If you have not seen a Mormon please leave your door lights on and put up something in your window that makes you look a little spiritually lost like a Weeknd album cover or something, you'll see one magically within minutes.
Heretic is a really solid movie, and I'd suggest it to anyone who appreciates horror and philosophy. SPOILERS AHEAD!!! I would argue that it's a fairly pro-faith movie overall. In fact, the title "Heretic" really refers to sister Paxton, as she is a true heretic while within his materialistic "temple". Even the ending is a demonstration of her religious "free will" over his predeterministic materialism. He asserts his Marxist (and necessarily atheistic) power struggle over her to show her that, as he puts it, control is the only true religion. If you've listened to many atheist thinkers, like Sam Harris, they tend to assert that humans have no free will. The villain shows her that he had predetermined her fate the moment she entered his home. He shows her that he had completely removed her free will by being more clever than she was. At the end of the movie he proves to her (and to himself, honestly) that he's completely right about his ability to control her. He has proven his point: God does not exist and she has no free will... except she does. She proves this by retaining her agency and completely surprising him with a knife in the throat. The point is driven home when they end up in the room of "fake miracles", where a real miracle takes place. And I know you had a problem with how few prayers were spoken in the movie, but the point of that was to highlight the point of prayer in that scene. She knew she had no where else to go, and instead of praying for God to save her, she selflessly prayed for the man trying to kill her (as the Bible would suggest). There's plenty more I could talk about with this movie, but I know I've left an egregious wall of text already. It was interesting hearing your perspective on this movie, and I'm glad you enjoyed it =)
Wow you are spot on!! You put into words exactly how I felt about this movie. It’s weird to me how people are interpreting this film as anti-religion given everything you said. I definitely resonate most with your interpretation-that being said, I think everyone is going to let their own bias obscure the way they see the film (including me). The more I think about it the more I think it was made that way intentionally.
To me the movie feels like a general critique of religious beliefs in general written as a psychological thriller horror story. Some points (such as how new religions are iterations of older ones, much like updated versions of Monopoly or remixed songs) are well made, but they are presented by a controlling, manipulative villain, which weakens their impact. Ultimately, what saves Sister Paxton isn’t just her faith but also critical thinking skills such as the ability to see Mr. Reed’s staged "miracles" as mere magic tricks. The film, as I see it, is filled with subliminal messages, often conveyed through contradictions and philosophical crossroads.
Wow! Marxism was never about "Individual Power Struggle", but a lot of other things, but mainly "Class Struggle". Individuals alone has no real role is changing things is Marxist Theory. Neo-Marxist Theory on the other hand challenged that concept (Suggestion Joseph Stiglitz and Thomas Piketty) I recommend you to go back Sociology 101 - Marx - Weber - Durkheim, and I really recommend you to read Das Kapital (All of It) Everyone talks about "Marxism", no one really reads Marx... How funny isn´t it?
You are projecting your biased views about attributes of atheists onto Mr. Reed. Nowhere in the film was it even directly implied that he is even an atheist, much less "Marxist". Nor are there any hints of "predeterministic materialism". Only that he has a cynical view of organized religion and is an insane person who is a murderer and keeps people in cages in his basement.
As an atheist I posit that he’s not really an atheist. He does criticize religion but just made up his own lore in its place. No sane or rational atheist would ever go down this rabbit hole. Some more conservative religious people tend to ascribe some malicious intent behind it, but End of the day, we simply don’t believe in an all knowing diety. There is no religious practice in its place and that’s the point. I guess I just checked out after I was confirmed Methodist but this movie rightly brought up some valid criticisms of religion
@@jstall20 As an Atheist, my POV is that many atheist still nurture metaphysical beliefs, and this don't make them less Atheist (Again any "True Thing" Questioning will fall in The True Scottishman Fallacy). Putting things into Categories is Part of the Human Nature, also is, failling to do it correctly. Even the Concepts of Categories/Categorization are controversial in Psychology/Philosophy
Im an Ex-mormon who is very interested in this movie, I'm glad the film gave the mormon characters a fair shake (at least when compared to a lot of other media). When you said "mormons study a lot", I felt that in my bones. I left the church when I was fairly young, but the thing that I don't think I'll ever forget is how I had to study all the time. My experience isn't necessarily comparitive to other people's experience, but I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one.
Your take is an interesting contrast to Alyssa Greenfell's reactio. She's an ex-Mormon. It's fascinating how you two basically present the same facts but disagree on the interpretation. Would love the two of you do a joint episode. I think you two might have an interesting conversation.
I have a cousin that was a Mormon missionary for two years. In Salt Lake City Utah. He told the family all about it. I find the Mormon church interesting. I have not seen The Heretic yet. I have plans to see it with a friend. I'm enjoying your channel. Thank you for talking about the movies. Thank you for telling us about missionaries. What it is like to be one. I like visiting the Temple in Maryland. At Christmas time. It looks beautiful. I like your video.
I love hearing about this movie from the eyes of faithful Latter-day Saints. I live in Utah so anytime Mormonism is under the eyes of Hollywood, I get to hear everybody go crazy yet again. Love hearing your perspective, especially since you were once a Sister missionary.
This came up on my feed but I want to mention how impactful Mormons have been in my life. I had some missionaries over my house and they prayed for me. I wouldn’t pray with them but they prayed for me. It opened my heart and I joined a Christian church. I’ve been so strong in my faith now for 10 years now. I think Mormons are incredible people, most are upstanding citizens. I think y’all are very educated in your beliefs and passionate about faith. You guys hold a special place in my heart so thanks!
That's such a beautiful story! I'm sure those missionaries who prayed with you would be so happy for you now. It's always wonderful to see another person of faith, and I'm glad we've made such a positive impact in your life. God bless!
I love how open-minded you are. I was raised Roman Catholic, converted to Orthodox Judaism in my early 40s, and finally found my spiritual home ten years ago in Hinduism (I spend a lot of my year in India). I have a PhD in the history of religion, so yeah, my entire life and intellectual/spiritual evolution has centered on the two doors- Belief or Disbelief. Belief was always my choice, but I wanted to respect ALL choices. Whenever Mormon missionaries came to my home, I explained to them that I was already a believer in God (who takes different forms in different cultures), but that I greatly respected their work. Missionaries often have a look of hopeful joy on their faces; they are the best advertisement for the faith! You have that same look of hopeful joy, and this world needs more of that! Thank you for the content.
I'm kind of scared of Mormons if I'm being perfectly honest. There's a Mormon family that lives across the street from me, and they seem nice, but are they really? Who knows. I'm scared to go talk to them and stuff. Like what do they eat, what do they do for fun, and stuff like that. You are helping me understand them more thanks to your channel.
What i find astonishing about mormons, is that though founded on shaky beginnings, they still have faith that is pretty unheard of in many religions around the world. Even the jewish rabbis have accepted that the isrealites were never in egypt as slaves, and moses may have conjoured a tall tale to help the jewish faith grow. And thats okay, whatever helps a person to surrender thier ego and become a better person.
My take away. Whether a person believe or disbelieve, both doors open to a path that leads to being controlled. Horror is the correct genre for a movie that is a metaphor for the last days.
