To make an objective off-road comparison video, measure the following: - Center clearance between the left and right wheels - Center clearance between the front and back wheels - Approach/exit angles at the center of the vehicle - Approach/exit angles at the center of a front and back tire - Multiple traction control tests on rollers isolating one wheel with traction and 3 free-spinning, front vs. back tires on rollers, and left vs. right tires on rollers. - Traction control test on very steep hill climb and descent on packed dirt, loose dirt/gravel, and mud. (Tested with new stock tires and then mounted with all the same tire as a pass/fail test. Test with traction control on then off. Good time to try the variable traction control knob for ice/sand/gravel/mud to see if it does anything.) - Flex/attrition - Turn radius - Reliability (this can be rather complicated, but need historical data on vehicle including what parts break the most.) - Availability/cost of replacement parts with labor rate or shop rate - Undercarriage protection from impacts - Horsepower/torque - 1/4 mile and 0-60 mph acceleration test - 60-0 and 100-0 mph braking on wet then dry asphalt and brake fade test - Roll potential measuring center of gravity - MPG and tank size - Random off-road hill test or course for good measure - Easiness to customize Far too much of TFL Car videos are subjective observations from questionable hosts while driving at some random location. The guys seem likable enough, but usually don't produce much, if any, usable or new information - hence the "dislike ratio" on many of their UA-cam videos. Make a video with all or most of the above stats, then direct people to make further side-by-side comparisons by going to your website.
Ahhhhh! So frustrating. These guys always do this. They start off with an interesting comparison and right before it actually starts they come up with some reason to quit. I get that its not their cars. So stop borrowing cars you can't actually test! The title should be " two guys driving down a gravel driveway quoting specs" Lol.
+traveltrove - Nothing new. These Subaru haters, doing their traps again. Thay always manage to make any Subaru seem much less capable that it really is. All their videos reveal this same shifty interest. Lets have a look to a little of not maked-up reality: ua-cam.com/video/cBaUCHiJxxs/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/WuG1yivsXGc/v-deo.html
Great video on 2 excellent semi-off road vehicles. I own an 09 Outback and can tell you I've had it on much worse roads. Off road has so many differing connotations it's hard to lump it all into a simple category. The high performance models from Mitsubishi and Subaru that are used for road rally don't have as much ground clearance as the 2 tested, but at 100+mph, you wouldn't want to hit boulders and ruts. In the same instance, you wouldn't take a stock Jeep rock climbing.
I have -08 Outback, I've quite literally climbed a mountain on an ATV mud track with that car, plus I've driven on un-plowed roads with snow up to the lights uphill, no problem.
Sorry to burst the bubble but both cars can't really go into the Colorado back country. Their approach and departure angles are designed for on road driving, I suppose both cars could take on the Colorado gnarly stuff but both would quickly tear off their front and back chin and butt.
Only yesterday I had a bad accident in an Outback. Could not avoid a fox, which smashed into the front end and ruptured the brake fluid pipes. So... no brakes, at a speed of 90 mph. To avoid crashing, I had to go green - into the outback. With VERY careful driving, I managed to cross a deep ditch without overturning, broke through a fence and ended up in a muddy field. Fire brigade was unable to get it out and got bogged, so I just drove it back to the road on its own four wheels...
Shame you didnt put them to the test more. Any on road car with a bit of clearance could of driven on those dirt roads. I would hardly call it an off road test.
I think the outlander is more off-road capable than the Subaru and with its locking differentials it can go just about anywhere, although i will say one advantage the Subaru has on the Mitsu is that it offers a lot more power, better performance, and suspension for smoother and quiet ride. I'll go with the Outlander, due to its aggressive styling and it looks more spacious.
The Outlander Centre Diff is over rated because it's a Limited Slip Diff. If you have two wheels spinning helplessly, it can't do anything. I've tried. The Subaru X-Mode is actually better. And there's lots of aftermarket locking rear diffs for various Subbies
I'm on my second Subaru Outback. I had an '01 and now an '06 with Nokian WRG2 winter tires. It will go anywhere I want to go. I drive 32 miles one way, to work, along snowy Ohio roads. I wanted something that would get me where I want to go, no matter what, and the Subaru does the trick. I'll be looking at another Outback when this one gets more miles and age on it. At 125k miles, it needs a catalytic converter, a brake job, and it's due for a timing belt replacement. Other than that, I haven't had to do anything but brakes, wiper blades, and headlights. The only other vehicle I would like to have is a 4X4 pickup.
I have a Legacy wagon and a Ford Ranger pick up. The Ranger has the ground clearance and load carrying ability but for pure traction on any surface the Subaru is way better. Snow, ice, wet tarmac, gravel, even mud the Subaru wins with regular Hankook winter tyres vs Goodrich All Terrain on the Ranger. The Ranger's 4x4 system is pretty crude in reality, it struggles to make tight turns and can't go above 55/60mph in 4x4 mode. Going down hill on snow and ice is pretty scary. The Subaru clims better amd decends way more safely. The Ranger goes over rocks and ruts and carrys logs better but that's about it.
All you idiots saying that isn't off road, they borrowed the cars, sure you can take your car through those roads, but when it isn't your car it is a totally different story! Awesome vid thanks for making it.
I really think that both cars could have made it up all the way to the top of the trail pretty easily but chances are with so so approach and departure angles we would have done some damage to a couple of cars that did not belong to us.
