Absolutely brilliant! As a clinician and researcher I agree with Sam. Of course there will be many refinements to his model but thank the universe someone is finally trying to fix “psychology” We in the trenches have known forever that categorizations as presently constituted, especially ala DSM are highly flawed to put it kindly. This video made me actually giddy! Yay!!!
It makes sense that these disorders are the results of complex trauma. I have known a man for many decades who at first shared his grandiose fantasies. He was also intermittently jealous, manipulative, and verbally abusive, and hoovered afterwards. As time went on, his grandiosity continued, but it seemed that he simply learned to keep it hidden and it was expressed as entitlement. He continued to be verbally abusive, but less often, and he adopted more covert tactics to bring his targets down, such as neglecting to provide positive regard, and triangulating. He is the same person, but over time the expression of his disorder changed, as he learned what worked better for him to get what he wanted, maintain his false self, and allow him to remain hidden and appear to be "normal". It makes sense that all these behaviors result from complex trauma. That mental illness can come and go is a truth I know from my own experience. Why do professionals fail to grasp this?
Yes, and I am tired of the "Physcopaths are born/genetics' theory. I've known alot, all were severally abused Children raised by other Physcopaths in various environments. The most sadistic ones, Mothers were Monsters. But they will protect & defend each other publicly to present the "Family Mask' of sanity and Respectability'its a web of deceit spun over generations sometimes. Eve was framed and so are her children. I don't believe our Institutions and Professions wish to tackle the truth, address the root cause of these characters. Opens Pandora's box of our dysfunctional societies and exposes other problems in Society. So we all keep the Secrecy.
thank you prof. sam for all the free content. I appreciate your work and insight into the tedious and difficult journey to understand the psychology of human beings. Huge respect !
Thank you and thank you! Such a great clarification between CPTSD and BPD ! Amazingly beautiful and clear ! Your work is important! I m relieved to hear that is temporary.
Great thanks for wonderful Daria. For those, who don't know- Daria is Polish clinical psychologist and also a victim of the narcissistic abuse- she made many video's concerning this problem. Believe me: she's really good at the topic od narcissism. Profesor Vaknin as always: absolutely Great!
That was transformational! It resonates as absolutely true, all of it - the current paradigms have always been cognitively dissonant. This makes so much more sense, and acknowledges that we're not cursed, not trapped to a lifetime of behaviors we've memorized as inevitable, due to a particular diagnosis. People can have their AGENCY back. Thank you so mush, Prof. Vaknin.
A very important point made here is the temporary borderline urge and it is at least an urge in cptsd. One would be able to hold back and override the urge. Healthy fear and reality testing would chime in and hinder reckless behaviour unlike in real borderline.
I absolutely know one can cross to temporary BPD. A perfect storm of loss and stress last year and I decompensated to anti- social behavior. Lucky I’m still allowed in the Holliday Inn Hotel Chain! Doing well now in large part to these and a couple of other CPTSD warriors out there. I’m very grateful and am carrying the message forward in my therapy work and in the post-Mormon community.
You say that Borderline is maybe going to become Emotional Disregulated disorder. In Norway it's been called Emotional Unstable pd for a long time. Great videos!
Love the new theory. People are not one thing, one self, but they pull out programs or books for specific triggers or environmental cues. Feels liberating to have definitions like you explain 🙌 and to hear this discussion! Thank you!!!
Thank you so so much, Prof Vaknin! I feel you really hit the nail on the head when you spoke about these disorders being transient. It seems very obvious while observing over periods of time
I speak from very significant inner and outer experience of all that you speak of and I’ve been studying with you from afar since the nineties. Without a shadow of a doubt you are the Freud and Jung combined of our generation Professor Vaknin.
I was a bit skeptical and had read people complaining he wasn't a trained psychologist and so on, but the more i read the more i realize he is spot on, better than listening to the psychiatrists regurgitating their learned bullshit.
Fascinating and makes a lot of sense. Does this final point relate to the idea of autism as enhanced empathy and sensitivity rather than the traditional view of reduced empathy? I have recently heard autism could be a greater sensitivity and empathy. The emotional "overload" is fitting with dysregulation, a common problem and the internal and external sensory confusion. Thank you. Great video. Lots of very interesting ideas to take away. Very much appreciate the concept of transient mental disorders rather than a lifelong label/ stigma and them vs us approach to mental health. Your library idea is far more mature and the direction mental health needs to move into. More mature, more complex. Thank you
Thank you for sharing this information. I had to undergo a psych eval as a prerequisite for obtaining disability benefits for my chronic arthritis. They inadvertently sent me a copy of that eval which concluded that I had CPTSD. As a child my mother would not stop her abuse until I cried. To this day I can not share grief with anyone. I don't attend funerals and I keep people at bay until I am able to self regulate my emotions due to trauma. Would this be considered a form of dissociative PD?
