Everyone online is screaming for sport cars and hyping up the miata, but nobody is buying them. No wonder car manufacturers don’t care about enthusiasts. It’s impossible to satisfy them and even if they try it’s barely lucrative
The thing is that car enthusiasts scream for sports cars and many do buy them but enthusiasts weren't the only ones buying sports cars thru the 90s - it was the average Joe as well...but we aren't earning as much as we did back then adjusted for inflation and cost of everything has kept up with or surpassed base inflation so we just have less disposable income to allocation to fun cars and stuff like that
@@amigos806 Miata is known to be the best manual gear box still in preduction, so good that many (five i know of) other cars, mostly custom vehicles, purchase and use their manual in their vehicles….so yeah of course you can get it in MANUAL 😎
90% of "enthusiasts" have poster cars, not actual cars, and very extreme opinions with little actual experience driving and living with the cars. They also incorrectly believe you cannot be an "enthusiast" if you don't pick a manual transmission each time.
The Z4 is in a weird place on the market. If it was like $50k for a manual I miiiiight consider it. But I just can't justify spending $70k+ for what would be a 2nd car. I'm very happy with my Miata I bought used for
@@gwpeoples so comparing a used Miata with a new Z4 is no fair comp... the Mazda Club trim with base paint and only the Brembo bakes package is $40K before taxes...While a top spec GT is pushing 50k... That compared to 70k isn't unreasonable for the added power, luxury items, etc .. I would still have the Miata Club but just saying comparing a used Miata to a new topspec Z4 M40i is not fair to the Z4...a fairer comp is to the s30i...which is about 10-14k more than the Club...and at that point it is a great value compared to the GT...
@@triaxe-mmb Your pricing is off on the Miata. The Club RF MSRP is $40k (and there are no options available in 2024, the old Brembo/Recarro/BBS package is standard now) and the GT RF is like $37k. Those are the 2 most expensive Miata trims. They aren't anywhere close to $50k. Not to mention the soft top trims are all in the low to mid $30k range. IMO the s30i isn't a fair comparison because it's only available as an automatic.
@@gwpeoples I wish this would let you post screenshots.. Mazda USA website - configurator with 2024 Miata soft top Club model, the Brembo is still an option I select, and the price was $39,065 + taxes The Brembo package is only included for the RF club when I looked on the configuration. I think I would get the RF but the "enthusiast" spec is the soft top with Brembo Package so I quoted that one.Also on the configurator, the RF club was 41,845+taxes and fees for a 2024 which would bring it damn near close to 46k OTD I will accept I was off on the GT spec - they used to be more but now they are cheaper than I last saw the dealership...that's good...lol As for the Auto v Manual thing...I could have sworn someone had put a tally out and the Miata was like almost 50% Auto sales...not saying it's the spec I would buy but it is a valid spec...but still fair criticism...a s30i is not enthusiast spec so shouldn't be in my comment I guess
Fiat 500 ceased production with an internal combustion engine, only electric ones were supposed to be produced but no one bought it and they had to return to the internal combustion engine...
The original 500E and gas powered Fiat 500 were produced at the same time. The 500E was a lease only vehicle. Literally nobody bought them because they were not offered for direct purchase. The all new 500 is electric only, and there will not be a gas powered model offered.
#1. Too expensive #2. If you can only have one vehicle, you're not buying a sedan/sports/etc., cars. #3. Sports cars are for those who have $$$ to burn.
Most young, under 40, buyers are not into driving like us older people. This really hurts sports cars, especially with a manual transmission. EV, and alternate fuel vehicles are hurt by lack of infrastructure. Add to that, the cost of a new car, interest rates and a soft job market, niche vehicle sales will obviously fall.
In most places, there are just too many other vehicles on the road to enjoy driving in a way that was available 30+ years ago. It’s easy to add more people and more vehicles in a developed area, but it is much harder to add or expand the roads there.
Us young folk can't afford to have multiple vehicles and buying a sports car isn't practical. If im being honest ill end up buying a compact suv like 99% of the population 🤣🥲 I need a new car and im looking at Mazda CX30 and Toyota Corolla Cross. The Toyota is super boring ik but it will be reliable and practical and the most financially smart thing to buy imo despite it being so unexciting
@@Carfan678 I understand your point. When I owned a sporty vehicle, 280Z, Chevelle, and 67 Mustang, I was single, or a 1 child family, where these vehicles worked. If you are single, a sports car is great. If you are a family man, that goes out the window. I traded my 280Z for a mini van when my wife got pregnant. A few years later, I got my Mustang. I also have owned several motorcycles to help with my addiction to adrenaline.