The outlander is better it did good off roading you said but it was uncomftroble and you said the subaru is more comftroble. But Its not as good off roading I think the outlander is better I own an 07 outlander and it dose preaty good on snow and on rocks plus it has nice traction control amd it bakes good in snow and ice roads even wen the brakes are pretty worn down
of course the sport suspension GT outlander would feel rougher, it's designed for pavement performance, had they taken a consumers model up there, subaru wouldn't keep up
don't show any shortcomings of the Subaru on a hill climb, it might get broken up there. great review, you real know how to test these vehicles to their limits and portray them on an unbiased level playing field.
You guys have been doing this long enough to know that your viewers are more interested in hearing the cars than some stupid soundtrack. If I want music I will watch or listen to my favorite music. When I am watching these videos, I really would rather hear the engine noise.
Please note that we have ZERO interest in your opinion if you can't express it without being a total comment troll. All mean spirited comments will be deleted..so don't even bother.
I’ve owned both of these cars and they are both great, the Suby did have a better build particularly on the interior but I wouldn’t say it was any more solid than the Misti. Underneath they are fairly similar cars typical well built Japanese cars. The Misti is easier to work on parts are cheaper and the engine is probably more bulletproof. The Misti also has real 6 speed auto very nice! The Suby has a Cvt which is okay just keep it serviced properly. Both performed well on tricky boat ramps which is my main use for awd. The Suby is nicer on the road and quieter but the Misti does well enough. Being able to put the Misti into 2wd is nice for freeway driving. I put a pair of Superpro front control on the Misti which sharpened up the handling I’m not sure if they are available for the Suby. And finally there are nice 10 inch android stereos available for the Misti from Aliexpress which is a nice upgrade. Subies particularly Outback’s have been difficult to upgrade but that may have changed. To my mind these are the only 2 SUVs you would consider for awd use most of the others only actuate awd when there’s slip all too late I think. Nice review guys keep up the good work!
I am pretty sure it isn't a locking diff or even limited slip on the Mistubishi, (might have LSD on the front) its a electronic locking coupling that engages the rear wheels and brakes control the rest. Jeeps Freedom drive 2(and 1 but no lock or low) use this as well and from what I can find it appears to be the exact same system.
Just want to point out to anyone reading this that all Subaru's have auto locking differentials. Research their AWD system and you will see why it's so good. I own a 2006 outback and have got myself in offroad "trouble" many times and it has always made it out. The alignment is still straight too!! lol.
@BigBootieJohn Subaru does not have side to side locker. The GT Outlander has active front differential, which means that it also controls side to side power. Most Subaru 4wd systems don't do this. Though subaru 4wd systems have passive wheels spin limiters, like LSD and Viscous things on axles, but Subaru does not use active differential in any model at axle. Active differential can lock up to 100% when needed, and it does it automatically.
@offfiman Im not saying that moving power from side to side is a bad thing, but active diffs do it in a way thats optimized for on road use, not off road use. For example, the system in the X6 takes forever to stop wheel-slip compared to land rover's, Jeep's and toyota's brake based traction control system. And no, jeeps system can't give you a 100% lock between the axles.
Perhaps a better title/description.... "2 guys drive to a trail head, express that they know almost nothing about how their vehicle works, and decide to go home". Seriously, WTF was the point of this?!? Would have at least carried a little merit if the few points they did make actually made sense.... All I got from this is that these guys are clueless.
@rangerover06sc The Outlander in that video is normal Outlander with AWC. It doesn't have active diffs, it has only bad traction control. But the Outlander in this video where we are commenting is GT version, which has S-AWC, Super All Wheel Control. Featuring Active Center and Active Front differentials. I have posted you already one video of the Outlander in this topic, which shows the differences between those 2 systems. There is first 2 attempts with normal AWC outlander, and after that one
I own an outback and we've taken it places no car should go. I'm betting the Subaru would have done fine on that last bit past the Scout. The only concern is how tough are your tires? In the Subaru if you rip a tire, you have to replace all four unless they are very new w/ minimal wear. If you rip a tire in the Outlander, is it the same deal?
wait... use the same year... I am at 1:04 watching the year, make and model and must say how is this a fair fight? Right now I am going with the outback. Bigger motor 1 year newer... I will reply after the video
Well I won't be watching any of their videos again. What did we learn? Outlander has a locking diff, which diff locks? Does the Subaru have a comparable feature available? Waste of time.
You'll have to level the playing field in this competition by having both cars ware the same tires. Tires make such a difference, it's the only way to be sure.
I had a legacy for four years and now I got the 2017 Outlander with S-AWC. I personally think the Outlander is better idea for people like who only drive light off road once or twice a year and the rest using in street pavement. Because in the street I only need two wheel drive and off roading the snow and lock mode does the same thing like Subaru.
@454canadian I am not sure that is true, I thought the Subaru could move power left and right also, using brake application on the slipping wheel to move power to the other side? I am not bashing the Mitsu here. The locking ability in his terrain is better, and I am no fan of the brake style anti slip.. It tends to be slow in reacting. I saw a slipping ramp test where they checked if 100% of power could move to any wheel on a several model cars the Subaru did make it up with power to 1 wheel.
@offfiman The thing is, off road your anti-slip system needs to kick in alot quicker, and in different circumstances, then it would if it where designed for high performance on road driving. because their isn't really g forces when your crawl over things, this type of system is going to have alot more difficulty sensing wheelslip and detecting where to send the torque. Basically active diffs and designed to send all the power to one wheel, then send torque to the other wheel if that wheel slips
@Nellybui you simply do not understand how AYC S-AWC and ACD works do you? Yes they are electronically managed but that is what makes it better. It makes the car more power efficient reducing transmission losses by throwing out power to whichever wheel that requires it. You cannot do that with manual AWD systems. This is the age of technology and if you cant adapt to changes you will Disappear in the dark!
