Rubber Bands for Tuning Suspension?
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2020
- These are neat but don't last long
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That was unbelievable. Great tips as usual EXOCAGED! I couldn't believe the difference it made, but makes perfect sense.
Great video and idea thank you for sharing! Subbed!
if you use plain rubber bands for anything, this may blow your mind. take a bicycle tube and cut it into as many rubber bands at any thickness you want. cut straight with no sharp turns or serrated lines.
These are the greatest rubber bands i've ever used and heres why.
1 - seemingly immune to UV damage from the sun. (regular rubber bands are trash if used outdoors for a few hours/ days.
2- super strong maximum holding strength. when you stretch them to the max they will hold without tearing. much stronger than traditional bands.
3 - CHEAP/ free if you use an old popped tube.
4 - customizeable - can buy any bike tire width/ tube diameter = rubber band relaxed diameter. Can also choose how thick / thin you cut them for different spring constants.
5 - generally a higher spring constant than traditional rubber bands. This could also be a con depending on your application.
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The BEST RC TIPS&TRICKS vids on youtube! Hands down
That step up was unbelievable! Wow.
Awesome as always!
what a great tips, this bujet tips can help improve my back roll during sand crawling..
That first one was amazing! Nice job
Thanks!
Awsome man you always got the best tricks
Cool... A counter spring. Amazing grabs!
Nice video. Haven't heard of this idea before. You should really look into trying some Yeah Racing Desert Lizard shocks. You can set them up to function in a very similar way, but in my opinion, better. From my use of them you gain the benefit of the lower CG but have better no load droop out, helping to get over those break over angles you were talking about. I set mine up with the small medium spring on top of the plunger with the medium or long light spring under it. The springs don't fight each other like in the pen spring mod. Works great.
Another interesting tip to try !
Thanks !
That's a creative, cheap, and easy way to experiment with suspension setup. Once you decide what you like, I think an internal spring in the shock is the permanent solution.
Well that will reduce articulation, this doesn’t.
@@ExocagedRC well, yes, I suppose you would lose some shock travel due to the height of the fully compressed spring. The small spring in my PaperMate pen for reference is about 4.5mm fully compressed.
@@ExocagedRC I was thinking the rubberband would reduce articulation also but it doesnt? do you prefer this over the pen spring in the shock then? I might change mine out here shortly to see the difference? Thanks
I used steel extension springs and a cam setup similar to a compound bow. It concentrates the pull force from ride height to about 10mm of extension on the shocks. This helps limit body movement but doesn’t restrict articulation. The effect is similar to the rubber bands, just focused.
HKGuy Snowman#1 I have done this to one of my rigs and lost no articulation, and since your not losing any shock travel it is seems to be better then my pen spring mod I did. I lost some shock travel and articulation with the pen spring mod
Whaaaaat?? I will for sure be playing with rubber bands in the very near future. I've used suspension limiting straps before, but that's not same-same. Limiting straps don't stretch and rebound. Very cool!!
Well thanks, damnit.
After going through all my shock tuning variables over the last 6 months, you come along and remind us all about compression spring rate.
Lol
Just curious, if a guy was running a slight droop to start would he want to go back to a full lift before installing the bands?
Love your vids, man. You are one of the guys I trust to show why you tune the way you do. Thanks.
It's like a small winch used to suck down the suspension in a real rock crawler..keeps the suspension from unloading.
YES!!! only its automatic with no input from the driver.
But why go for the shock mounted bands? Doesnt it make more sense to 'lift/ support" the pumpkin during a "suck down" to allow flex like the full size crawlers? i'm just a newbie to the scene, and very interested in learned experience! I just cant imagine how tieing all the suspension up, makes it more effective?
Awesome man!!
Just like a sway bar..... I use super soft springs and 2,000 weight oil on my rigs. I adjust ride height with the shock angle. Works great to keep the rig planted and from unloading during side hills and vertical climbs.
The newish chassis kits from Negative G RC use rubber band tuning. They have special plates made so you can adjust tension with the rubber bands. Super cool!
Very interesting 👍🏼
Reminds me of the early days when we would attach a servo winch to the front axle to winch down the front of the truck to change the center of gravity. I think the elastic bands shows a lot of potential. 👍🏼
Yup, I remember when servos were being used to do the same thing as suck down winches. I actually do the same thing on my rig, but I don't use a rubber band.
Man what a simple mod that can help
Dude that RC play ground you have is the Bomb!! is that your backyard?
Yep, we call it the Exoplex, we host comps and events here.
That's a nice truck
Incredibel!Now you can get Proline rubber (crawler competition suspension setup bands) " only "for 10 bucks a pair! Ha ha ha! Super nice trick!Now i sell my droop springs and go back to my 120mm shockspring set up with rubber band droop ha ha! Next year rubber bands "banned" at all competitions! Ha ha ha!
lol I'd laugh if this gets in the rule books either way.