I mean this respectfully I am an ex Jehovah witnesses. I talk to ex JW all the time and ex Mormons. Anyone reading if you ever leave the Mormon church or the JWs please rewatch this. This movie will hit differently and hit harder. Rewatch it you will get the full effect of the movie because we all know how it’s like to fully believe in a faith to not believing at all. I know this is a movie about Mormon missionaries but this also applies to JWs. If anyone reading this ever leaves their faith please please watch it again you will thank me.
interesting...I don't think belief is a choice however. I believe things that I find convincing, things that are supported by enough evidence to be believed, things that explain and connect to the reality I experience the best...I don't really have a choice in that.
Wait a minute... "Stalker story"? Please, tell me you are referring to this crazy Ukrainian videogame and not actual stalking. At the very least, I hope it is the videogame. Otherwise, wow... I am so sorry this ever happened to you. :( Update: I have just realised you mentioned some stalking in your video from yesterday. Wow, I will pray for you, uhm... What is your name?😅🙏
I think we need more movies with Mormons & Mormon culture in them. In this era we always talk about representation & Mormons are no exception to that. No stereotypes or disrespect just take is what interesting & see how it works in a horror, comedy, sci-fi, etc.
I really liked your review! It was naturally well balanced and genuine. I see what you meant by prayers, etc., but again, all companionships and missions are different! Wonderful nonetheless. And I love the end of your vid 😂
My bestfriend in highschool was a Mormon, had 2 brothers who went on missions to Colorado. He ran as far as possible ( to the other side of the country as soon as he graduated high school ). his parents were extremely nice to me every time I was over though. His mom tried teaching me about Jesus one time but I told her I was good and she was really cool about it.
(Spoiler warning) Thanks for posting this. I really enjoyed hearing a review from someone who was a practicing Mormon and went into detail about mission work. I found the ending where Sister Barnes was praying and Mr. Reed was crawling to her for comfort. While an atheist myself, I still find others faith moving. This varies if the person uses it to be a better person or as an excuse to manipulate or control others or to do what they want to do anyway, I think the majority of the people it is the former. In other words are you listening to your higher power. The film challenges you to think about what you believe and why. It isn't a black and white view point. I am seeing it a second time next week and have been watching different takes on the film. I enjoy a good religious debate, so, for me, the film worked extremely well.
Even though I'm an Orthodox Christian (for those of you who don't know, in summary - the Orthodox Church is basically like the Catholic Church in doctrine and practices but without the centralized Pope figure and is less known to the western world), and even though the Orthodox Church and LDS Church are not even similar in doctrine and practices, the Mormon missionaries I met in my city (and I met a handful) have become some of my dearest friends, and I never experienced anything bad, rude, judgemental, or anything similar from their side. Our conversations never turned into deep, theological debates, but rather stayed at the "we agree to disagree" level, and we always discussed faith and religion lightly. To make the long story short, the point is - I have mixed feelings about this movie, both from a standpoint of a pious Christian person, but also because of my personal experiences with the missionaries, which were always positive, and I hate when they're represented as dumb or brainwashed in movies, musicals etc. I just think the movie is too atheist-focused and could've included a bit more debate (just like that once scene where Sister Barnes rebukes some of the points Mr Reed raised about Jesus)
What do you consider "Western World"? Greece is almost synonymous with Western civilization and Bulgaria (albeit not that religious, thankfully), both are in the EU.
i watched this movie at the perfect time i watched a documentary about a woman (stacey dooley) who stays with families and one was a LDS family and one of their sons was about to go on a mission it gave me a lot of context that i didn’t know id need lol.
I have not seen Heretic yet, so I'll come back to this later. Just wanted to tell you your channel came across my FYP and I sampled a few videos; I subscribed. I see a lot of potential in you. Hang in there, I truly believe you are a 100K subs channel in the making.
I got this vibe too. So many critics are soulless but she has a lot of intelligence and soul as well, this was probably her easiest movie review but if she talks about faith or whatever I think it will be good. Please like the video if you want to see this channel blow up.
I'm not LDS, I'm Church of England, and I really enjoyed this movie. For once it's wonderful to see a religious horror film that doesn't focus on Catholicism. TBH being a missionary sounds terrifying, there is no way I'm going into stranger's homes as a woman, even with a companion. I think anyone who has any religious belief has had that conversation with themselves or with others: "What do I believe? Why do I believe it? How do I reconcile that faiths apart from mine have very similar figures/stories, but I am deciding that MY interpretation is right?" I don't know about other parts of the world but here in the UK we do religious studies at school that tends to focus on Christianity and but does cover other religions as well. I LOVED this film, I thought it was very well done, it was very tense throughout, I was routing for the protagonists and Hugh Grant makes a spectacular villain. He hammed it up for his role as the baddie in Paddington 2, but here he is truly sinister. Excellent performances all around. I loved the way the Sisters were able to deconstruct Mr Reid's arguments and use logic to see through a miracle. If anyone has a crisis of faith due to watching this film, I'm going to suggest they may have been struggling to begin with. The prayer thing - while I understand where you're coming from when you say the girls would be praying constantly in this situation, you have to remember it's a movie. You can't grind to a halt every few minutes so the Sisters can fall to their knees and pray. Something you didn't mention (maybe for SPOILERS) is that both the Belief and Disbelief doors lead to the same place, so as far as doors go, it doesn't make a difference which one they chose. I don't know if the movie was trying to say something with this, but it is there. I have questions about Sister Barnes at the end, still not sure what happened there, but overall I really liked the film and its stance on belief.
I find it interesting how most of the Mormons (as individuals) I have seen discuss this movie do so quite favorably, talking about how the movie made them feel seen and heard and is quite accurate to the Mormon missionary experience, and yet it's the church itself as an institution coming out vehemently against the movie and protesting it. This kind of thing proves a point the movie was trying to make I feel, about spirituality and religion as a practice not being a bad thing, yet criticizing religion as an institution.
I've read the book of mormon, as well as the bible. Both were fundamental in my eventual abandonment of religion & every other form of magical thinking. Want to keep missionaries safe? Maybe don't send them door to door peddling fantasy? 😕
exactly, I will never understant why in this era of science and technology so many people still believe in these fairy tales. Makes for good horror movies at least.
They don’t believe it’s a fantasy, it’s real to them because they’ve experienced and felt things which to them are proof it’s real. You may not have had that same experience and that’s fine. But don’t knock on someone’s beliefs
@ you Can experience something independently and unconsciously atribute it to a higher power to validate your belief but it really isn’t. I agree that there may be a being or some beings out there in the galaxy higher than us that we’d call God but its almost impossible that they interacted with us in the way these ancient texts record. Can’t be proven either way but there’s such things as common sense.
@@byuftbl Whether they believe it's a fantasy or not is irrelevant. There were things I believed I'd "experienced" that were most definitely not what I was attributing them to. Just because you believe a thing & it's "real to you" doesn't make it _actually real._ It's basically the same as claiming "alternate facts"-- there is no such thing. Beliefs without evidence are entitled to no immunity. If a belief can't withstand critique & scrutiny, & validate itself based on its own claims, then it must be discarded.
