I won the Loudness wars using this Limiter! (When it was needed!)
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Ok, several people started comparing this with Dan's video - a video that I was totally unaware of (so thanks for sharing this- I love Dan's videos!). However, I would suggest you watch the video before jumping into conclusions. Even from the first minute you will realize this has NOTHING to do with Dan's video. It's about me sharing my experience of working in the music business for over 20 years- and how I navigated the loudness wars when you *DID* need to make things insanely loud. This was *before* UA-cam and *before* even LUFS were a thing. We were talking RMS levels back then. And you needed to be loud if you wanted to make a living as a mastering/mixing engineer and producer.
So please, before commenting without watching the video at all, watch first and you will realize this is not a relevant video to Dan's. But the title is still relevant.
Lots of love,
Dom
We do LOVE YOU & Dan both the same way Dom...
Dom or Dan... Just the best in business...
So....Screw the obnoxious freaking comments from the poor newbies....🤓👍👍🥇
Who is Dan? but my real quesiton is how did you cycle through the colours on your shirt? :)
Excellent demo and very good soundtrack!!👍👍👍
I've been in the audio industry for over 20yrs, albeit in a remote area of Canada, but still... I've never known about this plugin!!! And none of my Nashville, Vancouver, L.A. or Vegas friends ever mentioned it either...Thanks so much for pulling back the curtain on these specialized secrets and giving a leg up to the rest of us!
I’m not surprised! Back then when I was stun under NDA’s, I realized many people knew about it but would avoid telling others.
Thank you for sharing your love for the Invisible Limiter! I know it will be a good one to have in the arsenal when needed, so that's just been added to my list! That was a fantastic demo of it Dom. And btw - I didn't get the tshirt, but I did get the matching mug because sometimes, it's got to be analogue! 😃👍
Great video, thanx for sharing your expertise (again)!
Bro im tripping with your T-shirt! 😂😂
Thanks for sharing this btw
Love how your t-shirt changed colours haha! Invisible Limiter is quite good!
Thanks for the video, it is an amazing plugin, I’m using it since 2013🔥
Your t-shirt changing color the first time, had me tripping 😂
Awesome video and awesome stories!
Thank you Dom. That was once again a great video..
Totaly agree.. good point of view sharing is caring! Thanks for the advice i´ll try it out 🙏🏼
Love the color shift on the Tee along with all your audio tips! You're an inspiration to me and I would think the rest of the Cubase community. Thank you!
Thx for sharing Dom
Lol love the T-shirt . Love the video innovations you do
So nice advices but how beautiful songs also you are working on / worked...!
Your shirt keeps changing colors and is freaking me out! Lol awesome video tho and thanks for the great plug-in awareness! Much respect for you!
Love this video, it would be nice to maybe a 20 min or so demo video on how to use all the features of the limiter on a live mix?!! great work! :)
I'm still a fan of the Brainworx bx_XL V2 Limiter. It's so old and so basic, but really easy to get great sounding results. It's nice that you can control the M/S image at the same time. Great video!
Brainworx masterdesk thrue peak is good to.
Welcome to M1! Love it.
Thanks Dom, my new best tool
Amazing hue cycle in your TShirt!!
You are telling my story as well. Just because of the history I share with A.O.M. Invisible Limiter G2, it will stay my favorite limiter forever! Thank you for sharing.
Excellent info and demo, thanks.
The Invisible Limiter sounds very clean despite the clip mode and super high input levels. I don't have it yet, as I've never heard of it. For now, what I'm doing is clipping followed by a brick wall limiter, with the LVC Clipped-MAX into the Venomode Maximal 3.
I like to ride the fence on having some dynamics and somewhat loud.
Nice color changing shirt too.
Thanks Dom! I don't know how much you earn from your channel, however I notice that your passion for music production comes out in each video of yours (maybe I should use a translator... sorry for my english...)
Thank you very much !