I hate to break it to ya, but you guys should've gone further. As for the Subaru having no locking diff, just turn VDC on. Also, the 3.6R has Subaru's intellegent VTM-4 electronic AWD system so that it will transfer torque to the wheels with more traction where needed. However, I must commend Mitsubishi for offering a locking differential. I'd much prefer the Outback off-road. It offers truck-like capability with car-like characteristics. And I could get one with a proper manual transmission!
@rangerover06sc The point of moving power from side to side, isn't of course irrelevant at all. For example, Range Rover uses traction control this way. When tire slips, it applies brakes, to move the power on opposite side. Now, active differential moves the power from side to side already in the diff, but it also has other triggers than ABS sensors. It can start doing it already when you press throttle, or when you steer, or when senses G-forces to direction or another.
i drive my outlander off road. after 30MPH on pure off road, its limit is reached. anymore than it, it will break. However, i have a 2003 outlander, 4 cylinder, FWD.
The evo vs sti comparison for people with kids. They were even wearing red and blue, the colors of their rallycar cousins. I guess the comparison doesnt stop with the lancer and sti
@Cloudstrife1188 I don't talk about the suspension, I talk about the transmission. The Xdrive of BMW has independent rear wheels and S-AWC of Mitsubishi has independent front wheels. For me the S-AWC is the best 4WD system ever, it beat the 5 Guiness Worlds Records !
I've owned 5 Subaru's and 2 Mitsubishi and I will NEVER own another Mits ever! Nothing but problems and headaches and my Subs just run & run with over 800K between them and still going strong, I love how nimble they are!
Subaru automatics use a hydraulic transfer clutch which is fully capable of locking transfer front/rear. The is no "center differential" in a conventional sense. Subaru also has traction control, with a setting FOR OFFROADING, that will brake spinning wheels to transfer power side to side at each axle.....while still letting you have control of the engine throttle. The mitsu's "locking diff" doesn't give it any advantage when you are talking Autos. Manual subarus have a Limited Slip center
@ishbush if that's like your drive... just get a scooby imprezza and guard the bottom, doesn't even have to be the turbo version - if you go at least 20mph you wont get stuck.
Reply to Wildman- You are way behind the times with that comment; that may have been the case 20 years ago, but not today. I've owned an Outback (2007) from 55,000 ks to now at 145,000. Not so much as a light bulb has needed changing. Great car all round.
Is there a video which will show the abilities of the outlander in a diagonal situation - such as the subaru was at 3:22 (so i can see if the front and rear diffs are strong enough to throw power to the wheels on the ground)?
Well, i took my Outlander on some 'serious' tracks, and ended up putting a nice dent in the petrol tank! lol....i replace it (they cheap!) and then think about puttin 'bash' Plates underneath for added protection!!! I bought it for what it was made for, the bush! thanx for the review dudes! (thumbs up!) ...hehehe...wait to ya see my review ;) Cheers!
@gadgetguy4000 And yes, the Symmetrical AWD is better than the S-AWC (not saying the S-AWC is bad, it's a good system too). The fact is that the Subaru Symmetrical AWD is more about mechanics, when the Mitsubishi S-AWC is more about electronics. In that sense we can say the S-AWC is "more advanced", but it doesn't mean it's better. Because the Symmetrical AWD (mechanics) coupled with DCCD (electronical gestion) is just awesome. It's, I think, the best AWD system actually.
After all these years of making cars with good grip, I have wished Subaru would make something like the forrester but even better clearance, and their own locker-type system to give us something that could survive the rubicon but get mileage far better than a jeep. I know the hardware will increase weight, but I say Subaru (or Mitsu) could do it. I had an'83 wagon that had dual range FWD and was easily as good as the new subies off road. Seriously. And I drove Pajeros in Saudi and they rocked.
@rangerover06sc Active diff can operate way quicker than traction control ever could. Because in road use, you exactly need far more speed than in offroad use for the operation of the traction device. And active diff uses many more sensors than traction control, that's why it can already start moving the power to opposite side, before any slip occurs. Jeep's Quadra Drive 2, is far quicker than the traction control based Quadra Trac 2. But Jeep discontinued the Quadra Drive 2, because it's
@rangerover06sc attempt with the S-AWC Outlander and Active Diffs. In the Active diff outlander, wheels don't spin at all! Not at all simply! Here's the video once again, see the 2 first attempts are with normal 4wd, and the third is with S-AWC. watch?v=tUZhujaUhTg No slip occurs at all in the active diff outlander. While the traction control based 2 first Outlanders are slipping the tires like crazy.
@UpYersMan these things are capable...i own an 01 4 banger and its got plenty of push to go through some good stuff. it may not be fast but they can easily go in deep mud. the only thing stopping them is ground clearance. and its pretty good for a crossover
Subarus are way better because they are built for off roading even in stock suspension. And they can tow objects twice or three times the weight out of nasty situations.
I have an 03 outlander fwd. It sucks ass at 140 HP. No power, not built for any type of off roading. But it does look nice and is very comfortable. The newer outlanders not only have more power but are also bigger. So yeah they look nice.
@rangerover06sc You are not getting the point of active diff, in offroad use. Active diff is controlled electronically, it can be programmed to work like you want. And it can operate far quicker and more efficiently than traction control. And , you are wrong in the locking degree too. When the clutches of active diff, are fully operating to move the torque on other side, it's equivalent to having the diff 100% locked. No torque can escape by slipping from the opposite side. And
@christophermok I havent had one problem in the 5 years i have had it. Its a stick shift, and i push that car to the max. I treat it like a full on sports car, and off road car. Transmission is totally fine, sounds fine, if you have a chance to get a Subaru Outback, i HIGHLY suggest it. its amazing
@romanmicagearguy That's understandable, they're not true off-roaders but they can hold their own against those full truck-frame trucks (stock anyways XD). As for the front bumpers, it seems both Mitsubishi and Subaru made attempts to make it so that the bumpers doesn't scrap off. But I do understand they're no heavy-duty truck bumpers.