Thank you so much. Your channel is pure information. So many UA-cam channels are just regurgitation of the same things. It's interesting. My twin sister and I have a lot of trauma. We think we have CPTSD. She dissociates and I don't though.
Thank you for all the information. It's a very interesting video as always. So an overt narcissist is actualy a primary psychopath, despite that psychopaths only have external objects and narcissists only have internal objects? Is this sameness meant then as when it comes not to their handling of external/internal objects but to their behaviour and other characteristics (as you have said that they are both defiant for example)?
Oof. Had a situation up close with a borderline diagnosed woman. I am diagnosed Cptsd and what you say rings very true. Very precise segmentation of behaviour. When we stopped being friends, she just deleted and blocked me on everything in an instant. I was shocked.
Very interesting video. I always learn so much from your videos. So does that mean alot of your videos about narcissism are actually referring to psychopaths with narcissistic traits. I am very interested in psychopathy and would love to learn more about that subject since I think there's so much confusion out there about them and mis information. I really appreciate all your videos and hope to listen to more
I wonder if people w cptsd often end up with individuals who meet bpd criteria.. I can see the potential attraction for both sides, for lack of a better word rn
Sam, you should check out Vedic scriptures on human development, they talk about 7 year turns. It is similar to what you are describing. Interesting lecture. Thank you.
After watching this it would seem to be the best place to start. Mental health care in this area is extremely frustrating and very impersonal. There's been no progress this past year. I'm 41 and so very close to being part of the 11% of us that don't make it. It's misery. I want away from myself. There's emdr therapy available supposedly. But, I have yet to be ready to relive the trauma . I want healing bad enough to try anything. Barely surviving a life meant to live fully. What's worse is what the people closest to me go through. Hopeless. You know, the lost cause complex from my childhood that's bled over to today.
@@elipaisley9715 I hope you can muster up the strength to get through it ! Would just want to point out that your fears about facing the trauma can be what stops the healing from even taking root, i dont know what you have been through so i will not pretend it is an easy task. Simple , but not easy. my partner got BPD and i feel it is one of the major things actually hindering her growth, i know it isnt easy for her. What helped myself with my trauma was a lot of philosophy , being alone with my thoughts , observing my pain , accept it and not live in the past. The knowledge of death had a very profound realization on me also , or we could just call it the obvious , we are all going to die. When you know for certain that you are going to die something happened to me atleast. Anyway i will stop my ranting. Wish all the best for you
Try looking up Dialectical Behavior Therapy! It's a very common therapy that helps people with Borderline! 🙂 Good luck with your journey towards getting help!
@@astraluna555 Thank you for taking the time to write in detail and to share. I have the same emotional experience as you, having cptsd myself. Trauma therapy with complete focus on my inner child has profoundly changed me for the better. I am trying to understand what someone with BPD is going through….. Thanks again.
I've never understood something so clearly. However I don't think many people really understand the family dynamic and the inter generational for the transgenerational psychological effects. I don't believe its chronology handed down from each generation. I believe the attachment based trauma is what in message this family together I think. Can the slave become the master? If the master was a single mother of 4 boys, employeed at the mental health facility for 40 years. 4 boys became successful, financially stable and sarcastic individuals, I believe so. I've lived with her for most of my life on and off and I see that her victim mentality has created these men but my father ( oldest of the three) is the ringleader. The psychosocial professional victim and grandiose malignant alienating Predator any type of Grandpa. That is what I've come to chalk it up cuz I'm not sure where to insert the horseshoe whooping part but it doesn't roll off the tongue quite well and if the shoe fits right?
Absolutely brilliant! As a clinician and researcher I agree with Sam. Of course there will be many refinements to his model but thank the universe someone is finally trying to fix “psychology” We in the trenches have known forever that categorizations as presently constituted, especially ala DSM are highly flawed to put it kindly. This video made me actually giddy! Yay!!!
It makes sense that these disorders are the results of complex trauma. I have known a man for many decades who at first shared his grandiose fantasies. He was also intermittently jealous, manipulative, and verbally abusive, and hoovered afterwards. As time went on, his grandiosity continued, but it seemed that he simply learned to keep it hidden and it was expressed as entitlement. He continued to be verbally abusive, but less often, and he adopted more covert tactics to bring his targets down, such as neglecting to provide positive regard, and triangulating. He is the same person, but over time the expression of his disorder changed, as he learned what worked better for him to get what he wanted, maintain his false self, and allow him to remain hidden and appear to be "normal". It makes sense that all these behaviors result from complex trauma. That mental illness can come and go is a truth I know from my own experience. Why do professionals fail to grasp this?