Awesome vid and Mod my rc brother
Wow that was awesome,
This demonstrates why sway bars in the rear are helpful to crawlers
I was think about exacty same solution😁 and I love my STH chassis 👍🏻💪🏻👌🛻
oh yeah man, I used the DSM OFFROAD Kinetic straps now
@@ExocagedRC good idea. I must check it👍🏻
Pretty cool idea 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks 👍
Joe. This was an insightful video. What is the eyelet to eyelet dimension of your shocks when fully extended on Optimus 3?
97mm
@@ExocagedRC I do like the fact that rubber bands can be used in a pinch. But, thinking back that 97mm was too much travel for my Capra shocks. Which made me add something like 5mm of internal limiters to get them down to 92mm. Have you tried internal limiters on Optimus 3?
How do you propose doing this to a TRX4 or other 3 link feont with chassis mounted servo? . . I'd like to see a how to video of that
looks like a great simple mod for a better vertical performance
That Truuuuck is just BADASS!! That first climb was practically VERTICAL!!! 😲😎👍👍
Are Rubber Bands SORRCA legal?? I'm sure they're Exocaged Legal. 😉
Good tuning tool. Like you said (because I always watch ALL of everyone's Videos! Unlike the 2:41 average on my Videos), unlike the Pen Spring Mod - it doesn't permanently take away any Droop! That's a Win!!
Please stay SAFE! 😷
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No sir I don’t have an affiliate with Amain, I need to see if they even offer a program for that. I only have ebay and Amazon
I have 2 rigs 4X4 and a 6x6 and I run all of them in droop setup !!
I think from now on you should be referred to as the "Rubber Band Man" lol. Would it be possible to use that DSM recovery system to be dual purpose? I'm assuming the rubber bands will wear out pretty quickly. If you could use the elasticity from your DSM system to act as a replacement for the rubber bands, perhaps it could serve both purposes?
The other thing that came to mind, perhaps you could use an electric winch system to make an adjustable drop system? Engage the winch to lower the suspension, release the winch to raise the suspension.
I did this a while back oh good year and a half or so I kept getting a lot of torque twist with my rock crawler and I run one from the right rear axle up to a body post and we just got a little torque to it quite a bit actually and it wouldn't level back out and I just hated seen it go sideways down the street I play with it to get it level out but I put a rubber band on it and it handled it torque twist quite amazingly actually helped it a lot take care be safe
I like using these bungees like this. Keeps things under control and keeps full articulation
Joe's awesome 🤟💪🏻😜
Great video.rubber bands work great.do mind what axles are on your rig.
they are axial capra axles and transmission, I have a whole build series for this truck and you can see all the details
Ill have to see more of your videos.im digging the capra axles on that chassis
Chunk, my ecto could do that line 6 mins in I bet. It seems to like steep angles an stay sucked down. Thinking about rear steer on it down the road.
I've been using rubber bands as well like this
So... the rubber bands are putting the rig into semi-droop?
This works kinda or the same as desert lizard shocks or pen spring mod. And no I did not lose any articulation. Body control.
So you gain stability and lower the CG, and downside is that you sacrifice some breakover angle?
yep, exactly. Depending on your terrain this could be a bad thing.
The band is acting like a reverse heave spring. Flat ground it applies it’s force to both suspension links, but when one link is raised closer than the band wants it to it progressively allows the other link to drop further.
Interesting observation on that. I wonder if I simply use a string to be the limit on the rear or even the front, would that also work? Hmmm
@@ExocagedRC A hard limit strap will reduce overall travel. I doubt it would work as well, because heave springs are designed to maintain ride height without interrupting travel.
I'd like to see a hard link version of this where both links are connected perpendicularly to the axle links and connected at the top by horizontal link which pivots in the middle and reverse sprung by a shock/spring setup. This would give you additional damping when both wheels move in the same direction together, like jumping, but maintain softer levels in opposite direction like rock crawling.
I tried a string in front, centered around the servo. The function was to limit, but not loose articulation. It worked to a degree, but I didnt like the string anchored to servo case.
The rubber bands pull on the servo would never have the hard snap potential that a string would have in a bad tumble.
Maybe use one of those hair ties for some custom colours? Lol I like it
Hair ties may be a great option. Nice suggestion!
I found some black silicone hair ties at the dollar store. Work perfect, and inconspicuous!
Great vid similar to the pen spring trick in shocks just much easier & quicker. wouldn't it help you climb better if your front shock/springs were straight up & down instead of canted at the angle there at?
maybe yeah, I drilled additional holes to get them as vertical as they are, can't really go any further with them
@@ExocagedRC Oh ok that makes sense I didn't realize it was already tapped out & you already drilled new holes, I hear ya on that. , Great video keep doing what your doing always thinking & staying ahead of the curve, Im looking forward to trying the rubberbands on my hopped up gen 8... 👍🏻
What about going down stuff with only the front rubber bands?
Hey man what's that cable that's going through your top of your car all the way through the frame
That’s a DSM OFFROAD Kinetic recovery kit. It stretches out and helps to get up obstacles
What oil is in you shocks?
Good job, was that your invention or did you see it somewhere?
I got to thinking about suckdown winches after watching the 3brc video and came up with this. I’m trying to simplify vehicles, no winch or anything extra so that’s why you see the recent DSM videos. I guess I’m evolving my building techniques on video. LoL.
