Hebi Sasuke vs Every Akatsuki Member
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Hebi Sasuke is strong but how would he do vs every Akatsuki member? We saw Sasuke vs Deidara and Sasuke vs Itachi, and Sasuke vs Orochimaru. In this video we will analyze all versus battles including the Akatsuki member and determine how many Sasuke could beat. This Sasuke will have the Sharingan, Chidori and its variants, Fire Style, Kirin, and Orochimaru's abilities that he absorbed after defeating him.
Hebi Sasuke is one the cooles characters in Naruto Shippuden with a different arsenal, and very certainly a character that could rival the power of an Akatsuki member.
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Could Hebi Sasuke beat Sage Mode Naruto?
no@theknightmare2796
nah
I think canonicaly kishimoto said they were supposed to equalize as story goes but I think when he get the mangenkyou is when he reach the pain level
Nope
Only Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke
If only Karin was serious they would win
So is Suigetsu
Quick FYI I mean these two against the Akatsuki
Kisame would beat this sasuke no doubt, this is pure uchiha/sasuke bias right here. Kisame has an attack that absorbs chakra that wasn’t even mentioned.
Indeed, the giant shark would absord kirin
I definitely agree Kisame would win against Sasuke, but I don't think the shark can absorb Kirin because the attack is actual lightning, not chakra-based lightning. Not that it matters cause he could probably tank it anyway as was mentioned in the video. @@belobetay
Tbh sasuke isn’t even getting Kirin off..
In the fight against Itachi both of them were using lots of Fire-style jutsu and setting up the environment/clouds for it
Kisame should be letting off so much Water-style the atmosphere isn’t gonna be in the set conditions.
agree to disagree, my friend.
nah, Kisame's shark can't absorb Kirin, but he's tough enough to tank it. @@habitsforrabbits3289
Nah kisame definitely beats sasuke just by looking at their respective battles against killer bee you can clearly see that. And I know he was nerfed because of orochimaru but I doubt it’s that big of a nerf
That and saskae was out of Chakra but some how uses one of the most Chakra consuming summons
And then sharangon on top of it to control the summons
Kisame did so well against Killerbee because Killerbee as enormous chakra, which made Kisame proportionnaly stronger. He wouldn't do so well against someone who doesn't have a specifically big chakra pool. That being said, I still believe Kisame wins tho.
@@rialyandriamiseza9814 Sasuke is an uchiha they have very large amounts of chakra.
@@benjaminwingert434Sasuke was never out of chakra
This is a "Batman with prep time" argument. Sasuke with an upgrade and his squad helping got washed by Killer B who wasn't trying that hard. Most of the Akatsuki would do him dirty also.
Sasuke was still weakened from Itachi, lost the Curse Mark & held back to catch him alive (chapter 415 page 12). He could have one-shotted Bee any moment with Amaterasu. He didn't use Mangekyo at first. The moment he did Bee dropped to the ground paralyzed. He beats most of the Akatsuki (Zetsu, Sasori, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu, Konan) with low to medium difficulty. Kisame said Deidara was one of the stronger members (chapter 363 page 7). Both Deidara and Tobi admitted Sasuke was too fast (chapter 357 pages 10 & 15). If pursued he could have killed Deidara on the first speed blitz.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto I doubt hebi sasuke could beat killer bee especially if killer bee went serious
@@skkhammuansangngaihte4989 That wasn't my point. With the Bee remarks I was just correcting his misconception about Taka Sasuke.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto still amateratsu is kinda fodder if bee had done same thing naruto had done in final valley team taka would be dumb founded
@@skkhammuansangngaihte4989 Fortunately for him, Naruto had foreknowledge. Theoretically Raikage could have done the same, but chopped his arm off instead. Despite already knowing about it given his reaction (powering up as soon as he saw Mangekyo then timing his movements with Amaterasu's activation). Bee clearly didn't considering he thought water would douse the flames.
Kisame was ready to take care of sasuke and his friends right before the itachi fight 😂
Yea he could destroy the whole squad if he'd wished
Listen I like Sasuke just as much as the next guy but my man you've got to stop with these mental gymnastics for Sasuke.
Dygo is a Sasuke fanboy. This video was inevitable.
@@azureascendant994dygo said in one video that sasuke is his second favourite character. But he didn't tell which one was his most favourite one
Facts
New to the channel, and dude is glazing Sasuke *hard* lol.
@@Angeljin-Fq5yx I'm pretty sure it's Madara
Your tweaking if you think hebi Sasuke stands a chance against kisame
your shark daddy gets negged
@@IIIISaiuchiha boy spends the series getting clapped
Kisame stomps
@@joshr9812 Kisame loses to fishhooks, negged
What's hebi mean?
@@aceq361 hebi means snake in Japanese
Killer B was getting destroyed until Samehada switched sides, and even then it was close. Kishimoto had to asspull the "Killer B's chakra is just very tasty" card for this fight to even make sense. There's no way Sasuke stands a chance, it's ludicrous to even discuss this.
the way i understood it,Kisame had already switched with a Zetsu clone at that point and that was why Samehada chose Killer B over him,because Killer B's chakra was way more potent than that of a Zetsu clone
Kisame's mission was to infiltrate as a spy and gather info,he would have annihilated Killer B otherwise
This guy loves the jerk off Hebi Sasuke for whatever reason. The literal pinned comment is "can Hebi Sasuke beat Sage Naruto?" like what? 💀💀💀. If you watch the bloody show you can see Sage Naruto pummeling the pains while Sasuke fought Deidara to a standstill.
This sounds naive to me, Kishimoto could have written the situation to give Killer Bee the advantage 9:33 , the abilities that Kisame was using there and how fast he stole his coat were completely new, no need to "asspull Samehada switching sides".
Samehada switching sides enabled all of the subplot of Kisame in the turtle island using a clever infiltration trick. The first time feels pretty cheap but it's reasonably well-done and it makes sense that Kisame planned for that.
What do you expect this guy is a uchiha fanboy
Jfc you guys call every little thing an asspull, no other fandom is like this
Kisame and pain literally destroys hebi sasuke. He has a 0/10 chance of beating them. Even Ms sasuke would struggle heavily. And I don’t believe hebi sasuke could beat orochimaru that isn’t sick and has access to both his arms. This man stale matted the 4 tail while dying and no access to his jutsu. I can’t see sasuke beating the 4 tails at that point of time.
Orochimaru who wasn’t sick and had access to both his arms was instantly neutralized by Sharingan level genjutsu, which Sasuke has.
@@Dragon-md4gr sasuke is not itachi
@@Dragon-md4gr Sasuke is not Itachi and Kisame is not Orochimaru. Next?
The logic with sasuke having less chakra therefore he’s a better matchup to kisame makes sense in theory but falls apart when you think about it. If sasuke had less chakra he’s more prone to having all of his chakra taken which kisame has shown the ability to do multiple times. People also seem to forget how durable kisame is.. if you do not one shot him samehada basically makes him immortal. Genjustsu makes this weird I guess but pretty sure kisame stomps hebi sasuke. Sasuke wins once he can speed blitz kisame while one shotting him which I don’t think hebi sasuke can do.
Exactly
Kisame stomps Hebi Sasuke low diff, since Itachi couldn’t even genjutsu Kisame without the use of his MS sharingan, which is safe to say that Sasuke wouldn’t be able to either. And up into this point in the story Kisame has much better reaction feats, combat speed feats, and Durability feats
That's nonsense.
Orofhimaru has better genjutsu stats than kisame; both itachi and sasuke could place him under genjutsu with just base sharingan.
That anime scene between kisame and itachi is filler. It's debatable whether itachi would need to rely on ms in general to defeat kisame, but it's crazy to think any genjutsu less than tsukuyomi wouldn't work.
THAT being said, I think sasuke using genjutsu wouldn't last too long as samehada can just inject Chakra into kisame and break the illusion.
Genjustu ability isn’t genjustu resistance, deidora is stated to have resistance to genjustu but he has never used or been stated to have genjustu
@HondaCivic-wf7er I already said that...
3 weeks ago.
Can't read?
@browhatfrthatscrazybrobruh6991 genjustu resistance would be relevant to the genjutsu stat.
Deidara didn't have genjutsu resistance. At all.
What he had was a method to breaking out of a sharingan cast genjutsu. He developed this method after confronting itachi, and it was purposely tailored to circumvent the sharingan, or more specifically, genjutsu cast by the sharingan.
But he couldn't become immune to falling for the sharingans genjutsu in the first place.
The trick had to do with his right eye specifically and seemed to revolve around focusing and tensing the pupil somehow
@@angelm365 sasuke is nowhere near itachi when it comes to genjutsu
Your just a sasuke fanboy
Sasuke loses to kisame and pain 10 out of 10 times
Tobi and Itachi beat him too
Wait, Dyno thinks Sasuke can beat Pain? Lol.
Also Kakuzu also would destroy him
Sasuke definitely loses to Pain. I think he loses to Kisame. It just depends how effective lightning style is against Kisame, the bubble, and Samehada. I’m uncertain about that. Sasuke loses to orange mask obito and itachi 10/10 times as well.
Sasuke beating Kakuzu (my favorite akatsuki member) is a toss up. I think that’s 50/50. Sasuke has many advantages but Kakuzu has far more experience, numbers with the masks, high power jutsu of each nature, and is hard to kill.
I think how Kakuzu lost to Naruto was complete bs. But, he did. Naruto was ALSO weakened, so that argument of Kakuzu being fatigued is out the window.
Sasuke is a far better tactician than Naruto. “But Naruto had help.” Had Naruto’s Rasenshuriken not fizzled out, he would’ve won with no help.
Sasuke is much faster as well. Lightning release counters the diamond skin. Sasuke’s cursemark is effectively a weaker sage mode but is still very powerful, and give him durability.
Kakuzu has numbers (the masks) and experience, but Sasuke has the Sharingan. The ability to analyze Jutsu, Taijutsu, and place opponents in powerful genjutsu easily, pushes Sasuke over the edge. We don’t know if the hearts could set Kakuzu free from the genjutsu or not.