Yes, and I am tired of the "Physcopaths are born/genetics' theory. I've known alot, all were severally abused Children raised by other Physcopaths in various environments. The most sadistic ones, Mothers were Monsters. But they will protect & defend each other publicly to present the "Family Mask' of sanity and Respectability'its a web of deceit spun over generations sometimes.
Eve was framed and so are her children. I don't believe our Institutions and Professions wish to tackle the truth, address the root cause of these characters.
Opens Pandora's box of our dysfunctional societies and exposes other problems in Society.
So we all keep the Secrecy.
thank you prof. sam for all the free content. I appreciate your work and insight into the tedious and difficult journey to understand the psychology of human beings. Huge respect !
Thank you and thank you! Such a great clarification between CPTSD and BPD ! Amazingly beautiful and clear ! Your work is important! I m relieved to hear that is temporary.
Sam is King of modern Psychology!
Thanks for your service to the people Professor.
Great thanks for wonderful Daria. For those, who don't know- Daria is Polish clinical psychologist and also a victim of the narcissistic abuse- she made many video's concerning this problem. Believe me: she's really good at the topic od narcissism. Profesor Vaknin as always: absolutely Great!
That was transformational! It resonates as absolutely true, all of it - the current paradigms have always been cognitively dissonant. This makes so much more sense, and acknowledges that we're not cursed, not trapped to a lifetime of behaviors we've memorized as inevitable, due to a particular diagnosis. People can have their AGENCY back. Thank you so mush, Prof. Vaknin.
A very important point made here is the temporary borderline urge and it is at least an urge in cptsd. One would be able to hold back and override the urge. Healthy fear and reality testing would chime in and hinder reckless behaviour unlike in real borderline.
I absolutely know one can cross to temporary BPD. A perfect storm of loss and stress last year and I decompensated to anti- social behavior. Lucky I’m still allowed in the Holliday Inn Hotel Chain! Doing well now in large part to these and a couple of other CPTSD warriors out there. I’m very grateful and am carrying the message forward in my therapy work and in the post-Mormon community.
My god, this is likely the most valuable content I’ve ever seen online. Thank you, Professor Vaknin. Truly. 🙏
I was getting worried about Vaknin since he hadn't posted anything for two weeks! Good to see he's back! 😃
Thank you both for this! As ever Sam Vaknin sheds new light and understanding!
The Library is a wonderful analogy!
👏👏👏👌👌
You say that Borderline is maybe going to become Emotional Disregulated disorder. In Norway it's been called Emotional Unstable pd for a long time. Great videos!
Love the new theory. People are not one thing, one self, but they pull out programs or books for specific triggers or environmental cues. Feels liberating to have definitions like you explain 🙌 and to hear this discussion! Thank you!!!
This explains a lot. Thank you for explaining something that years of study had failed to articulate for me.
To think you can just watch this video FOR FREE on youtube is spectacular. Tank you!
Thank you so so much, Prof Vaknin! I feel you really hit the nail on the head when you spoke about these disorders being transient. It seems very obvious while observing over periods of time
Hello to you both. Thanks for sharing. I have listened to Sam for the last few years. He has helped me understand so much.
Thank you.
I speak from very significant inner and outer experience of all that you speak of and I’ve been studying with you from afar since the nineties. Without a shadow of a doubt you are the Freud and Jung combined of our generation Professor Vaknin.
I was a bit skeptical and had read people complaining he wasn't a trained psychologist and so on, but the more i read the more i realize he is spot on, better than listening to the psychiatrists regurgitating their learned bullshit.
Dr. Vaknin, Your flexible theory of personality should be accepted everywhere.
Very good. Thank you so much, Dr. Vaknin.
Absolutely mind blowing, breakthrough!
Fascinating and makes a lot of sense. Does this final point relate to the idea of autism as enhanced empathy and sensitivity rather than the traditional view of reduced empathy? I have recently heard autism could be a greater sensitivity and empathy. The emotional "overload" is fitting with dysregulation, a common problem and the internal and external sensory confusion. Thank you. Great video. Lots of very interesting ideas to take away. Very much appreciate the concept of transient mental disorders rather than a lifelong label/ stigma and them vs us approach to mental health. Your library idea is far more mature and the direction mental health needs to move into. More mature, more complex. Thank you
Well done, thank you.