I was driving though a small town on a reservation in Montana who happened to have a CDJR dealership. Imagine my surprise when I see they have a Hyundai Nexo sitting up front. I really want to know how it got there. How are they gonna get rid of it? Should I take it for a test drive and see how low I can get the fuel?
The fuel is likely already sitting at E, as is often the case with lot cars available for test drives, so you are rolling the dice with running out entirely if going for a long test drive and needing a tow back.
From what I’ve seen, the biggest complaint is the packaging. For example, the mirai is a big car but it feels tight inside because all those hydrogen tanks take up more room and cut into interior space.
They can’t sell them because unless you are in CA or the DC area you have a hard time getting fuel. Even if you live in those areas you can’t take a trip with them because you can’t get fuel. 🙄. Great idea NO infrastructure. Plus it takes more energy to make compressed hydrogen than the energy it replaces driving with it.
People are cutting budgets so they want cars that offer some utility / versatility if they buy anything at all. A lot of these vehicles are sports cars, 2 door 2 usable seats. Unless you have money to burn, or already have other utilitarian vehicles, you are not going to buy one.
It times of economic uncertainty niche vehicles just don’t sell very fast or very well. The Z3 and GTR are not only niche but also in the luxury category. Those are among the first things people jettison when they need to try to save money. A look at Barret Jackson or Mechum auctions tells you the same thing. You have collectors unloading special interest cars for the financial gain which is not as much as you’re hoping for. The other factor is dealerships are all still in pandemic pricing mode and are overpricing new and used vehicles. The biggest problem is dealerships don’t have enough of the lower priced more basic versions of their current models on the lot. Somebody might find a 32k Toyota Tacoma a less painful purchase then a 60k fully loaded overlander or SR5 or TRD ( and most dealers overpopulate with SR5s and TRDs). Remember people are going to try to save money with recession fears coming and purchasing a 75 or 80k pickup truck is going to be a tough sell
I beg to differ that no one want's a sports car. The Corvette has sold 17,914 units so far this year. That's almost 95 cars sold a day. Then there is the Mustang (mustcrap) at 27, 444. Granted probably half of those will be wrecked soon.
Sports cars, niche cars, won’t sell with a tanked economy. Those are toys when things are going well. Alternative fuel cars fall as well in that category because those are status symbols. Most people current status is, cash strapped.
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The economy is not 'tanked" matter of fact stocks are at record highs and keep going higher.
I would have bought a mirai or nexo but I visited the hydrogen stations in my area and it is almost always over 30$ per kilogram which effectively lowers the mileage you get out of the credit card they give you. I was also actively told not to buy a nexo at my Hyundai dealer to the point where he didn’t even want to take me on a test drive. Besides them Toyota offers the hydrogen credit with used first gen mirais and for their prices it can make sense but I found it was a much better deal just buying a hybrid in the end.
Miata isn't marked up. GR86 isn't marked up. Go buy one! I bought a new GR86, and if you want affordable sports cars to keep existing you should too. Dealer near me is even discounting GR86s. 4 on the lot at every dealer in my area (Western WA), not a single markup
@@Master-Blaster-4x4 affordable is relative...a Miata Club with the brakes package (basically the enthusiast spec - the higher specs cost way more but for luxury touches like fake leather, lol) is 40k before taxes and fees...so about 45k, out the door....still my choice, but it's not exactly cheap...
@@davidcarroll8735 your options are fairly limited... assuming FR layout and a new vehicle you have the V6 stang, Miata, GR86, maybe the Z (if you can get a discount on the base model), Dodge Charger/Challenger R/T...can't think of much else that you could get for 45k OTD that's not AWD or FWD and even with those the options are limited...maybe the GTI and the Si...the R and TR are off the list since they start above the OTD you set...
The reason Toyota and Hyundai aren't going to build a charging network is because they would lose a ton of money doing it, not just building, but operating them. Hydrogen is expensive to make, compress, and dispense.
I thought the Hydrogen cars were lease only. Lease only with no buy option at the end. The manufacturer wants them back. I thought. And what States are they sold in? California only or California and Oregon?
I traded my BMW Z4 in on a VW Golf R and the Golf is a better car in almost every way. It is more comfortable and more fun to drive. It holds more people and stuff. It is much more reliable! The only thing I miss is the convertible hard top.
The automotive market in a nutshell.... Right now, it's cheaper to buy a Mercedes Benz R230 dump $25,000 into it and drive around and laugh at folks. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. Or I'll even go further saying go ahead and buy that 2008 BENTLEY for 38k..... dump 22k into it and it's still cheaper than a Honda...