@cagednm69 I think you're the one that dunno what you're talkin about. I do know how it works...but do you know how does the Subaru transmission work? I don't think so. Because it has an electronical management too (called DCCD). Maybe a little less evolved that the S-AWC, but it works perfectly. The fact that it has an awesome mechanical transmission coupled with a very good electronial management makes it one of the best AWD system.
@offfiman Unless you have axle lockers you will never get a true 100% lock. Also Active diffs are designed for on road agility, not off road capibility. When your off roading you want a system that quickly pervents wheel slip. the ability to increase the torque going to the outside wheel is irelevent in conditions like these. Although, thanks to a locking center differential, the Outlander has the advantage here, seeing how each axle will recive 50% of the torque, when locked.
@rangerover06sc the active diff can also remain it's locking position for awhile. Or be already limiting the slip before proper slip occurs. Search for Jeep Quadra Drive 2 in the previous Grand Cherokee generation, and you see how fantastic active diffs can be in offroad use. Jeeps diffs remain like 100% locked for certain amount of time, after the tires have lost grip too bad. Also, look this video from Outlander, it also shows how the active diffs work, see no slip at all. watch?v=tUZhujaUhTg
They most likely both would've made it. It's sad that they didn't get down, find the toe points, and try it. It would've been good to have a truck or Jeep around in case they got in trouble, but really as long as they didn't go too fast the risk should've been negligible.
@rangerover06sc You are still wrong. Jeep Quadra Drive 2 uses Eaton ELSD differentials to move the torque, and I said it is EQUIVALENT for 100% lock, like it is. Jeep also has Quadra Trac systems on their vehicles, and Quadra Track uses traction control like Land Rovers do. In this video you see Quadra Track 2 for comparison: watch?v=kd8zTdo_MJM . Quadra TRAC and Quadra DRIVE are 2 totally different kind of systems.
Really you should learn all about your Subaru before you drive it. The Subaru Outback has a button to disable the traction control system which locks out the differential system and does the same as the Mitsu locking mech.
Hey guys i have a forester automatic and i have done serious sand duning with it lowered my tires to 12 psi and did heavy off roading suspension on subaru is just superior
@rangerover06sc From the video you see, the diff locks 100% for preset time after the first slip occurs. You can see, that the wheels don't spin at all even 2 of the tires is in air. Land Rovers Traction Control would be going crazy there, and operating all the time to make the vehicle go further. But it would also get the job done. But nowhere this efficiently.
They really stopped because the road got "gnarly" and there was a broken down Scout on the side of the road?! The road was a little rutty and Scouts were only produced from 1971 until 1980 so it would have been between 30 and 39 years old when this was posted in 2010. I would take my Legacy on that road and just try to stay out of the ruts.
i'm trying to look for a car to replace my jeep (can't afford the gas anymore) and i'm looking at getting an outback, i watched this video to see how they do off roading and that road they took those cars on looks like my drive way, may have to stick with the jeep after all
@rangerover06sc Again, it's all about the programming of the active diff, just like with traction control as well. Obviously, BMW have programmed their active diff to not work off-road. But if you watched the video, of the Outlander doing the icy hill, you realized, that the active diff can be very quick. All active diffs are not same, nowhere near same. There is many ways to have an active diff. So I don't say anything about BMW diffs. And yes, Jeeps diffs offer traction equivalent to 100% lock
To make an objective off-road comparison video, measure the following:
- Center clearance between the left and right wheels
- Center clearance between the front and back wheels
- Approach/exit angles at the center of the vehicle
- Approach/exit angles at the center of a front and back tire
- Multiple traction control tests on rollers isolating one wheel with traction and 3 free-spinning, front vs. back tires on rollers, and left vs. right tires on rollers.
- Traction control test on very steep hill climb and descent on packed dirt, loose dirt/gravel, and mud. (Tested with new stock tires and then mounted with all the same tire as a pass/fail test. Test with traction control on then off. Good time to try the variable traction control knob for ice/sand/gravel/mud to see if it does anything.)
- Flex/attrition
- Turn radius
- Reliability (this can be rather complicated, but need historical data on vehicle including what parts break the most.)
- Availability/cost of replacement parts with labor rate or shop rate
- Undercarriage protection from impacts
- Horsepower/torque
- 1/4 mile and 0-60 mph acceleration test
- 60-0 and 100-0 mph braking on wet then dry asphalt and brake fade test
- Roll potential measuring center of gravity
- MPG and tank size
- Random off-road hill test or course for good measure
- Easiness to customize
Far too much of TFL Car videos are subjective observations from questionable hosts while driving at some random location. The guys seem likable enough, but usually don't produce much, if any, usable or new information - hence the "dislike ratio" on many of their UA-cam videos. Make a video with all or most of the above stats, then direct people to make further side-by-side comparisons by going to your website.
Start your own channel on this. Ypu actually get and other watchng your videos will apreciate that. That's where you get your subcriptions from.
Ahhhhh! So frustrating. These guys always do this. They start off with an interesting comparison and right before it actually starts they come up with some reason to quit. I get that its not their cars. So stop borrowing cars you can't actually test! The title should be " two guys driving down a gravel driveway quoting specs" Lol.
exactly, how about call it a teaser, instead of a 'review', oh I know then no one will wanna watch that shit...