Thank you for sharing this information. I had to undergo a psych eval as a prerequisite for obtaining disability benefits for my chronic arthritis. They inadvertently sent me a copy of that eval which concluded that I had CPTSD. As a child my mother would not stop her abuse until I cried. To this day I can not share grief with anyone. I don't attend funerals and I keep people at bay until I am able to self regulate my emotions due to trauma. Would this be considered a form of dissociative PD?
Thank you! Great information and really helped me process some thoughts I've had regarding bpd.
Thank you so much. Your channel is pure information. So many UA-cam channels are just regurgitation of the same things. It's interesting. My twin sister and I have a lot of trauma. We think we have CPTSD. She dissociates and I don't though.
Dear professor, would you consider doing a video on narcissism and trafficking (to include both sexual and labor)? Thank you
So important!
Thank you for all the information. It's a very interesting video as always.
So an overt narcissist is actualy a primary psychopath,
despite that psychopaths only have external objects and narcissists only have internal objects?
Is this sameness meant then as when it comes not to their handling of external/internal objects but to their behaviour and other characteristics (as you have said that they are both defiant for example)?
Oof. Had a situation up close with a borderline diagnosed woman. I am diagnosed Cptsd and what you say rings very true.
Very precise segmentation of behaviour.
When we stopped being friends, she just deleted and blocked me on everything in an instant.
I was shocked.
Sir How can we regulate our emotions??
Very interesting video. I always learn so much from your videos. So does that mean alot of your videos about narcissism are actually referring to psychopaths with narcissistic traits. I am very interested in psychopathy and would love to learn more about that subject since I think there's so much confusion out there about them and mis information. I really appreciate all your videos and hope to listen to more
Great Talk!
Is there different types of borderline personality disorder, and does it get worse with age like narcissism
perfectly explained
Very interesting. Reminds me of Heidegger’s Being and Time.
Bravo!!!!
Is narcissism an egoic stage of adolesence towards maturity? An ego undergoing unconscious ego-death toward Self healing.
I wonder if people w cptsd often end up with individuals who meet bpd criteria.. I can see the potential attraction for both sides, for lack of a better word rn
AMAZING.. as per!
Sam, you should check out Vedic scriptures on human development, they talk about 7 year turns. It is similar to what you are describing. Interesting lecture. Thank you.
I'm suffering from bpd and I am desperate for help
After watching this it would seem to be the best place to start. Mental health care in this area is extremely frustrating and very impersonal. There's been no progress this past year. I'm 41 and so very close to being part of the 11% of us that don't make it. It's misery. I want away from myself. There's emdr therapy available supposedly. But, I have yet to be ready to relive the trauma . I want healing bad enough to try anything. Barely surviving a life meant to live fully. What's worse is what the people closest to me go through. Hopeless. You know, the lost cause complex from my childhood that's bled over to today.
@@elipaisley9715 I hope you can muster up the strength to get through it ! Would just want to point out that your fears about facing the trauma can be what stops the healing from even taking root, i dont know what you have been through so i will not pretend it is an easy task. Simple , but not easy. my partner got BPD and i feel it is one of the major things actually hindering her growth, i know it isnt easy for her.
What helped myself with my trauma was a lot of philosophy , being alone with my thoughts , observing my pain , accept it and not live in the past. The knowledge of death had a very profound realization on me also , or we could just call it the obvious , we are all going to die. When you know for certain that you are going to die something happened to me atleast. Anyway i will stop my ranting.
Wish all the best for you
Try looking up Dialectical Behavior Therapy! It's a very common therapy that helps people with Borderline! 🙂 Good luck with your journey towards getting help!
People with CPTSD do not lose their ”true self”, replacing it with a false self. Is this not a huge distinction between CPTSD and BPD?
Psychodynamically, yes - but not behaviorally.
@@samvaknin Good point. And thanks for the feedback.
@@astraluna555 Thank you for taking the time to write in detail and to share. I have the same emotional experience as you, having cptsd myself. Trauma therapy with complete focus on my inner child has profoundly changed me for the better. I am trying to understand what someone with BPD is going through….. Thanks again.
I've never understood something so clearly. However I don't think many people really understand the family dynamic and the inter generational for the transgenerational psychological effects. I don't believe its chronology handed down from each generation. I believe the attachment based trauma is what in message this family together I think. Can the slave become the master? If the master was a single mother of 4 boys, employeed at the mental health facility for 40 years. 4 boys became successful, financially stable and sarcastic individuals, I believe so. I've lived with her for most of my life on and off and I see that her victim mentality has created these men but my father ( oldest of the three) is the ringleader. The psychosocial professional victim and grandiose malignant alienating Predator any type of Grandpa. That is what I've come to chalk it up cuz I'm not sure where to insert the horseshoe whooping part but it doesn't roll off the tongue quite well and if the shoe fits right?