As mentioned in the comments, most of the cars on your list are just too expensive. I would buy the manual Z4 tomorrow but at 78k with options and not even fully loaded is way too much for this car. If the car was around 50k with the options I wanted instead of 78k. Its a second car for most people and more people would buy especially that it offers a manual but the price is too high.
Only vehicle of interest was the GTR. IF I had the $ that is the one I would have purchased. Hydrogen vehicles.. .... worse than EV's.. who would have thought? lol The absurdly high purchase cost of buying something you are next to impossibly going to be able to fuel is insane. What it does however, is makes EV's look a tiny bit more appealing. At least, if you live in your own home, you can plug into the wall socket when the grid is not down. lol
During Covid we had a bunch of the hydrogen Toyotas here for sale. But the issue is I’m in New Orleans. Why would Carvana and carmax transfer them here to sell? It’s stupid if you make a car like rhat to charge a ton of money for. Accra you can’t drive. They ended up going to scrapyard.
Some cars would sell like cupcakes if the factory had capacity to deliver enough of them. Case in point: Manual Z4 and Manual Supra which are produced in low-volume Austrian Magna factory.
Two of the largest BMW dealers in Southern California have no Z4's in stock, 1 "in transit." It is an automatic, $74,000 price. I wonder why they are selling so few?
A suggestion: I wouldn't consider any niche vehicles in this segment, as by definition, they are low volume production vehicles. Its more enlightening to show the relative performance of what are intended to be better selling vehicles. A minimum 2000-5000 unit volume, for example, might be the range where a minimum could be set.
Things like the Lexus RC you can’t find, I doubt they even produced many so low numbers for some of these were likely projected and limited quantities of them available
Sport cars are tanking car sales is tanking because all the manufacturers are reducing there car lineups and adding SUV’s. Most of the vehicles on this are niche vehicles anyways. Better to do cars that sales are down 20% or more YOY
I think the reason sports cars and other cars you mentioned here isn’t selling because most trucks and suvs are so good at everything today and even better in some ways. My truck is as fast as a mustang and rides better can tow more get the groceries and has more room inside. Then theres the price to consider. Not everyone can afford to have a sports car and a truck or suv so they pick one vehicle that can do everything instead of one thing.just my opinion thanks for the videos guys
It is sad to see sports cars go away. The price of electric cars are ridiculous. Be sure to get one with a lifetime battery. Mine was replaced for free.
Some reason for like fiat might be to that yes lots of areas have chrysler dodge jeep ram dealers but very few with fiat and most people will go to the closest dealership not drive far away when needing a new vehicle
So...when all the more interesting (2 door / convertible / dare I say 4 door sedans) go bye-bye and all we are left with are station wagons and trucks how will we ever move a different choice since none will be available? The "hot seller" will remain the station wagon since nothing else was deemed production worthy. CAFE standards, lack of advertising, lack of interesting product options (black interiors across the board practically), lack of interest by the manufacturer since ultimate sales could not be generated (sales numbers were profitable, just not where the management wanted them to be), and high prices played a role in the sales numbers. One other thing that contributes to lower sales: hardly any stock on the lot for people to see and try out....!
It’s too much money for too sketchy of a car. All we hear is how poorly built cars are and they start at $50k. Even if you have the money who has the time to constantly fix them?
Please tell me the Z4 is NOT selling!! I want one with the manual!! To complain about the Z4 is not being truthful. First, it’s two seats, it’s a sports car and it’s a convertible. It’s basically a niche, third car for most households. No worries here. I’ll daily drive mine. The manual option is just too cool to pass up, plus 382 horsepower.
You want to take a chance on a vehicle that costs $175+ to fill up to go 270 - 300 miles vs. something that is actually already proven and has 1000x more fueling locations with more installed every day?
0:49 luxury coupes are being hit particularly hard, and this thing not only didn't have good sales to start with, it's progressively making a worse and worse case for itself.
The RC is kind of an odd duck. V8 with decent power, but it's a heavy boat. Z4 shares the platform with the Supra - neither car would exist without the other 🤷♂️
10:06 3B dollars wouldn't even get them off the ground...more like 30B...you dont need tobbuild distribution systems or a supplychain for thr fuel when Tesla built their network...that was someone else's problem...not true whwn you build hydrogen stations - you are responsible for supplying the fuel too
it's a weird time, the formless SUV revolution is drawing a close at the same time the EVs are being unwillingly shoved down our throat, and EV work best as formless SUVs, no wonder people are so damn confused. As far as I'm concerned there's two types of vehicles that are valid little fun rigs or bikes and giant ass trucks that can tow 12,000 pounds and haul 4000, the rest of the vehicles on the road are virtually worthless.