Thanks, Dom! These plugins are fantastic tools. Creating a melody, crafting lyrics, and producing great music with 100% amazing instrument support is the most challenging part for song and music producers. If a track gets over 50 million clicks, then you're in the game. 😊 Currently about 150.000 new music tracks are released on YT alone per month.. A lot stuff needs to be mixed and mastered. 👍
This guy got a great spirit
As someone else wrote, I'm sad to report that Dan Worral still holds the crown. Still, I'm excited for the video, as I'm sure I can learn something here (this comment was written before the video premiered)
The video is not about LUFS at all ;) I share my real-world experience when LUFS were not even a thing and people wanted masters as loud as possible. In my opinion going for extreme loudness this days is a moot point. Just wait for the video to be out ;)
@@DomSigalas Invisible Limiter is amazing, it retained quite a lot of dynamics and still squashes everything nicely with a healthy crunch. Since I'm on the younger side, this insight into how things were back then was really interesting. I'm glad to have you as my Cubase teacher these days :)
sooo... is that what the cool kids do these days, comment on a video before watching it?
thank you Dom
I like that you're gain staging right your shirt .
Nice shirt btw
I'm more interested in your colour changing t-shirt Dom!
Thanks you so much ❤
Thank You!
The mastering chain in the "loudness wars" days 😀,
the crazy ways to obtain updated information 10-15 years ago, so so true in hurts :) As a sound designer for 2 decades, this video really made me smile and remember the victorious feeling and satisfaction once I found my ultimate output plugin/s that really "did the job" and enabled the desired RMS on a song or soundtrack without squashing the mix. I had a very similar experience with my growing clients community once I won the loudness wars, so maybe it is true to say that you should never compromise on your mastering and always aspire to improve your sound methods.
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Cheers Dom!
Amazing :)
Thank you 🦇👌❤️
Love you Dom, screw the haters bro !
Thanks Sir
Thanks a lot!!!!!!
The original AOM Invisible limiter was a close kept secret for a long time, I remember also seeing it in an Armin Van Buren session in one of this production courses a couple of years back...
Very well kept secret. Everybody back then was suggesting Elephant and some other limiters. I honestly believe that people were trying to mislead people because the loudness wars were so aggressive. Also, Invisible required a bit of research in order to get the most out of it so some people would not get past the ugly GUI :)
The fact that he's showing it on a raw mix is crazy... sounds dope!
Exactly-which is never something you should do in real life!
You're the best! Btw back in the day I was working as a high-end audio developer and we were devel plug-ins for the digital 8 bus and I got one of the early versions of auto-tune, it was trippy and kind of crappy. Lol 98-99.
Yes it was this ugly green colour wasn’t it? And the mic modeller plug-in! Aaaahhhh!
During the same period when everyone turned to the L2, I easily got much better results with the Steinberg stock Maximizer.
Cubase Stock Maximizer is a very good and underrated plug-in, indeed
I noticed that your T-shirt changes colors 😳 but anyway, you are the best as always 👍👍👍
Thanks
Thanks you so much
I'd forgotten about this one???..........I had an early version on an old computer. I need to look into it again........thanks for the reminder, it's really impressive! 😉👍
the changing colors tshirt got me tripping haha
The Loudest master I ever heard is coming from Donny & Katharsys - Panic EP. it has some insane values, it hits at some point the -0.9LUFS mark :o The whole process is not only the last limiting stage but the entire process that make the production super loud. But damn, so impressive technically.
I agree. Best Limiter on the market
Thank you very much, I have also used the Stealth Limiter from IK Multimedia very loud and extremely clean, although it didnt exist at the period of AOM Invisible limiter. there is also FG X froma slate extremely trasnparent is loud and clean, I came to look if there is something ne and better than the old ones.
I am grateful for the information you give us so generously. I have used many exciting things you taught us in my songs. You should be credited in every song I make. But I don’t do that because I am always learning and making many mistakes. I don’t want anyone to blame you for my mistakes and say “Ouch, that part sounds really bad, did Dom suggest that?” ☺
You’re so kind my friend! I wish you the best- and what you do is research and we should always do this. This is also a part of our art and it makes you who you are. Trust me, most people don’t have the patience to watch educational videos they just want things to happen magically! What you do is recipe for success ❤️
Yea, in the forums nobody would talk about this plugin; but now since it doesn't matter anymore because of streaming qualifications, I'm going to let you in on the secret. Thanks, Dom.
What the f**k is going on with your shirt, it change colour?!? I want it!!😂😂😂
I second that.this Limiter is very very good .most modern limiters distort everything where A.O.m INVISIBLE Limiter still sounds transparent and clear !Must have for any Metal maniac !
