very satisfied with the efficiency, reliability, & technology of the new furnace. We burned at least 1/3 less wood than with the old Classic; (though we had a really mild Winter) & found the difference in the amount of ash to be just amazing! Rather shoveling out barrels of unused coals and ash (waste) each week -- and then having to dispose of that -- we end up with just a small amount of 'fly ash' to deal with, after two weeks! The cool thing is, we can re-cycle hot coals from the Combustion Chamber back into the Fire Box; (about once a day) which dramatically increases the furnace's heating efficiency! It is also very cool to have the ability to monitor the unit's operation from my easy chair via the wifi connection. Overall I am very happy with the new Classic Edge 760; & do not at all regret investing what we paid for the unit. (The tax break was a big incentive, too!)
I would personally use glycol (Antifreeze) on the waterside. I worked for over 30 years in stainless and nickel alloy tubing doing metallurgy and failure investigations. Stainless and even nickel alloys are susceptible to MIC, or Microbial-Induced Corrosion. PARTICULARLY if you use well water and let everything go stagnant (like summer). 'Titanium Stainless' is alloy 321 or common 304 with 1% more Nickel and a small Titanium addition.
@@Homesteadhow I don't really know because I was only heating my shop with the old one and now i'm heating my house to but i do think it burns less I don't think it would be enough for you to go spend 15k on one when yours work i would wait until it starts leaking. I got my 5648 for free because it leak I welded it back up and got a couple years out of it enough to know i want to keep heating with would so i spent the money for a new one
As a fellow Classic 6048 owner Ive debated upgrading to this when mine fails but one thing still has held me back. I have 18 acres and about 50 more surrounding my land and its 50/50 pine and hardwood forest and I also have a direct connection to a sawmill so I get truck loads of pine sawmill cut offs for free. I dont know if id want the gasification because over 50% of my wood I burn each year is pine and I feel that these new gasification units are great on efficiency being 1/3 less as stated but dont particularly like the pine. Another thing is I barely run my wood splitter having the ability to run the classic I dont need to burn split wood I can throw whole rounds in as you know so I would have to upgrade my splitter since these units need split wood... so Im split decision if I wanted a classic edge or another classic...
you can burn pine in the new ones you just have to adjust the settings a little my old 5648 leaked and I got a 760 to replace it I have tons of pine already split for my old boil so I decide to burn it in the new one it does fine it took a couple weeks to fine tone it and everything but it runs great now but you do have to split the wood down you can't just throw big chunks in that does take time
Great point- that is my biggest hesitation too- I burn a bunch of pine AND I try so hard to only burn properly seasoned wood- but I fall behind often so being able to put in some partially seasoned wood in a pinch is a nice benefit of the 6048. Yesterday I put in a huge 4 foot round and its still burning away today!
@@Homesteadhow you can burn green wood, you just have to split it smaller. 6”-8” like your dealer said for properly seasoned wood. A lot of guys around here say playing card size for green wood runs fine in them. Make the switch man. I did this year, you won’t regret it
Instead of warm air solution for the heating up the house wouldnt you think its more effective and silent with a radiator system around the house connected to woodboiler watertank instead ?
Well water has a small sulfur content (H2S, normally-rotten egg smell). This provides the food source for Sulfur-reducing bacteria (SRB). Their waste product is sulfuric acid, which can and will cause pits and leaks in stainless. 'New' systems are particularly vulnerable. This can happen as fast as 2 days (stagnant), believe it or not!
Also, water needs to be low chloride ppm < 10. Looks like Central Boiler is aware they require the use of a water additive (anti-microbial) for warranty....
Did the dealer recommend what size would be equivalent to your 6048 if/when you want to make the switch? I'm just curious because have a 6048 as well and have been considering upgrading in the next few years
Hi i am from France and i had Never Heard of this before as well... it doesn't existe over here. I wish we had dealers in Europe because it seems a really interesting product
Just watched your channel, great content on the central boiler, if I would have to upgrade I would have to see if there is a dealer in mid Missouri, I did put the hardy stove that I have now in myself.