People will not buy niche or cars serving as a hobby item in very very bad economic climates and high interest rates. The Fiat is just ugly. Tommy should beat up on it's old looks as he does the GTR, being they look the same as they did twenty years ago.
Based on forum comments, the RC coupe might be considered beautiful. But the reality is that it is an ungainly design that has the road presence of a Solara. It's an ugly coupe at a time when coupes aren't popular. BMW Z4... it has received less press than the ugly Toyota Supra. Even though it's based on the same platform and is much better looking. Convertibles aren't popular right now. Acura ZDX... it will continue to be neglected by Acura. A half azzed attempt to offer an EV. The Murai... Exists solely to be an anti-EV red herring. Those interested in alternative vehicles, namely EV's, are not interested in filling their cars with tanks full of stuff anymore. If you want to fill you car with tanks of stuff, get a hybrid. Fiat EV... another half azzed attempt at an EV. It's an expensive and impractical Prada bag. GTR... Old and neglected. At the moment, Nissans aren't cool. No one spending this kind of luxury-level money wants to step foot in a sorry Nissan dealership alongside people buying Altimas and Rogues. Hyundai Nexo... never heard of it.
It was a little while ago . He started mentioning a girlfriend last year and then the next thing I know, he was referring to her as his wife. So it doesn’t seem like they were dating/engaged for long.
I am surprised that Fiat managed to sell any vehicles at all leave alone how few they sold.
Cars are crazy expensive these days. People don’t want to buy niche vehicles.
Yes new vehicles cost more but it's about free available income to spend on play cars so it's not just a cost issue it's also an income issue...
Crossovers are boring but there is a good reason for their popularity
Everyone online is screaming for sport cars and hyping up the miata, but nobody is buying them. No wonder car manufacturers don’t care about enthusiasts. It’s impossible to satisfy them and even if they try it’s barely lucrative
The thing is that car enthusiasts scream for sports cars and many do buy them but enthusiasts weren't the only ones buying sports cars thru the 90s - it was the average Joe as well...but we aren't earning as much as we did back then adjusted for inflation and cost of everything has kept up with or surpassed base inflation so we just have less disposable income to allocation to fun cars and stuff like that
Miata sales have been more or less consistent. The sales have not dropped or spiked really. It tends to follow this sign wave within a certain range.
Yeah, I swear every car video I watch has a comment……..if they made it in a manual I’d get one… 🙄
@@amigos806 Miata is known to be the best manual gear box still in preduction, so good that many (five i know of) other cars, mostly custom vehicles, purchase and use their manual in their vehicles….so yeah of course you can get it in MANUAL 😎
90% of "enthusiasts" have poster cars, not actual cars, and very extreme opinions with little actual experience driving and living with the cars. They also incorrectly believe you cannot be an "enthusiast" if you don't pick a manual transmission each time.
I would be curious to know how many the manufacturers were expecting to sell.
I hardly cant afford one car let alone two, would love to have a sports car as number 2 car 😂
The Z4 is in a weird place on the market. If it was like $50k for a manual I miiiiight consider it. But I just can't justify spending $70k+ for what would be a 2nd car. I'm very happy with my Miata I bought used for
@@gwpeoples so comparing a used Miata with a new Z4 is no fair comp...
the Mazda Club trim with base paint and only the Brembo bakes package is $40K before taxes...While a top spec GT is pushing 50k...
That compared to 70k isn't unreasonable for the added power, luxury items, etc ..
I would still have the Miata Club but just saying comparing a used Miata to a new topspec Z4 M40i is not fair to the Z4...a fairer comp is to the s30i...which is about 10-14k more than the Club...and at that point it is a great value compared to the GT...
@@triaxe-mmb Your pricing is off on the Miata. The Club RF MSRP is $40k (and there are no options available in 2024, the old Brembo/Recarro/BBS package is standard now) and the GT RF is like $37k. Those are the 2 most expensive Miata trims. They aren't anywhere close to $50k. Not to mention the soft top trims are all in the low to mid $30k range.
IMO the s30i isn't a fair comparison because it's only available as an automatic.
@@gwpeoples I wish this would let you post screenshots..
Mazda USA website - configurator with 2024 Miata soft top Club model, the Brembo is still an option I select, and the price was $39,065 + taxes
The Brembo package is only included for the RF club when I looked on the configuration. I think I would get the RF but the "enthusiast" spec is the soft top with Brembo Package so I quoted that one.Also on the configurator, the RF club was 41,845+taxes and fees for a 2024 which would bring it damn near close to 46k OTD
I will accept I was off on the GT spec - they used to be more but now they are cheaper than I last saw the dealership...that's good...lol
As for the Auto v Manual thing...I could have sworn someone had put a tally out and the Miata was like almost 50% Auto sales...not saying it's the spec I would buy but it is a valid spec...but still fair criticism...a s30i is not enthusiast spec so shouldn't be in my comment I guess
Fiat 500 ceased production with an internal combustion engine, only electric ones were supposed to be produced but no one bought it and they had to return to the internal combustion engine...
