The chaps make the really pertinent point about Ange: it's not that his football philosophy is no good per se, it's that specifically for yesterday's game - against the best team in Europe and when you have 10 first-team players out and you have to go with reserves, kids, etc - it would've made sense to take a much more cautious, hard-to-beat approach. The fact that the high-line, all-out attacking football worked against Man U and Southampton - two poor teams- did not mean that it would work against Liverpool.
But how can you be more hard to beat when you don't have good defenders playing. Dragusin is a good defender but there's a reason he isn't first choice. Died Spence is third choice as well and we have a young 18 year old CM in CB. With Forster in goal. You can't be hard to beat with these players on the pitch. And you sacrifice goals as well by playing that way. Say of we were hard to beat. The likelihood is we still lose but maybe 3-0 or 1-0 compared to 6-3 away loss is still a loss. Scoreline is irrelevant. And playing that way you don't score 3 goals against the best team in the country. How many teams have done that this season? My point being. Adapting his tactics would have made no difference to the overall result. Either way Liverpool would probably win.
@@baileyjones5744 Everton just drew with Arsenal and Chelsea in back to back weeks. Is it fun to watch?? Absolutely not. But Dyche is working with less than Ange. He was playing teams they couldn’t go head-to-head against, so he made adjustments to become hard to beat. Let’s not talk about 2 late goals after the game is over.. I understand Ange has a difficult job trying to change a culture. But, this is the Premier league. Your manager has to be able to make subtle tactical tweaks. Also, if his main strategy is to have players who can literally sprint for 90 minutes week in and week out… that’s impossible!! If Ange lasts for another couple seasons and doesn’t adapt - Spurs will remain the most injured team in the division on average. It’s inevitable. I don’t think Ange has the ability to manage in the Premier League.
I’d like to see these 10 first team players that are missing. I didn’t realise Solanke Kulu Son Madders Sarr Bissouma were our reserves. Spence may have secured a first team spot.
@@JoshuaWilliamson-s1y Ange does make adjustments just not in the ways you think he does. While other people park the bus he makes adjustments through rotation of player roles and substitutions mid game Case in point Pierre Emile Hojbjerg last season. Ange utilised him as a player to sure up the midfield and being solidity in there mid game. To say he doesn't adapt is simply not true. What he is alluding too at the moment is that he is unable to adapt. We don't have the personnel to adapt to situations mid game at the moment and you simply can't ask your backline of Gray, Dragusin, Porro and Spence to sit in and defend in a low block. These players don't know how to do that because they aren't the best defensively so how else can he simply adjust right now. Ange has coached these players to play this way for 18 months. You cant just all of a sudden play more pragmatic it just doesn't work like that. To do it effectively it needs extensive coaching.
@@rocket8796I think it has more to do with the ones you mentioned playing mid week, weekend continuously with no rest like United mid week and then Liverpool Sunday. Would have been much better if we had more players available yeah? And of course we are weaker without the starting CBs especially the pace of vdv which makes a massive difference when playing this high line
I m liverpool fan and Ange is acting stupid u have to play according to players u have the way he plays with average players is beyond me i wonder when players will tell him he is wrong
A list of 10 injuries is a very big deal. Ange should have pushed away his pride and played like small clubs against big clubs. So, these lads are right. The strength of Tottenham is that they will always score.
@@Patrick-uh8xj The parallel is not unreasonable. Amorim has expressed a similar determination to not be moved from his preferred style of play - it's one of the reasons Liverpool decided to look elsewhere in the summer. There is no "right way" to play football and anyone who thinks there is will ultimately fail. The great managers have a philosophy and a preferred playing style, but they also know that sometimes you have to make adjustments.
i know many fans wanted us to go all out and score double figures goals but for me when we are winning comfortably, its unnecessary injuries i am worried about. At 5-1, was hoping for Endo to come in and see the game out
Ridiculous to think that with a bunch of kids you are going to throw your entire strategy and style of play in the bin and park the bus and still expect to beat the best team of Europe. Same result, but boring. Why advocate for that when the teams entire motto is to dare is to do….should we change it to to do (but only when we are playing a poor team with all of our starters) is to do? No.
United were more defensive minded against Spurs and still concerned 6 goals in that 6 - 2 game. Original Poster is right. The scoreline would still be the same regardless so just go for it.
@@Cariss625 That really doesn't make any sense. Yes, it's possible to concede 6 playing differently, but it's far less likely if you at least make an effort to defend. Ange is a genius in one sense only - he's somehow deluded a lot of Spurs fans into thinking that the only options are playing kamikaze football or playing like Mourinho at his absolute worst. There's a lot of space between the two.
at the start of the year i backed lfc for the title, the style of play slot introduced suited players like gravenbach and szobo, it was obvious that these guys would reach the level that are playing at. Other players like jones elliot gomez quansah werent really rated highly by pundits,,, diaz and nunez came back from outstanding performances for there countries. They were 11/2 with the bookies at the start of the season and i thought it was worth a bet.