I’d love to assume Kakuzu has experience against the Sharingan being that he’s lived so long. But no counter strategy was shown in the fights.
It’s very high difficulty, but I think the Sharingan is hard for Kakuzu to deal with.
This
Sasuke flying in the air while Hidan just swings his sythe endlessly is the funniest thing I've imagined all day
same hahahahaha
Bro kisame decimates hebi sasuke
I love Sasuke...heck he is even my top 3 favourite characters in anime but ain't no way he beating kisame
The Sasuke stroking in this video was a little insane. He would only beat 3 of em at best
Great non-explanation. Only ones he clearly losses to are Pain & Obito. Kisame is a maybe & Itachi would be one-shotted a mile away with Kirin had Sasuke not wanted to confront him to find out who his accomplice was.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto you mean Sasuke gets one shot? You got it backwards lol
@@andrepayne4349 How? Would Itachi be scanning the area with his secret Byakugan as he waited ignorant of Kirin in the hideout then ambush Sasuke with Susano?
Sasuke is getting bitch by sasori kisame and kakuzu low diff@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto
@@andrepayne4349watch the show if itachi even with the illness still would’ve beat sasuke he only used his susanoo to take out orochimaru but used it to defend himself all im one ametarsu hit sasuke or one totsuka blade and it over
Hebi Sasuke was when Sasuke was at his best,his character was entirely different after but I didn't mind it much.
He was 99 overall in his arc.
More people are enlightened
Hebi sasuke is one of my favorite naruto characters and ime be real i didnt like his character as much afterwards and IMHO he became a little too edgy but i can always appreciate this sasuke i just love the way he fights and the drip bruh
That's not his best 😂 don't get me wrong he is strong but against the higher members? He is not winning and is losing badly
@@catnoir4670 I was talking about Sasuke being his best as a "character", not his strongest point.
This Sasuke was a b*tch. His opponents always had a handicap. He 'killed" a weakened Orochimaru, he defeated Deidara who had the weakest element against his techniques, he "defeated" Itachi who never wanted to hurt him, and when he got the Mangekyo Sharingan upgrade and went for Killer Bee, he was defeated/duped (almost died).
They literally made Lightning strong to Earth lmao, yeah the element that nullifies lightning is somehow it's weakness hahahaha
You missed an opportunity to title this “how many akatski members can sasuke take”
Sasuke bias so strong here
Most of these seem pretty decent, but the kisame one seems off. Almost all of you’re Sasuke win-cons were “Sasuke might possibly be able to…maybe” I’d say kisame wins easy. Sasuke couldn’t beat killer B on his own, and B only a match for kisame because samehada left mid-fight. Even if Sasuke could move up in the water bubble to escape, there’s no way he could out-swim kisame
Bro..Sasukes lightening would make the water bubble shock kisame like there's no tomorrow, also stop comparing kisame x sasuke vs bee, two different sasukes and matchups, sasukes kit beats kisame not bees and bee only struggled vs kisame because hes wreckless and dumb, sasuke is fast enough with cm 2 to decapitate kisame and nothing is in the story to state otherwise, kisame is good only after he transforms and absorbs chakra but Sasuke wont give him the chance
Give full context. Sasuke had a team while holding back to catch Bee alive, still being weakened from Itachi and not having the Curse Mark to multiply his stats (chapter 415 page 12). Bee also negated Sasuke's lightning style with his own, which is Kisame's weakness. Water conducts electricity. It would spread throughout the water bubble if Kisame, who knew Sasuke could use Chidori from his match with Itachi, was dumb enough to use it.
The moment Kisame gets a clear devastating cut on Sasuke who counters with a costly shed clone, its the beginning of the end for Sasuke. Not only absorbing the chakra in those costly clones, he'll basically become a dynamo of chakra energy. And the oversaturation of water in their battlefield would make Kirin either very less than normal powered, or unusable.
@@IIIISaiBro... Kisame absorbs the chakra out of Sasuke's lightning and get stronger. Bee also has lightning and didn't used it, because he understands it would only help Kisame.
Kisame btw. blitzes and one shots on land in base, it's not close at all. We can mention Kisame's one shot jutsus for fun, but those are overkills. Kisame bodies.
@@Stolas9 Bro not really, and again when I mentioned the lightening thats hypothetical, curse mark 2 sasuke speed blitz base kisame, if we are assuming they are blood thristy than sasuke wins, and unlike itachi sasuke has a good enough kit that kisame can't just look away, which means he's prone to genjutsu
Sorry buddy but the only reason Konan had a problem with fire style was because of the oil Jiraiya used on her cause he knows her weaknesses (cause he trained her) Sasuke doesn't have that knowledge, and add to that she almost killed Obito and he had to use izanagi, one of the strongest ninjas was caught of guard, sooo no he would be destroyed by Konan....
She almost killed obito after setting up a trap that took a lot of prep time and had to be executed at a specific location. That's not a jutsu she can use anywhere anytime.
But even if she could, sasuke can simply fly upwards and away as the ocean explodes beneath him 😂
And any single paper bombs that attempt to float up to sasuke would be struck down by chidori needles, Phoenix flower katon jutsu, etc etc.
I actually think konan vs hebi sasuke would be a stalemate:
because even though katon and raiton jutsu may be somewhat useful against konans paper jutsu but not as useful as using oil, konan is STILL essentially unkillable for as long as her paper jutsu lasts. Konan doesn't turn back into human flesh and blood until her Chakra runs out, and her paper jutsu deactivates, which is shown by the paper origami on her head unfolding and falling off.
So, neither of them would be able to kill each other. But if they were to wear each other down until they're both low on Chakra or just about zero, sasuke would still be able activate kirin and konan would be vulnerable with her paper jutsu turned off and die.
Hebi sasuke wins.
I don't think people realize what a feat it was for hebi sasuke to take down an akatsuki member whom he had absolutely no knowledge on.
Hebi sasuke is heavily underrated, but he should not be as underestimated as he is.
Correct
konan had 4 months prep time when she almost killed obito, normally she could never do that and was closer to base jiraiya which just isnt that crazy
@@AidenB1010 Yeah Sasuke is a well know ninja by that time, so she would be prepared for him too, what exactly do you think a ninjas job is exactly? Do you think she randomly gonna fight someone without knowing how to proceed? Shippuden literally rotted every fans critical thinking skills with them stupid dbz style fights.... "Intel" my guy, she has lots on a brother of a member of the Akatsuki as she should. Is not really an argument that she had prep time for Obito which mind you is far more dangerous than Sasuke. Also Sasuke got lucky with Deidara cause he was weak to his element but that the extent of that W for him cause if Deidara jutsu wasn't weak to lightning he would been screwed...
@@shalashaskashinkawa3985Exactly why they made it strong to earth, plot armor.
losing an arm wouldn't even be a problem for obito he can just regrow one, hidan also need to draw a circle so even he got the blood don't think sasuke would let it draw it, for kirin it is a strong justsu but need preparation since it needs a fire style jutsu to create rain clouds, konan tanked jiraja fire with no problem
There is no way Hebi Sasuke is beating Kisame, Sasori and Pain.
Why Sasori ? Orochimaru doesn't have immunity to sasori's poison first of all because it's shown in manga that it's antidote is literally discovered by Sakura by studying the poison's properties during treatment. Chidori can't penetrate iron sand as it's the strongest attack/defence in Sand village's history and is much stronger than Gaara's sand which Sasuke struggeld to penetrate nor does Sasuke have the raw power to punch iron sand weapons around like sakura did.
Why Kisame ? Because Kisame performed way better against the same killer bee that sasuke couldn't. He can absorb sasuke's chakra. And being the seven swordsman of the mist his kenjutsu is obviously better. And Sasuke won't be able to use Kirin because Kisame would negate his fire style jutsu with water style and he woudl trap him in water prison where sasuke has no way out. Kisame's Shark skin fused form would absorb Chidori nagash as well.
Why Pain ? Deva path can use a Shinra tensei that can blew entire konoha and dug a 10 story crater. One shinra tensei like that and Sasuke is not surviving that explosion by any means, even with the Manda genjutsu thing. Manda and sasuke inside him would be obliterated.
Sasuke getting posioned assumes he would get tapped, you're not including the fact sasuke is out of his speed caliber the fight would be 2 seconds, kisame does not have better Kenjutsu sasuke was trained by a legendary sanin with a more efficient sword curse mark drug pill in base and sharingan, kisame would struggle vs sasuke in a sword battle, and then sasuke is faster to begin with, and sasuke has giant shuriken summons and snake summons, I agree sasuke loses to pain
@@IIIISaiSasuke is not beating Sasori with Kazekage and it doesn't make sense to say Sasuke beats Kisame when Kisame fought Killer Bee solo and did far better than Sasuke using a entire team.
@@andrepayne4349 ay I understand I commented in multiple threads but you keep replying and giving mixed points because your combining my different messages, either way I gave reasoning on why sasuke beats kisame and sasori, u take out context, u think sasuke would let sasori take out any puppets yet alone kazekage either way sasori did trash in the show regardless of mental health, sasuke no diffs
@@IIIISai dude, Deidara says Sasori is way stronger than him in manga.
Deidara > Gaara
Sasuke barely beat Deidara
That means, Sasuke >= Deidara.
So obviously Sasori > Sasuke >=Deidara > Gaara
@@SoulblazewarriorOfCairnlands i hate this mental gymnastics out of context and glorifying character statements, Deidara is an idiot outside of batte, also sasori is not Stronger than him what 🤣🤣, sasori has a horrible tool kit one of the worst in the series, theres a reason they sent sakura to fight sasori, if kakashi was there its one blink gg, and sasuke washed Deidara, obito even warned him after sasuke speed blitz multiple times, sasuke then holds back because he wants information on itachi, if sasuke was bloodlust than after he genjutsued why didn't he decapitate Deidara twice, why didn't he use kirin, how are you gonna rock a sasuke pfp but not understand him 🤣, and thats all with the fact sasuke is above Deidara, but lets pretend he wasn't, different movesets, sasuke is actually better equipped vs Sasori than Deidara but he beats both, sasori would get speed blitz by sasuke 1second battle
Come on man. Kisame is definitely blowing Sasuke's back out.