The original 500E and gas powered Fiat 500 were produced at the same time. The 500E was a lease only vehicle. Literally nobody bought them because they were not offered for direct purchase. The all new 500 is electric only, and there will not be a gas powered model offered.
#1. Too expensive
#2. If you can only have one vehicle, you're not buying a sedan/sports/etc., cars.
#3. Sports cars are for those who have $$$ to burn.
The economy and the fact dealerships continue to "jack-up" prices impacts coupe sales.
Most young, under 40, buyers are not into driving like us older people. This really hurts sports cars, especially with a manual transmission. EV, and alternate fuel vehicles are hurt by lack of infrastructure. Add to that, the cost of a new car, interest rates and a soft job market, niche vehicle sales will obviously fall.
In most places, there are just too many other vehicles on the road to enjoy driving in a way that was available 30+ years ago. It’s easy to add more people and more vehicles in a developed area, but it is much harder to add or expand the roads there.
Us young folk can't afford to have multiple vehicles and buying a sports car isn't practical. If im being honest ill end up buying a compact suv like 99% of the population 🤣🥲 I need a new car and im looking at Mazda CX30 and Toyota Corolla Cross. The Toyota is super boring ik but it will be reliable and practical and the most financially smart thing to buy imo despite it being so unexciting
@@Carfan678 I understand your point. When I owned a sporty vehicle, 280Z, Chevelle, and 67 Mustang, I was single, or a 1 child family, where these vehicles worked. If you are single, a sports car is great. If you are a family man, that goes out the window. I traded my 280Z for a mini van when my wife got pregnant. A few years later, I got my Mustang. I also have owned several motorcycles to help with my addiction to adrenaline.
they're not even into driving, and wouldn't even go outside do things if it didn't matter so much to their social networking status.
I was driving though a small town on a reservation in Montana who happened to have a CDJR dealership. Imagine my surprise when I see they have a Hyundai Nexo sitting up front. I really want to know how it got there. How are they gonna get rid of it? Should I take it for a test drive and see how low I can get the fuel?
The fuel is likely already sitting at E, as is often the case with lot cars available for test drives, so you are rolling the dice with running out entirely if going for a long test drive and needing a tow back.
The biggest complaint for most owners regarding hydrogen is the cost to fuel em !
From what I’ve seen, the biggest complaint is the packaging. For example, the mirai is a big car but it feels tight inside because all those hydrogen tanks take up more room and cut into interior space.
They can’t sell them because unless you are in CA or the DC area you have a hard time getting fuel. Even if you live in those areas you can’t take a trip with them because you can’t get fuel. 🙄. Great idea NO infrastructure. Plus it takes more energy to make compressed hydrogen than the energy it replaces driving with it.
TFL should lease the Leaf for the $19/mo advertised deal in Colorado.
Why any manufacture would bring a Hydrogen powered vehicle to market is puzzling, there is no infrastructure to support it and never will be.
Uh vehicles cost to much! Car insurance went up. People can't afford things anymore.
People are cutting budgets so they want cars that offer some utility / versatility if they buy anything at all. A lot of these vehicles are sports cars, 2 door 2 usable seats. Unless you have money to burn, or already have other utilitarian vehicles, you are not going to buy one.
I would be interested to hear how many units sold to how many units produced.
Exactly. If I never see what I want on the lot, I can't buy it. "We only sold 500." "BUT THAT"S ALL THAT WERE PRODUCED!"
Fiat sales make sense. Stellantis is not a good name in the US. They try to hide that at every “Mopar” dealership.
It times of economic uncertainty niche vehicles just don’t sell very fast or very well. The Z3 and GTR are not only niche but also in the luxury category. Those are among the first things people jettison when they need to try to save money. A look at Barret Jackson or Mechum auctions tells you the same thing. You have collectors unloading special interest cars for the financial gain which is not as much as you’re hoping for. The other factor is dealerships are all still in pandemic pricing mode and are overpricing new and used vehicles. The biggest problem is dealerships don’t have enough of the lower priced more basic versions of their current models on the lot. Somebody might find a 32k Toyota Tacoma a less painful purchase then a 60k fully loaded overlander or SR5 or TRD ( and most dealers overpopulate with SR5s and TRDs). Remember people are going to try to save money with recession fears coming and purchasing a 75 or 80k pickup truck is going to be a tough sell
I beg to differ that no one want's a sports car. The Corvette has sold 17,914 units so far this year. That's almost 95 cars sold a day. Then there is the Mustang (mustcrap) at 27, 444. Granted probably half of those will be wrecked soon.
