How Macron Became the Ultimate Ukraine Hawk
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Last month, Macron caused quite a stir when he suggested deploying Western troops against Russia. But, this seems to be quite a shift in how Macron sees the war in Ukraine, so in this video, we take a look at Macron's Ukraine strategy, how it's changed over time, and what explains this shift.
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00:00 - Introduction
01:02 - Macron's Russia Policy Pre-Ukraine
02:43 - Macron's Original Ukraine Policy
03:27 - Macron's New Ukraine Policy
06:18 - Why the Shift?
07:44 - Sponsored Content
Describing him as anti NATO is rather strange. He made a comment about its cerebral death not because he didn't adhere to the idea, but because a member of the alliance (Turkey) was directly threatening another member (Greece) and the US was not giving a shit about it.
It's pretty clear when he meant brain dead he meant American leadership.
and also a member of NATO(The US) was supporting the seperatist in another member country(Turkey).
France always had the position of staying independant from NATO, since back to De Gaulle.
Chirac shawed it well when refusing and opposing the US invasion of Irak (which started a boycott of french product in the usa and the start of the french bashing on internet which still continue at this day with all these stup!d surrender jokes)
@@insertname6304And Chirac was 100% right and the US was lying to the world and launched a war under false pretenses destined for failure and 10’s or 100’s of thousands of dead. None of this is remotely controversial today, just historical fact. Let the Neocons eat their ‘Freedom Fries’ and weep.
Macron blocked Turkey's offer to provide 155mm artillery shells to NATO (to assist Ukraine). He does not care about NATO. He only cares for French hegemony.
This kind of switch is actually quite typical for Macron. He will be exceedingly diplomatic and patient, until options are exhausted, then he turns very resolute. He was the same way with Hungary and Orban. He was very patient and then he abruptly switched to focus on the possibility of suspending Hungary's EU voting rights.
Publicly, these switches seem abrupt but do not come out of the blue. They come after Macron has been patient for a long time and they are present throughout his career. One should not write this switch off as something whimsical, on the contrary. Based on previous switches, he is very likely dead serious and most politicians will know this about him.
Probably better in the long run, to try and resolve things diplomatically before trying to strong arm people. In any case, I hope he is serious
"Patience " could also be viewed as naivety
@@alizaidi2893 Or diplomacy.
Diplomacy takes time. and making threats means nothing if you dont do something to back them up.
So in this case.
Russia wont play ball? = mor support for UA.
Hungary undermines EU = Voting rights suspended.
etc...
@@felixschrider9037 lol if his "diplomacy" was actually worth something, he wouldn't be backtracking to his threats 9 times out of 10
Macron is going to lose when the next elections take place.
Good riddance.
The indirect confrontation that Russia and France have had in Africa might have played a role too in this attitude change..
LOL that and the fact that he is put on hold when he calls Moscow
This is the reason for a change in French position.
Pourquoi mourir pour Ukraine?
@@johnbox271Because before Hitler attack there were traitors who asked "Pourquoi mourir pour Dantzig?" For the same reason, stopping a dictator before he gains momentum.
What has France given to Africa so far?
Exactly. France, who was plundering Africa, lost a LOT of money (Billions) when Mali, Burkina Faso, and Niger kicked the French out and made friends with Russia. The French leadership are not doing this out of heroism.
I want to clarify that I doubt macron was ever pro Russia, but he was trying to keep dialogue open and try to achieve peace. It’s a huge difference and I fear that talking about being “pro” Russia is a very misleading statement
Well, yeah. But the issue of Russia gaining or exerting more influence in Africa just led to Macron having none of it.
He's been playing his part all along - that's all. The West is called the collective West for a reason. Everyone has a part to play (in the US's production).
France Always have been Russophile and that what he wanted to restore not a "Pro-Russia" thing
He was never "pro-Russia" per se. It was just that Merkel was never against Russia, and being her tea boy, he just followed and was never against Russia either.
I don't understand how no one has picked up that he has not acted with any sense of direction since Merkel stepped down. He's a lost little boy and nothing more.