PAUSE
And Pain too
MS being weaker than a Curse Mark is a heck of a take.
We know MS and EMS unlocks provide a lot of power improvement on the base- as seen with Sasuke just generally getting stronger despite not having any time/opportunity to do any training.
Sasuke got his ass beat so bad against Killer bee that people believe he got weaker than when he didnt have a MS xD.
It's never stated that MS buffs anything. That's just head canon.
@@andrepayne4349 its not head canon in the novel its stated to give 7 times more chakra than the normal sharingan
now if they chakra is given only on activation or if its given only once you unlock it is debatable
This is the same guy who thinks that weightless Lee in the chuunin exams stomps Neji despite Lee literally having an inferiority complex over being a worse fighter. Nevermind Neji not even being remotely impressed by Lee's speed until opening the gates.
And that's without mentioning any time he talks about Boruto characters which usually just devolves into 10-20 minutes of "Boruto bad". Which isn't wrong I guess but it doesn't make the characters weak. If anything, Boruto has the opposite problem with how completely stupid the power escalation is.
8 Tails Arc Sasuke was weaker than Curse Mark Sasuke not because the MS is inferior, but because Sasuke at that point had no idea how to use it. 5KS Sasuke with way more Mangekyo experience and Susanoo easily overpowers the Curse Mark.
The weaker pains were still reacting to sage naruto like the animal path had a tai jutsu swing with sage naruto and the preta path was also able to react to sage naruto, sage naruto used sage chakra on his hand so when pain doged his punch he still got hit by it and sage naruto didn't think that trick would work again, my point is if the weaker pains are reacting to sage naruto and 3 of them had sage jiraiya cornered then hebi sasuke wont be able to keep up so he won't have enough time to use kirin and even if he did, kirin take some time to use so when sasuke goes for it pain would know what's up and can't the animal path use a bounch of summoning to take the damage or can't pain shoot a bounch of rockets and laser beams at it
Exactly!! Not to mention the fact that pain can literally just pull Sasuke to him and they have him. Also if we give knowledge to Sasuke then we can assume zestu would tell pain about Kirin
@@moeantics4164 zetsu ain't that much of an opp chill 🤣
@@IIIISai I’m just sayin. He can be pretty oppy when he wants to be 😂
Not to mention Pain wasn't fighting to kill Naruto, just to subdue him. At that point in the series, if it was a fight to the death, it would have been on-sight for Pain.
@@easymoneyshayyeah pain could just pull sasuke, hold him with the preta path to absorb his chakra and weaken him then rip his soul out with the human path, while the other three paths stab him with rods or something. The summons of pain are also annoying: multiplying giant dog, invisible chameleon, giant bird that drops egg bombs, and so on.
I dont know how Konan wouldnt be able to beat Sasuke, she made Obito use a Izanagi while hebi Sasuke would get crushed by Obito
Because you can't think, that's why.
to be fair she had prep. If she prepped for saskuke she is killing him
This is not dragonball you have to consider matchups
Because she fought in the rain where her set-up was
Konan used homecourt advantage. Anywhere else, Sasuke crushes her.
there is no universe where hebi sasuke beats pain not even once. Plus why are you nerfing pain? Make the scenario a fullpowered 1 on 1.
Well pain is kind of slow
Ur absolutely smoking if you think sasuke has ANY chance against Kisame
Dygo loves Sasuke so much that he practices Yoga. Because my man was STRETCHING a few of these Sasuke wins 😅
I got this roster
Hidan vs Sasuke = Sasuke Win
Zetsu vs Sasuke = Sasuke Win
Hidan vs Sasuke = Sasuke Win
Deidara Vs Sasuke = Well it's a Canon Event
Sasori Vs Sasuke = Sasuke takes it assuming he can actually resist the poison
Konan Vs Sasuke = With prep time, I'd give it to Konan. She performed better against Tobi, who at this point is still significantly more talented and powerful than Fused Sasuke. Random encounter I could give it to Sasuke mid to high diff.
Kisame vs Sasuke = Kisame high diffs.
Itachi vs Sasuke = Itachi mid diffs
Pain vs Sasuke = Pain Mid diff
Tobi Vs Sasuke = Tobi Mid Diffs
So not THAT much different than Dygo's list, I think I just give Konan, Sasori and Kisame their due is all. diligemce
Kisame would absolutly stomp hebi Sasuke. He is much faster then him, he was doing much better against B than Sasuke who had whole team with him and still almost died seweral times. He reacted to 7 gates Guy and KCM 1 Naruto. He tanked Hirudora and if it was ninjutsu atack he would have win. He also can absorb ninjutu, like when he absorbt lightnig stile from B sword.
Sasuke held back because he needed Bee alive for the Biju, was still weakened from Itachi and lost the Curse Mark (chapter 415 page 12). The fact that he still dodged Bee's Hachibi enhanced speed says alot. Bee said only Raikage had done so (chapter 413) and never acknowledged Kisame's speed.
Kisame held back as well and B must use use version 2 to hit him, while base B was fighting whole team taka at the same time for while. Nefr is debatable, MS is much bigger amp then Cursemark. At least his reactions should be much faster.
@@petalasek2590 Sasuke didn't even activate his Sharingan til he was in the midst of the sword clash. When he finally activated Mangekyo Bee was immediately paralyzed. If the nerf didn't matter it wouldn't have been mentioned. And it wasn't implied he needed version 2. Unlike with Sasuke whom he needed to catch off guard to hit.
8 tails was literally saying to B to enter full tail beast form against Kisame. And B was out of chakra. But to be fair he activated in Sasuke fight, witch was very bad move because of amaterasu. Witch Hebi Sasuge doesn’t have.
Still Sasuke had 3 very poverfull high jonin level allies. And Kisame has far more expirience with sharingan.
@@petalasek2590 For a power boost. Speed was never mentioned. Kisame even said V2 was too much chakra for Sameheda to absorb. He had incentive to dodge yet still got hit (chapter 471 page 11).
Should have known he loved sasuke, it was already weird when he made sasuke beat jiraya in his rewrite. Jiriaya is literally one of the most srongest hidden leaf ninja at the time if not the strongest
and sasuke perception blitzed naruto who was jonin level, easily beat a weakened orochimaru who performed similarly against 4 tails naruto compared to jiraiya(and sasuke also had the curse mark to amp himself to match sage jiraiya, which he wouldnt let happen anyone)
@@AidenB1010 missing a lot of context. Naruto was not comparable to Jiraya when Saskuke blitzed him. Orochi was far weaker when Sasuke fought him than when he fought te 4 tails. Jiraiya didnt fight the 4 tails he got surprise attacked. Curse mark is not enough to match Jiraya
You might not be ready to hear this but in shippuden the sannins are fodder
@timeyinsholaye9169 thank you, this guys really underrate jiraya, bro has sage mode and did you see the jitsu he was using against pain he is one of the most all round ninjas and has the most missions in the hidden leaf, meaning tons of experience too. And bro was letting snake sasuke fold him like that it's disrespectful.
@@juliusfishman7222. Wait till you listen to what he just made him do against 6 high level ninja, one including Tsunade.
You forgot that sasuke can just genjutsu the animal paths summons. So the more summons the animal path has out, the greater sasuke’s advantage. He doesn’t even need manda. And this would actually change the entire flow of the battle because with the summons on sasukes side he can easily split up and take out each path one by one. The only question is if he can do this before tendo’s power returns. Imo sasuke also wins in Naruto’s position.
Ngl you’re kinda dense, sasuke was comfortable saying that he was stronger than orochimaru when he was killing him BECAUSE orochimaru was sick. So sasuke later saying that he only won the fight because orochimaru was sick isn’t a contradiction of the earlier statement
That's Hebi Sasuke, he loses to every single Akatsuki member except Hidan probably because their stats are the same at 31.5, but every other Akatsuki member has higher stats, so Sasuke loses
ah yes, the databooks
@@DygoKnightah yes, your bias opinion
@@Taylor_Lifts Based opinion*
@@DygoKnight yeah delusional, sasukes meat might be burnt by how much your riding it, you are the biggest sasuke glazer, even more than sakura and I'm still mad about the hebi sasuke and sage mode naruto thing, like ? Even Ms sasuke can't be able to beat sage mode naruto, naruto blitzes, uh, maybe I'm fuming.
Dude is saying pain can't survive Kirin
But pain survived the bijuu bomb blast which is way too destructive then Kirin.
I think you should read the manga again
Kirin is calced higher than that Bijuu Bomb
@@GeneFOX70It's not, stop reading data books, use discernment......from Sasuke??? A kirin from Sasuke is stronger than a Biju bomb??? Come on now...
@@DygoKnight pain is just a dead body remeber when Ashura path after the fight with Kakashi he was still able to move being completely nailed by him and the summoning path,jiraiya hit him with a rasengan and that path was drowned in that oil but still even he was able to move pain durability depends on Nagato's chakra
@@GeneFOX70gtfo lmao
I don’t think the orochimaru fight would end anywhere similar to what you described
Yea I don't think so either, I think it'd be much more difficult for Sasuke
Especially since Orochimaru only went to a genjutsu war out of desperation.
He'd avoid eye contact and wouldn't use any genjutsu, keeping it from become a genjutsu battle.
Then, he'd use the eight-headed serpent. Sasuke just doesn't have anything that can deal with that.
we all have our own interpretations, right?
nah, Sasuke's skills and growth throughout the series would have given him a fighting chance against Orochimaru. He had various powerful techniques and the Sharingan to counter Orochimaru's abilities.@SteterFan
@@Suto_KoSasuke himself stated in manga that he only was able to defeat Orochimaru because he was dying with his limbs sealed.
Don't forget that Orochimaru with his vessel body almost at limit was toying with 4 tails Naruto.
This is a healthy Orochimaru we are talking about, he can last much longer with much more chakra and even without Edo tensei he's still got like thousands of jutsu, Orochimaru even has god knows how many Forbidden Jutsu that was told to us but he never used.