эхо гольф yes they should call the video" Big mouth vs Very big mouth talking about offroad"
very true mate
+traveltrove - Nothing new. These Subaru haters, doing their traps again. Thay always manage to make any Subaru seem much less capable that it really is. All their videos reveal this same shifty interest. Lets have a look to a little of not maked-up reality:
ua-cam.com/video/cBaUCHiJxxs/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/WuG1yivsXGc/v-deo.html
Those Colorado mountain offroads are just as "bad" as basic cottage roads in Finland and this guy has 4wd lock on...come on.
I'm guessing the Subaru fanboy in the video has never heard of Mitsubishi's advanced All Wheel Control system....
Great video on 2 excellent semi-off road vehicles.
I own an 09 Outback and can tell you I've had it on much worse roads.
Off road has so many differing connotations it's hard to lump it all into a simple category.
The high performance models from Mitsubishi and Subaru that are used for road rally don't have as much ground clearance as the 2 tested, but at 100+mph, you wouldn't want to hit boulders and ruts.
In the same instance, you wouldn't take a stock Jeep rock climbing.
That was a wimpy 4X4 road, it looked like a Honda Civic would make it.
@Sykarus I'd say the Outback has a much smoother street ride. The Mitsubishi is sports car firm.
I have -08 Outback, I've quite literally climbed a mountain on an ATV mud track with that car, plus I've driven on un-plowed roads with snow up to the lights uphill, no problem.
My Outlander is faster and will own any Outback in the offroad country any day
These are all basic loops from Garageband. A little surprised...
Sorry to burst the bubble but both cars can't really go into the Colorado back country. Their approach and departure angles are designed for on road driving, I suppose both cars could take on the Colorado gnarly stuff but both would quickly tear off their front and back chin and butt.
Only yesterday I had a bad accident in an Outback. Could not avoid a fox, which smashed into the front end and ruptured the brake fluid pipes. So... no brakes, at a speed of 90 mph. To avoid crashing, I had to go green - into the outback. With VERY careful driving, I managed to cross a deep ditch without overturning, broke through a fence and ended up in a muddy field. Fire brigade was unable to get it out and got bogged, so I just drove it back to the road on its own four wheels...
Shame you didnt put them to the test more. Any on road car with a bit of clearance could of driven on those dirt roads. I would hardly call it an off road test.
I think the outlander is more off-road capable than the Subaru and with its locking differentials it can go just about anywhere, although i will say one advantage the Subaru has on the Mitsu is that it offers a lot more power, better performance, and suspension for smoother and quiet ride. I'll go with the Outlander, due to its aggressive styling and it looks more spacious.
The Outlander Centre Diff is over rated because it's a Limited Slip Diff.
If you have two wheels spinning helplessly, it can't do anything. I've tried. The Subaru X-Mode is actually better.
And there's lots of aftermarket locking rear diffs for various Subbies
i didnt see any terrain badest rewiev ever, even a fwd car could go up this hill
Subarus rule!!!!! They can go anywhere
except a little tiny bump
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+Wyatt Parsons - Sure?
ua-cam.com/video/cBaUCHiJxxs/v-deo.html
No it is Mitsubishi
I like the Mitsubishi
Kevin Perry I got the same one
hi i have a mitsubishi 2011 awd ican go off road anywhere what in the hell are you guys are talking about
I'm on my second Subaru Outback. I had an '01 and now an '06 with Nokian WRG2 winter tires. It will go anywhere I want to go. I drive 32 miles one way, to work, along snowy Ohio roads. I wanted something that would get me where I want to go, no matter what, and the Subaru does the trick. I'll be looking at another Outback when this one gets more miles and age on it. At 125k miles, it needs a catalytic converter, a brake job, and it's due for a timing belt replacement. Other than that, I haven't had to do anything but brakes, wiper blades, and headlights. The only other vehicle I would like to have is a 4X4 pickup.
I have a Legacy wagon and a Ford Ranger pick up. The Ranger has the ground clearance and load carrying ability but for pure traction on any surface the Subaru is way better. Snow, ice, wet tarmac, gravel, even mud the Subaru wins with regular Hankook winter tyres vs Goodrich All Terrain on the Ranger. The Ranger's 4x4 system is pretty crude in reality, it struggles to make tight turns and can't go above 55/60mph in 4x4 mode. Going down hill on snow and ice is pretty scary. The Subaru clims better amd decends way more safely. The Ranger goes over rocks and ruts and carrys logs better but that's about it.
All you idiots saying that isn't off road, they borrowed the cars, sure you can take your car through those roads, but when it isn't your car it is a totally different story! Awesome vid thanks for making it.
I agree because if they dent it they will have to pay for it.
I really think that both cars could have made it up all the way to the top of the trail pretty easily but chances are with so so approach and departure angles we would have done some damage to a couple of cars that did not belong to us.
The outlander is better it did good off roading you said but it was uncomftroble and you said the subaru is more comftroble. But Its not as good off roading I think the outlander is better I own an 07 outlander and it dose preaty good on snow and on rocks plus it has nice traction control amd it bakes good in snow and ice roads even wen the brakes are pretty worn down
True
of course the sport suspension GT outlander would feel rougher, it's designed for pavement performance, had they taken a consumers model up there, subaru wouldn't keep up
don't show any shortcomings of the Subaru on a hill climb, it might get broken up there. great review, you real know how to test these vehicles to their limits and portray them on an unbiased level playing field.
You guys have been doing this long enough to know that your viewers are more interested in hearing the cars than some stupid soundtrack. If I want music I will watch or listen to my favorite music. When I am watching these videos, I really would rather hear the engine noise.