I think people care about the underwear because of what they lore is behind them. We've all seen videos about what they mean whether actual Mormons know or not
I'm a Protestant Christian who came to faith in my mid-late 20"s I thought this movie was excellent, probably my 1st or 2nd favorite movie of the year. I thought it was incredibly fair to both those who believe and those who don't. My favorite scene is after he does his whole about Monopoly and music iteration, how sister Barnes takes his points apart. He doesn't respond, which shows he wasn't interested in the truth, he was interested in control
@ it’s funny because I came across your channel organically and didn’t have to look it up. You should do a video on the ‘Under the Banner of Heaven’ series or even ‘Murder Among the Mormons’. I’d love to help out on the research for those
November 23, 2024 at 4:40 pm was the time I decided to go to Heretic and review this controversial movie for myself. However, an interesting intervention of the divine kind, if you will, happened. After the trailers, which had sound and everything was fine, the movie started and there was no sound. After 5 minutes of no sound, someone finally told staff. Staff came in a few minutes later and told everyone they couldn't get the sound to work and offered us all a refund. I immediately though it was because heavenly Father interrupted the film so I, an active Latter Day Saint who struggles from time to time with a few church standards that I won't get into, couldn't be influenced by the darkness surrounding sister missionaries being subjected to such a scary situation. You decide. I still haven't seen the film.
The message of this movie: There will always be someone to test your faith. If your faith is strong, you can prove them wrong. Sister Paxton was my favorite & stole the show for me. She was genuinely bubbly & fun!🙏🥰🌟 Mr. Reed: "With great power, comes great responsibility." Sister Paxton: "Spider-Man!"😂
That’s not the message at all. And Paxton personality is a facade of “Keep Sweet”, always being polite and agreable, even when deep inside she knew they were in great trouble. Mr Reed, representing control, saw that Barnes was way too defiant, he noticed the birth control implant, he noticed how she acted and answered, and so he decided he would kill her. On the other hand, Paxton was the perfect sweet victim he could use to control. But he was wrong! And that’s why his plan didn’t work and she killed him. This movie is all about control, about manipulation.
Thank you for sharing your insights on prayers. If Terrence Malick had directed Heretic, I imagine him infusing his signature inner dialogue, evident in the sisters’ prayers for guidance and assistance.
Loved the movie. The movie questioned all religions but did it on a way that was wouldn’t be offensive necessarily or off putting to any person of faith. I’m not Mormon, but watched it from the perspective as a Catholic, which he also happened to question in the movie.
I want to say arguments against faith are useful like if you watch this on a classroom or hanging out, have a Q&A and talk about the points Hugh Grants character brings up don't fast forward through them. Talk about them if you have a responsible adult very wise in The Bible or faith then it will go well. Its like in MMA you always want to fight someone as skilled or more, so some person IRL might come up to you and say what Hugh Grant said and you might stutter in shock as he took you aback and that can ruin your faith because the man now has you in his grasp and can take away your spirit. Being prepared for that will make you able to possibly even convert them into your faith. edit: I mean with The MMA comment you practice objections to Mormonism and say faith breaking things to each other and think of arguments against the objections however if you never did that your faith will be weak. Sorry to get long winded but I thought that when you said fast forward
May I ask what are usually the doubts missionaries have? and how crucial are they to the core and fundamentals of their mission as well as their faith, such as is their doubts in whether Jesus was resurrected, is it more essential or is it the doubt on whether they should keep having faith not just in their faith but faith in humanity, that the human beings on this planet are worth fighting for and spreading the message and that it's not a waste of time?
Sure, I think it varies completely person to person, it can be anything. Something from the movie that i thought really illustrated what it’s like to question your faith is when sister paxton expresses doubt that prayer works, but then decides to pray anyway. Also, Mr Reed brings up tons of questions about the church, God, and Jesus, and the missionaries don’t have all the answers to his questions. However they choose not to trust him because, well, he’s terrifying and dangerous, and they instead keep their faith since it is something that brings them comfort and peace. If you’re looking at the movie from a different perspective and deciding to view mr reed as an allegory for religion itself, you could say that the missionaries questioning Mr Reed and pointing out flaws in his logic is symbolic of them questioning their faith.
As an American evangelical who is just barely clinging to what is left of my faith I found the movie incredibly intriguing, but I also disagree with part of its premise - that you can choose whether or not to believe. I've considered atheism, even tried to stop believing, but I simply can't. I have a good friend who is a former Mormon turned atheist, and I don't think he could change his mind either, at least not willingly. I think belief and disbelief aren't isolated choices, but the result of hundreds if not thousands of decisions we make every day
This was a great review and prior to this I was closed to the idea of watching and contributing to a movie that spreads a great deal of misinformation about our church, but I'm a little more open to it now.
At the beginning I talk about how she's on the cast of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, that's all you really need to know---if you don't know anything about that show though you might be confused haha 😅
I watched this movie Friday in Yuma, and it stuck with me afterward while I went shopping for household goods. Then, in the parking lot, it suddenly struck me that Mr. Reed is a polygamist, which ties in to things he'd said to the two Sisters about their (your) church's history. --
Polygamist Reed's "wives" were caged in the basement, trapped like all polygamist wives are. He was analogous to Joseph Smith seeking the "true religion". "Going down into to the basement with the Three layered "Hell" paralleled Mormonism's Three Degrees of Glory. Both doors of false beluef and athiesm lead to Hell. This is a twisted pro-Mormon film produced and written by Mormons. DON'T waste your money on it. Mormon street rexruuters [erroneously called "missionaries"] aren't "victims". They are salesmen going out to entice naive people into a soul-destroying cult with a false prophet which Revelations states will take them into a lake of fire. Mormons are deceptive street recruiters sucking naive people into a cult which will destroy their lives, cause psychological damage, and rip out their souls. Spread the word that Christians and pastors are boycotting the film leads people to doubt their faith and tread down path to athiesm---JUST AS MORMONISM does. That is why Mormonism is called an Athiest Factory. The "Mormon garment scene" made it appear that they were only being harrassed---It didn't show the garnent's occultic symbols or the bizarre Mormon ritual where Mormons are commanded by Satan to put on an green apron symbolic of Satan's power and precepts. The nitwit MORMON host of this podcast knows nothing about film---or true Mormonism. I am an ex-Mormon who has done 50 years of research on the Mormon cult. I also have a PhD in Film. I have been a film critic, and seen hundreds of films. Take my word for it.--- This film sucks. Join the boycott and warn people about it.
I just wish they went deeper into Mormon history. All they mentioned was Fanny Algar: the 16 year old Joseph, a full grown man, was caught in a barn with (way before any of his polygamy revelations). They could have mentioned blood atonement: how Mormons used to teach you had to murder some sinners so their blood could add to Jesus's sacrifice. They could have mentioned how Brigham taught slavery was a divine institution and any who fought it were fighting against God. They could have mentioned Zina: the wife of a man that Brigham sent on a mission, a mother with two kids, who after sending the husband on a mission Brigham told her that god wanted the two of them to have intercourse. And Brigham Young impregnated the man's wife while he was on a mission. They could have mentioned LDS people believe Native Americans are taught by Mormons to be cursed with black skin people from Jerusalem--despite DNA proving native Americans have asiatic descent. So much Hugh's character could have mentioned that was forgotten. Could have talked about Book of Abraham and how that was proven to be a huge fraud. All the Bible verses that warn how much power false versions of Christianity would have in the last days.... so much more!