Sasuke stands no chance. Also, Sasuke's genjutsu is nothing compared to itachi's who's canonically the 2nd strongest genjutsu user in the whole narutoverse(after Shisui Uchiha)
Deidara was CLEAR PLOT ARMOR. 0 Chakra left but summoned Manda?! Then Put him under Genjutsu? Nawww
Sasuke had chakra. He's Sharingan was activated.
@DygoKnight He did not, I rewatched just to make sure. His Sharingan was not active. Also you can't compare Chakra used to keep the Sharingan Active with summoning Manda.
@@CoffeeandCharacter you forget that Deidara ASSUMED Sasuke was out of chakra. It wasn't a certainty, just an assumption. Deidara was never confirmed to be a sensory type. Unless I missed something, please correct me if I am wrong.
You didn't mention Kisame shark bomb jutsu,a ninjutsu that absorbs any other other ninjutse, any lightining ninjutsu that Sasuke does will be absorbed by this jutsu, theoretically even Kirin. Besides Kisame did absord Bee's pencil with lightning chakra, he could perhaps absord Sasuke's lightning cloak etc, not counting he has much bigger amount of chakra.
The jutsu kirin guides the lightning, the lightning is just lightning
I mean, you can't really count on Kirin in most scenarios because it depends on the weather. So kisame wins most of the time and pain wins 10/10
huh? Sasuke literally has a way to change the weather
@@DygoKnightthat one time i would say itachi did most of the work with amaterasu. they both basically wasted their whole chakra just to make this one kirin possible. in any other fight kirin would not be anywhere near powerful
@@DygoKnight Yes, but it's super hard to do, if he could do it whenever he wanted, the fight with Bee would be different. It seems like a very occasional situation for it to be possible
@@DygoKnighthe could only do it once and that was with Itachi unintentionally helping set it up with his inferno style
realistically he can’t just whip it out, like someone else pointed out if he could he would’ve used it against Bee
it’s not Chidori where he can just use it whenever, it takes meticulous set up
@@boshlovely2002He was about to use it against team 7, no prep
Can’t wait for five year old Sasuke vs each Akatsuki member when you are running out of ideas.
quadruple amputee
Sasuke vs floating brain in a jar EMS/Juubi Madera. 3 hours and 34 mins video.
@@BlvckTourmaline okay this is funny tho idk why the comment above is hating, could literally do something else
Content creators always start some sasuke debate just to downplay him
Last time I checked wasn't this the same sasuke that ran 🏃🏽♂️ out his own home begging😭 for his life and now bro all like I'm avenger 🤡🤡🤡😂😂
@@thevillain6764 so u wouldn't cry if you got tortured at age 7, lol u would probably cry if your jordans got creased
Kisame is like a jinchuuriki he is immune to genjutsu
Samehada is a sentient being it can free him from genjutsu like bee and gyuuki
i dont think so, samehada doesnt seem to be a racional being
Jiinchuriki aren’t immune to genjutsu because they can still be placed under it. They just have a method of breaking it. Immunity is not the same as having a counter to it
@@karallyo It was stated anyway so
@@karallyoit literally broke killer bee out of genjutsu when edo itachi used it on him
@@rushipatel7399Perfect jinjurki are essential immune due to the tailed beast seeing the jinjuriki effected
(wanna preface sasuke is my favourite character) there is no argument i can get behind saying sasuke could beat kisame. combined kisame and sammehada beat the bricks off of killer bee. i just cant give sasuke the win.
also he’s wrong that samehada can’t absorb ninjutsu. we quite clearly see killer bee use it to absorb edo itachi’s fire style, though it does react negatively. he definitely didn’t just cut it like dygo suggests lol.
So you are supposing he Will arrive at that state during their fight and Sasuke won't be able to exit the water bubble
corrects me if im wrong, we havent seen anything from sasuke related to fighting underwater. Kisame on the other hand, fast as hell, along with that, the bubble moves with him.@@massimilianosantaiti2766
agree to disagree, but remember that Sasuke's skills and growth throughout the series would give him a fighting chance against Kisame.
@@Suto_Ko but its pretty simple really. Killer bee embarrassed sasuke and beat him without even trying. kisame kicks the shit out of Killer Bee even when hes going all out. it took 7th gate guy to kill him.
The amount of people in the comment section that disagree with Sasuke vs Kisame is funny, but at least it shows most of the fandom has common sense. Kisame wins 10/10. Hebi Sasuke is Jounin level at best, but still far below Kakashi and Gai.
Sasuke also loses to Orochimaru and Sasori, simply because they are hokage level.
Kakuzu lost because of plot, seriously it didn’t make sense for him to be outsmarted by a 15 year old, when he's over 100 years old and fought Hashirama.
You must be stupid
My guy would stomp satori,deidara,hidan,kakazu,orochimaru and zetsu
@@andrepayne4349 Post-skip Sasuke is a solid Kage tier.
Hebi sasuke is far above Jonnin level lmao. Yamato, Sakura and Naruto who are all at Jonnin level were getting bodied by sasuke and he wasn’t even trying. But yeah kisame still beyond neg diffs this sasuke without even trying.
@@aleclegault5729 Sasuke would've lost against team 7, Yamato even said he was holding back
Ur sasuke vs Kisame take is wild.
It is actually not fair to nerf a character in these type of scenarios. Pain (full power) vs Sasuke is completely one sided. Pain wins zero to low diff
One genjustu Pain down
@@yoosergi HUH BRO WATCHED SASUKE SHIPPUDEN GAHAHAH
@@yoosergibro IS trying to use GENJUTSU on a RINNEGAN user.
Quick reminder that those are MADARA'S EYES we're talking about...
@@tomate-ball3830 the rinnegan does not make the user immune to genjutsu, however they fight in group so they can break each other out of the illusion
There's no way hebi sasuke beats kisame cause there's no way hebi sasuke scales to 6th gate guy. Gotta disagree with you on this one.
8:14
Not saying definitively whether Kisame wins vs Sasuke (Even tho I think Kisame has a better chance), I just wanna defend Kisame's intellectual prowess and the amount of times he's outsmarted people:
- Hid inside of Samehada and spied on the Cloud Village with NO ONE, not even Cee, Darui, Ao, or The Raikage noticing.
- Broke down Bee's strategy to catch him in a 3-part trap with the lightning pencil while analyzing everything MID-DODGE
- Saw through Bee's attempt to trick Kisame into releasing his companions from the water bubble and used it to catch Bee off-guard
- Kept Aoba from reading his mind
- Hid a trapped scroll from Guy by feeding it to a shark and hiding it in a sea of 1000 sharks
- Even AFTER HIS DEATH, still managed to deliver intel to the Akatsuki by trapping the original scroll that Guy had with water prisons
(In the Naruto Generations cutscene)
- Against Itachi, used the steam from their water and fire attack to his advantage by hiding in the mist
- Predicted Itachi's maneuver while hiding in the mist and tricked him with a water clone, and even pressing Itachi enough to use Mangekyo level genjutsu on him (if you rewatch at the scene, Kisame got caught in it when he saw Itachi's eye in the reflection of the water)
Kisame may be seen as the "big brute guy" of the Akatsuki, but that's only because he loves fighting, and doesn't tend to strategize against Guy because he wants to have fun.
But when it comes down to business, my man is an efficient ninja and a mastermind who uses stealth, deception, and subterfuge when he needs to be.
Sasuke is my favorite character, but I think you're overestimating his abilities here.
Sasuke > Hidan, low-med difficulty. Without Kakuzu, all hidan has is good taijutsu which is easily countered by Sasuke's sharingan. He can use genjutsu to stop the ritual. He can dismember Hidan to the point he is completely disabled.
Sasuke > Konan, med difficulty. Assuming a neutral field of battle where konan hasn't already planted billions of paper tags, I can't see Sasuke losing this one. His fire will burn up her paper, his lightning will shred her if she gets close. Gonna assume sharingan genjutsu is also an option since she has shown nothing to hint that she could be immune to it.
Sasuke > Deidara, High difficulty
Sasuke
This is more accurate.
"Sasuke just can't match Kakuzu's raw power and access to 5 elements"
Yes he can, and it's called flight. He's way faster and more agile than anyone that Kakazu was shown fighting, and while the masks aren't weak, they don't pack as much of a punch as what he was eating from Deidara.
Kakazu lost agaisnt a couple of chunin, a Kakashi that wasn't using his strongest jutsu, and a tired Naruto who still hadn't figured out his main jutsu. Fighting against weak opponents makes him look overwhelming, but Kakazu is the second-weakest member of the Akatski.
Konan is immune to fire jutsus and any physical attacks. Neither fire nore lightning can damage her in her paper form. Also Sasuke can't fly, it's a lie by Dygo so he won't close the gap to her to cast genjutsu on her. However Konan's attacks aren't dangerous to Sasuke either I would say, so to be fair it's a 50/50 and a battle of attrition. Either Konan loses Chakra first and has to deactive her angel form or Sasuke loses his chakra first. Can go either away in that sense.
Agreed with this one although would Say he's gonna win against Konan high diff.
@@tupoibaran3706 ah, yes. I forgot that was displayed in her brief battle with Jiraiya. It's been too long. 🤣
Imagine thinking sasuke beats kisame.
I mean he gave a good explanation of the possible outcomes and jutsus and counters for each one.. it'd be extremely difficult for both
@@oscarperez5539 1) Dygo is false about saying Kisame can't absorb jutsus, so he would absorb lightning release 2) Kisame won't get in hebi Sasuke's genjutsu when Sasuke is extremely bad at using that (even Taka Sasuke is bad at genjutsu as stated by Danzo) and Kisame was literally sparring with Itachi in free time. Kisame already knows everything about basic Sharingan and how to fight it 3) Kisame is simply better at close combat than Hebi Sasuke and both of their fights vs Killer Bee showcase it perfectly. + Kisame reguraly fought Might Guy and was just fine up until Guy used like 6+ gates. You cannot tell me Sasuke with 3 tomoe is equal to 6 or 7 gates guy. 4) Dygo constantly mentioned how cursed stage 2 Sasuke can fly which is simply not true. It only makes him jump higher and perhaps stay in air for a bit longer (kinda like parachute effect) but in no way does it work like Konan's angel form for example. 5) Lastly, if Sasuke gets caught in the huge water cage then he insta loses. He cannot swimm like Bee in jinchuriki form.