Exocaged RC very interesting thank you, I've been simplifying my life doing the same principle types of things since the economy crashed, I feel like a master of my domain ever since. When I retire in 2027 and get back into the Hobby I'm going to be concerned on how far I let myself go with all the bells and whistles. I don't want a bunch of expenses for maintenance but yet I still want to be able to keep up with the big boys. I'm a Gearhead so in 2027 I will still remember my objective, thanks
new to crawling here - has anyone ever put a servo with string on it to control ride height dynamically while climbing? obviously not scale feature, but seems like it could help. might be a fun experiment.
Yes it’s been done. 3brc has a video on their channel. That’s 3 brothers RC
i think you should switch to the vfd trans so you can use the hurt dig. and then that thing will be on par. i just got the supershafty bomb proof 10ii trans for a ttc bild im doing.
This truck does really good as it is, how would the VFD make it better? Not being rude, I always want my stuff to be better. LOL
Just the capra dig has that slop when you engage. Dont get me wrong I love my capra.
I'll make a video when the new transmisson get here and compare the 2.
Lower cg and a dig that does not "cog" when you engage/disengage.
For the rubber band idea it is quite interesting and out of the box idea! Agree with you about the pen spring mod, did not like it either.
Here's a way to make this more professional: TPU 3d printed shock limiting straps 😉
Coast2Coast RC ahh yeah the slop. You can see it on that vertical climb being sloppy.
Yup been doing it for years. But I run full droop.
I’ve tried full droop but have never been impressed by it because of the in controlled drop. These shocks are very close to fully compressed in this setup.
@@ExocagedRC I use the bands to control the drop speed and distance. I run massive articulation modulated by the bands depending on conditions. Works extremely well. But I also run very heavy trucks. 10 to 13 pounds depending on the rig. I have some other tricks on my suspension as well. The top mount is a cam that adds adds an inch of articulation which I can lock out or control with the bands. I've thought of producing the cam set up for the hobby but never got around to it. Could send you a pic but not sure how.
@@toddbertram6556 in the exocaged Facebook group you can send a Pic.
How do you get the transmissions to only work front wheel drive and switch it
Is it the type of crawler ? Or the transmission type
Its called a dig transmission which is what the capra transmission is. It done through the activation of a micro servo
I have watched most of the videos since you've built this truck. It is a sick rig but the tires kinda let it down.... alot of situations now it would have made a climb if it had better tires. I mean your proline krawlers would be great on this rig. It would have way more traction in my opinion. Love the channel man and all the knowledge.
I think what you are looking for is a half droop setup
Well I usually run comp with 1/4” of shaft showing but that doesn’t help the extension on climbs.
.. need a rope from front to rear to keep the thing from falling apart? xD
Let's try again, PLEASE! I wish to permanently defeat the DIG in my 'Ready To Run' Axial Capra WITHOUT disassembling it and its transmission on my bedroom floor(my only workspace). If I open the faux fuel cell (where the receiver antenna sticks out of) can I unplug the DIG's micro-servo from there thus DISABLING the DIG and its chronic habit of erroneously activating? I do not care that you LIKE the DIG feature; I 'HATE' it and I wish to permanently defeat it!!! Thank you.
yes you can remove that plug and the dig will stop working, you can remove the interior and get to the servo and the dig arm, forward is 4wd, you may be able to dab a tiny bit of superglue on the shaft to lock it in 4wd or you can use a ziptie to hold it in drive. I'd use the ziptie in case you change your mind later on.
@@ExocagedRC THANK YOU!!! I assume the plug is the 'Channel 3' plug? If I can figure out how to get past the "interior" I will "zip tie" the shaft in place(although I'm ready to use a 10lb sledgehammer on it) I will NEVER reactivate that stupid, superfluous, chronically problematic POS marketing gimmick of a system ever again! Again, I thank you!
You just wont have the slop when engaging the dig and what not.
Only useful during sidehilling
not just that, it helps with way more
Gptsx jr - Did you not watch the video??? only side hilling, that truck can damn near drive straight up a wall after the rubber band trick, it wasnt able to beforehand!!
14:25 Is that a nude woman I see in the concrete?
Don't get me wrong but IDK if It is just me or this is a bit lame? yes, of course, it is a useful mod but common.
It's not for everyone.
anything can be lame, this is simple, effective and most all of us have rubber bands around to mess with.
@@ExocagedRC Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is a bad idea, actually it makes a lot of sense but I just don't think it should be something people do or use. seem to be a bit unfair somehow... I can see SORRCA now checking every vehicle for rubber bands xD. Keep the good work and videos, love your channel.
A more polished version would be some fabbed connectors and finished elastic chord, adjustable, or set at desired length.
@@ryancampbell6657 correct, I'm working my brain trying to figure out what would work for that. Kinda thinking some of the cord like whats on the DSM recovery kit would be good.
WTF: 2:54 ..wow...black magic shit going on now.
LoL it was barely able to get that hook and up it went!
I know man!
wasnt that good u can do that without rubber band