@@DanteLovesPizzaMerkel was very pro-Russian so using your theory that he followed her then he must have been
Macron was never pro-Russia.
No but France itself shares love and admiration with Russia easy relations
@@user-bx1mf3zb8yit shares love for the Russian culture and history which is totally different. No one except extreme right support Putin regime. Even the far left stopped it
Macron is the scum of France
@@walideg5304There’s still plenty on the far left that support Russia. I mean the far far left. Not like AOC or even Trotskyists but the furthest far left, yeah, very much still supports Putin and Russia
he's pro macaroon
Something you kind of miss is that most of the military equipment sent to Ukraine by France is not disclosed publicaly, so we have no idea of the french contribution.
Very little French equipment on Oryx and recent claims of the amount of aid by the French government suggest its rather pathetic. Not Kiel Institute pathetic but 20-25% of Germanys aid pathetic.
quite a few caesars and amx amored cars have been destroyed
@@Armored_Ariete APCs are relatively cheap and the Caesars are an international effort. Denmark donated over a third of all currently operational units.For the 72 new guns that should get delivered this year France only finances ~16.6% and the rest comes from other countries donations.
lol, no
@@Armored_Ariete my bad i wanted to write most instead of lost but my fingers decided otherwise
Seeing the leader of a country recognize that he was wrong and change his position is actually quite admirable. Better than a leader who refuses to change and insists on mistakes.
The complete opposite of Putin you mean?
@@consideredthoughts1791The complete opposite of virtually every politician. They'd rather defend a foolish and losing position than admit they're wrong. Hubris.
@@consideredthoughts1791 Or the Tories.
@@consideredthoughts1791my first thought was merkel.......
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Few politicians refuse to accept when they made a mistake. Ask Corbyn even now and he'll still claim the UK wants a Marxist PM.
Once Starmer is elected, I'm not expectedly any less hubris, are you?
The difference is Putins Hubris has killed hundreds of thousands, hit the world economy and set back his country by at least 10 years. That's quite an achievement.
I don't think Macron ever intended to truly send any troops there in Ukraine, but his move was actually really clever. The war in ukraine was starting to get behind in the news, as the topic switched to Ghazza and other issues. But ever since his shock announcement, everyone is talking about Ukraine in Europe again, and everyone is realizing that Ukraine might be on the losing foot rn and needs help, and that we might not be able to count on USA to support them.
It was great PR: creating some sort of "strategic ambiguity" and putting the topic on the table
Everyone is realizing Ukraine might be on the losing foot. Everyone has realized that since last year. It's stupid warmongering, not great PR. And yeah you aren't going to get support from us Americans if Europe keeps talking about Western troops in Ukraine. We said in the beginning there would never be Western troops in Ukraine, that it was Russian propaganda to say so. If we go back on that promise, we are telling the world we are untrustworthy and we are the problem in the Ukraine war and Russia is right to fear NATO. I'm not interested in proving the Russian narrative. Macron needs to shut up and send more weapons to Ukraine, they are at the bottom of the list of Ukraine contributors.
That idea sounds so brilliant, that I actually think it might not be true. I wouldn't give their intelligence that much credit.
Macron could send 12000 troops only. Please, realize, that it is less than the number of troops which defended Avdiivka... It means should France send those 12000 troops, than Russia would not even notice anything.... Russia is so much stronger.... It means Macron and all NATO is simply funny...
Any reasonably educated person can see him for the fool he is .........
@@mirekslechta7161judging by the gibberish English it appears this is an orc bot account.
What was so striking to me was how many media outlets just went from Macron's statement of "not ruling out anything" (in general terms) to full blown French-Troops driving in an blowing stuff up. Nothing like that was said by him if you watch the original, but hey escalating and overblown headlines still rule and even other higher ranking officals fell for these overblown reports as well.
Yep, the man even made the assembly take a vote, just to see exactly who is in putin pocket ^^. Unsurprisingly, the far right abstain (the cowards in the speech just before) and most of the far left opposed more help for Ukraine (don't remeber if it was the fools or the blinds in the speech ^^). It wasn't really binding, but when the usual suspects didn't even bother to rally a just cause... Well, it's telling...