Im using Acustica ASH in combination with Ozone 9 Maximizer as final limiter but I am going to try this Invisible Limiter G3. A lot of top mastering engineers like Streaky, Luca Pretolesi and David Gnozzi are recommending use final brick wall limiter with good amount of oversampling but without true peak function enabled - as true peak algorithms somehow smear transients in unpleasant way... Thanks for another great video Dom!
I agree- always use your ears! If true peak doesn’t sound good just make sure you don’t have oversample peaks :)
What if the intersample peaks sound good? 😝@@DomSigalas
Interesting video, I normally use softube's weiss MM-1 for character in combination with ozone for level and true peak but I might have to play with this one. Generally I only need to do a quick and dirty master for mix evaluation by clients but I'm always looking for a better chain.
I like what happens to your t-shirt colour 😂
Loudness is still so important especially in modern metal. If you want aggressive, you need to go loud almost always. Invisible Limiter is a great plugin, I'm glad we have a lot of great options today as well, I even used it on a master this week!
100% agree. Loudness is inherent to the sound of certain genres. Try and master -14LUFS for metal and enjoy the recipe for failure 😂
@@DomSigalas yes! There's people pushing -4 LUFS today in metal. Maybe a bit too loud still but yes every genre sounds best at different loudness levels, that's part of why I always hated the "-14LUFS is the standard" talk
i like the colour changing t shirt effect
It’s really funny, I’ve used this plug-in many times and long before I had any idea what i was doing. I was able to get some really quiet recordings/ samples up to some usable levels that I couldn’t get on any other plugin. It’s cool to see that I wasn’t crazy in tinkering around with this thing:)
Thank you for the info. I use KClip3 is powerful also ASH from Acustica
tshirt changing collors ? BOOM!
Awesome… the color of your tshirt changes the whole time
Aah yes, the L2! Everyone was using it. I didn't master but for roughs i was using the oxford inflator. Fun times 😅. Nowadays i'm on a combo of Limitless and L2. Have to try the invisible limiter as well
by the way I remember those old days , studios, producers, mixers engineers, etc.. almost everybody kept their secrets to their own and even misleading people, maybe one dude shared its thing and everybody was doing it, that info was money-making, those were the days of the selfish, I remember going to studios and some engineer waited til we get outside for a coffee to do its thing on the desk.. terrible days. You have many bad things today but lucky for us theres a better community than it was before. Thanks Dom for being part of that. 🥰
T shirt means everything !!!
Your shirt was changing colors and I thought I was tripping 😂
Bettermaker Mastering Limiter 2.0 is also worth looking at it because of the many extra features it has. Hardware clipper, overtone generator, Mid Boost (to soften mids) etc.
Yes I want to get this one for my analog mastering chain!
I just saw your t-shirt changing colours at 3:02 😂
I love the Smart:Limit from Sonible
It’s pretty amazing indeed!
I too liked invisible limiter from the get go. It has a really clipperish vibe.
...no resistance..no question...just be all right..!!!
I don't know if you noticed but your shirt is changing color all the time ,thats cool ,but the strage thing is the meter gauge on your shirt is changing too and that is really amazing😃
about limiter it helps me on making the low things that were recorded too low to get to a point that balance will be easier
Dom, would love to have a comparison between Mac and PC.. doesn't have to be complex.. add any project then import the same into the same project again.. and so on and on.. I think that's realistic and produce honest results.. would be awesome..
I’ll give this a whirl!! I am currently using KClip, Standard Clip or Inflator in clip mode on with Sonnox Limiter 3. I like how Invisible limiter clips! Will be fun to try!!
nice t shirts! lol
1:30 your shirt changed from green to blue , wow!
A.O.M Limiter makes me think of the "Don't look back" album from Boston...I just love the saturated sound they killed in the follow up million selling album "Third Stage"...
You ended the loudness war, but you casually (re)started the "Mac vs. PC" war. 😂
Dope video as always.
Hahaha! If I make a video about this it will start a war that’s why I try not to do it. But seriously, after several tests I was shooting myself in the foot not using the MacBook. It’s extremely powerful 😆
Love your smiler pfp. 😎👊🏻
Dan Worral won it fair and square from a purely technical position, although his track was pretty banging too 😉
What is everyone talking about? Can you point me to Dan’s video? I love his content!