I agree...."The Heretic"was a hokey silly film which did not tell the Truth about Mormonism. But don't worry, my screenwriter friend [a former Mormon, now anti-Mormon] are writing a script about her terrifying ordeal which will expose ALL the sick Mormon beliefs and practices... Including their brainwashing tactics and their hideous practice of Bishop Shaming which screwed up a big 400 pound missionary's head so bad he morphed into a monstrous brute who psychologically, emotionally, and sexually abused her---and then the Mormon PR Machine went to extremes in a cover up to garner positive publicity which would save their pious Mormon Mormon Image by assassination of her character with "fake news" and a well orchestrated international press HOAX that SHE raped HIM. [She was a tiny petite 112 pound GIRL a wholesome virgin so beautful and talented that she ran for Miss USA. And HE was a huge 6'5" 400 pound brute. Her saga, a startling TRUE story which exploded in international headlines will blow the Mormon "church" apart by exposing the abnormal incidence of Mormon Sexual Abuse the way the Oscar-winning film "Spotlight" exposed sexual abuse by Catholic priests in children! Did you know the website floodlit.org documents 146 cases of Sexual Abuse by Mormon missionaries and return missionaries---ALL who were subjected to Bishop Shaming during "Worthiness Interviews" ---so there is a direct connection!) My outspoken friend and i are screenwriters. She is a former Mormon and in the 70s was a campus rabble rouser as a teacher at BYU --- who protested their discrimination against minorities and their non-Biblical "scriptures" . They called her "The Erin Brockovich of Mormonism" and "The Gloria Steinem of BYU". When HER true story comes out, Mormonism is going to go down Big Time. And don't worry my friend, WE won't leave ANYTHING out!
I’m no longer a member of the Church, but I did serve a full time mission, was married in the temple and had lots of callings, mostly ward or stake missionary. I thought the movie was well thought out and was pretty accurate to the Church, but there were a few errors as well like Elder Kennedy going out to look for the sisters without a companion (ward or stake missionaries don’t go by Elder but rather brother), and Sister Paxton said she would want to come back as a butterfly when reincarnation is not part of LDS theology. Also, if I were to try and dissuade missionaries from their faith I wouldn’t stop at polygamy and Joseph Smith’s affair with Fanny Alger but would also bring up the fact that The Book of Abraham is not a literal translation of the papyrus. Anyway, it was a good film.
I don't mean to be rude but the bazilians only gave you atention because you're an imigrant. Usually they don't pay much atention to the mormons missionares
Hahha so the reason was because the theatre was completely full and we were some of the last ones to enter, so it was the only seats left (If someone had come in who needed the seat I would have given it up in an instant and sat on the floor or something) There was also a whole row of handicapped seats so there were still some left for anyone who needed it.
Mr. Reed: How do you know its true? Me: Acts 2:17 Mr. Reed: How do you know the Bible is True. Me: Its never been proven untrue. I have a question for you Mr. Reed. What is the universe? Mr. Reed: you tell me, religions belief in heaven. Me: GOD.
Yes I get the teachings about sex but I wonder why neither of the girls thought of using their sexuality to save themselves. While it goes against what they were raised to believe being a WOMAN you use what women have been using since Adam and Eve to survive. I really wanted to see his reaction if one of them decided to come on to him to change his attitude.
really enjoyed your review. you helped me pinpoint why this disappointing, but well crafted horror film had such impact on me-- you found it relatable as did i . in my youth i was a "greenie" in my own particular church, so to speak, and i locked into those characters and found them highly compelling. this could have had so much more depth. his character was less developed, and the writing really went nowhere. all of the acting was very good. i really would have loved it had it gone somewhere with sister barnes. i found her the most compelling and i would have love to have seen her overcome some great ordeal. felt like a flat tire on a wonderful bike ride. and there is no point in witholding spoilers when the characters pretty much say what you're supposed to be thinking. seems like the writing comes from a pretentious and self aggrandizing standpoint as well. i've seen a lot of horror movies that kill their more compelling premises by someone who is more motivated by seeking the praise of their art than to tell an engaging, meaningful story with satisfying story arc. thank you for your valuable comments.
I guess bc the talk about p*rnstars and c*ndms gave them a false start of their day and forgot to pray. How about that? Only until Paxton was dying, she began praying and got a miracle with the timely resurrection of Barnes, what mr. Reed prophesized and at that point he lost control finally.
Wait Mormons are real
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I mean I think so, I do exist, so...?
If you have not seen a Mormon please leave your door lights on and put up something in your window that makes you look a little spiritually lost like a Weeknd album cover or something, you'll see one magically within minutes.
@@RuddFoxxA Weeknd album cover 😂😂😂
of course, you are also 3d print yourself a Mormon, and put it on your shelf
Watching the movie I was like “y'all STILL haven't prayed yet!?” that part was unrealistic. They would've prayed way sooner.
I'm an atheist and if crazy Hugh Grant locked me in a cellar I would be praying to all the gods from Apollo to Zeus.
Heretic is a really solid movie, and I'd suggest it to anyone who appreciates horror and philosophy. SPOILERS AHEAD!!! I would argue that it's a fairly pro-faith movie overall. In fact, the title "Heretic" really refers to sister Paxton, as she is a true heretic while within his materialistic "temple". Even the ending is a demonstration of her religious "free will" over his predeterministic materialism. He asserts his Marxist (and necessarily atheistic) power struggle over her to show her that, as he puts it, control is the only true religion. If you've listened to many atheist thinkers, like Sam Harris, they tend to assert that humans have no free will. The villain shows her that he had predetermined her fate the moment she entered his home. He shows her that he had completely removed her free will by being more clever than she was. At the end of the movie he proves to her (and to himself, honestly) that he's completely right about his ability to control her. He has proven his point: God does not exist and she has no free will... except she does. She proves this by retaining her agency and completely surprising him with a knife in the throat. The point is driven home when they end up in the room of "fake miracles", where a real miracle takes place. And I know you had a problem with how few prayers were spoken in the movie, but the point of that was to highlight the point of prayer in that scene. She knew she had no where else to go, and instead of praying for God to save her, she selflessly prayed for the man trying to kill her (as the Bible would suggest). There's plenty more I could talk about with this movie, but I know I've left an egregious wall of text already. It was interesting hearing your perspective on this movie, and I'm glad you enjoyed it =)
Wow you are spot on!! You put into words exactly how I felt about this movie. It’s weird to me how people are interpreting this film as anti-religion given everything you said. I definitely resonate most with your interpretation-that being said, I think everyone is going to let their own bias obscure the way they see the film (including me). The more I think about it the more I think it was made that way intentionally.
To me the movie feels like a general critique of religious beliefs in general written as a psychological thriller horror story. Some points (such as how new religions are iterations of older ones, much like updated versions of Monopoly or remixed songs) are well made, but they are presented by a controlling, manipulative villain, which weakens their impact. Ultimately, what saves Sister Paxton isn’t just her faith but also critical thinking skills such as the ability to see Mr. Reed’s staged "miracles" as mere magic tricks. The film, as I see it, is filled with subliminal messages, often conveyed through contradictions and philosophical crossroads.