Please note that we have ZERO interest in your opinion if you can't express it without being a total comment troll. All mean spirited comments will be deleted..so don't even bother.
I’ve owned both of these cars and they are both great, the Suby did have a better build particularly on the interior but I wouldn’t say it was any more solid than the Misti. Underneath they are fairly similar cars typical well built Japanese cars. The Misti is easier to work on parts are cheaper and the engine is probably more bulletproof. The Misti also has real 6 speed auto very nice! The Suby has a Cvt which is okay just keep it serviced properly. Both performed well on tricky boat ramps which is my main use for awd. The Suby is nicer on the road and quieter but the Misti does well enough. Being able to put the Misti into 2wd is nice for freeway driving. I put a pair of Superpro front control on the Misti which sharpened up the handling I’m not sure if they are available for the Suby. And finally there are nice 10 inch android stereos available for the Misti from Aliexpress which is a nice upgrade. Subies particularly Outback’s have been difficult to upgrade but that may have changed. To my mind these are the only 2 SUVs you would consider for awd use most of the others only actuate awd when there’s slip all too late I think. Nice review guys keep up the good work!
I am pretty sure it isn't a locking diff or even limited slip on the Mistubishi, (might have LSD on the front) its a electronic locking coupling that engages the rear wheels and brakes control the rest. Jeeps Freedom drive 2(and 1 but no lock or low) use this as well and from what I can find it appears to be the exact same system.
T. Rumple it is
Just want to point out to anyone reading this that all Subaru's have auto locking differentials. Research their AWD system and you will see why it's so good. I own a 2006 outback and have got myself in offroad "trouble" many times and it has always made it out. The alignment is still straight too!! lol.
@BigBootieJohn Subaru does not have side to side locker. The GT Outlander has active front differential, which means that it also controls side to side power. Most Subaru 4wd systems don't do this. Though subaru 4wd systems have passive wheels spin limiters, like LSD and Viscous things on axles, but Subaru does not use active differential in any model at axle. Active differential can lock up to 100% when needed, and it does it automatically.
Have you considered doing a full review of the Outlander rather than the Outlander Sport? I'd be really interested in seeing that!
@offfiman Im not saying that moving power from side to side is a bad thing, but active diffs do it in a way thats optimized for on road use, not off road use. For example, the system in the X6 takes forever to stop wheel-slip compared to land rover's, Jeep's and toyota's brake based traction control system. And no, jeeps system can't give you a 100% lock between the axles.
Perhaps a better title/description.... "2 guys drive to a trail head, express that they know almost nothing about how their vehicle works, and decide to go home". Seriously, WTF was the point of this?!? Would have at least carried a little merit if the few points they did make actually made sense.... All I got from this is that these guys are clueless.
@Sykarus also the Subaru has one of the best all-wheel drives on the market i would go for the Subaru
Does that outlander have a low range box, no, bollocks test UK spec ones come with low ratio boxes
@rangerover06sc The Outlander in that video is normal Outlander with AWC. It doesn't have active diffs, it has only bad traction control. But the Outlander in this video where we are commenting is GT version, which has S-AWC, Super All Wheel Control. Featuring Active Center and Active Front differentials. I have posted you already one video of the Outlander in this topic, which shows the differences between those 2 systems. There is first 2 attempts with normal AWC outlander, and after that one
@RyanRjStudios any issues with spped transmission... a lot of forums have commented about its reliability in that department?
I own an outback and we've taken it places no car should go. I'm betting the Subaru would have done fine on that last bit past the Scout. The only concern is how tough are your tires? In the Subaru if you rip a tire, you have to replace all four unless they are very new w/ minimal wear. If you rip a tire in the Outlander, is it the same deal?
wait... use the same year... I am at 1:04 watching the year, make and model and must say how is this a fair fight? Right now I am going with the outback. Bigger motor 1 year newer... I will reply after the video
Well I won't be watching any of their videos again. What did we learn? Outlander has a locking diff, which diff locks? Does the Subaru have a comparable feature available? Waste of time.
Evil Eyes locking rear diff. Some outback have lsd
locking coupling not locking diff
You'll have to level the playing field in this competition by having both cars ware the same tires. Tires make such a difference, it's the only way to be sure.
I had a legacy for four years and now I got the 2017 Outlander with S-AWC. I personally think the Outlander is better idea for people like who only drive light off road once or twice a year and the rest using in street pavement. Because in the street I only need two wheel drive and off roading the snow and lock mode does the same thing like Subaru.
Mitsubishi's AWD system is way better than subaru because it had 3 different modes
both vehicles are equally good in their own way. which one you prefer depends on what you use it for🙂
Outlander is better AWD system but Subaru is more comfortable and you might be able to source parts for it in 8-10 years.
@454canadian
I am not sure that is true, I thought the Subaru could move power left and right also, using brake application on the slipping wheel to move power to the other side? I am not bashing the Mitsu here. The locking ability in his terrain is better, and I am no fan of the brake style anti slip.. It tends to be slow in reacting. I saw a slipping ramp test where they checked if 100% of power could move to any wheel on a several model cars the Subaru did make it up with power to 1 wheel.
I love Subaru outback. this is my dream car for now.
@offfiman The thing is, off road your anti-slip system needs to kick in alot quicker, and in different circumstances, then it would if it where designed for high performance on road driving. because their isn't really g forces when your crawl over things, this type of system is going to have alot more difficulty sensing wheelslip and detecting where to send the torque. Basically active diffs and designed to send all the power to one wheel, then send torque to the other wheel if that wheel slips
@Nellybui you simply do not understand how AYC S-AWC and ACD works do you? Yes they are electronically managed but that is what makes it better. It makes the car more power efficient reducing transmission losses by throwing out power to whichever wheel that requires it. You cannot do that with manual AWD systems. This is the age of technology and if you cant adapt to changes you will Disappear in the dark!