@@tupoibaran3706 lol Sasuke isn't bad at genjutsu, danzo didn't say he was bad at it.. he said he isn't as proficient with it as Itachi. Sasuke and Itachi had a genjutsu battle. You can't really compare gai and Sasuke since gai just uses taijutsu which is a perfect counter against kisame, that's how he was able to beat kisame.
Again, idk who would win, I thought kisame wins before but with dygo explanation it makes Sasuke look like he has some chance of winning even if small. Or at the very least put up a good fight against kisame. I wouldn't say kisame completely decimates Sasuke as some are saying
@@oscarperez5539 Sasuke's 3 tomoe genjutsu is equal to that of Itachi.
Danzo meant that Sasuke doesn't have a genjutsu that could come close to Tsukuyomi
Kirin is not a move that he can just do at any moment it requires a massive set up so constantly referring to it as a win condition is not realistic. It requires multiple things to work properly to create a raincloud and then and only then can he use it.
this would be the same argument as saying Naruto can just tail beast bomb his enemies and win. Doesn't just work like that. Another thing you can compare it to is Piccolo from dragon ball when he uses his Special Beam Cannon, in theory he can beat enemies that are stronger than him with one shot but it requires set up and for him to not be interrupted and he needs to hopefully land the shot too. It's not just if abilitie stronger than me win.
@@pushyrummble8625But Naruto literally can use Tailed beast bomb anytime he's in Jincloak state or Bijuu mode. He doesn't need prep time and favourable environment conditions. Both are very different.
It would also be too obvious that Sasuke is plotting to launch a powerful attack from the sky when he's fighting Pain in Konoha, no way it falls for that
21:00 Sasuke being amped by drugs was mere speculation because they were shocked at how strong he became. Neither Sasuke, Orochimaru, or Kabuto confirmed it. Rather, taking pride in his Uchiha heritage, Sasuke bashed Orochimaru for his methods of gaining power (chapter 344).
2 and a half years is plenty of time to achieved the improvements he showed at the hideout. Super speed, kenjutsu, Sharingan mastery, and Chidori Stream. In 15 days he obtained Lee's level of high-speed taijutsu and mastered Chidori. Despite having no prior experience with lightning (I said 15 days because chapter 93 shows he was in the hospital for the first half of the month). He wasn't immune to poison either (at least not all) given Orochimaru's effected him.
Yup Sasuke wasn't drugged and people actually take a drunk grannys and trash pink heads opinion serious, dygo is a confusing individual sometimes hes ride or die for sasuke or has some cheesy opinion that doesn't make sense, he also thought sasuke was gonna kill Naruto in the beginning of Shippuden even tho it was a bait
@@IIIISai He really was, but Dygo misunderstands. Sasuke only wanted to kill Itachi but he's willing to kill others. Especially if needed. Aside from Team 7 he had no issue "killing" mass murderer Orochimaru who was hellbent on stealing his body. Immediately tried slicing Akatsuki member Tobi in half and made his partner Deidara plummet toward the entire field of landmines. Team 7 managed to track him down to one of the ever so elusive Orochimaru's hideouts & would continue to pursue him if left alive. They were a threat.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto yes team 7 was a threat, and I think if sasuke killed them I would celebrate because it shows sakura and Naruto didn't learn jack sh*t from Sasuke end of valley part 1, tho I still think sasuke 7/10 likely was bluffing, maybe he gambled if orochimaru would stop him,if not ig he would kill em, and I agree sasuke had a moral code but I really wished he killed Deidara himself not because if the cringe fanbase, but because sasuke is a smart dude but couldn't read that Deidara was a blind idiot with chaotic powers he was gambling everything just to get an answer out of Deidara, and even punched diedara after genjutsu instead of cutting his arms off to be safe, i went a bit off topic, Overall love dygos channel sometimes he covers topics about sasuke i wanted but everytime i look in the comment section it makes me hate the fandom tho seeing the like minded comments feels great
How did Sasuke's Sharingan see Daedra's bombs underground when Nagato couldn't see through Naruto's smokebomb?
Yep it's completely retarded and obvious Uchiha/protagonist bias, but exposes the deliberate simple writing (bad writing) of many fights and the Konoha invasion arc. It makes no sense, as Pain should have more than been able to see it and anticipate those attacks. You see this is the type of foolery that the writers of Naruto engaged in in order to get characters by and make them look stronger - when they are not - and the fandom eats it all up.
I could comprehend being in a bad situation as it makes no sense to have a character literally win by actual raw power, skill and knowledge that they clearly should not possess - which may call for simple writing and plot conveniences to get them passed - but many of what they (he and the editors etc) wrote are absurd and severely messes up the story.
The smoke must have been thicker than the layer of ground. Zabuza's mist kept him concealed from Kakashi.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNarutothat doesn't make sense. Mist isn't thicker than dirt nor smoke.
Also mist kinda makes sense since it's water particles, reflecting and refracting the light. Like have you driven through thick fog before, it's wild.
And hidden mist is chakra based too.
Long short, sauske shouldn't be able to see through dirt
@@bobbob-zc1nx Now that I think about it, he's not actually seeing through it. Chakra is just transparent to Sharingan. Everything else is ignored. While chakra is highlighted.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto if that was true Kakashi wouldn't have gotten tricked by obitos pachute kunai in the smoke and obito wouldn't have been tricked by Kakashis clone, while he was underground.
This is the only time in the series anything other than the byakugan is shown seeing through solid objects.
It's just something kishimoto thought of, but scraped later.
Itachi didn't see curse mark sauske under his feet after deactivating amatarasu either
0:14 I agree with everything except the reserve summoning move. That was bs. If you can do that you can dodge any nuke level jutsu with ease. Shikamaru’s dad is a Jonin and he couldn’t reverse summon himself out of the ten tails’ bijudama. Nobody in the whole command center could do that. Such a useful and basic technique should be standard amongst jonin but it’s not.
chakra levels?
Thank you, i don’t see how he didn’t see that was clear plot armor, not even mad at it, loved that fight but don’t try and act like that was a normal thing sasuke did to get out that situation😂
@@rishgonehighgod finally someone gets it, sasuke basically used hiraishin to escape
Maybe they don't have a summoning contract with and animal?
@@massimilianosantaiti2766an entire command center full of jonin and not a single one has a summoning? yea that’s not likely
Yes Sasuke beating Deidera is just plot armor. No the reason he wins is noy established beforehand. He survives cause of an ass pull, reverse summoning never seen before or since. Olease stop saying that
buddy please stop watching the show with the screen off it wasn't plot armor
orochimaru had both his arms "taken" away when he was sick. They later say it'd be a lot harder with his arms cured
Win against
Karin (Akatsuki), Suigetsu (Akatsuki), Jugo (Akatsuki), Black and White Zetsu, Hidan,Konan,Sasori,Kakuzu,Deidara.
Maybe beat himself because Sasuke (Akatsuki) was weaker but he unlocked Amateratsu and Kagutsuchi so is close.
Can't beat
Kisame, Orochimaru (Akatsuki no edos ) Itachi, Pain,Obito.
Imo
STOMPS SHIN BTW
Konan?
Sasori? I don’t think so.
Orochimaru would still be after his body thus fall prey to his body transfer ritual easily being reversed. Itachi is one-shotted a mile away with Kirin as he waits in the hideout if Sasuke doesn't hold back to find out who his accomplice was for the massacre.
Sasuke (Akatsuki) has a good chance of winning against Karin, Suigetsu, Jugo, Black and White Zetsu, Hidan, Konan, Sasori, Kakuzu, and Deidara. He may struggle against Kisame, Orochimaru (Akatsuki no edos), Itachi, Pain, and Obito. It's just my opinion though.
This is actualy what I would change in Naruto
Lightning style placement.
Why Raiton strong againts Doton?
When Earth can neutralize Lightning
It should be => (weak to)
Fire => Water
Water => Lightning
Lightning => Earth
Earth => Wind
Wind => Fire
With that logic, earth neutralized wind. Earth neutralizes every other element actually, so the other four nature types should be weak against daton jutsu.
Daton reigns Supreme! 😂
@@angelm365
Wind cause erosion and it's flow can evade earth by flowing way above they ground.
Also in the series wind always depicted like blade that can cut hard object, like stone.
@seihanda8792 Sorry I was trolling, I actually agree with your assessment.
Raiton should destroy suitor because it can't, but it should automatically reset the water from any unnatural shape or flow it currently holds when struck by suitor. Just return to its normal physicals and lay on the floor or what have you.
And the wind doesn't really erode the earth person but just maintains, hills, valleys, etc.
Also, water actually erodes earth at the shore. So maybe kishi was right all along
I don’t think Hebi Sasuke beats anyone outside of Deidara… who he actually just barely beat. The Sasuke glazing here is wow
Bro sasuke has zero chance against pain💀 ... Deva path alone is a problem he just repels everything
With intervals in between. Which is how he was defeated to begin with. It's all about being able to create that opening.
That being said, pain, for me, is the six paths together, and the six paths is a monster that would utterly destroy hebi sasuke or anyone really.
Naruto only won with heavy indirect and direct assistance 😂
@@angelm365 his defeat was kinda annoyed think bout it ...he stood there waiting for narutos rasengun Nd secondly 5 second just exist because his power is that overpowered
From the get go pain could hurt him as he did to Kakashi Nd naruto
Nagatos chakra reserve is unreal sasuke is getting mauled
Kisame stomps neg to no diff. Your take on this is so wild 😂
Deidara brought sasuke to a stalemate. Sasuke was out of chakra and that he managed to make anything more than a fireball is kind of bs and definitely plot armor.
Sasuke was not out of chakra, his sharingan was activated
@@DygoKnightHe wasn't out of chakra but he had very few left. He was barely able to stand up.
I don't know how much chakra summoning Manda and putting him under genjutsu cost but it shouldn't be as less as the amount Sasuke had.