Wow! Marxism was never about "Individual Power Struggle", but a lot of other things, but mainly "Class Struggle". Individuals alone has no real role is changing things is Marxist Theory. Neo-Marxist Theory on the other hand challenged that concept (Suggestion Joseph Stiglitz and Thomas Piketty) I recommend you to go back Sociology 101 - Marx - Weber - Durkheim, and I really recommend you to read Das Kapital (All of It) Everyone talks about "Marxism", no one really reads Marx... How funny isn´t it?
You are projecting your biased views about attributes of atheists onto Mr. Reed. Nowhere in the film was it even directly implied that he is even an atheist, much less "Marxist". Nor are there any hints of "predeterministic materialism". Only that he has a cynical view of organized religion and is an insane person who is a murderer and keeps people in cages in his basement.
nice breakdown
As an atheist I posit that he’s not really an atheist. He does criticize religion but just made up his own lore in its place. No sane or rational atheist would ever go down this rabbit hole. Some more conservative religious people tend to ascribe some malicious intent behind it, but End of the day, we simply don’t believe in an all knowing diety. There is no religious practice in its place and that’s the point. I guess I just checked out after I was confirmed Methodist but this movie rightly brought up some valid criticisms of religion
Yes- he was in no way an Atheist! He made a quest for faith (as sick as it became) the centerpiece of his entire life.
@@jstall20 As an Atheist, my POV is that many atheist still nurture metaphysical beliefs, and this don't make them less Atheist (Again any "True Thing" Questioning will fall in The True Scottishman Fallacy). Putting things into Categories is Part of the Human Nature, also is, failling to do it correctly. Even the Concepts of Categories/Categorization are
controversial in Psychology/Philosophy
Teaching missionaries how to stay safe and use common sense better than Safety Zone ever did.
hmmm, his assurance that his wife was in the other room while you're standing in a storm would have totally worked on me.
I’m not a member never have been but I do hope real missionaries are all safe and well
Im an Ex-mormon who is very interested in this movie, I'm glad the film gave the mormon characters a fair shake (at least when compared to a lot of other media).
When you said "mormons study a lot", I felt that in my bones. I left the church when I was fairly young, but the thing that I don't think I'll ever forget is how I had to study all the time. My experience isn't necessarily comparitive to other people's experience, but I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one.
Alyssa Grenfell did a great breakdown of this movie on youtube. It was over an hour long. I appreciate it your views on it too.
Hers is how I went down this wormhole. So good.
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Your take is an interesting contrast to Alyssa Greenfell's reactio. She's an ex-Mormon.
It's fascinating how you two basically present the same facts but disagree on the interpretation.
Would love the two of you do a joint episode.
I think you two might have an interesting conversation.
Believing and not believing have no consequence. His control is what matters, either door leads to the same place. All that changes is his response.
I have a cousin that was a Mormon missionary for two years. In Salt Lake City Utah. He told the family all about it. I find the Mormon church interesting. I have not seen The Heretic yet. I have plans to see it with a friend. I'm enjoying your channel. Thank you for talking about the movies. Thank you for telling us about missionaries. What it is like to be one. I like visiting the Temple in Maryland. At Christmas time. It looks beautiful. I like your video.
I love hearing about this movie from the eyes of faithful Latter-day Saints. I live in Utah so anytime Mormonism is under the eyes of Hollywood, I get to hear everybody go crazy yet again. Love hearing your perspective, especially since you were once a Sister missionary.
This came up on my feed but I want to mention how impactful Mormons have been in my life. I had some missionaries over my house and they prayed for me. I wouldn’t pray with them but they prayed for me. It opened my heart and I joined a Christian church. I’ve been so strong in my faith now for 10 years now.
I think Mormons are incredible people, most are upstanding citizens. I think y’all are very educated in your beliefs and passionate about faith. You guys hold a special place in my heart so thanks!
That's such a beautiful story! I'm sure those missionaries who prayed with you would be so happy for you now. It's always wonderful to see another person of faith, and I'm glad we've made such a positive impact in your life. God bless!
I love how open-minded you are. I was raised Roman Catholic, converted to Orthodox Judaism in my early 40s, and finally found my spiritual home ten years ago in Hinduism (I spend a lot of my year in India). I have a PhD in the history of religion, so yeah, my entire life and intellectual/spiritual evolution has centered on the two doors- Belief or Disbelief. Belief was always my choice, but I wanted to respect ALL choices. Whenever Mormon missionaries came to my home, I explained to them that I was already a believer in God (who takes different forms in different cultures), but that I greatly respected their work. Missionaries often have a look of hopeful joy on their faces; they are the best advertisement for the faith! You have that same look of hopeful joy, and this world needs more of that! Thank you for the content.
If more people were as respectful and kind as you the world would be a better place. So wonderful to hear that you have found your spiritual home! :)
I like all of these non hateful comments and just genuine experiences they’ve had with members of the LDS church. Thanks for this video
Your review is the best and most balanced I’ve seen. I’m very impressed, especially with that plug at the end!
I'm kind of scared of Mormons if I'm being perfectly honest. There's a Mormon family that lives across the street from me, and they seem nice, but are they really? Who knows. I'm scared to go talk to them and stuff. Like what do they eat, what do they do for fun, and stuff like that. You are helping me understand them more thanks to your channel.
Hahaha, I’m glad to help! Don’t be scared, we don’t bite :)
I grew up with Mormons my whole life and they're generally nice. They can sometimes play a "white savior complex" but nothing crazy.
What i find astonishing about mormons, is that though founded on shaky beginnings, they still have faith that is pretty unheard of in many religions around the world. Even the jewish rabbis have accepted that the isrealites were never in egypt as slaves, and moses may have conjoured a tall tale to help the jewish faith grow. And thats okay, whatever helps a person to surrender thier ego and become a better person.
Fellow Latter-day Saint here who just returned from his mission. Thanks for the video and good job with the info!
Congrats!! An entire mission is no small feat. Glad you enjoyed😁
My take away. Whether a person believe or disbelieve, both doors open to a path that leads to being controlled.
Horror is the correct genre for a movie that is a metaphor for the last days.
I mean this respectfully I am an ex Jehovah witnesses. I talk to ex JW all the time and ex Mormons. Anyone reading if you ever leave the Mormon church or the JWs please rewatch this. This movie will hit differently and hit harder. Rewatch it you will get the full effect of the movie because we all know how it’s like to fully believe in a faith to not believing at all. I know this is a movie about Mormon missionaries but this also applies to JWs. If anyone reading this ever leaves their faith please please watch it again you will thank me.
interesting...I don't think belief is a choice however. I believe things that I find convincing, things that are supported by enough evidence to be believed, things that explain and connect to the reality I experience the best...I don't really have a choice in that.
HAHA yes thank you for featuring my stalker story 🙂↕️
Love your videos!! And loved serving with you as well!
Yep credits to you for being stalked 😂 Thanks for commenting, loved serving with you too!!