These lists will be more interesting if niche vehicles like Mirai aren't included.
Bunch of overpiced junk these days when ppl make allot less money
Sports cars, niche cars, won’t sell with a tanked economy. Those are toys when things are going well. Alternative fuel cars fall as well in that category because those are status symbols. Most people current status is, cash strapped.
The economy is not 'tanked" matter of fact stocks are at record highs and keep going higher.
Ok, let me tell the people to stop complaining about inflation and to go buy a Z4 because investors are doing great! 😌
@@manoloprpr I realize the welfare checks only went up about 5% so they would probably not be buying a Z4 anytime soon.
@@manoloprpr You’re right. I just bought a Z4 and my 401k is doing very well.
@@Love2Cruise there you go!😂😂 I’m holding out until after the election. If we don’t take a hit then yes I will splurge.
The Fiat 500 was cute when it first came out. Everyone who ever wanted one has one. The MPG was never that great to begin with.
Now many can see why Toyota and BMW partnered to develop the new supra and Z4.
I would have bought a mirai or nexo but I visited the hydrogen stations in my area and it is almost always over 30$ per kilogram which effectively lowers the mileage you get out of the credit card they give you. I was also actively told not to buy a nexo at my Hyundai dealer to the point where he didn’t even want to take me on a test drive. Besides them Toyota offers the hydrogen credit with used first gen mirais and for their prices it can make sense but I found it was a much better deal just buying a hybrid in the end.
I would buy a sports car if they didn’t have a 20k dealer mark up
I think I’m waiting until we return to markdowns off MSRP and I’m looking pretty exclusively below $45k out the door.
Miata isn't marked up. GR86 isn't marked up. Go buy one! I bought a new GR86, and if you want affordable sports cars to keep existing you should too. Dealer near me is even discounting GR86s. 4 on the lot at every dealer in my area (Western WA), not a single markup
@@Master-Blaster-4x4 affordable is relative...a Miata Club with the brakes package (basically the enthusiast spec - the higher specs cost way more but for luxury touches like fake leather, lol) is 40k before taxes and fees...so about 45k, out the door....still my choice, but it's not exactly cheap...
@@2daih4 I guarantee you can get the Z4 with out a markup...heck, you might even be able to get it below MSRP
@@davidcarroll8735 your options are fairly limited... assuming FR layout and a new vehicle you have the V6 stang, Miata, GR86, maybe the Z (if you can get a discount on the base model), Dodge Charger/Challenger R/T...can't think of much else that you could get for 45k OTD that's not AWD or FWD and even with those the options are limited...maybe the GTI and the Si...the R and TR are off the list since they start above the OTD you set...
The Miraj shouldn’t be on the list as it’s not available in 98% of states
RC and Z4 have also been on market for years. So not exactly fresh models. Same with the GTR.
I think true sales bombs are low actual sold : expected sold ratios. Not niche products meant to elevate your brand.
The reason Toyota and Hyundai aren't going to build a charging network is because they would lose a ton of money doing it, not just building, but operating them. Hydrogen is expensive to make, compress, and dispense.
I actually saw Arco gas station with hydrogen pump today. It read 3kg for $125 or something like that. You do need the fuel credit for that 😅
I thought the Hydrogen cars were lease only. Lease only with no buy option at the end. The manufacturer wants them back. I thought.
And what States are they sold in? California only or California and Oregon?
I traded my BMW Z4 in on a VW Golf R and the Golf is a better car in almost every way. It is more comfortable and more fun to drive. It holds more people and stuff. It is much more reliable! The only thing I miss is the convertible hard top.
The automotive market in a nutshell....
Right now, it's cheaper to buy a Mercedes Benz R230 dump $25,000 into it and drive around and laugh at folks. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. Or I'll even go further saying go ahead and buy that 2008 BENTLEY for 38k..... dump 22k into it and it's still cheaper than a Honda...
It helps a lot. If you can do most of the maintenance and some major repairs yourself.
Next video proposal for more general interest: "What are the worst selling crossovers and minivans of 2024 so far (excluding EV/H₂) ".
As mentioned in the comments, most of the cars on your list are just too expensive. I would buy the manual Z4 tomorrow but at 78k with options and not even fully loaded is way too much for this car. If the car was around 50k with the options I wanted instead of 78k. Its a second car for most people and more people would buy especially that it offers a manual but the price is too high.