So silly question..so if u have one and it heats the water in ur water tank hiw wld u have hot water in the warmer mths if u r not using the wood? I am looking into these as right now I am using natural gas for heat and I am wanting to get rid of natural gas
Does using antifreeze change the manufacturer's warranty? Seems to me that people would need to leave their homes once in a while during winter without the hassle of draining and refilling the system.
My Empyre 450 is a Model T compared to these new ones.... But I do appreciate that I can burn my 4ft logs in mine. I hate the extra cutting and handling of small wood.
Hey I’m new to the channel. I’ve been using a 60 48 classic boiler for many years. All of a sudden it’s leaking water from underneath. So I’m considering buying one of the ones you had in this video. Was curious if the entire unit is stainless or just the firebox. Thanks for sharing your videos.
@@ScottyLo no problem. I will say I ran an old mild steel woodmaster 4400 with no issues. Just made sure the proper levels of anti corrosion were in it all the time. That being said, it didn’t scare me away from the classic edge. I called the heatmaster dealer and the central boiler dealer in my area. The central boiler dealer answered the phone and gave me all the info about the unit. The heatmaster dealer never answered the phone or returned my message. So I bought the unit with the better dealer support
I run the radiant baseboards in my house with a classic edge 560. It works fantastic. The heat exchanger is different than the radiator style that goes in the plenum of a forced air system. You want a plate exchanger. It’s the same style you would use for hooking up to your water heater, just more plates. I run a 20 plate for my water heater and a 60 plate for my boiler heat. Tie into your return line of your propane boiler so the water is heated before going into your to the propane boiler. I think the channel is Alternative heating and supply. Jeff luff is the fellas name. He has a good video on how it is accomplished.
To give an honest review, don't become a salesman's friend, thoroughly question them about their claims instead. Enthusiastically patting them on the back and "wowing" their claims is not a review. At $10,000 a shot, we want to see the tires soundly kicked, not have you wash and wax it for the salesman. Meaningful questions would have been nice. One meaningful question that you could have asked, for instance, is just how many kwh's this boiler consumes in a day. The boiler looks first class, but viewers deserve a real critique. Saleman, you know, really don't require any assistance pumping their products. BTW, did they give you any of that popcorn i see in the background? 🍿🍿🍿
Well this wasn't a review, I don't own this product. I have very critically reviewed my cl6048 on other videos and said its really not for everyone. Thx
In the 1960's people wanted to get away from shoveling COAL into the furnace and get something more modern. SO the OIL furnaces became popular where there was no Natural Gas. Then the ENERGY CRISES of the 1970's . Yikes There are so many options for you young folks today. My old Burnham Oil Fired built in the late 1980's and I can still fix it if/when needed. Those Outdoor ones look great but its TWO times a day when it's MINUS 2F outside so have the overalls ready by the door.
![How Much Did Our Outdoor Wood Burner Cost? Total Cost for ALL Parts & Labor [Central Boiler]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/B06xBDdsEY4/mqdefault.jpg)
Good questions with good answers. Thanks for the accurate information.
Our old CB Classic sprung a leak after 20 years last Nov., & we ended up replacing it with the new Classic Edge 760 in December. All told, installed, we invested 19K in the unit. (With inflation & technological improvements factored in, this is quite comparable to the Classic we spent 13k on in 2004.) So far - after heating with the 760 for 5 months - we were very impressed and very satisfied with the efficiency, reliability, & technology of the new furnace. We burned at least 1/3 less wood than with the old Classic; (though we had a really mild Winter) & found the difference in the amount of ash to be just amazing! Rather shoveling out barrels of unused coals and ash (waste) each week -- and then having to dispose of that -- we end up with just a small amount of 'fly ash' to deal with, after two weeks! The cool thing is, we can re-cycle hot coals from the Combustion Chamber back into the Fire Box; (about once a day) which dramatically increases the furnace's heating efficiency! It is also very cool to have the ability to monitor the unit's operation from my easy chair via the wifi connection. Overall I am very happy with the new Classic Edge 760; & do not at all regret investing what we paid for the unit. (The tax break was a big incentive, too!)