Also, Deidara could've bombed Sasuke into oblivion from 500ft above but kishimoto made Deidara fight at mid air range.
@@SoulblazewarriorOfCairnlands First he wasn't out of chakra, it was deidara's assumption who is not a sensory type and doesn't have a dojustu to see chakra. Deidara sayed that because he saw sasuke tired and barely able to stand, why was sasuke in that state because he literally chidori himself, he sayed he was chooked by the chidori. He literally had his sharingan activate the entire time and being chooked by his chidori doesn't mean out of chakra, sasuke never sayed he was even after suigestu summoned him he has his sharingan activated.
Second, sasuke is faster than deidara and tobi they both admit it two times, he was dodging fine the c2 explosion before the landmines, if deidara goes far away than where he was in canon his bombs will take more time to reach sasuke and sasuke can see chakra by coulour so with his speed he will easily avoid the C2 explosion from an hypothetical far away deidara than in canon and would have time to avoid the mines with his sharingan.
How is that an asspull from kishimoto ?
@@israelmatulimubalama1496it's definitely an asspull.
Sasuke couldn't even maintain the sharingan, so he was definitely low on chakra, but that's not even the main problem.
Sasuke is 10-20 feet away from Deidara when the bomb exploded and summoned Manda, used genjutsu, jumped into his mouth and the used reverse summoning jutsu before being eviscerated by an explosion the size of an atomic bomb that explodes at thousands of MPH minimum.
Sasuke shouldn't even have enough time to blink, or move a finger.
As a matter of fact, it happens thousands of times faster than his brain could even register pain. So it's definitely a huge asspull.
@@andrepayne4349 he literally desactivate his sharingan because he was thinking that the battle was over, he did the same thing against itachi.
At the start of the figth deidara uses 2 c1 bombs directly at sasuke who was'nt even on guard, yet he had the time to summon a snake to defend him.
Deidara literally stated that his c2 were his fastest bombs which sasuke could dodge without problem. C0 take more time than c1 to even activate. The figth finshed in a cliffanger because kishimoto wants the audience to have suspens by "faking" sasuke's death specialy because he's a main character.
That chapter where deidara uses C0 is literally named "sasuke's death"
Kishimoto forshadows many things to prove it's not an asspull.
He showed at the start of the figth sasuke can summon his snakes quikcly nearly instanteniously, he showed it even when sasuke stoped juugo and suigestu from killing each other by summoning two snakes with incredible speed in fact at those both moments we don't even see sasuke weaving handsignes.
Kurama sayed that sasuke in the tengi bridge arc could control his power with the sharingan so it's not like a summon will resist better than the most powerfull tailed beast facing the sharingan.
Sasuke sayed at deidara that he had a backup plan that deidara didn't saw yet to escape his explosion if ligthing style didn't work which was his reverse summoning.
Oddly enough I don't think Sasuke's lightning style could help against Kisame's water style. Chakra elements seem to work according to the elemental advantage cycle, not to the laws of physics. Suigetsu is weak to lightning style, but that's probably because his whole body is essentially made of water (doesn't look like a water style technique), in that case the laws of physics could apply. If chakra elements obeyed to the laws of physics, wood style would just lose to fire style, but it doesn't seem to. Probably because wood style is a combination of water and earth style.
There might be an interesting video to make about that subject. I've always wondered why fire style techniques never caused any wildfire. As weird as it sounds, my only conclusion is that fire style isn't actual fire, and it's the same with other elements. After all, nobody in the Naruto universe is making a campfire with fire style, and nobody is charging batteries with lightning style.
I'd say it's not that simple and the laws of physics still apply. Chakra Natures can interact in more ways than just strength and weaknesses. Chakra weaknesses seem more to be about nature attacks canceling another out in a direct clash. Water and lightning don't cancel since the water attack isn't stopping, so the cycle is still preserved. That doesn't mean the water user isn't in for a shock though.
You do realize most trees see multiple wildfires in their lives right?
Compost, even wood based is a fire retardant too.
you're right, chakra elements in Naruto don't always follow the laws of physics. It seems to be more about the elemental advantage cycle rather than realistic interactions. It's an interesting topic to explore, like why fire style techniques don't cause wildfires. Maybe the elements in Naruto aren't exactly the same as their real-world counterparts.
@@bobbob-zc1nx I went halfway in my realistic approach precisely because going fully realistic would be boring. In most stories with "magic stuff" wood is weak to fire, water is weak to thunder. In reality yes wood is a fire retardant and water is not even weak to electricity, it's just a worse conductor than metal and better than air.
In reality, "elements" aren't even a thing, fire isn't an element, it's a chemical reaction. Chakra doesn't exist either but going fully realistic is pointless while discussing Naruto. I didn't expect I'd have to clarify that.
@@Suto_Ko the interesting thing is, some techniques actually use the elements. Water style sometimes uses actual water from a lake, and Sasuke's Kirin used the electricity from clouds.
Yet pulling a water style technique without water doesn't dehydrate you or the air around, so maybe in that case (in most cases) a chakra element technique doesn't produce the actual element, but is simply chakra that looks like water, fire etc...
The more I think about it, the more confusing it gets 😅
Kisame was called the tailed beast without a tail. I dont think he’s losing.
Because of his stamina not power, that nickname is not a good way to scale his strenght
Sasuke is not beating kisame and pain being nerf won't change anything Sasuke just doesn't come close at this point. Rest is pretty fair.
Am I the only one who doesn’t remember sasuke flying with his curse mark like a bird ever
bro it's so insane how Dygo mentions it in half of the matchups while we literally never see him truly fly. The two time we see him in air with curse mark is when he JUMPS. His wings only boost his jump and perhaps allow him to stay in air for a bit longer (kinda like parachute) but that's about it. Why the fk wouldn't he just immediately fly up to Deidara when Deidara hopped on to the dragon and instead had to jump on the sword and calculate how far he can reach with the piercing chidori. Why did he not fly in Itachi fight a single time at least, like for example when Itachi started casting Amaterasu. It's just so false to say that he can fly like Konan.
@@tupoibaran3706 Chapter 358 page 10, Deidara immediately launches a missile to prevent him from flying after CM2 is activated. Sasuke willingly takes the hit, blowing off his wing, in his plan to deduce if his lightning can neutralise Deidara's bombs. He wanted Itachi to use Amaterasu so it could set the forest on fire to quickly heat up the atmosphere. They mainly fought in the building and he had no reason to fly outside except to reach the top of the pillar for Kirin. But by that point he had little to no chakra to use CM.
@@Sasukeis6-0againstNaruto I agree about the Itachi reasoning as that’s the same thing I remember after the comment but the first argument is so dumb XD
@@tupoibaran3706 he literally escape the first explosion with the landmines by flying a litlle bit by deidara own words.
With one of his wings destroyed he's able to reach deidara who is flying really high in the air and pierce him with his chidori.
Still with one wing after he escape the second C4 bomb by piercing with his chidori, he's able to change direction in the air, maintain himself and then attack deidara before he activate his c4 kagura.
Yes he definetely can't fly 💀
Hebi Sasuke barely survived deidara. He would lose against all the others.
Sasuke wasn't trying to kill Deidara and Tobi warned him at the beginning of the fight that Sasuke was about to strike him from behind.
Even Hidan? Are you insane lmao
@@Dragon-md4gr wasn’t trying? Hahaa. What not trying looks like, is when Itachi fights his opponents without breaking a sweat. Sasuke was sweating. He wasn’t in the position to not try, cause he was trying to survive lol
@@AK-MS27 yeah he would survive due to plot armor. Cause Hidan just needs to hit him once using regular taijutsu and his scythe. But plot armor would make it to where Sasuke doesn’t get hit just so he won’t die
@@tmavibes Just because you’re not trying to kill your opponent doesn’t mean fighting them is effortless. Naruto wasn’t trying to kill Sasuke and got his arm blown off. Itachi wasn’t trying to kill Sasuke and died.
You stated Kakazu never used his water style heart because Kakashi destroyed it at the beginning of their fight? That’s actually incorrect. Kakashi destroyed his earth style heart. Kakazu’s main heart is the water style heart since he’s from the waterfall village. He used water clone when engaging Kakashi in taijutsu and he used water wall to block the Kunai Shikamaru threw to save Ino and Choji from being choked. He never used earth style after Kakashi destroyed it in the beginning of the fight
Another interesting video 👍
Hebi sasuke is my favorite version of the character.
Here’s 70% of the video: “KIRIN WINS!!!”
He doesn’t have any knowledge. He’s like IGN don’t know what he’s talking about
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Well yeah kirin is overpowered
@@alessandrolizzio6338. The thing that he has to set up to win, and most of these people aren’t fire users so he would be screwed.
@@ladarriusjennings8914 sasuke is a fire user, with the curse mark he can set it up on his own; he can also make kirin without setups like he did in orchimaru's hideout (it probably consumes a lot of chakra but it si possible)
I noticed for the Sasori section you never included the option of Sasuke using genjutsu at all at any time, which raises an interesting question: would genjutsu even work on Sasori? At this point, the only ‘living’ part of him is the living core, so there’s no targetable sense to trigger a genjutsu theoretically. If we assume Sasori is a perfect puppet minus the core, then his eyes are fake and so there’s nothing to work with. I want to base this idea off the earlier fight with 30% Itachi clone trying to put Kakashi’s clone under genjutsu, but it didnt exactly work. Any thoughts?
well, sasori can still hear, see things and yet has a chakra network, so yeah probably a genjutsu would still work on him
@@gantyline But does it work in the conventional sense of a human? The puppets all seem to share the same construction features, so unless the living core creates a makeshift olfactory structure to use every time it hops to different puppets, the Sharingan shouldn't be able to put it under a genjutsu
@@gantylinedoesnt Sharingan genjustsu need to make eye contact first? even if chakra is the actual connector, eye contact is the prerequisite and as long as Sasori is a puppet there is the possibility that he doesnt see in the sense that a Sharingan could connect with
@@boshlovely2002 think about it, Genjutsu attacks the senses, Sasori still have senses and still have chakra network, the only thing he seems "immune" to is physical pain. Even animals can be put under genjutsu. So for me, yes he would fall for genjutsu.