Wait a minute... "Stalker story"? Please, tell me you are referring to this crazy Ukrainian videogame and not actual stalking. At the very least, I hope it is the videogame. Otherwise, wow... I am so sorry this ever happened to you. :(
Update: I have just realised you mentioned some stalking in your video from yesterday. Wow, I will pray for you, uhm... What is your name?😅🙏
love the review, great points made clarifying things. I'm also a member and liked the movie, there were some silly mistakes, and was fun in general.
agreed! glad you liked the review :)
Love this video, thank you for educating me ❤
I think we need more movies with Mormons & Mormon culture in them. In this era we always talk about representation & Mormons are no exception to that. No stereotypes or disrespect just take is what interesting & see how it works in a horror, comedy, sci-fi, etc.
I would love more stuff like that!! 😁
I really liked your review! It was naturally well balanced and genuine. I see what you meant by prayers, etc., but again, all companionships and missions are different! Wonderful nonetheless. And I love the end of your vid 😂
My bestfriend in highschool was a Mormon, had 2 brothers who went on missions to Colorado. He ran as far as possible ( to the other side of the country as soon as he graduated high school ). his parents were extremely nice to me every time I was over though. His mom tried teaching me about Jesus one time but I told her I was good and she was really cool about it.
(Spoiler warning) Thanks for posting this. I really enjoyed hearing a review from someone who was a practicing Mormon and went into detail about mission work. I found the ending where Sister Barnes was praying and Mr. Reed was crawling to her for comfort. While an atheist myself, I still find others faith moving. This varies if the person uses it to be a better person or as an excuse to manipulate or control others or to do what they want to do anyway, I think the majority of the people it is the former. In other words are you listening to your higher power. The film challenges you to think about what you believe and why. It isn't a black and white view point. I am seeing it a second time next week and have been watching different takes on the film.
I enjoy a good religious debate, so, for me, the film worked extremely well.
Great video, Gwowls!!
Thanks Rick!! 😁
"She wanted to see me after all" lmao exactly!
Fire video as always 🔥
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Even though I'm an Orthodox Christian (for those of you who don't know, in summary - the Orthodox Church is basically like the Catholic Church in doctrine and practices but without the centralized Pope figure and is less known to the western world), and even though the Orthodox Church and LDS Church are not even similar in doctrine and practices, the Mormon missionaries I met in my city (and I met a handful) have become some of my dearest friends, and I never experienced anything bad, rude, judgemental, or anything similar from their side. Our conversations never turned into deep, theological debates, but rather stayed at the "we agree to disagree" level, and we always discussed faith and religion lightly.
To make the long story short, the point is - I have mixed feelings about this movie, both from a standpoint of a pious Christian person, but also because of my personal experiences with the missionaries, which were always positive, and I hate when they're represented as dumb or brainwashed in movies, musicals etc. I just think the movie is too atheist-focused and could've included a bit more debate (just like that once scene where Sister Barnes rebukes some of the points Mr Reed raised about Jesus)
What do you consider "Western World"? Greece is almost synonymous with Western civilization and Bulgaria (albeit not that religious, thankfully), both are in the EU.
i watched this movie at the perfect time i watched a documentary about a woman (stacey dooley) who stays with families and one was a LDS family and one of their sons was about to go on a mission it gave me a lot of context that i didn’t know id need lol.
That freeze frame ending was A1 😂
I have not seen Heretic yet, so I'll come back to this later. Just wanted to tell you your channel came across my FYP and I sampled a few videos; I subscribed. I see a lot of potential in you. Hang in there, I truly believe you are a 100K subs channel in the making.
Thank you for the encouragement! ☺
I got this vibe too. So many critics are soulless but she has a lot of intelligence and soul as well, this was probably her easiest movie review but if she talks about faith or whatever I think it will be good. Please like the video if you want to see this channel blow up.
I'm not LDS, I'm Church of England, and I really enjoyed this movie. For once it's wonderful to see a religious horror film that doesn't focus on Catholicism. TBH being a missionary sounds terrifying, there is no way I'm going into stranger's homes as a woman, even with a companion. I think anyone who has any religious belief has had that conversation with themselves or with others: "What do I believe? Why do I believe it? How do I reconcile that faiths apart from mine have very similar figures/stories, but I am deciding that MY interpretation is right?" I don't know about other parts of the world but here in the UK we do religious studies at school that tends to focus on Christianity and but does cover other religions as well. I LOVED this film, I thought it was very well done, it was very tense throughout, I was routing for the protagonists and Hugh Grant makes a spectacular villain. He hammed it up for his role as the baddie in Paddington 2, but here he is truly sinister. Excellent performances all around. I loved the way the Sisters were able to deconstruct Mr Reid's arguments and use logic to see through a miracle. If anyone has a crisis of faith due to watching this film, I'm going to suggest they may have been struggling to begin with. The prayer thing - while I understand where you're coming from when you say the girls would be praying constantly in this situation, you have to remember it's a movie. You can't grind to a halt every few minutes so the Sisters can fall to their knees and pray. Something you didn't mention (maybe for SPOILERS) is that both the Belief and Disbelief doors lead to the same place, so as far as doors go, it doesn't make a difference which one they chose. I don't know if the movie was trying to say something with this, but it is there. I have questions about Sister Barnes at the end, still not sure what happened there, but overall I really liked the film and its stance on belief.
The Mormon religion is wild 😅
To be fair all religion is wild when viewed through a lens of unbelief. And atheism to a believer could be seen as a wild view also.
RM here -- I also enjoyed the film overall, but also was thinking most missionaries would be praying like crazy in this scenario.
I just thought it was weird how when the Elder go check on the sisters it was only one of them like where’s his companion..
He was probably watching The Acolyte.
I find it interesting how most of the Mormons (as individuals) I have seen discuss this movie do so quite favorably, talking about how the movie made them feel seen and heard and is quite accurate to the Mormon missionary experience, and yet it's the church itself as an institution coming out vehemently against the movie and protesting it. This kind of thing proves a point the movie was trying to make I feel, about spirituality and religion as a practice not being a bad thing, yet criticizing religion as an institution.
Where did you go on your mission?
I've read the book of mormon, as well as the bible. Both were fundamental in my eventual abandonment of religion & every other form of magical thinking. Want to keep missionaries safe? Maybe don't send them door to door peddling fantasy? 😕
exactly, I will never understant why in this era of science and technology so many people still believe in these fairy tales. Makes for good horror movies at least.
They don’t believe it’s a fantasy, it’s real to them because they’ve experienced and felt things which to them are proof it’s real.
You may not have had that same experience and that’s fine. But don’t knock on someone’s beliefs
@ you Can experience something independently and unconsciously atribute it to a higher power to validate your belief but it really isn’t. I agree that there may be a being or some beings out there in the galaxy higher than us that we’d call God but its almost impossible that they interacted with us in the way these ancient texts record. Can’t be proven either way but there’s such things as common sense.
@@byuftbl Whether they believe it's a fantasy or not is irrelevant. There were things I believed I'd "experienced" that were most definitely not what I was attributing them to. Just because you believe a thing & it's "real to you" doesn't make it _actually real._ It's basically the same as claiming "alternate facts"-- there is no such thing. Beliefs without evidence are entitled to no immunity. If a belief can't withstand critique & scrutiny, & validate itself based on its own claims, then it must be discarded.
both the actors were former members of the lds church according to the marketing
Everyone is entitled to their faith, but international "missionary work" is just American cultural imperialism.