I would personally use glycol (Antifreeze) on the waterside. I worked for over 30 years in stainless and nickel alloy tubing doing metallurgy and failure investigations. Stainless and even nickel alloys are susceptible to MIC, or Microbial-Induced Corrosion. PARTICULARLY if you use well water and let everything go stagnant (like summer).
'Titanium Stainless' is alloy 321 or common 304 with 1% more Nickel and a small Titanium addition.
Great video I'm in Australia not many people have outdoor boilers I had one for my pool but it was very old
so cool how you closed it in the end with the Pictures 🙋🏻♀️
I am in 🇬🇧 and this is the first time I have heard of this.
I replaced my 5648 that started leaking with the 760hdx this year I have been running it for a month now and i love it.
Nice, using less wood?
@@Homesteadhow I don't really know because I was only heating my shop with the old one and now i'm heating my house to but i do think it burns less I don't think it would be enough for you to go spend 15k on one when yours work i would wait until it starts leaking. I got my 5648 for free because it leak I welded it back up and got a couple years out of it enough to know i want to keep heating with would so i spent the money for a new one
Always good seeing you in these videos cuz!💯👍🥰😘😍❤️😇
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As a fellow Classic 6048 owner Ive debated upgrading to this when mine fails but one thing still has held me back. I have 18 acres and about 50 more surrounding my land and its 50/50 pine and hardwood forest and I also have a direct connection to a sawmill so I get truck loads of pine sawmill cut offs for free. I dont know if id want the gasification because over 50% of my wood I burn each year is pine and I feel that these new gasification units are great on efficiency being 1/3 less as stated but dont particularly like the pine. Another thing is I barely run my wood splitter having the ability to run the classic I dont need to burn split wood I can throw whole rounds in as you know so I would have to upgrade my splitter since these units need split wood... so Im split decision if I wanted a classic edge or another classic...
you can burn pine in the new ones you just have to adjust the settings a little my old 5648 leaked and I got a 760 to replace it I have tons of pine already split for my old boil so I decide to burn it in the new one it does fine it took a couple weeks to fine tone it and everything but it runs great now but you do have to split the wood down you can't just throw big chunks in that does take time
Great point- that is my biggest hesitation too- I burn a bunch of pine AND I try so hard to only burn properly seasoned wood- but I fall behind often so being able to put in some partially seasoned wood in a pinch is a nice benefit of the 6048. Yesterday I put in a huge 4 foot round and its still burning away today!
@@Homesteadhow you can burn green wood, you just have to split it smaller. 6”-8” like your dealer said for properly seasoned wood. A lot of guys around here say playing card size for green wood runs fine in them. Make the switch man. I did this year, you won’t regret it
@@hudsonvaganis7855 how exactly do you fine tune it ???
@@robertnicholas9468 figuring out to move coals away from secondary air tub and when to load it and adjusted a couple settings
Instead of warm air solution for the heating up the house wouldnt you think its more effective and silent with a radiator system around the house connected to woodboiler watertank instead ?
Your videos are so interesting to me. Thank you for sharing 😊
Thanks! Please share!
Well water has a small sulfur content (H2S, normally-rotten egg smell). This provides the food source for Sulfur-reducing bacteria (SRB). Their waste product is sulfuric acid, which can and will cause pits and leaks in stainless. 'New' systems are particularly vulnerable. This can happen as fast as 2 days (stagnant), believe it or not!
Also, water needs to be low chloride ppm < 10. Looks like Central Boiler is aware they require the use of a water additive (anti-microbial) for warranty....