I don't mind Ange going for it. Given the players they had fit they were never going to achieve anything playing ultra-defensively. Instead of 3-6 it would have been 0-2 or 0-3. Liverpool are just too good.
Why change when you want to play a certain way? That is why he plays the same way no matter the players he has availabile and to see who can cope with his style of play and being young 18 year olds, they will get better, learn and grow.. How about fans see the bigger picture. Remember earlier in the season when the team weren't gelling property after Ange made 8 to 9 changes? It was honestly a horrible watch but now they are somewhat decent and can only get better once they have all players available. And by playing the way they do, you can actually see that the "B team" are getting better and more used to the playstyle. Plus Liverpool are firing on all cylinders at the moment.. 🤷🏻♂️
If Liverpool had one by 2 goals due to Spurs parking the bus and just defending the narrative would have been ' Spurs parked the bus, Yes they have players out but at least try and get something from the game show some desire some fight , So what if you lose by more goals at least you showed you have tried.' Spurs attacked and played on the front foot the narrative is ' Its stupid playing this way against Liverpool Ange should have adapted' Yet these pundits leave out the fact that Spurs had to play the same team with in the space of a week while Liverpool rested all their starting players and were fresh. Watching the match i was cheering Spurs on being 6-3 down yet still going for it, the game was lost anyway so why shell up and defend/ A lost is a lost no matter the score.
Playing with six attackers always puts you in a position were u must outscore your opponent. It's the kind of football that demands confidence and aggression & Spurs av neither....😢😮 Sad 2 c...coz i like their style. It's like prime KLOOP
Actual win was 3 nil.but VaRPool had 24 shots 12 on target at 5-1 up they should have crushed spurs unfortunately they became lazy and sloppy, lucky they have five strikers who score different goals.
سِالُتتكِ بّالُلُُه 💔الُجْلُيَلُ الُجْبّارَ انَ تْنَقًذَنَا قًبّلُ انَ نَمٌوَتْ مٌنَ شِدِتْ الُجْوَع انَتٌْخيَكِ انَيَ دٌِخلُةِ ْعلُى الُلُُه تْمٌ ْعلُيَكِ انَيَ فَيَ وَجُْهك انَـيَ اخـتْكِ انَـيَ اتْرَجْـاكِ اتْـوَسِـلُ الُـيَـكِ انَـقًـذَنَا لُـوَجُْـه الُـلُُـه. يَــشِــُهدِ الُــلُــُه يَاٌخـيَ انَ مٌنَ الُــصّــبّاحُ حُـتْا الُـانَ يَــحُــرَمٌ ْعـــلُيَـنَـا الاكل غير الماء والله اني ما كتبت هذا الكلام الا من الضيق وقسوت الضروف اني طالبه من الله ثم منك لاتردني خايبه يا اخي ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين من انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو ب 500 ريال يمني مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم00967779509554 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا.:،،،،،.،.؛؛؛٪٪٪٪٪،،،،،،،،،،،… .ا™°°°😢😢😢>&&>>&&>>
Man united is irrelevant nowadays, fans are denial yes they have massive fanbase but the club is sinking. The management is awful. And mancity is sinking too.
The chaps make the really pertinent point about Ange: it's not that his football philosophy is no good per se, it's that specifically for yesterday's game - against the best team in Europe and when you have 10 first-team players out and you have to go with reserves, kids, etc - it would've made sense to take a much more cautious, hard-to-beat approach. The fact that the high-line, all-out attacking football worked against Man U and Southampton - two poor teams- did not mean that it would work against Liverpool.
But how can you be more hard to beat when you don't have good defenders playing. Dragusin is a good defender but there's a reason he isn't first choice. Died Spence is third choice as well and we have a young 18 year old CM in CB. With Forster in goal. You can't be hard to beat with these players on the pitch. And you sacrifice goals as well by playing that way. Say of we were hard to beat. The likelihood is we still lose but maybe 3-0 or 1-0 compared to 6-3 away loss is still a loss. Scoreline is irrelevant. And playing that way you don't score 3 goals against the best team in the country. How many teams have done that this season? My point being. Adapting his tactics would have made no difference to the overall result. Either way Liverpool would probably win.
@@baileyjones5744
Everton just drew with Arsenal and Chelsea in back to back weeks. Is it fun to watch?? Absolutely not. But Dyche is working with less than Ange. He was playing teams they couldn’t go head-to-head against, so he made adjustments to become hard to beat.