I hate to break it to ya, but you guys should've gone further. As for the Subaru having no locking diff, just turn VDC on. Also, the 3.6R has Subaru's intellegent VTM-4 electronic AWD system so that it will transfer torque to the wheels with more traction where needed. However, I must commend Mitsubishi for offering a locking differential. I'd much prefer the Outback off-road. It offers truck-like capability with car-like characteristics. And I could get one with a proper manual transmission!
@rangerover06sc The point of moving power from side to side, isn't of course irrelevant at all. For example, Range Rover uses traction control this way. When tire slips, it applies brakes, to move the power on opposite side. Now, active differential moves the power from side to side already in the diff, but it also has other triggers than ABS sensors. It can start doing it already when you press throttle, or when you steer, or when senses G-forces to direction or another.
i drive my outlander off road. after 30MPH on pure off road, its limit is reached. anymore than it, it will break. However, i have a 2003 outlander, 4 cylinder, FWD.
@matawin2 you mean compared to the Outlander??? are your eyes painted on?
I have an 88 Classic and you can't beat it!
Subarus have a personality of their own. They are great vehicles. The Mitsubishi is nice too, but I'll take the Subie.
The evo vs sti comparison for people with kids. They were even wearing red and blue, the colors of their rallycar cousins. I guess the comparison doesnt stop with the lancer and sti
My mother has a Mitsubishi Outlander and we've had it since I was five I think but I'm twelve now I've always liked the damn car
@Cloudstrife1188 I don't talk about the suspension, I talk about the transmission.
The Xdrive of BMW has independent rear wheels and S-AWC of Mitsubishi has independent front wheels.
For me the S-AWC is the best 4WD system ever, it beat the 5 Guiness Worlds Records !
I've owned 5 Subaru's and 2 Mitsubishi and I will NEVER own another Mits ever! Nothing but problems and headaches and my Subs just run & run with over 800K between them and still going strong, I love how nimble they are!
Subaru automatics use a hydraulic transfer clutch which is fully capable of locking transfer front/rear. The is no "center differential" in a conventional sense.
Subaru also has traction control, with a setting FOR OFFROADING, that will brake spinning wheels to transfer power side to side at each axle.....while still letting you have control of the engine throttle.
The mitsu's "locking diff" doesn't give it any advantage when you are talking Autos. Manual subarus have a Limited Slip center
@ishbush if that's like your drive... just get a scooby imprezza and guard the bottom, doesn't even have to be the turbo version - if you go at least 20mph you wont get stuck.
Reply to Wildman- You are way behind the times with that comment; that may have been the case 20 years ago, but not today. I've owned an Outback (2007) from 55,000 ks to now at 145,000. Not so much as a light bulb has needed changing. Great car all round.
Is there a video which will show the abilities of the outlander in a diagonal situation - such as the subaru was at 3:22 (so i can see if the front and rear diffs are strong enough to throw power to the wheels on the ground)?
Well, i took my Outlander on some 'serious' tracks, and ended up putting a nice dent in the petrol tank! lol....i replace it (they cheap!) and then think about puttin 'bash' Plates underneath for added protection!!! I bought it for what it was made for, the bush!
thanx for the review dudes! (thumbs up!)
...hehehe...wait to ya see my review ;)
Cheers!
so... specifically which one is "better"?
@gadgetguy4000 And yes, the Symmetrical AWD is better than the S-AWC (not saying the S-AWC is bad, it's a good system too). The fact is that the Subaru Symmetrical AWD is more about mechanics, when the Mitsubishi S-AWC is more about electronics. In that sense we can say the S-AWC is "more advanced", but it doesn't mean it's better. Because the Symmetrical AWD (mechanics) coupled with DCCD (electronical gestion) is just awesome. It's, I think, the best AWD system actually.
After all these years of making cars with good grip, I have wished Subaru would make something like the forrester but even better clearance, and their own locker-type system to give us something that could survive the rubicon but get mileage far better than a jeep. I know the hardware will increase weight, but I say Subaru (or Mitsu) could do it. I had an'83 wagon that had dual range FWD and was easily as good as the new subies off road. Seriously. And I drove Pajeros in Saudi and they rocked.
do you think that subaru outback is better than a land rover free lander 2
@rangerover06sc Active diff can operate way quicker than traction control ever could. Because in road use, you exactly need far more speed than in offroad use for the operation of the traction device. And active diff uses many more sensors than traction control, that's why it can already start moving the power to opposite side, before any slip occurs. Jeep's Quadra Drive 2, is far quicker than the traction control based Quadra Trac 2. But Jeep discontinued the Quadra Drive 2, because it's
The Outlander feels like it's made of really thin steel. Probably good for fuel economy, but it does feel less solid than other cars I've driven.
@rangerover06sc attempt with the S-AWC Outlander and Active Diffs. In the Active diff outlander, wheels don't spin at all! Not at all simply! Here's the video once again, see the 2 first attempts are with normal 4wd, and the third is with S-AWC. watch?v=tUZhujaUhTg No slip occurs at all in the active diff outlander. While the traction control based 2 first Outlanders are slipping the tires like crazy.
@UpYersMan these things are capable...i own an 01 4 banger and its got plenty of push to go through some good stuff. it may not be fast but they can easily go in deep mud. the only thing stopping them is ground clearance. and its pretty good for a crossover
Did you put "tine to" on purpose ?
Mitsubishi rulez
Subarus are way better because they are built for off roading even in stock suspension. And they can tow objects twice or three times the weight out of nasty situations.
Mitsubishi Outlander is the best
@LikwiDgAngStr Love your snow climb idea. We've added it to our list. Now we just need to get a hold of the new Audi Allroad.
I have an 03 outlander fwd. It sucks ass at 140 HP. No power, not built for any type of off roading. But it does look nice and is very comfortable. The newer outlanders not only have more power but are also bigger. So yeah they look nice.
@rangerover06sc You are not getting the point of active diff, in offroad use. Active diff is controlled electronically, it can be programmed to work like you want. And it can operate far quicker and more efficiently than traction control. And , you are wrong in the locking degree too. When the clutches of active diff, are fully operating to move the torque on other side, it's equivalent to having the diff 100% locked. No torque can escape by slipping from the opposite side. And
@christophermok I havent had one problem in the 5 years i have had it. Its a stick shift, and i push that car to the max. I treat it like a full on sports car, and off road car. Transmission is totally fine, sounds fine, if you have a chance to get a Subaru Outback, i HIGHLY suggest it. its amazing
my dsm could make it up that "gnarly hill".
Shiney Subaru!!! Ooh, and it is blue, too! Yeah! Go Subarus!!!! I think I am addicted to them now... or was I already?
@romanmicagearguy That's understandable, they're not true off-roaders but they can hold their own against those full truck-frame trucks (stock anyways XD). As for the front bumpers, it seems both Mitsubishi and Subaru made attempts to make it so that the bumpers doesn't scrap off. But I do understand they're no heavy-duty truck bumpers.
@cagednm69 I think you're the one that dunno what you're talkin about. I do know how it works...but do you know how does the Subaru transmission work? I don't think so. Because it has an electronical management too (called DCCD). Maybe a little less evolved that the S-AWC, but it works perfectly. The fact that it has an awesome mechanical transmission coupled with a very good electronial management makes it one of the best AWD system.
@SypeNav
What do lasers have to do with off-roading?
@offfiman Unless you have axle lockers you will never get a true 100% lock. Also Active diffs are designed for on road agility, not off road capibility. When your off roading you want a system that quickly pervents wheel slip. the ability to increase the torque going to the outside wheel is irelevent in conditions like these. Although, thanks to a locking center differential, the Outlander has the advantage here, seeing how each axle will recive 50% of the torque, when locked.
@rangerover06sc the active diff can also remain it's locking position for awhile. Or be already limiting the slip before proper slip occurs. Search for Jeep Quadra Drive 2 in the previous Grand Cherokee generation, and you see how fantastic active diffs can be in offroad use. Jeeps diffs remain like 100% locked for certain amount of time, after the tires have lost grip too bad. Also, look this video from Outlander, it also shows how the active diffs work, see no slip at all. watch?v=tUZhujaUhTg
They most likely both would've made it. It's sad that they didn't get down, find the toe points, and try it. It would've been good to have a truck or Jeep around in case they got in trouble, but really as long as they didn't go too fast the risk should've been negligible.
Subaru will only be the best from its excellently outstanding track record for drive stance, and feel
@rangerover06sc You are still wrong. Jeep Quadra Drive 2 uses Eaton ELSD differentials to move the torque, and I said it is EQUIVALENT for 100% lock, like it is. Jeep also has Quadra Trac systems on their vehicles, and Quadra Track uses traction control like Land Rovers do. In this video you see Quadra Track 2 for comparison: watch?v=kd8zTdo_MJM . Quadra TRAC and Quadra DRIVE are 2 totally different kind of systems.
I just think it's fun to read the comments.
@UpYersMan thats the point of these cars, to go places that once were reserved for suv's.
wouldnt the forester be more comparable to the outlander..?
Really you should learn all about your Subaru before you drive it. The Subaru Outback has a button to disable the traction control system which locks out the differential system and does the same as the Mitsu locking mech.
Hey guys i have a forester automatic and i have done serious sand duning with it lowered my tires to 12 psi and did heavy off roading suspension on subaru is just superior
Pretty sure I drive up that hill every day in my 2015 prius. And it has gummybears for difs.
@rangerover06sc From the video you see, the diff locks 100% for preset time after the first slip occurs. You can see, that the wheels don't spin at all even 2 of the tires is in air. Land Rovers Traction Control would be going crazy there, and operating all the time to make the vehicle go further. But it would also get the job done. But nowhere this efficiently.
I prefer the 2005 outback because of the looks of it!!!
They really stopped because the road got "gnarly" and there was a broken down Scout on the side of the road?! The road was a little rutty and Scouts were only produced from 1971 until 1980 so it would have been between 30 and 39 years old when this was posted in 2010. I would take my Legacy on that road and just try to stay out of the ruts.
the thumbnail looks LEGIT
@Cloudstrife1188 yeah and it has independent front wheels --> S-AWC is the best 4WD system ever
i'm trying to look for a car to replace my jeep (can't afford the gas anymore) and i'm looking at getting an outback, i watched this video to see how they do off roading and that road they took those cars on looks like my drive way, may have to stick with the jeep after all
@rangerover06sc Again, it's all about the programming of the active diff, just like with traction control as well. Obviously, BMW have programmed their active diff to not work off-road. But if you watched the video, of the Outlander doing the icy hill, you realized, that the active diff can be very quick. All active diffs are not same, nowhere near same. There is many ways to have an active diff. So I don't say anything about BMW diffs. And yes, Jeeps diffs offer traction equivalent to 100% lock