How much is the unit by itself, no install? Thanks for the video. Knowledge is power
Did the dealer recommend what size would be equivalent to your 6048 if/when you want to make the switch? I'm just curious because have a 6048 as well and have been considering upgrading in the next few years
Hi i am from France and i had Never Heard of this before as well... it doesn't existe over here.
I wish we had dealers in Europe because it seems a really interesting product
Just watched your channel, great content on the central boiler, if I would have to upgrade I would have to see if there is a dealer in mid Missouri, I did put the hardy stove that I have now in myself.
So silly question..so if u have one and it heats the water in ur water tank hiw wld u have hot water in the warmer mths if u r not using the wood? I am looking into these as right now I am using natural gas for heat and I am wanting to get rid of natural gas
Thx, we have an electric water heater, when not burning wood we use electricity but try to limit it
Can u use pine in wood burner boiler?
Does using antifreeze change the manufacturer's warranty? Seems to me that people would need to leave their homes once in a while during winter without the hassle of draining and refilling the system.
My Empyre 450 is a Model T compared to these new ones.... But I do appreciate that I can burn my 4ft logs in mine. I hate the extra cutting and handling of small wood.
Hey I’m new to the channel. I’ve been using a 60 48 classic boiler for many years. All of a sudden it’s leaking water from underneath. So I’m considering buying one of the ones you had in this video. Was curious if the entire unit is stainless or just the firebox. Thanks for sharing your videos.
I think it's just the firebox, but I'm not sure.sorry
@@Homesteadhow thanks for getting back to me. I have a feeling your right. I really wish everything was stainless steel.
@@ScottyLo my understanding is the firebox is stainless and the water jacket is mild steel. I believe the Heatmaster g series is 100% stainless though
@@jorrick66 thanks for the information. Much appreciated
@@ScottyLo no problem. I will say I ran an old mild steel woodmaster 4400 with no issues. Just made sure the proper levels of anti corrosion were in it all the time. That being said, it didn’t scare me away from the classic edge. I called the heatmaster dealer and the central boiler dealer in my area. The central boiler dealer answered the phone and gave me all the info about the unit. The heatmaster dealer never answered the phone or returned my message. So I bought the unit with the better dealer support
Can u Use it to heat up water to use for all the steam radiators
I run the radiant baseboards in my house with a classic edge 560. It works fantastic. The heat exchanger is different than the radiator style that goes in the plenum of a forced air system. You want a plate exchanger. It’s the same style you would use for hooking up to your water heater, just more plates. I run a 20 plate for my water heater and a 60 plate for my boiler heat. Tie into your return line of your propane boiler so the water is heated before going into your to the propane boiler. I think the channel is Alternative heating and supply. Jeff luff is the fellas name. He has a good video on how it is accomplished.
CAN YOU BURN PINE?
can you burn any kind of wood?
To give an honest review, don't become a salesman's friend, thoroughly question them about their claims instead. Enthusiastically patting them on the back and "wowing" their claims is not a review. At $10,000 a shot, we want to see the tires soundly kicked, not have you wash and wax it for the salesman. Meaningful questions would have been nice. One meaningful question that you could have asked, for instance, is just how many kwh's this boiler consumes in a day. The boiler looks first class, but viewers deserve a real critique. Saleman, you know, really don't require any assistance pumping their products.
BTW, did they give you any of that popcorn i see in the background? 🍿🍿🍿
Well this wasn't a review, I don't own this product. I have very critically reviewed my cl6048 on other videos and said its really not for everyone. Thx
Good video .the audio was a little hard to hear .
In the 1960's people wanted to get away from shoveling COAL into the furnace and get something more modern. SO the OIL furnaces became popular where there was no Natural Gas. Then the ENERGY CRISES of the 1970's . Yikes There are so many options for you young folks today. My old Burnham Oil Fired built in the late 1980's and I can still fix it if/when needed. Those Outdoor ones look great but its TWO times a day when it's MINUS 2F outside so have the overalls ready by the door.
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More stuff to go bad to many parts
I like not having wood fire in the house .
Crappy audio next to a highway