Let’s not talk about 2 late goals after the game is over..
I understand Ange has a difficult job trying to change a culture. But, this is the Premier league. Your manager has to be able to make subtle tactical tweaks. Also, if his main strategy is to have players who can literally sprint for 90 minutes week in and week out… that’s impossible!! If Ange lasts for another couple seasons and doesn’t adapt - Spurs will remain the most injured team in the division on average. It’s inevitable.
I don’t think Ange has the ability to manage in the Premier League.
I’d like to see these 10 first team players that are missing. I didn’t realise Solanke Kulu Son Madders Sarr Bissouma were our reserves. Spence may have secured a first team spot.
@@JoshuaWilliamson-s1y Ange does make adjustments just not in the ways you think he does. While other people park the bus he makes adjustments through rotation of player roles and substitutions mid game Case in point Pierre Emile Hojbjerg last season. Ange utilised him as a player to sure up the midfield and being solidity in there mid game. To say he doesn't adapt is simply not true. What he is alluding too at the moment is that he is unable to adapt. We don't have the personnel to adapt to situations mid game at the moment and you simply can't ask your backline of Gray, Dragusin, Porro and Spence to sit in and defend in a low block. These players don't know how to do that because they aren't the best defensively so how else can he simply adjust right now. Ange has coached these players to play this way for 18 months. You cant just all of a sudden play more pragmatic it just doesn't work like that. To do it effectively it needs extensive coaching.
@@rocket8796I think it has more to do with the ones you mentioned playing mid week, weekend continuously with no rest like United mid week and then Liverpool Sunday. Would have been much better if we had more players available yeah? And of course we are weaker without the starting CBs especially the pace of vdv which makes a massive difference when playing this high line
Ange and his tactics are gonna get him sacked
then what ? 😂
Yeah that’s usually what gets managers sacked….
Slot playing mind games. Tell everyone that Spurs Way of playing is amazing 😂😂
Ange isn't cut for PL if he isn't willing to work on tactics.
No team can play professional games like Spurs does. It’s reckless and utterly pathetic
I was cursing Liverpool yesterday for not getting to double figures. Liverpool could have scored at least 8 goals yesterday
easily 10
Could have scored 11
Ange is even making Spurs more vulnerable each day with his high line with poor defensive setup
This comments section is where braincells go to die
I m liverpool fan and Ange is acting stupid u have to play according to players u have the way he plays with average players is beyond me i wonder when players will tell him he is wrong
A list of 10 injuries is a very big deal. Ange should have pushed away his pride and played like small clubs against big clubs. So, these lads are right. The strength of Tottenham is that they will always score.
dont these 2 play in the carabao cup next month ?
3 games in 35dayz.
Should be tasty
Ange and Amorim are stubborn can only play one way they will never succeed
Amorim just literally got there lol. Why is he being slandered?
@@Patrick-uh8xj The parallel is not unreasonable. Amorim has expressed a similar determination to not be moved from his preferred style of play - it's one of the reasons Liverpool decided to look elsewhere in the summer. There is no "right way" to play football and anyone who thinks there is will ultimately fail. The great managers have a philosophy and a preferred playing style, but they also know that sometimes you have to make adjustments.
Their is a reason his name is ANGE IMPOSTER-NO-CLUE.
ahahhahahaahahaha
We saw a good game because spurs also played a good and fair one and not park the bus. But we must recognise it was Liverpools day.
Teams play football to win games, Not a fair play award.
Postecoglu is a ONE TRICK pony 🐎. He won't change because he has absolutely no idea how to change
i know many fans wanted us to go all out and score double figures goals but for me when we are winning comfortably, its unnecessary injuries i am worried about. At 5-1, was hoping for Endo to come in and see the game out
Ridiculous to think that with a bunch of kids you are going to throw your entire strategy and style of play in the bin and park the bus and still expect to beat the best team of Europe. Same result, but boring. Why advocate for that when the teams entire motto is to dare is to do….should we change it to to do (but only when we are playing a poor team with all of our starters) is to do? No.
I'm not sure there's ever been a fan base so utterly deluded as Spurs fans appear to be right now. Whatever your manager's got is clearly contagious.
@@chrispalmer7893it's a cult over there. It's mad.
United were more defensive minded against Spurs and still concerned 6 goals in that 6 - 2 game. Original Poster is right. The scoreline would still be the same regardless so just go for it.