@@gantyline don't think it works the same way, just like how Kankuro can use his puppets and he can be hiding and fighting someone without direct eye contact I assume Sasori is doing the same thing since everything about him isn't human or flesh only his heart.
this high balling hebi sasuke at the greatest level
To be real from what we saw in the Naruto vs Pain fight I think the main path could tank a Kirin.
Yea. He power scales way above that version of Sasuke. Plus, I don’t think we ever seen how powerful a Kirin is when it hits anybody until sasuke became a god so it’s hard to really say how strong it is.
Yahiko's body + Deva Path = Enough to tank a Kirin.
Problem is that he'd still be on cooldown and raikiri can cut him. Pain loses if Sasuke hits all of them with Kirin at once.
He's not living that long, though.
@@thermophile1695 you're right sasuke can win, but unlikely
Sasuke is clealy stronger than Deidara, but it think that out of 10 fight Deidara might win one or two. He managed to blow one of his wings without Tobito's help. If he had just stayed a little bit higher, and keep blasting Sasuke from above, even without a mining field, he might get Sasuke again. Also, if Deidara decided to use the C4 as his first attack, Sasuke wouldn't know that lightning would be the way to counter it.
2:00 Kisame didn't dodge Bee. He parried his sword. It's diffent. There is no reason to think that Kisame is in the same speed level of Sasuke (even if the databook is not considered, where he is clearly slower then him. And Jiraiya).
4:57 Not only samehada seemed pretty able to absorb chakra from elemental jutsos based on that scene Bee cuts Itachi's fireball, even thoug Samehada didn't like, wich may indicate it can still be damaged by it, but samehada CLEARLY and officially absorbed lightning chakra from two of Bee's thrown sword at him.
10:53 - Don't you remeber that Sasuke got incapacitated by breathing Orochimaru's toxins? He couldn't move. If Orochimaru wanted to kill him there by chewing him to pieces, he would. He lost because he tried to absorb Sasuke.
11:41 - Why would Sasuke deliberately downplay himself in front of Hebi?
It seems to me that it is not that Sasuke tought he would have better chances of killing Itachi than Orochimaru using his body. It's just that he thought he could take Itachi by himself(to the point that he didn't even planned to absord Orochimaru), and of course didn't like the idea of delivering his body to Orochimaru.
Hidan might have a chance against Sasuke if he caught him of guard after he thinking he had won the battle. If he managed to drawn blood from him and drink it, it would problably be over. But if he knew, his abilities yeah, Hidan wouldn't stand a chance.
Kakuzu clearly has a chakra and durability advantage. He could make Sasuke run out of chakra before being able to kill him. If Sasuke managed to use the kirin, however, he would problably be done for.
19:47 Not so simple. Chiyo had the advantage of being expert in puppets, taught Sasori and knew him quite well.
Tobi's help and Sasuke holding back is the reason why the battle was long. Tobi and Deidara admitted Sasuke was too quick. If pursued he could have killed him on the first speed blitz (chapter 357, pages 10 & 15). That's why Deidara went airborne and had Tobi implant landmines he couldn't alone, at least not easily. And Sasuke mentioned that Tobi shouting for Deidara to not activate his bombs, which had already been neutralized by Chidori Senbon, kept him from immediately knowing his weakness (chapter 361 pages 11-15).
Orochimaru would be zapped up by Chidori Stream had Sasuke wanted. He knew Orochimaru didn't have kill intent and used his body transfer ritual to absorb him instead. As for Sasori, Sakura managed to dodge him by deducing his puppets movements by reading their finger movements. Sasori acknowledged this greatly extends the battle (chapter 270, page 10).
No he wasn't
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Tobi's statements about Sasuke are not a great source when he is clealy portraying someone much weaker than he really is, but anyway, what really matters is that Deidara dodged Sasuke's first attack. And then managed to escape again with an explosion. There is no reason to assume that Sasuke wasn’t going seriously fast, when he clearly went for the kill against Tobi and it would be much more reasonable to give a incapacitating blow in Deidara as soon as possible before making more questions to him. After Deidara went airbone and Sasuke realeased the cursed seal, he still wasn’t able to dodge nor fly away. Perhaps he would be much faster on land than flying, and could dodge it wasn’t it for the mines, but it also seemed possible that he simply wasn’t fast enough to escape anyway.
Sasuke seemed in no condition to nor use chidori stream against Orochimaru, nor to have reason to think it would be a better ideia to just be swallowed by him. After all, if thought that was a good ideia, than he should just let Orochimaru swallow him from the beginning. After all, if he indeed was confident from the start that he was capable of reversing Orochimaru’s jutso, it wouldn’t make sense to pass this oportunity trying to kill him. Unless we were to assume that he just was pretending to try to kill Orochimaru so that he wouldn’t get suspicious and ....decide not to try to absorb Sasuke. But to believe that would be quite a strech.
As for Sasori, indeed I didn’t remember Sakura reading his finger movements. That would be much easier for Sasuke indeed. But I also remember clealy Sasori surprised to see the way Sakura moved when he first attacked her, and that what was saving her was Chiyo’s knowledge about his traps and how she guided her.
@@ericLpereira1989 Deidara agreed that Tobi was right. Sasuke could have also boosted his speed with the Curse Mark. He escaped his ambush afterward only because Tobi warned him & Sasuke was mid-air. When using the CM later he allowed himself to be hit as part of his plan to deduce if his lightning could neutralize Deidara's bombs.
He broke free when the snakes surrounded him. Orochimaru would be no different if he was simply trying to eat him. There was nothing to worry about. He expressed no fear. And my point with Sakura wasn't that Sasuke could/would do the same. It's that she was able to read him with inferior eyes & evade with inferior speed.
sasuke stronger than deidara, but deidara might win 1 or 2 fights. kisame parried bee's sword, not dodged. samehada can absorb chakra from elemental jutsu, but can still be damaged. sasuke incapacitated by orochimaru's toxins. sasuke downplayed himself in front of hebi. hidan could have a chance if caught sasuke off guard. kakuzu has chakra advantage, but kirin could defeat him. chiyo had advantage of puppet expertise against sasori.
Sasuke might be able to use kirin instantly if its already raining, which might give him a massive advantage, especially against Pain.
Kirin is one of the best justu's in Naruto and people seem to forget Sasuke can tame lightning.
Not even 30 seconds in and his already capping. That shit was plot armor... Now continue.
sasuke's kirin we saw agaisnt itachi was so powerfull beacouse the 2 of them were shooting fire style at eachoter multiple times and itachi literally had inferno style, normally it wouldnt even be half as powerfull as that
also because it was real lightnig which his yata mirror could not reflect
aaand it depends on the weather :/
And you are saying this based on what?
@@massimilianosantaiti2766 based on the fact that the ammount of clouds is proportionated to the ammount of fire dumbass
@@massimilianosantaiti2766Kirin is natural lightning made by heating the atmosphere, inferno style is stronger and hotter than normal fire style therefore heating the atmosphere more and consequently creating stronger lightning
Kisame, Sasori, Konan and maybe Kakuzo wins aganist Sasuke.
Kisame fought far better aganist Bee, While Sasuke was stomped.
Sasuke Struggle to defeat Deidara, who is weaker than Sasori(according to DEIDARA)
Sasori also kill the strongest Kazekage and destroy a entire country.
Konan vs Obito theres nothing to be said.
Kakuzo fought aganist 10 enemies at same time to be defetead(including naruto, Kakashi, Yamato) and almost win.
Kakuzu in a 1vs1 would be intresting to see + when he also would have that water element in the fight that kakashi instantly destroyed. Also his dimond skin is very strong his def and atk get an insane boost. Not to forget that he is also very smart, when he got you he can easily take out the heart.
He is very underrated
(°---°)? You realize kisame doesn't need to touch lighting style to suck it out or be in touching distance. The reason B literally failed and didn't use lighting is cuz at the start of the fight. Kisame literally neg his cutting power with Samehadas AOE absorbtion. So anything made of chakra in a set range of the sword around the body gets sucked out.... The difference is that if you get hit once by the sword if you don't got monstrously big chakra you basically done. Lol that Sasuke doesn't have as big of a pool regardless he'd be fighting kisame+plus his own chakra lol he gets hard neg sadly by literally most of Kisame jutsu not only that but kisame also physically outstats Sasuke
sasuke cant win cause diedara cause he had to be sommoned and sasuke saying he was stronger than orochimaru is because he was talking about sick orochimaru
So we’re ignoring that Orochimaru could remove Sasuke’s curse seal to buff himself right?
bro orochimaru is not that guy, bro was so dumb he train sasuke without a plan to kill him 💀💀💀💀
@@IIIISaiOro is far above Sasuke. There's tons of proof. Should be common sense.
@@andrepayne4349 U must be slow, u clearly hate sasuke and dislike my messages, atleast your other reply made sense, i just stated orochimaru is brain dead and u say oro above sasuke common sense? You're reading some shizo comments cuz i just roasted orochimarus iq thats it also Sasuke> sick oro
Sasuke lost to Orochimaru because he absorbed him into his body and Itachi won by taking Orochimaru out of Sasuke before he took over his body.
I've a couple of problems with this the pain fight and the kirin and the preta path, first off, YES the preta path can absorb chakra-based ninjutsu, ALL chakra-based ninjutsu so kirin wouldn't work in the first place. Second even if it couldn't Sasuke would have to set up kirin beforehand because you're forgetting that it took Amaterasu from Itachi and Sasuke's own input which still took up considerable chakra, lets not talk about whether it's feasible to do this mid-fight because Manda is getting taken out if more than one summon comes out. You could argue that Sasuke is faster than individual paths but when all 5 of them are jumping him because the preta didn't get launched to target anyone do you really think that tendo won't be up before the setup is even ready or even get the set up started to begin with and even if it did we don't know who long it would take sasuke to set up on his own and we can't count 6-paths Sasuke because he was amped. You're also forgetting that Nagato had been working with tobie who he thought was Madera. Not to mention he never trusted tobie so he'd have done significant research into how the Sharingan works and Madera's feats with it. So Genjustu wouldn't have a high success rate because he'd be prepared for it, and you can't use Jiraya's toad song as an example because he had no prior knowledge.