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@@DomSigalas
@@DomSigalas ua-cam.com/video/s_ANEQu5Lto/v-deo.html
@@DomSigalasnot sure if you could see the link?
Name of the video would be cool! I’m interested :)
Invisible Limiter is amazing
BRO THAT FBI CUT JUST GAVE ME A HEART ATTACK, MONITORS FELT TOO REAL FR
So sorry man!!!
My heart still at 180bpm! damn, don't listen to that video with headphones!!
Rhank u so much for the review, to me it makes mixes boomy and subby some kind of fake loudness. Switches the transient loss with sweet low end
nice story, thanks Dom, so would you suggest using invisible limiter before another true peak limiter as Pro L2?
Yes, do the major work when it comes to limiting with IL and then top it off with true peak limiting and squeeze 1-2 db more with ProL2 it’s a very good combo!
When you push it...ahhhhhh...I get it. Mush have. Thx.
Why do you give me this secret? yo want me to steal your client ? 😆
Hahahaha - I kid you not I was under NDA for a loooong time and I couldn’t talk about any of these things 😂
Good episode. Nice chroma key effect. 👌😀
bro i have headphones on and the fbi open up part scared me so bad lol. i turned around and everything
14:20 - which Limiter would you use for Solo-Piano ? Can´t find many Tutorials about Mastering Solo-Pianos (VST) ! Thx, Dom, for your great character and your really great Vids !!! Ben
I like to do it with System 6000/MD4. The sound keep clean and the deep bass is still present. When i use A.O.M, to knok off 1dB. You hear the bass change.
I am using this plugin 10 years now 🎉
trippy tshirt
Hey Dom! you said you're using now a macbook pro. Can you do a stress test on your mac just as you did with your pc. It would be highly helpful to choose with the right one. What's the configuration of your mac system?
Great video. What’s the verdict on the G3 vs G2?
Into the first min and I'm more curious about how is your tshirt change color 😂
Thanks for sharing. You said not for piano ballads. I mostly do solo piano. And i find it really hard to come to the 14LUFS and sound good on all systems without compensating the feel of the recording. What would you recommend for doing solo piano limiting? Thanks for sharing all your wisdom 🙏🏼
Pianos are hard to compress/limit. They are so rich in resonances, overtones and cover a super wide range of frequencies with very percussive midrange. I would suggest first, filtering the sub low end and taming any nasty resonances with dynamic EQ. Then add mild compression in stages and if you have a vocal definitely use sidechain dynamic EQ on the piano on it (watch my video on my no.1 mixing trick- this is the no.1 thing I do with pianos :) ). After this, limit on stages on the master bus. Avoid distortion or saturation plugins. Hope this helps!
Thanks for your ideas Dom. For Piano I now use Soothe2, The Softube Summit Audio Grand Channel and Softube Tape to smoothen things out and then use the God Particle to do some magic and use some Weiss mastering stuff at the end. This works quit well. Thanks again for your enthousiastic videos. Love to see a guy as crazy about music and VST;s as myself. @@DomSigalas
Have you managed to compare it to Sonnox Oxford Limiter? Or even Massenburg's MDW DRC2 :) (I would be really curious to see how these compare!)
Thanks for sharing! Did you know they have version 3 out there?
Yes I say it on the video, but I haven’t had time to try it :)
@@DomSigalas ah no worries :) Just wanted to give you a heads up.
Grazie Dom, sei sempre molto preciso e corretto nelle spiegazioni ..... ma volevo provare invisible limiter G2 ... ma non c'è modo di installare il plung in in Tray mode ... che tristezza Grazie
It's odd I randomly had the same thought recently about music production in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Everyone kept their cards close to their vest. Not many wanted to share. And indeed there was a ton of misleading and diversionary thoughts perpetuated in online forums back then.
Today producers and bedroom studio engineers really don't know how great it is today versus any other time in history for learning and sharing of ideas. We have sources such as Dom, willing to show so many tips and tricks that wouldn't have been shared before. You either had to have an in at a studio or learn through trial and error. Mostly trial and error.
UA-cam is really helpful but we still have to sort wheat from chaff. Lots of newbies pretend they're an expert. So please keep mind and stick with sources such as Dom that have actual production chops in real studios and do production/mixing/mastering work for a living.
3 minutes 05 . I love the purple:)❤