If they are like that they are Canadian but when they aren't like that they aren't Canadian, so pretty sweet deal to compliment Canadians no matter what.
Good job everyone! Every fire indication should be treated as real emergency. Just the same as fire drills in offices, because you never know when will it happen for real.
We had a minor fire in a machine closet (we didn't know it at the time that it was minor), and smoke started filling our office. Everyone literally just commented on the smoke and went back to working. I was looking around trying to get a sense of where it was coming from (common to have burned toast), and my boss got up and tried to track it down. Finding nothing in the toaster, then feeling heat come from the mech room door, he pulled the fire alarm and told everyone to get out. People literally complained, then slowly stood up and packed their stuff and took their time to file out. When they got out, they all literally stood right in front of the building door. I had to yell at everybody and question their parentage to get them to move out of the way for the fire crew. It really seems like some people would've failed kindergarten these days.
@@markmaki4460 I mean the education system was nerfed by people who realized that dumber people voted for them, at least initially. After that, it started to become a bit of a self feeding cycle, especially as many highly qualified teachers started leaving because of the pay and the behavior of the children of entitled parents. If you wanna get yelled at by a bunch of shitty children, you can do that on Wall Street for at least 5 times the salary.
I wouldn't be. I recall an episode of Aircrash Investigations where the fire had destroyed sensors and their redundancies thereby reporting no fire. I believe it even took out their radio. Pretty sure they didn't survive, was a long time ago.
My first time hearing such enunciation from ATC. Great job to all involved. Glad it wasn't a fatal situation. Interesting that there were 7 crew members, though admittedly I know little about how cargo planes operate.
Kalitta aircraft also always carry mechanics and often loadmasters. It's also common for the 747s to have 3-4 pilots due to the number of flight and duty hours.
Huzzah! Finally my hometown airport showing up on one of these (I know, I know, its never usually a good thing when you're showing up on a VAS vid 🤣). "Temperature -15"... yup.
Thank you so much for your videos. Please keep up the good work. I know nothing about airplanes or air traffic control but it is always fun to watch your content.
Got curious and did the math. 1300 lbs of fuel would power a 744 for roughly 3 or 4 minutes at cruise speed, even if every last drop in the tanks were usable, which I doubt.
There are 9 classes of DGs Class1 is explosives C2 is gases. Ex. flammable, toxic etc C3 is flammable liquids C4 is flammable solides ex. Mg, Al, Li C5 is oxidising substance ex hair dye C6 is toxic and infectious substances C7 is radioactive material C8 is corrosives ex Acid, mercury C9 is miscellaneous dangerous substances and articles ex dry ice, magnet, Li batteries
Class 3 is flammable, class 9 is miscellaneous. When I flew cargo we had all sorts of dangerous goods that we carried. You’d be surprised what cargo aircraft are allowed to carry.
When pilots wish to fly a true airspeed that is more than 10 knots or 5% (whichever is greater) different than filed, the proper procuredure is to make the request to ATC
@@dakotaritz6360 But why would you want to fly true and not avail oneself of the wind component info as it may be useful to understand AP behavior in compensating for being blown off-course?
@atubebuff the pilot will still account for winds (well the FMS is probably handling most the work). When you file a flightplan, the speed you file for is true. It is also the speed that you are supposed to fly. ATC (and the pilot) must account for wind effects.
Flying to Florida on a Dreamliner back in September 2022.....fire alarms went off and cabin stewards went into overdrive. Someone Vaping in the toilets!!! Obviously the Pilot & Co Pilot only get a "fire in the cabin" warning and start immediately looking for somewhere to land. We're over the Atlantic, so maybe Greenland closest. Pilot made an announcement about the situation (after the source & culprit was identified) and he was extremely. and rightly, upset. First time I've ever encountered this, and I assume something no Pilot wants ever to encounter it either. Very professionally dealt with by the entire crew in my opinion (a TUI Dreamliner), had me worried though..........
@@selftrue670 haha I was about to reply "tell that to the insurance companies selling life insurance". Although it never made sense they call it life insurance because it's really death insurance.
Different options. CKS636 is Cincinnati - Anchorage - Incheon. Could be an extended crew which would consist of 4 pilots. They could then technically fly the whole thing without layover in Anchorage. So just stopping, refueling and continue. There could also be deadhead members who need to travel to start their work duty e.g. from Anchorage or Incheon. Another option is that there is cargo attendant on board which is required for some types of cargo e.g. live animals
Positioning crew. Loadmasters. . Flying spanners 2/3/4 pilots in operating crew depending on duty period required. Training /Check Captain. Company personel. Etc Etc
@@cfairfull8030 i doubt it would be of any danger anyways. As it would ignite behind a traveling plane in its jetstream, and be rapidly disbursed by its wake. I'm thinking it may choke the engines. At altitude the mixture is already at max air/fuel ratios. There'd be a reduction of air, possibly causing a temporary stall. That's my guess
@@kewlztertc5386 you're right, i will say they are more worried about smaller airplanes then jet engines in this case. cessnas and stuff don't have pressurized cabins, so being covered in jet fuel isn't unfeasible. could also cause problems with the engine if it were to be ingested improperly.
@@cfairfull8030 i believe it would be an all around bad day for a Cessna. I think it would ignite a fireball and actually be burned 🔥. We should demand the FAA test this
@@kewlztertc5386 oh i am sure nasa has checked it out before lol. it would be interesting if they flew an unmanned cessna underneath an airplane dumping fuel. i would pay to watch that happen.
I don't think they went into a holding pattern, but if you land with a lot of fuel, the burning lake is larger. You also stop sooner with less weight. Center broadcast a warning for the other planes in the area.
Look at the map...they didn't go into any sort of hold; they were heading directly toward the airport the whole time. They were just getting the airplane below its maximum landing weight.
Fire indications are always very scary in an aircraft, but I'd imagine especially with so much hazmat onboard, that must be even worse. Can anyone explain what class 3 and class 9 refer to?
Class 3 comprises liquids that give off flammable vapours, and have a flash point of not more than 60C. Class 9 is for miscellaneous dangerous items, which is presumably why ATC is asking for additional details about such.
Here’s something for you! The other day, January 6th 2023 Delta Airlines Flight DAL2350/DL2350 operated by an, Airbus A320-200. N347NW flying from Atlanta KATL to Austin KAUS. when decenting, into Austin around 4000 feet. the pilots had to troubleshoot a problem then later declared an emergency due to a hydraulic pump being empty. and had no nose wheel steering. this caused a Runway shutdown. the aircraft stopped on the runway then later towed to the gate this happened around 13:30 UTC according to flight radar24
I've never heard of someone checking for traffic beneath a fuel dump. lol It turns to vapor anyway, not like there's some waterfall of fuel beneath the dumping aircraft.
@@davebartosh5 it doesn't just instantly turn to vapour and disappear, especially in such cold temperatures. It could cause issues for private smaller aircraft that don't have windshield wipers or other means of clearing their windshield if they suddenly had Jet A1 dumped all over them, even in mist form. Safety first is for EVERYONE, not just the one aircraft in the sky with a problem.
Two things to think about.... If this was a real fire they would have run out of time and lost the aircraft before landing was possible. You have about 17 minutes. If this happens over the ocean the only way to survive is to ditch. Cargo aircraft generally don't any way to extinguish a fire.
NO cargo planes have smoke detectors in all decks and also have plenty of halon that can be shot in any area of the cargo from the cockpit. Push the button fire the bottle. The catch is that deck is full of noxious halon thus you stay out.
@@tomsherwood4650 That is great that the cargo company you are working for has halon available for cargo decks. Because most don't. I don't think you know how lucky you are. That said I am not sure how effective halon is going to be against a fire from a shipment of undeclared lithium batteries? And while the halon will buy you time - you are still going to be going as fast as possible to the nearest airport....unless you're over the ocean.
@@saxmanb777 This video is about a cargo aircraft. I am talking about cargo aircraft. We are not talking about passenger aircraft. Remember - it's cargo - the government doesn't care. Looking at you Part 117 Cargo Carve Out.
The jet fuel evaporates long before reaching the ground when released at that altitude. Also, there have been multiple cargo planes brought down by cargo fires that pilots didn't react to swiftly enough. Need to get down to an okay weight for landing and land ASAP.
Too bad the controller had to request the emergency aircraft to repeat themselves. If he had someone else copying details (and verifying from the recording) that would be easier on the flight crew. AI could do that job.
I know it's important for everyone to remain calm in an emergency but that ATC sounded like he was about to fall asleep at times. Needs to speak up and enunciate.
Think it helps anyone to sound panicked and/or speaking like an auctioneer? “Sure they crashed and died, but man, at least that controller *sounded* like he was scared shitless.”
@@happycanayjian1582 yea except that is nothing like what I said. There is a Latin term for the crappy point you just made - ad absurdum - give it a Google.
@@j_taylor some are horrible. Some are better. I'm pointing out that his efforts to remain calm have a fall on affect of making him very quiet and more difficult to understand. Kaizen - just because he is better than some doesn't mean he shouldn't try to be even better.
![[REAL ATC] Virgin Atlantic DIVERTS TO BOSTON with Fire/Smoke in the cabin!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ghsyfIK-H8w/mqdefault.jpg)
![[REAL ATC] Virgin Atlantic DIVERTS TO BOSTON with Fire/Smoke in the cabin!](/img/tr.png)
Really goes to show that the ATC is there to help you, and the crew made a very good use of that help.
Indeed, exactly.
Very Canadian ATC. Very calm and polite.
Exactly what I was thinking 🇨🇦
If they are like that they are Canadian but when they aren't like that they aren't Canadian, so pretty sweet deal to compliment Canadians no matter what.
DG 3: flammable liquids
DG 9: miscellaneous (self inflating devices, batteries, etc)
Thank you very much for this information!👍 - Oh yes!🤒
Thank you for this. Saves me from trying to look it up!
"self inflating devices"
Must have had Otto Pilot onboard
shit ton of dry ice too
Good job everyone! Every fire indication should be treated as real emergency. Just the same as fire drills in offices, because you never know when will it happen for real.
We had a minor fire in a machine closet (we didn't know it at the time that it was minor), and smoke started filling our office. Everyone literally just commented on the smoke and went back to working. I was looking around trying to get a sense of where it was coming from (common to have burned toast), and my boss got up and tried to track it down. Finding nothing in the toaster, then feeling heat come from the mech room door, he pulled the fire alarm and told everyone to get out.
People literally complained, then slowly stood up and packed their stuff and took their time to file out. When they got out, they all literally stood right in front of the building door. I had to yell at everybody and question their parentage to get them to move out of the way for the fire crew.
It really seems like some people would've failed kindergarten these days.
@@ncc74656m Sounds like a Darwin Award waiting to happen. How unfortunate.
@@ncc74656m Well just look at government too these days; when our education system doesn't educate, what do we expect?
@@BlueBagger83 You're not kidding. I really wish Darwin had won that day, there were a fair few real winners there.
@@markmaki4460 I mean the education system was nerfed by people who realized that dumber people voted for them, at least initially. After that, it started to become a bit of a self feeding cycle, especially as many highly qualified teachers started leaving because of the pay and the behavior of the children of entitled parents.
If you wanna get yelled at by a bunch of shitty children, you can do that on Wall Street for at least 5 times the salary.
I’m sure if I was on that flight deck and got that indication my mind would immediately go to UPS 6 so I don’t blame them for being prompt and concise
They sounded so relieved when the fire indication went away.
I would too, dg3 means flammable liquid
If those pilots knew about UPS Flight 6, I would probably be scared too and also relieved when the indication went away.
You can clearly hear the difference in the transmissions.
I wouldn't be. I recall an episode of Aircrash Investigations where the fire had destroyed sensors and their redundancies thereby reporting no fire. I believe it even took out their radio. Pretty sure they didn't survive, was a long time ago.
The wings could come off of my aircraft and I would still believe that ATC would get me down safely! That's Canada for ya!
My first time hearing such enunciation from ATC. Great job to all involved. Glad it wasn't a fatal situation.
Interesting that there were 7 crew members, though admittedly I know little about how cargo planes operate.
It's common to have commuting crews on board as well
Kalitta aircraft also always carry mechanics and often loadmasters. It's also common for the 747s to have 3-4 pilots due to the number of flight and duty hours.
I live at YXE. Never seen a 747 at this location, though 757s (which sound similar) are a frequent occurrence.
It was parked at the south de-icing spot for a few weeks.
@@evanolynuk It actually left 3 days later on the 18th continuing to anchorage.
I now understand there was a second 747 there, also Kalitta, for parts/support.
Huzzah! Finally my hometown airport showing up on one of these (I know, I know, its never usually a good thing when you're showing up on a VAS vid 🤣). "Temperature -15"... yup.
Howdee Saskatoon! stay warm out there!
Minus 15 Degree Celsius🥶 - Thank you very much for picking this freezing cold Story up!🎅👍
Thank you so much for your videos. Please keep up the good work. I know nothing about airplanes or air traffic control but it is always fun to watch your content.
Thanks, will do!
Hey, my home airport! Thanks for uploading.
I once lived about five km away and directly in line with the N-S runway, at 24th and Ave B. I could watch planes and trains from my back yard.
Nothing better than a false positive alarm; only inconvenience and an anxious heart.
Crazy. Thankfully everything worked out.
With 1,300 pounds in a 747 I think they'd be a bit more scared.
Indeed.😄
That controller may be more used to thinking Cessnas than 747s, me thinks.
Got curious and did the math. 1300 lbs of fuel would power a 744 for roughly 3 or 4 minutes at cruise speed, even if every last drop in the tanks were usable, which I doubt.
Ooof, all that for a faulty indication. Better safe than sorry though!
It happens more frequently on the 747 freighters than you'd think
Always!
Good morning, Victor!
These Canadian atc should give lessons to many US controllers in how to enunciate their communications.
Very good ATC. Keeping it clear and well understandable keeping it kewl speaking
Go ATC!!!
United airlines 863 from SFO-SYD diverted to HNL and landed at roughly 1700 UTC on Jan 8- did anything happen?
BTW: great video! Glad everyone was ok.
Interesting that altimeter was given as 30.17, then 30.18, then 30.17 again. It's probably not enough to matter, but the discrepancy was noticeable.
Only a difference of 10 feet
Does the H by the speed indication stand for 'HEAVY' weight category?
RIP Scott K
With the dangerous goods (lithium ion batteries) they just need to land.
They were so lucky that Saskatoon had a runway long enough to land on … great job .
Super cool, not often you’d get to see a 747 in small Saskatoon. Would be quiet the site to see
It sure was, they had to fly in another one to load out the crew and cargo so we got a double treat
I want to know why they were appending their call sign with, "Heavy" as they should have being a 744.
Gives the flight crew little extra time to relax and get the seat fabric out of the crack of their butt
LOL no doubt!
What are the different classes of DG's? I'm wondering exactly what he had onboard there
There are 9 classes of DGs
Class1 is explosives
C2 is gases. Ex. flammable, toxic etc
C3 is flammable liquids
C4 is flammable solides ex. Mg, Al, Li
C5 is oxidising substance ex hair dye
C6 is toxic and infectious substances
C7 is radioactive material
C8 is corrosives ex Acid, mercury
C9 is miscellaneous dangerous substances and articles ex dry ice, magnet, Li batteries
Class 3 is flammable, class 9 is miscellaneous. When I flew cargo we had all sorts of dangerous goods that we carried. You’d be surprised what cargo aircraft are allowed to carry.
@@harshvegad4480 Thank you!
@@harshvegad4480 Thanks, you answered a follow up question I had.
2:57 What's the meaning of the request for "True Airspeed" ?
True airspeed: airspeed outside of the plane that isn’t corrected with wind speed
When pilots wish to fly a true airspeed that is more than 10 knots or 5% (whichever is greater) different than filed, the proper procuredure is to make the request to ATC
@@dakotaritz6360 But why would you want to fly true and not avail oneself of the wind component info as it may be useful to understand AP behavior in compensating for being blown off-course?
@atubebuff the pilot will still account for winds (well the FMS is probably handling most the work). When you file a flightplan, the speed you file for is true. It is also the speed that you are supposed to fly. ATC (and the pilot) must account for wind effects.
@@dakotaritz6360 Then why isn't "true" the default speed on the plane's displays?
Flying to Florida on a Dreamliner back in September 2022.....fire alarms went off and cabin stewards went into overdrive. Someone Vaping in the toilets!!! Obviously the Pilot & Co Pilot only get a "fire in the cabin" warning and start immediately looking for somewhere to land. We're over the Atlantic, so maybe Greenland closest. Pilot made an announcement about the situation (after the source & culprit was identified) and he was extremely. and rightly, upset. First time I've ever encountered this, and I assume something no Pilot wants ever to encounter it either. Very professionally dealt with by the entire crew in my opinion (a TUI Dreamliner), had me worried though..........
Does anyone know what causes these spurious false cargo fire indications? Just bad instrumentation?
Learn from history or just repeat their tragedy --- SwissAir111, ValueJet592, etc.
There is no price for human life. All this real life will give the crew confidence if they do encounter an in flight fire.
No price for human life? Tell that to the war-mongers of this planet. Sadly, for them, human life is a calculation.
@@selftrue670 haha I was about to reply "tell that to the insurance companies selling life insurance". Although it never made sense they call it life insurance because it's really death insurance.
@@ihateusernamesgrrr Using the word "death" isn't good for marketing.
Not in the industry. What were 7 souls doing on a cargo flight to Alaska? You only need 2 to fly.
One possibility is a new crew to fly a stranded plane home from Anchorage.😁
Different options. CKS636 is Cincinnati - Anchorage - Incheon. Could be an extended crew which would consist of 4 pilots. They could then technically fly the whole thing without layover in Anchorage. So just stopping, refueling and continue.
There could also be deadhead members who need to travel to start their work duty e.g. from Anchorage or Incheon.
Another option is that there is cargo attendant on board which is required for some types of cargo e.g. live animals
could be flying with loadmasters too
Positioning crew.
Loadmasters. .
Flying spanners
2/3/4 pilots in operating crew depending on duty period required.
Training /Check Captain.
Company personel.
Etc Etc
@@daftvader4218 What's a flying spanner (other than a thrown wrench)
What does the loadmaster do?
No doubt a bug in the smoke detector optics. An actual bug.
I hate to think about the cost of the dumped fuel, much less the nerves of the flight crew...
Sounds a bit like the guy from 74 gear on UA-cam
I wonder what effect a cloud of jet fuel has on a jet engine?
It probably would ignite; the thing is avgas evaporates very quickly, so there would only be a but of a risk for a for a few moments.
@@cfairfull8030 i doubt it would be of any danger anyways. As it would ignite behind a traveling plane in its jetstream, and be rapidly disbursed by its wake.
I'm thinking it may choke the engines. At altitude the mixture is already at max air/fuel ratios. There'd be a reduction of air, possibly causing a temporary stall.
That's my guess
@@kewlztertc5386 you're right, i will say they are more worried about smaller airplanes then jet engines in this case. cessnas and stuff don't have pressurized cabins, so being covered in jet fuel isn't unfeasible. could also cause problems with the engine if it were to be ingested improperly.
@@cfairfull8030 i believe it would be an all around bad day for a Cessna.
I think it would ignite a fireball and actually be burned 🔥.
We should demand the FAA test this
@@kewlztertc5386 oh i am sure nasa has checked it out before lol. it would be interesting if they flew an unmanned cessna underneath an airplane dumping fuel. i would pay to watch that happen.
🔥🛬🚨
Why go into a holding pattern to dump fuel f the cargo bay is potentially on fire?
I don't think they went into a holding pattern, but if you land with a lot of fuel, the burning lake is larger. You also stop sooner with less weight. Center broadcast a warning for the other planes in the area.
Aircraft frequently takeoff with so much fuel it would be a bad idea to land with it.
Look at the map...they didn't go into any sort of hold; they were heading directly toward the airport the whole time. They were just getting the airplane below its maximum landing weight.
🤔...
Fire indications are always very scary in an aircraft, but I'd imagine especially with so much hazmat onboard, that must be even worse.
Can anyone explain what class 3 and class 9 refer to?
Class 3 comprises liquids that give off flammable vapours, and have a flash point of not more than 60C. Class 9 is for miscellaneous dangerous items, which is presumably why ATC is asking for additional details about such.
Here’s something for you! The other day, January 6th 2023 Delta Airlines Flight DAL2350/DL2350 operated by an, Airbus A320-200. N347NW flying from Atlanta KATL to Austin KAUS. when decenting, into Austin around 4000 feet. the pilots had to troubleshoot a problem then later declared an emergency due to a hydraulic pump being empty. and had no nose wheel steering. this caused a Runway shutdown. the aircraft stopped on the runway then later towed to the gate this happened around 13:30 UTC according to flight radar24
2023?
EDIT January 6th 2023 not 2022
@@sierrabravo7156yes I miss clicked Jan 6th 2023
I've never heard of someone checking for traffic beneath a fuel dump. lol It turns to vapor anyway, not like there's some waterfall of fuel beneath the dumping aircraft.
Fuel dumping is always announced
@@N1120A Yes, and it should be. But he was checking if anyone was underneath as if it would be an ussue....wasting time in an emergency.
@@davebartosh5 it doesn't just instantly turn to vapour and disappear, especially in such cold temperatures. It could cause issues for private smaller aircraft that don't have windshield wipers or other means of clearing their windshield if they suddenly had Jet A1 dumped all over them, even in mist form.
Safety first is for EVERYONE, not just the one aircraft in the sky with a problem.
@@EightPawsProductionsHD nonsense. give an example
@@davebartosh5 it's part of our fuel jettison checklist.
I take it they were dumping for 11 mins during the direct approach......nobody holds for 11 mins when they have a master fire warning. ....
Two things to think about....
If this was a real fire they would have run out of time and lost the aircraft before landing was possible. You have about 17 minutes.
If this happens over the ocean the only way to survive is to ditch.
Cargo aircraft generally don't any way to extinguish a fire.
NO cargo planes have smoke detectors in all decks and also have plenty of halon that can be shot in any area of the cargo from the cockpit. Push the button fire the bottle. The catch is that deck is full of noxious halon thus you stay out.
@@tomsherwood4650 That is great that the cargo company you are working for has halon available for cargo decks. Because most don't. I don't think you know how lucky you are.
That said I am not sure how effective halon is going to be against a fire from a shipment of undeclared lithium batteries?
And while the halon will buy you time - you are still going to be going as fast as possible to the nearest airport....unless you're over the ocean.
@@MyGoogleUA-cam every transport plane has cargo fire extinguishers in their cargo compartments. It’s a requirement.
@@saxmanb777
This video is about a cargo aircraft.
I am talking about cargo aircraft.
We are not talking about passenger aircraft.
Remember - it's cargo - the government doesn't care. Looking at you Part 117 Cargo Carve Out.
@@MyGoogleUA-cam I am talking about both cargo and passenger aircraft. They both have halon bottles in the cargo sections.
Well that was a major waist of fuel say nothing of what it does to the land and water.!
The jet fuel evaporates long before reaching the ground when released at that altitude. Also, there have been multiple cargo planes brought down by cargo fires that pilots didn't react to swiftly enough. Need to get down to an okay weight for landing and land ASAP.
Is it worse than a flaming 747 landing on land or water?
ATC is way too verbose. He could say what he needs to say in a third of the words and be more clear
Too bad the controller had to request the emergency aircraft to repeat themselves. If he had someone else copying details (and verifying from the recording) that would be easier on the flight crew. AI could do that job.
Sounded more like radio transmission issues.
I know it's important for everyone to remain calm in an emergency but that ATC sounded like he was about to fall asleep at times. Needs to speak up and enunciate.
I and everyone else on here heard him just fine.
Think it helps anyone to sound panicked and/or speaking like an auctioneer? “Sure they crashed and died, but man, at least that controller *sounded* like he was scared shitless.”
@@happycanayjian1582 yea except that is nothing like what I said. There is a Latin term for the crappy point you just made - ad absurdum - give it a Google.
@@j_taylor some are horrible. Some are better. I'm pointing out that his efforts to remain calm have a fall on affect of making him very quiet and more difficult to understand. Kaizen - just because he is better than some doesn't mean he shouldn't try to be even better.
@@saxmanb777 and I heard him too. I'm just saying he's just a little bit away from being S tier.