Either way, the preta path absorbs chakra based ninjutsu, the animal path that would have spawned multiple summons too strong for the weaker snakes and too many for Manda to deal with, he'd have to try to destroy the Naraka path first while avoiding or outright targeting the human path, not to mention the asura path with his cybernetic abilities, the terrain is an open field so there isn't anywhere to hide and is in plain sight, his curse mark could be dealt with by the preta path but it's unknown whether or not he'll turn to stone because of the nature energy, and even if he does if the Naraka path isn't down can be revived, and Sasuke has to deal with all of that in what? 2-4 minutes avoid all the pains and set up kirin while gambling most of his chakra if not a significant amount and even if he doesn't there is no telling if it varies in strength because there is no itachi to help him but that is speculation as well and would he make it in time to destroy all of them before the deva path can reactivate.
Sasuke's intellect and versatility really just fall short because this is a bad matchup, Nagato was an opponent that was engineered for someone who can make multiple body doubles as well (Naruto), Overall Sasuke doesn't have much chance of winning.
Kirin isn't a chakra based Ninjutsu though. Sasuke may be using a bit of chakra to poke the thunderclouds to make them emit natural lightning, and he may be using a bit of chakra to direct that lightning onto his target. The lightning attack itself is just a very angry weather phenomenon.
Aside from that your analysis is solid though.
yeah, it's definitely a tough matchup for Sasuke against Nagato. The Preta Path's ability to absorb chakra-based ninjutsu and the combined strength of all the Paths make it challenging for Sasuke to overcome. Nagato's preparation and knowledge of Sharingan abilities also work against Sasuke's genjutsu attempts. It's a difficult fight to win in such a short time frame.
@@marzipancutter8144Even if he uses Kirin, Pain’s almighty push would still countering it. Tbh, y’all sleeping on Nagato’s intelligence with his paths of pain. A blood lusted pain isn’t about to play around and let Sasuke make all these attempts. Sasuke couldn’t even beat Itachi, what makes y’all think he can beat Pain? Sasuke wank is crazy.
whouldn't pain be an instant win cause of the shared view they got? i mean genjutsu 1 and they r all effected.
@@yannickdesmeytereno lol not at all
We all know he ain’t beating Pain, Tobi, Itachi, Kisame
Sasuke had plot armor.
Not going to tell me the guy who literally blew people up from a molecular level and suddenly it just doesn't work on sasuke
Don't think he wants to hear this, he knows that he is underplaying these characters to prop up his favorite ninja world members: 'Uchihas' & a protagonist. He's a typical fanatic, no reason & facts, this is mostly conjecture
Did you even read the manga? It was an Earth Style jutsu which he countered with Lightning Style.
No novel feats? Like that time Sasori annihilated an entire nation and the statements saying that he wanted to die in his fight with Sakura and grandma
I think Sasuke should have fought more members of The Akatsuki leading up to his battle with Itachi. Sasori would have been cool, Hidan and Kakazu would have been amazing. Pain and Konan would have been 🐐
I think shippuden is an extremely packed show, with akatsuki members making their entry and exit and the perfect time, and their abilities are revealed as a firs time experience surprise to the viewers, so it would be very difficult to write more sasuke battles.
Though 1 great timing would be just before the start of shippuden, and then show the fight as a flashback?
I'm glad he only fought Deidara and Itachi, though personally I would have preferred if Naruto fought Deidara instead since Deidara swapped himself with a clay clone while Naruto went one tail when they first met.
agreed, seeing Sasuke fight more members of the Akatsuki would have been epic.
Sasori would get negged by sasuke in 1 sec, boring fight trust
All I know is sasori is getting dog walked against sasuke he is 100% a perfect counter to sasori
Say you are a Sasuke fan without saying it
Realistically if Kakuzu gets close range he would literally just break Sasuke’s arm off. He casually blocked a 2 tails palm strike. Edo tensei is literally just a nerf so that isn’t too much of an anti feat. I do agree lightning style is going to be the biggest issue but what is Kakuzu just uses false darkness which required two Raikiri’s (Chidori’s) to block. I concede that Genjutsu would be a problem but in terms of actual scaling I’d say Kakuzu beats Hebi Sasuke high diff.
He can just dodge false light, Kakashi blitzed in front of the jutsu after tanking Atsugai to protect Shikamaru Choji and Ino. Also, Kakuzu never breaks Kakashi's arm and Shikamaru was able to dodge him when Kakuzu caught him from behind
Except Kakashi is a weaker raiton user than Sasuke.
I appreciate the response and I understand your point about him never showing the potential to cause damage in the fight. However I do maintain that Kakuzu wasn’t going all out. Now, I really dislike this argument, I HATE it but it seems to be the truth as Kakuzu really seemed to just be messing around with everyone. Besides Choji does state Kakuzu is faster than everyone there. Personally if Sasuke wins it’s either with a genjutsu or Kirin. Also I’d say that Shikimaru being faster than Kakuzu is kinda inconsistent because Kakuzu was able to beat Yugito who’s able to tag KCM 1 Naruto in a nerfed Edo Tensei variant. If what you say is true that means that either Yugito is trash or Shikimaru apparently with no speed scaling scales above her.
Sorry for the length
@@JustGoldy77Naruto scale its just dumb, thats it
Yeah.. yeah you’re right.. I’m NOT saying Hebi Sasuke > Yugito though
Also, bro. Orochimaru was toying with 4 tails Naruto with his body vessel almost in its limit and with his arms sealed 💀 imagine a younger version of Orochimaru which was probably at his prime
Sasuke dodged v1 clocked Bee while Kisame reacted to a v2 BM Bee, so Kisame is way faster than him.
P.S: Kakuzu that was blitzed by Naruto was almost chakra drained, against Sasuke would be different.
Sasuke against Pain he couldn't win a single fight.
Hebi Sasuke has to have the perfect atmosphere to spam a kirin, even if he could spam in that situation he couldn't spam a kirin for every paths of Pain.
And I don't think hebi Sasuke is stronger than taka Sasuke that has amaterasu and susano'o, and better precognition by ms.
Kisame stomps hebi sasuke, he literally pit up a fight against 7 gates guy, severely wounded and without samehada
Pain at rain village is just too op for anybody expect for obito to deal with
Obito has no chance regardless
nah, there are other strong ninjas who could potentially handle Pain, like Naruto or Sasuke. It's all about strategy and finding weaknesses.
@@Suto_KoAny version of Naruto or Sasuke below their KCM 2 and EMS selves stand no chance against Rain Village Pain. They have no Intel and no knowledge of environment. Pain literally knows every street of that village. He can literally put a whole show in front of Naruto or Sasuke only to crawl out of a pipe and shinra Tensei him to oblivion.
true, Rain Village Pain's knowledge of the environment and abilities like Shinra Tensei could give him an advantage against Naruto or Sasuke without their KCM 2 and EMS forms.@@SoulblazewarriorOfCairnlands
My man underestimating konan, we know that konan has her paper coated to stop the fire disadvantage and her paper is enhanced with chakra
tbh not even MS Sasuke would defeat Pain
EMS wouldn't either, only rinnegan.
@@andrepayne4349 EMS shit on him lol.
He has far better feat and portrayal.
@@carlososler7024 You're one of those people that thinks he gets buffs from EMS that were never stated in the story.
@@andrepayne4349 He certainly does since he can keep up with KCM Naruto easily and can make legged Susanoo to fight Juubito.
@@andrepayne4349 Nonetheless the simple fact he can fight Juubito and not getting instantly one shoted alongside keep up with Naruto is enough to put him above Pain or Nagato lol.
Sasuke mission against itachi: kill your enemy
Itachi: "do you want the small list or big list"
All of this is assuming it’s not written by Kishimoto and Sasuke doesn’t avoid using half of his abilities for no reason 🙃
Literally...Like I had a paragraph explaining why and how kishimoto nerfed sasuke in the itachi fight, I'll try to restate them..
-Sasuke didn't just use kirin on the Hideout instead of meeting itachi
-Sasuke barley used his sword in taijutsu vs blind itachi??
-Sasuke did not use curse mark once during taijutsu and didn't take advantage of curse mark 2 being so broken like he did vs Deidara
-Didnt close the gap while fighting and wasted all his chakra being on the offensive instead of taking advantage of the fact that itachis jutsus weren't good close range and how again itachi was sick..
-When he uses kirin and sees itachis body on the ground he doesn't throw a kunai on his skull, he just watches itachi get up like an idiot
-When itachi gets Susano sasuke just stands afk and lets itachi come instead of running back and waiting for itachis stamina to die
This fight sasuke, vs sasuke early Shippuden and diedara fight showcased Kishimoto didn't know how to handle sasuke
More like, hopefully, it's not the same editor from Shippuden. Editors have more say in a series than the actual writers.
Sasuke was not nerfed. Itachi outclasses Sasuke in taijutsu, & SASUKE DIDNT HAVE A MANGEKYOU GOOFBALL!!!. Gtfo Itachi didn’t wanna kill him. ITACHI WAS NERFED NOT SASUKE
@@tmavibes why u raging bro 💀💀
@@IIIISaihonestly I wouldn’t blame him there alot of idiotic sssuke fan who think sasuke could beat itachi at the time if he was serious if he was susanoo totsuka blade off rip and kill itachi but people don’t understand that
Why do people believe sharigan can put rinnegan into gen, it's been stated to be highly resistant to sharigan gen. Only really being weak against sound gen.
Kakashi put Rinnegan Obito under genjutsu. The Rinnegan does not grant genjutsu immunity
@@DygoKnight plot whole.
Why didn't sasuke put madara under gen.
@@DygoKnight Those were Nagato's eyes and Obito was struggling to even use one, not to mention he barely used it, he also had just 1 and lastly it's likely a plot hole
@@DygoKnightam i blind or does obito not have duo rinnegan?
You are biased
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed