As always, solid and dependable advice from a true professional and master at his craft. I've done 3 SIVs with Toby and his team and learned many a valuable lesson. Never rushed. No machismo. Always fun.
another masterpiece... thanks for the excellent content... i like this idea of mixing control wing with collapse management... the most important thing is to develop skill and demistify collapses surges etc.
As always a real pleasure to watch ...... pragmatic and helpful...think I have done 4 or 5 SIV courses the Toby and Mike and gang...cant recommend enough - hoping the autumn season is on...keep well all..xxx
Hi Tony. I'm still a hangie through and through, but really enjoy your videos. It's always interesting to try to understand a bit of what is going on for you guys.
One or two outfits do a two day course, but really best to take a week off tp really see an improvement. You can find our prices here: www.passionparagliding.com/booking
Are the people who are more likely to go in the water Americans? That wouldn't surprise me at all, we're a weird, reckless bunch that can be surprisingly bad at following life-saving directions. I can't wait to get my P2 and then come out for an SIV course with you all!
Hi Yiftach. What a good question. The very short answer: 1. Skills (a mastery of wing control below the level you teach, for example I am also an acro pilot but only teach basic acro) 2. A very good eyesight with ability to understand the risks involved in every manoeuvre (bearing in mind the individual pilot and the wing) 3. An ability to clearly and concisely impart key information at exactly the right time. 4. Fast reactions 5. Soft skills - often over-looked but in my opinion they are essential and can double the value of a course: the ability to read the fear vs confidence (under and over) of each individual pilot and coach accordingly. (Could write a book on that point alone) 6. Good awareness of all safety issues (main one as banal as it sounds is keeping pilot in the box) Please feel free to email Passion Paragliding to discuss further. All the best
Nice video, thanks Toby and Team! Question I'd still like to get your view on is: what is the effect of doing an SIV course on a light wing, is there a chance you deform it or stretch the lines out of trim?
Hi Sebastian. It's a good question. There is a chance of damaging your wing during an SIV Course. It's very rare (a lot less rare than you damaging your wing on launch!!). When it comes to light weight wings I wouldn't worry about putting your wing out of trim unless you're planning to get into infinity tumbles or something (in which case you'll need a different wing anyway). There is a small chance of cloth tear: lines burning the cloth on a snap re-inflation, though once again you're more likely to get a tear on launch than during SIV, so whilst this is a full answer, in summary I would worry more about NOT doing a course (and the negative impact on safety), than the very minimal chance of wing damage. *The way to really really look after your wing is to NOT FLY IT*
Hi 👋 I’m from Canada & would like to know the cost of your SIV class ! Thx you very much, keep doing videos ! They are great & inspiring. 👌🪂 An other question: I’m a paramotor pilot but I currently flying a full reflex wing : Paramania Revo 3 . Is it possible to lunch from the mountain with it & practice SIV ? Thx !
Hi you mentioned wing control, I’m an older pilot and unlikely to move above ENA or low B so would a wing control course be available that you know of, or could that be on one of your SIV courses but concentrate on wing control? Thanks. PS I’ll be joining you in Morocco 2021
Hi Duncan. Looking forward to seeing you in Morocco (good chance that it's going ahead - fingers crossed) Most pilots on our SIV courses are EN-B pilots. Check out our documentary here to get an idea: ua-cam.com/video/eMripq8SkOE/v-deo.html Whether you focus more on the "wing control" or the "situations" is up to you. In reality, there's a lot of overlap.
Aside from salt, after getting wet, do you check trim (uneven line shrinkage) after washing and drying the wing. Or, is that better done after a few additional flights?
Great Question! A few years ago we made a thorough assessment. We gave a wing that went in the water a full test (all measurements including line length, tissue porosity etc etc). We found the wing to be in perfect condition. I guess if you put your wing in the water on a regular basis it might wear out quicker (and the line sheathing could shrink unevenly etc) but dragging it on rough launches would do the same. Also, it's important to dry the wing out slowly - ie not in direct sunlight. Heat and UV mixed with water is a bad combination. With those caveats, I wouldn't be worried about dunking a wing in the water and certainly a lot less worried than NOT doing an SIV: *A pristine wing with a pilot that can't fly is a much more dangerous wing than one that got wet.*
@@passionparagliding3994 Thank you so much for the prompt reply. Nice to see empirical evidence to counter the 'conventional wisdom' that said that getting the wing wet shrinks your lines and then flying stretches them back out, but unevenly (front to back). To be honest, it was that reason that I had been planning to wait until my wing was due for a trim check, before taking an SIV.