You could buy a Supra for $50k-ish. Basically the same car.
Only vehicle of interest was the GTR. IF I had the $ that is the one I would have purchased. Hydrogen vehicles.. .... worse than EV's.. who would have thought? lol The absurdly high purchase cost of buying something you are next to impossibly going to be able to fuel is insane. What it does however, is makes EV's look a tiny bit more appealing. At least, if you live in your own home, you can plug into the wall socket when the grid is not down. lol
During Covid we had a bunch of the hydrogen Toyotas here for sale. But the issue is I’m in New Orleans. Why would Carvana and carmax transfer them here to sell? It’s stupid if you make a car like rhat to charge a ton of money for. Accra you can’t drive. They ended up going to scrapyard.
U can buy plenty of hydrogen fuel cell cars used for 10% of what they're MSRP is. Toyota everywhere for like 6k. Low miles too.
Some cars would sell like cupcakes if the factory had capacity to deliver enough of them. Case in point: Manual Z4 and Manual Supra which are produced in low-volume Austrian Magna factory.
Two of the largest BMW dealers in Southern California have no Z4's in stock, 1 "in transit." It is an automatic, $74,000 price. I wonder why they are selling so few?
A suggestion: I wouldn't consider any niche vehicles in this segment, as by definition, they are low volume production vehicles. Its more enlightening to show the relative performance of what are intended to be better selling vehicles. A minimum 2000-5000 unit volume, for example, might be the range where a minimum could be set.
Things like the Lexus RC you can’t find, I doubt they even produced many so low numbers for some of these were likely projected and limited quantities of them available
Sport cars are tanking car sales is tanking because all the manufacturers are reducing there car lineups and adding SUV’s. Most of the vehicles on this are niche vehicles anyways. Better to do cars that sales are down 20% or more YOY
The z4 needs more love ❤️ absolutely fabulous car
I think the reason sports cars and other cars you mentioned here isn’t selling because most trucks and suvs are so good at everything today and even better in some ways. My truck is as fast as a mustang and rides better can tow more get the groceries and has more room inside. Then theres the price to consider. Not everyone can afford to have a sports car and a truck or suv so they pick one vehicle that can do everything instead of one thing.just my opinion thanks for the videos guys
Understandable I would not buy any of those
God that viper has been sitting for 7 years. I wonder how it will hold up over time.
Was this list/video worth making? 7 non selling cars that for the most part are electric, hydrogen, or a super car?
No no it wasn't
It is sad to see sports cars go away. The price of electric cars are ridiculous. Be sure to get one with a lifetime battery. Mine was replaced for free.
Some reason for like fiat might be to that yes lots of areas have chrysler dodge jeep ram dealers but very few with fiat and most people will go to the closest dealership not drive far away when needing a new vehicle
The Z4 lost it's roaster vibe period. Looks like a drop-top Mercedes Benz.
So...when all the more interesting (2 door / convertible / dare I say 4 door sedans) go bye-bye and all we are left with are station wagons and trucks how will we ever move a different choice since none will be available? The "hot seller" will remain the station wagon since nothing else was deemed production worthy. CAFE standards, lack of advertising, lack of interesting product options (black interiors across the board practically), lack of interest by the manufacturer since ultimate sales could not be generated (sales numbers were profitable, just not where the management wanted them to be), and high prices played a role in the sales numbers. One other thing that contributes to lower sales: hardly any stock on the lot for people to see and try out....!
It’s too much money for too sketchy of a car. All we hear is how poorly built cars are and they start at $50k. Even if you have the money who has the time to constantly fix them?
Toyota is selling NEW hydrogen cars for $10,000 - an 80% discount
The Electric Viking
Please tell me the Z4 is NOT selling!! I want one with the manual!!
To complain about the Z4 is not being truthful. First, it’s two seats, it’s a sports car and it’s a convertible. It’s basically a niche, third car for most households.
No worries here. I’ll daily drive mine. The manual option is just too cool to pass up, plus 382 horsepower.
You like the Fiat and said it's great looking? Bahahah
I wish Hydrogen Power was available in Chicago. I'd take a chance on those before an EV.
You want to take a chance on a vehicle that costs $175+ to fill up to go 270 - 300 miles vs. something that is actually already proven and has 1000x more fueling locations with more installed every day?
Lol, if you have range anxiety with EVs, it's much worse with Hydrogen cars 😂
You would take that chance because you know nothing about H power.
0:49 luxury coupes are being hit particularly hard, and this thing not only didn't have good sales to start with, it's progressively making a worse and worse case for itself.