Yes but it's inevitable. Look what Islam did to North Africa and some parts of Asia. Tragic loss of culture.
I believe in the Great Pumpkin 🎃. 😳
I think people care about the underwear because of what they lore is behind them. We've all seen videos about what they mean whether actual Mormons know or not
I'm a Protestant Christian who came to faith in my mid-late 20"s
I thought this movie was excellent, probably my 1st or 2nd favorite movie of the year. I thought it was incredibly fair to both those who believe and those who don't.
My favorite scene is after he does his whole about Monopoly and music iteration, how sister Barnes takes his points apart. He doesn't respond, which shows he wasn't interested in the truth, he was interested in control
Yooooo!!!! Sister!!!! What’s going on?!?! Genuinely loved the video and your style. Will sub and keep updated on the channel
Well well well look who it is, welcome to the Gwowls channel James Trent 😁
@ it’s funny because I came across your channel organically and didn’t have to look it up. You should do a video on the ‘Under the Banner of Heaven’ series or even ‘Murder Among the Mormons’. I’d love to help out on the research for those
Now...Let´s talk about Polygamy!
OH LOL
November 23, 2024 at 4:40 pm was the time I decided to go to Heretic and review this controversial movie for myself. However, an interesting intervention of the divine kind, if you will, happened. After the trailers, which had sound and everything was fine, the movie started and there was no sound. After 5 minutes of no sound, someone finally told staff. Staff came in a few minutes later and told everyone they couldn't get the sound to work and offered us all a refund. I immediately though it was because heavenly Father interrupted the film so I, an active Latter Day Saint who struggles from time to time with a few church standards that I won't get into, couldn't be influenced by the darkness surrounding sister missionaries being subjected to such a scary situation. You decide. I still haven't seen the film.
The message of this movie:
There will always be someone to test your faith. If your faith is strong, you can prove them wrong.
Sister Paxton was my favorite & stole the show for me. She was genuinely bubbly & fun!🙏🥰🌟
Mr. Reed:
"With great power, comes great responsibility."
Sister Paxton: "Spider-Man!"😂
That last line was the most accurate part of the whole movie I literally would have said the same thing 😂
@Gwowls I can't remember where Mr. Reed actually stated that quote was from. But wasn't from Spider-Man🤭😅
That’s not the message at all. And Paxton personality is a facade of “Keep Sweet”, always being polite and agreable, even when deep inside she knew they were in great trouble. Mr Reed, representing control, saw that Barnes was way too defiant, he noticed the birth control implant, he noticed how she acted and answered, and so he decided he would kill her. On the other hand, Paxton was the perfect sweet victim he could use to control. But he was wrong! And that’s why his plan didn’t work and she killed him. This movie is all about control, about manipulation.
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I have Sister Barns's skirt. And I wear it to church. LOL!
Thank you for sharing your insights on prayers. If Terrence Malick had directed Heretic, I imagine him infusing his signature inner dialogue, evident in the sisters’ prayers for guidance and assistance.
Loved the movie. The movie questioned all religions but did it on a way that was wouldn’t be offensive necessarily or off putting to any person of faith. I’m not Mormon, but watched it from the perspective as a Catholic, which he also happened to question in the movie.
I want to say arguments against faith are useful like if you watch this on a classroom or hanging out, have a Q&A and talk about the points Hugh Grants character brings up don't fast forward through them. Talk about them if you have a responsible adult very wise in The Bible or faith then it will go well.
Its like in MMA you always want to fight someone as skilled or more, so some person IRL might come up to you and say what Hugh Grant said and you might stutter in shock as he took you aback and that can ruin your faith because the man now has you in his grasp and can take away your spirit. Being prepared for that will make you able to possibly even convert them into your faith.
edit: I mean with The MMA comment you practice objections to Mormonism and say faith breaking things to each other and think of arguments against the objections however if you never did that your faith will be weak.
Sorry to get long winded but I thought that when you said fast forward
May I ask what are usually the doubts missionaries have? and how crucial are they to the core and fundamentals of their mission as well as their faith, such as is their doubts in whether Jesus was resurrected, is it more essential or is it the doubt on whether they should keep having faith not just in their faith but faith in humanity, that the human beings on this planet are worth fighting for and spreading the message and that it's not a waste of time?
Sure, I think it varies completely person to person, it can be anything. Something from the movie that i thought really illustrated what it’s like to question your faith is when sister paxton expresses doubt that prayer works, but then decides to pray anyway. Also, Mr Reed brings up tons of questions about the church, God, and Jesus, and the missionaries don’t have all the answers to his questions. However they choose not to trust him because, well, he’s terrifying and dangerous, and they instead keep their faith since it is something that brings them comfort and peace.
If you’re looking at the movie from a different perspective and deciding to view mr reed as an allegory for religion itself, you could say that the missionaries questioning Mr Reed and pointing out flaws in his logic is symbolic of them questioning their faith.
As an American evangelical who is just barely clinging to what is left of my faith I found the movie incredibly intriguing, but I also disagree with part of its premise - that you can choose whether or not to believe. I've considered atheism, even tried to stop believing, but I simply can't. I have a good friend who is a former Mormon turned atheist, and I don't think he could change his mind either, at least not willingly. I think belief and disbelief aren't isolated choices, but the result of hundreds if not thousands of decisions we make every day
7/10 movie for me. Glad there wasn't any swearing or major violence. Kind of reminded me of Barbarian. Not as good as Saint Maud.
No major violence?I disagree.
I love how excited you were to see the movie 😊
This was a great review and prior to this I was closed to the idea of watching and contributing to a movie that spreads a great deal of misinformation about our church, but I'm a little more open to it now.
Are we supposed to know who Whitney is?
At the beginning I talk about how she's on the cast of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, that's all you really need to know---if you don't know anything about that show though you might be confused haha 😅
You're still an awesome missionary, great job!
Kadence and I just watched the movie and we think your review is so good.
Aww fun!! Hope you guys are doing well 😊
I watched this movie Friday in Yuma, and it stuck with me afterward while I went shopping for household goods. Then, in the parking lot, it suddenly struck me that Mr. Reed is a polygamist, which ties in to things he'd said to the two Sisters about their (your) church's history.
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Polygamist Reed's "wives" were caged in the basement, trapped like all polygamist wives are. He was analogous to Joseph Smith seeking the "true religion". "Going down into to the basement with the Three layered "Hell" paralleled Mormonism's Three Degrees of Glory. Both doors of false beluef and athiesm lead to Hell.
This is a twisted pro-Mormon film produced and written by Mormons. DON'T waste your money on it. Mormon street rexruuters [erroneously called "missionaries"] aren't "victims". They are salesmen going out to entice naive people into a soul-destroying cult with a false prophet which Revelations states will take them into a lake of fire. Mormons are deceptive street recruiters sucking naive people into a cult which will destroy their lives, cause psychological damage, and rip out their souls. Spread the word that Christians and pastors are boycotting the film leads people to doubt their faith and tread down path to athiesm---JUST AS MORMONISM does. That is why Mormonism is called an Athiest Factory.