@@CineSoar It depends on the quality of the lines. I went twice in water during SIV ( one on purpose to try my reserve), and more than 150h of flying, the trim was out by less than 2 cm. The shrinkage was mostly even. The wing of my friend was out of trim and very difficult to inflate after just one time in the water.
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You have fantastic way to explain without confusing students
Well done 👍🏽
Thank you Sarju
As always, solid and dependable advice from a true professional and master at his craft. I've done 3 SIVs with Toby and his team and learned many a valuable lesson. Never rushed. No machismo. Always fun.
Thanks Darcy!!
As a veteran skydiver with serious plans to go paragliding here in Portugal, this course would be on my list when the time is there. Thank you
Great stuff Toby & Kieran. Ideal for those of us flying vicariously at the moment.
Thanks Martin.
another masterpiece... thanks for the excellent content... i like this idea of mixing control wing with collapse management... the most important thing is to develop skill and demistify collapses surges etc.
Hi Toby, I just started paragliding from Turkey, I found your channel very instructive. I would like to meet you when you come here
Top content, thanks for posting! Hope to do my next siv with you.
Thanks Skippie. Hope to see you in 2021
very useful and something to think about. I think it is a must for all pilots
We think so too! ;) Thanks for your comment
As always a real pleasure to watch ...... pragmatic and helpful...think I have done 4 or 5 SIV courses the Toby and Mike and gang...cant recommend enough - hoping the autumn season is on...keep well all..xxx
Thanks Bill! There's a small chance we run an autumn session if things open up by then. Fingers crossed
Hi Tony. I'm still a hangie through and through, but really enjoy your videos. It's always interesting to try to understand a bit of what is going on for you guys.
Thanks John. We try to understand you guys too!
Very inspiring! Your confidence is contagious! I’ll be there when I’m ready. Thanks, Toby!
Thanks Flyshacker! Not sure anyone ever feels "ready", but hope we can help you out when the time comes
Another great video, Toby! Thanks for all the time and thought you guys put into helping us pilots be safer whenever we're connected to our wing.
CJ!!! Good to hear from you. Hope you and George hanging in there! xxxx
excellent - I'm in!!
Fantastic video! I can not wait until next April to do my first course with you. Cheers!
Yes!! Next April. We're also looking forward to it!
Great video. I cant wait to meet you and do my SIV next week!
Excellent !!!
Many thanks!
Great Toby, I really enjoyed this vid.
Thanks Gabriel!
Excellent - and great multi-tasking Kieran :D
He's a man of many talents!
Outstanding, thank you.
Thank you Rob
Great video, thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Great video and insight
Much appreciated
Excellent briefing !
Yes very good, I can doing not crazzy. Not fast you can be fly because no very dangeruse
Great video Toby.
Thanks Mark!
Great video very informative 👏
Thanks Nick
Excellent channel
Great video!
I cannot stop wondering - pilots of which parts of the world like to end up in the water?
The only thing that I wanted to know is what is the cost and how long do I need to take off work
One or two outfits do a two day course, but really best to take a week off tp really see an improvement. You can find our prices here: www.passionparagliding.com/booking
I hope to see you in Ölüdeniz Turkiye
Hope so Sinan! I think 2021 is going better year.
Are the people who are more likely to go in the water Americans? That wouldn't surprise me at all, we're a weird, reckless bunch that can be surprisingly bad at following life-saving directions. I can't wait to get my P2 and then come out for an SIV course with you all!
Ha ha. No not all. There are plenty of crazier cultural "groups" in my experience
@@passionparagliding3994don't leave us hanging, what's the group??
Wonderful video. Thanks.
A question:
from an instructor perspective, what does it take TO INSTRUCT an SIV course?
Thanks.