Well you lose to the poor teams as well half the time so maybe he should just change full stop
@@Cariss625 That really doesn't make any sense. Yes, it's possible to concede 6 playing differently, but it's far less likely if you at least make an effort to defend. Ange is a genius in one sense only - he's somehow deluded a lot of Spurs fans into thinking that the only options are playing kamikaze football or playing like Mourinho at his absolute worst. There's a lot of space between the two.
at the start of the year i backed lfc for the title, the style of play slot introduced suited players like gravenbach and szobo, it was obvious that these guys would reach the level that are playing at. Other players like jones elliot gomez quansah werent really rated highly by pundits,,, diaz and nunez came back from outstanding performances for there countries. They were 11/2 with the bookies at the start of the season and i thought it was worth a bet.
So, people are admitting that Arteta was right when he "tweaked" according to the personnel he had and everybody was on his case.
I don't mind Ange going for it. Given the players they had fit they were never going to achieve anything playing ultra-defensively. Instead of 3-6 it would have been 0-2 or 0-3. Liverpool are just too good.
Why change when you want to play a certain way?
That is why he plays the same way no matter the players he has availabile and to see who can cope with his style of play and being young 18 year olds, they will get better, learn and grow..
How about fans see the bigger picture.
Remember earlier in the season when the team weren't gelling property after Ange made 8 to 9 changes?
It was honestly a horrible watch but now they are somewhat decent and can only get better once they have all players available.
And by playing the way they do, you can actually see that the "B team" are getting better and more used to the playstyle.
Plus Liverpool are firing on all cylinders at the moment.. 🤷🏻♂️
Ange is delusional FC
Liverpool hater Gabs spoke
If Liverpool had one by 2 goals due to Spurs parking the bus and just defending the narrative would have been ' Spurs parked the bus, Yes they have players out but at least try and get something from the game show some desire some fight , So what if you lose by more goals at least you showed you have tried.'
Spurs attacked and played on the front foot the narrative is
' Its stupid playing this way against Liverpool Ange should have adapted'
Yet these pundits leave out the fact that Spurs had to play the same team with in the space of a week while Liverpool rested all their starting players and were fresh.
Watching the match i was cheering Spurs on being 6-3 down yet still going for it, the game was lost anyway so why shell up and defend/ A lost is a lost no matter the score.
Liverpool have been playing every 3 days for the past 2 weeks. Spurs have not done that. Wake up.
Spurs a club that wins nothing get way to much airtime
Playing with six attackers always puts you in a position were u must outscore your opponent. It's the kind of football that demands confidence and aggression & Spurs av neither....😢😮
Sad 2 c...coz i like their style. It's like prime KLOOP
Klopp's teams were never as kamikaze as that. The closest Liverpool comparison would be the Rodgers team of 13/14.
That's what's costing barca and Madrid is going to walk away with the title
@@barugambireismailismail1688 Actually Atletico will win the title as they do not concede many goals.
I am an Aussie but Ange has to go. He’s not up there .
Actual win was 3 nil.but VaRPool had 24 shots 12 on target at 5-1 up they should have crushed spurs unfortunately they became lazy and sloppy, lucky they have five strikers who score different goals.
Actually you got dog poo for brains...
سِالُتتكِ بّالُلُُه 💔الُجْلُيَلُ الُجْبّارَ انَ تْنَقًذَنَا قًبّلُ انَ نَمٌوَتْ مٌنَ شِدِتْ الُجْوَع انَتٌْخيَكِ انَيَ دٌِخلُةِ ْعلُى الُلُُه تْمٌ ْعلُيَكِ انَيَ فَيَ وَجُْهك انَـيَ اخـتْكِ انَـيَ اتْرَجْـاكِ اتْـوَسِـلُ الُـيَـكِ انَـقًـذَنَا لُـوَجُْـه الُـلُُـه. يَــشِــُهدِ الُــلُــُه يَاٌخـيَ انَ مٌنَ الُــصّــبّاحُ حُـتْا الُـانَ يَــحُــرَمٌ ْعـــلُيَـنَـا الاكل غير الماء والله اني ما كتبت هذا الكلام الا من الضيق وقسوت الضروف اني طالبه من الله ثم منك لاتردني خايبه يا اخي ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين من انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو ب 500 ريال يمني مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم00967779509554 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خيرا.:،،،،،.،.؛؛؛٪٪٪٪٪،،،،،،،،،،،… .ا™°°°😢😢😢>&&>>&&>>
Nothing more delusional than Liverpool fans lol. 1 premier league title ever, and they think they're Man City or what Man United was lmao
LMAO, 6 champs league, more combined than both manchester mickey mouse teams
Stay humble baby, England mightiest team ever is Liverpool
Liverpool fans think Liverpool is what we are - the most successful British team of all time. Football didn't start in 1992
Man united is irrelevant nowadays, fans are denial yes they have massive fanbase but the club is sinking. The management is awful. And mancity is sinking too.
Arsenal fans are the most delusional as of late.