The "Mormon garment scene" made it appear that they were only being harrassed---It didn't show the garnent's occultic symbols or the bizarre Mormon ritual where Mormons are commanded by Satan to put on an green apron symbolic of Satan's power and precepts. The nitwit MORMON host of this podcast knows nothing about film---or true Mormonism. I am an ex-Mormon who has done 50 years of research on the Mormon cult. I also have a PhD in Film. I have been a film critic, and seen hundreds of films. Take my word for it.--- This film sucks. Join the boycott and warn people about it.
Wait you seen normal…😮
I have been meeting Missionary Sisters since April.
White Oak Ward, Jersey Village Texas.
Very cool! Tell them hello from me 😁
I just wish they went deeper into Mormon history. All they mentioned was Fanny Algar: the 16 year old Joseph, a full grown man, was caught in a barn with (way before any of his polygamy revelations). They could have mentioned blood atonement: how Mormons used to teach you had to murder some sinners so their blood could add to Jesus's sacrifice. They could have mentioned how Brigham taught slavery was a divine institution and any who fought it were fighting against God. They could have mentioned Zina: the wife of a man that Brigham sent on a mission, a mother with two kids, who after sending the husband on a mission Brigham told her that god wanted the two of them to have intercourse. And Brigham Young impregnated the man's wife while he was on a mission. They could have mentioned LDS people believe Native Americans are taught by Mormons to be cursed with black skin people from Jerusalem--despite DNA proving native Americans have asiatic descent. So much Hugh's character could have mentioned that was forgotten. Could have talked about Book of Abraham and how that was proven to be a huge fraud. All the Bible verses that warn how much power false versions of Christianity would have in the last days.... so much more!
I agree...."The Heretic"was a hokey silly film which did not tell the Truth about Mormonism. But don't worry, my screenwriter friend [a former Mormon, now anti-Mormon] are writing a script about her terrifying ordeal which will expose ALL the sick Mormon beliefs and practices... Including their brainwashing tactics and their hideous practice of Bishop Shaming which screwed up a big 400 pound missionary's head so bad he morphed into a monstrous brute who psychologically, emotionally, and sexually abused her---and then the Mormon PR Machine went to extremes in a cover up to garner positive publicity which would save their pious Mormon Mormon Image by assassination of her character with "fake news" and a well orchestrated international press HOAX that SHE raped HIM. [She was a tiny petite 112 pound GIRL a wholesome virgin so beautful and talented that she ran for Miss USA. And HE was a huge 6'5" 400 pound brute. Her saga, a startling TRUE story which exploded in international headlines will blow the Mormon "church" apart by exposing the abnormal incidence of Mormon Sexual Abuse the way the Oscar-winning film "Spotlight" exposed sexual abuse by Catholic priests in children! Did you know the website floodlit.org documents 146 cases of Sexual Abuse by Mormon missionaries and return missionaries---ALL who were subjected to Bishop Shaming during "Worthiness Interviews" ---so there is a direct connection!)
My outspoken friend and i are screenwriters. She is a former Mormon and in the 70s was a campus rabble rouser as a teacher at BYU --- who protested their discrimination against minorities and their non-Biblical "scriptures" . They called her "The Erin Brockovich of Mormonism" and "The Gloria Steinem of BYU". When HER true story comes out, Mormonism is going to go down Big Time. And don't worry my friend, WE won't leave ANYTHING out!
Excellent and intelligent review.
I really liked this movie and am glad the algarithm brought me to your interesting review!
I'm always loved the moron tv commercials back in the 1970s
Man I’d convert just to catch a Mormon wife if they’re coming like you haha. Hope that’s not heretical. Honestly tho.
Very pretty girl I like all the Mormon women i have met its becoming harder to not convert to become one because I need a good wife in my life.
I’m no longer a member of the Church, but I did serve a full time mission, was married in the temple and had lots of callings, mostly ward or stake missionary. I thought the movie was well thought out and was pretty accurate to the Church, but there were a few errors as well like Elder Kennedy going out to look for the sisters without a companion (ward or stake missionaries don’t go by Elder but rather brother), and Sister Paxton said she would want to come back as a butterfly when reincarnation is not part of LDS theology. Also, if I were to try and dissuade missionaries from their faith I wouldn’t stop at polygamy and Joseph Smith’s affair with Fanny Alger but would also bring up the fact that The Book of Abraham is not a literal translation of the papyrus. Anyway, it was a good film.
The butterfly thing was her PERSONAL feelings not her teachings
Almost my exact thoughts on the movie good takes fr
It’s a pro faith film right at the end. Mormonism is still wrong but that’s another debate
I don't mean to be rude but the bazilians only gave you atention because you're an imigrant. Usually they don't pay much atention to the mormons missionares
"we're in the handicapped seats"
why?
Hahha so the reason was because the theatre was completely full and we were some of the last ones to enter, so it was the only seats left (If someone had come in who needed the seat I would have given it up in an instant and sat on the floor or something) There was also a whole row of handicapped seats so there were still some left for anyone who needed it.
You should watch Under The Banner Of Heaven.
Iteration monologue tho.
you're beautiful.
that fake politeness
all too familiar 💀
Perfect description of the last guy I dated 👀
@@kayligo OOP
Mr. Reed: How do you know its true?
Me: Acts 2:17
Mr. Reed: How do you know the Bible is True.
Me: Its never been proven untrue. I have a question for you Mr. Reed. What is the universe?
Mr. Reed: you tell me, religions belief in heaven.
Me: GOD.
haven't seen the movie yet but from descriptions, it seems like the right answer is to believe... buddhism!
Welcome to Utah
Wow this piece of propaganda really worked on you!
Just because she has a different opinion than you on a movie doesn’t mean she “fell for propaganda”. SMH 🤦♂️
Yes I get the teachings about sex but I wonder why neither of the girls thought of using their sexuality to save themselves. While it goes against what they were raised to believe being a WOMAN you use what women have been using since Adam and Eve to survive. I really wanted to see his reaction if one of them decided to come on to him to change his attitude.
Lol Rejected by a stalker. Ouch! glad you liked this movie btw.it was nice to see the mormons catch a win for once.
really enjoyed your review. you helped me pinpoint why this disappointing, but well crafted horror film had such impact on me-- you found it relatable as did i . in my youth i was a "greenie" in my own particular church, so to speak, and i locked into those characters and found them highly compelling. this could have had so much more depth. his character was less developed, and the writing really went nowhere. all of the acting was very good. i really would have loved it had it gone somewhere with sister barnes. i found her the most compelling and i would have love to have seen her overcome some great ordeal. felt like a flat tire on a wonderful bike ride. and there is no point in witholding spoilers when the characters pretty much say what you're supposed to be thinking. seems like the writing comes from a pretentious and self aggrandizing standpoint as well. i've seen a lot of horror movies that kill their more compelling premises by someone who is more motivated by seeking the praise of their art than to tell an engaging, meaningful story with satisfying story arc. thank you for your valuable comments.
I guess bc the talk about p*rnstars and c*ndms gave them a false start of their day and forgot to pray. How about that? Only until Paxton was dying, she began praying and got a miracle with the timely resurrection of Barnes, what mr. Reed prophesized and at that point he lost control finally.