Hi Yiftach. What a good question. The very short answer:
1. Skills (a mastery of wing control below the level you teach, for example I am also an acro pilot but only teach basic acro)
2. A very good eyesight with ability to understand the risks involved in every manoeuvre (bearing in mind the individual pilot and the wing)
3. An ability to clearly and concisely impart key information at exactly the right time.
4. Fast reactions
5. Soft skills - often over-looked but in my opinion they are essential and can double the value of a course: the ability to read the fear vs confidence (under and over) of each individual pilot and coach accordingly. (Could write a book on that point alone)
6. Good awareness of all safety issues (main one as banal as it sounds is keeping pilot in the box)
Please feel free to email Passion Paragliding to discuss further.
All the best
Nice video, thanks Toby and Team! Question I'd still like to get your view on is: what is the effect of doing an SIV course on a light wing, is there a chance you deform it or stretch the lines out of trim?
Hi Sebastian. It's a good question. There is a chance of damaging your wing during an SIV Course. It's very rare (a lot less rare than you damaging your wing on launch!!). When it comes to light weight wings I wouldn't worry about putting your wing out of trim unless you're planning to get into infinity tumbles or something (in which case you'll need a different wing anyway). There is a small chance of cloth tear: lines burning the cloth on a snap re-inflation, though once again you're more likely to get a tear on launch than during SIV, so whilst this is a full answer, in summary I would worry more about NOT doing a course (and the negative impact on safety), than the very minimal chance of wing damage.
*The way to really really look after your wing is to NOT FLY IT*
@@passionparagliding3994 makes sense Toby, thanks for the answer!
@@passionparagliding3994 unfortunately I've been doing too much of that kind of looking after my wing!
@@sebastianmarshall1193 I suspect we all have lately!
Hi 👋 I’m from Canada & would like to know the cost of your SIV class ! Thx you very much, keep doing videos ! They are great & inspiring. 👌🪂 An other question: I’m a paramotor pilot but I currently flying a full reflex wing : Paramania Revo 3 . Is it possible to lunch from the mountain with it & practice SIV ? Thx !
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Hi you mentioned wing control, I’m an older pilot and unlikely to move above ENA or low B so would a wing control course be available that you know of, or could that be on one of your SIV courses but concentrate on wing control? Thanks. PS I’ll be joining you in Morocco 2021
I answered my own question by reading your website, put it down to mild dementia;-)
Hi Duncan. Looking forward to seeing you in Morocco (good chance that it's going ahead - fingers crossed)
Most pilots on our SIV courses are EN-B pilots. Check out our documentary here to get an idea: ua-cam.com/video/eMripq8SkOE/v-deo.html
Whether you focus more on the "wing control" or the "situations" is up to you. In reality, there's a lot of overlap.
Aside from salt, after getting wet, do you check trim (uneven line shrinkage) after washing and drying the wing. Or, is that better done after a few additional flights?
Great Question! A few years ago we made a thorough assessment. We gave a wing that went in the water a full test (all measurements including line length, tissue porosity etc etc). We found the wing to be in perfect condition.
I guess if you put your wing in the water on a regular basis it might wear out quicker (and the line sheathing could shrink unevenly etc) but dragging it on rough launches would do the same.
Also, it's important to dry the wing out slowly - ie not in direct sunlight. Heat and UV mixed with water is a bad combination.
With those caveats, I wouldn't be worried about dunking a wing in the water and certainly a lot less worried than NOT doing an SIV: *A pristine wing with a pilot that can't fly is a much more dangerous wing than one that got wet.*
@@passionparagliding3994 Thank you so much for the prompt reply. Nice to see empirical evidence to counter the 'conventional wisdom' that said that getting the wing wet shrinks your lines and then flying stretches them back out, but unevenly (front to back). To be honest, it was that reason that I had been planning to wait until my wing was due for a trim check, before taking an SIV.
@@CineSoar It depends on the quality of the lines.
I went twice in water during SIV ( one on purpose to try my reserve), and more than 150h of flying, the trim was out by less than 2 cm. The shrinkage was mostly even.
The wing of my friend was out of trim and very difficult to inflate after just one time in the water.
Can a biginner who completed his first 5 flights to take this SIV course ?
How much does it cost to do a course with the accommodation included ?
You can find details of our courses including prices here: www.passionparagliding.com/siv