2:20 the car has a very simple issue. if you ask "why should I get this over a similarly priced 2 series?" you really don't have any good answers.
4:13 down 70% and it's because of everything going on with hydrogen fuel right now.
5:34 the cost of hydrogen being effectively $36/kg (same energy as a gallon of gas) really isn't helping.
Cheapest car on this list is over $30,000 and has a range of 50 miles no wonder no one buy these cars
Lexus RC is not a sports car. That thing is a GT at best.
The RC is kind of an odd duck. V8 with decent power, but it's a heavy boat.
Z4 shares the platform with the Supra - neither car would exist without the other 🤷♂️
Thats 941 people making a better choice (RC) than the mindless masses (RX)
10:06 3B dollars wouldn't even get them off the ground...more like 30B...you dont need tobbuild distribution systems or a supplychain for thr fuel when Tesla built their network...that was someone else's problem...not true whwn you build hydrogen stations - you are responsible for supplying the fuel too
MX5 …. A major redesign is a factor of sales in any car. Everybody wants the latest and greatest .
Surprised my eclipse cross isn’t on the list
Would they put Fiat out of its misery in the US already?
New cars are ripoffs. 3-4Yrs used are the best value. So, not in a rush to upgrade my current and already fully paid car. 😂
Kase, nice work.
Due to the high cost of hydrogen it cost $200 to fill a tank.
Buying new unreliable Fiat versus almost any other new or used vehicle. Buy used trouble free Honda or Toyota.
it's a weird time, the formless SUV revolution is drawing a close at the same time the EVs are being unwillingly shoved down our throat, and EV work best as formless SUVs, no wonder people are so damn confused.
As far as I'm concerned there's two types of vehicles that are valid little fun rigs or bikes and giant ass trucks that can tow 12,000 pounds and haul 4000, the rest of the vehicles on the road are virtually worthless.
So nice the Z4. Would love that, with a stick. so much fun. 🙂
I cannot imagine being a FIAT dealer
People will not buy niche or cars serving as a hobby item in very very bad economic climates and high interest rates. The Fiat is just ugly. Tommy should beat up on it's old looks as he does the GTR, being they look the same as they did twenty years ago.
RIP Z4 and sport cars in general
The lexus RC is too old. It needs to be redesigned.
Based on forum comments, the RC coupe might be considered beautiful. But the reality is that it is an ungainly design that has the road presence of a Solara. It's an ugly coupe at a time when coupes aren't popular.
BMW Z4... it has received less press than the ugly Toyota Supra. Even though it's based on the same platform and is much better looking. Convertibles aren't popular right now.
Acura ZDX... it will continue to be neglected by Acura. A half azzed attempt to offer an EV.
The Murai... Exists solely to be an anti-EV red herring. Those interested in alternative vehicles, namely EV's, are not interested in filling their cars with tanks full of stuff anymore. If you want to fill you car with tanks of stuff, get a hybrid.
Fiat EV... another half azzed attempt at an EV. It's an expensive and impractical Prada bag.
GTR... Old and neglected. At the moment, Nissans aren't cool. No one spending this kind of luxury-level money wants to step foot in a sorry Nissan dealership alongside people buying Altimas and Rogues.
Hyundai Nexo... never heard of it.
Why would you buy a Z4 when you could get a Supra?
Because it's better looking and has a convertible top
The Z4 just doesn't look as good as it used to.
Fiat? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Look at the production numbers. They don't build them. They have non on the lot. Or they have a spec no one is interested in.
Lexus RC F is worth it, fewer V8 out there
The RC is a niche product. Duh!
Toyota supra??!
You two look like rocky and bullwinkle……
Acura is just 💩
Joe Bidens America
Record low unemployment and the highest stock market in history. It's terrible right.
Tommy's wearing a wedding band. When did he get married? Who's the lucky gal/guy?
Definitely a gal.
It was a little while ago . He started mentioning a girlfriend last year and then the next thing I know, he was referring to her as his wife. So it doesn’t seem like they were dating/engaged for long.
500 eis a pos in they won't sell.
Stop calling SUVs a car what are they a trans car?
The suv might identify as a car?
What would you call it in a binary world of cars and trucks? Most SUV’s are unibody, which isn’t considered a truck.
@@Cloud30000 cars have frames how about we just call it vehicle
The Nissan rogue is a SUV quit, stop calling it a car
Car by literal definition means a four wheeled vehicle that is street legal and is powered by an engine or electric motors. SUV is a category of car.
Front wheel drive, based on Altima. Car.
The BMW Z4 I can see. That thing looks like nothing and costs a fortune!