Yeah! It was good to fill the headlines, after the awkward lack of any interests in the 2nd anniversary of the neverwas thiefstate's war.
Even entertaining the idea of France joining the war in some regard means Russia has to change its strategy. Plus hearing the new France's stand on the war could make other nations more open to supporting Ukraine with bigger aid packages. The war is not fought only on the battlefields but also on the front of public opinion and PR...
as i understand things if the french do not dehorn themselves public opinion will soon enough be vaporized
I would agree with you except every other head of a NATO country from the US to Turkey made it very clear they disagreed with him.
U are aware French is kinda meh when it comes to eu or nato Germany carry eu with economy usa carry nato with army france just knows how to shout and do nothing else he try to make French official eu language when UK left everyone laugh of him he is politician and politicians only know how to speak
Whater PR says or does, Russia is winning and ready to stop at any moment. Trump said he would stop the var in 24 hours. No Nato, no Var.
PR - where Ukraine does best. Battlefild - where Ukraine dies best. (i don't think it'll publish but it rhymes and so true)
It wasnt an embaressment for macron. he tried everything to prevent escalation. he failed. thats still admirable
It's like appeasement without the arms build up. He tried to prevent escalation but he was a fool for thinking he could.
yes macaroni is a very reasonable man isnt he --- to prove it he and germans helga begged Russia to delay action so that nato could pump ukeland full of military toys
@@somethinglikethat2176he was actually asked by Zelenskyy himself to talk to putler. Watch that documentary about Macron, it has the call between him and Zelenskyy on the day of the invasion. Macron even looks very skeptical about whether that would work and asks Zelenskyy if he's ready to sit at a table with putler and talk. To which Zelenskyy answers "of course, we have to".
Zelenskyy also asked other politicians to talk to putler early on, eg. my own chancellor, Mr. Nehammer of Austria was one of the very first politicians to visit Kyiv after the invasion (I think only the Baltic leaders went there before him) and he went straight on to Moscow after. Which was clearly due to Zelenskyy asking for it. We're a tiny country that has no influence on the world's superpowers. Nehammer wouldn't have done that on his own out of some grandiose ideas about the "might of Austria".
But we're neutral, so our chancellor is a good choice to send to the enemy trying to get negotiations going.
Zelenskyy changed his mind about trying to talk with putler after Bucha. If you look at all the old interviews, it's very obvious. Because after that, how could you even talk? Ukrainians would have kicked Zelenskyy out of office if he had tried.
Se vis pacem para bellum. Diplomacy first, but it was obvious by the build up of forces in the border that Russia was going to invade.
And he will fail again HAHA
Macron wanted an EU army to guard against American Isolationism. This actually explains his stance remarkably consistantly. By going boots on the ground in Ukraine together with Poland, he gets a lot of leverage towards a joined military force with the countries in east europe that want it the most.
If he actually goes through with it. He has to convince Poland to join him and then ignore the many NATO countries that are against direct intervention. Then there is the issue that if he does that France will pay the lion's share of the cost. As they said in the video this is where France's actions do not match their words.
As a Ukrainian, I did not expect such a strong statement from the French President. Of course, I also do not believe that someone else can win the war for us, but every single thing that helps matters! Thank you!
Slava Ukraini , love from Romania !
Stay strong
Слава Україні! Honestly, me too.
Although I do believe that we should deliver much more, including the Taurus system and way more ammunition, I don't think it would be a good idea for Nato countries to send soldiers. I don't buy into that nuclear war rhetoric as that would assure Russias destruction as well. At the end of the day nuclear weapons are quite impotent at the end of the day. But I do believe that direct involvement of Nato will spiral things way more and possibly drag in other countries currently not involved.
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Seeking strategic autonomy is being pro Europe not being anti nato' strategic autonomy and NATO are perfectly compatible as Europe and US interests are mostly the same.
He's not Anti Nato, as much as Pro-EU sovereignty.
We in Europe need to handle our security ourselves.
Uncle Sam is showing that it ultimately cannot be relied on, as a single guy with a tiny hammer can block the entire legislative process.
On the topic of France aid, until very recently, any aid sent was entirely classified. Another issue is that while Europe uses the same weapon platforms, France has it's own...
France cannot give to much équipements as French army has skills that they need to keep and cannot loose like Germany who is not ready for a future war or opération.
You mean that the Europeans have shown that they are incompetent and unreliable. The entire world watched while you tried to play nice with Putin even as troops massed on the Ukrainian border and called US warnings irresponsible and dangerous.
Also the average voter in the midwest has been drifting from your average EU voter for decades. Our values are diverging and Europe probably should go its own direction in terms of foreign policy. Macron is correct in this assessment.
@jean-philippebobin3732 Stop it clown.
France is now the second largest weapons exporter in the world after the US.
😂😂
Our security guarantees to Europe via NATO are always valid and Republicans cannot block that. They can only block aid to non allied countries
As someone who is bilingual in French and English, my brain was overwhelmed by seeing both languages as subtitles there. 😅
Being able to admit when he was wrong and change direction is so commendable and a sign of strength of character. You will never see Putin or any of the politicians favoured by his fan boys do that.
No it just shows a weak leadership.
@@Micfri300 It shows stronger leadership than if he had not. Just because you never admit when you're wrong and never even try to be honest doesn't make you right about something, it makes you weak and stupid.
@@Micfri300You are so stupid if you think that. Everyone makes mistakes and especially in something so unpredictable like geopolitics, its more common than the opposite. But you would rather have politicians fake the appearence of competency and being stubborn and never admitting mistakes because it portrays a fake image of strong leadership? This kind of thinking is exactly what causes so many politicians to be screwing people over against their own interests. Being capable of admitting ones fault is a sign of strength of character, regardless of what you think.
There's nothing commendable about Macron.
Putin is pretty clear and firm about what he wants to do. Boot NATO out of as much former Soviet nations as possible. Macron flip flops because he hardly knows what he wants. And he’s a coward, who barely cares about the native, french people and cares more about wasting time and money on the Ukraine war.
"Walk a mile for peace, but don't back down an inch from a fight" - it just took a while for Macron to do the 2nd part
This is not your fight, French people. It's between Russia and Ukraine, it has been for ages - 70 year of the on-going conflict. It's finally out. It doesn't concern any other country except Ukraine and Russia.
@@fatherofchristmas 💯agree
Kremlin botfarm in full swing. As if Putin doesn't dream of Russian troops over the Rhine
@@amistrophy What you just said - the line "of Russian troops over the Rhine" is RIDICULOUS and no one is buying it anymore (maybe no one ever did - the likes on the comments come with the comments if you know what i mean).You should retire the line and make up something else.
@@amistrophyimagine calling others bots while you have an anime avatar 💀
About time Europe stepped up to protect itself
from who from the usa or from the country that has up to a year ago gotten basically free energy from
@@richardkuntz3746 the USA is democratic so whatever we do it will always be an ally Russia is the only threat to European territories ( Géorgie, armenia, Ukraine, baltic countries ... )
@@richardkuntz3746Try to write in understandable English, Vkontakt translation is not good enough .
If "protection" is escalating war with Russia where ordinary people die and elits profit then definetly no...
Western Europe? Because macron biggest hurdle is getting the Eastern half on board with the rest of the continent and the American military industry won't let it happen.
it isn't that hard:
at the beginning, he left the door open for a "honorable" exit to Putin
as the behavior on the ground worsened and as they apparently targeted the French interests, he understood that there was no negotiation possible without holding them with a gun on the temple... "dont acte"
It should be remembered that "strategic ambiguity" is at the heart of much of French defence posture.
Don't tell Putin exactly what he can get away with. He'll just do all of that and then start pushing you to change the red line.
France says the EU should be strategically independent...yeah the US has been wanting that for a long while.
Nope, because guess who sell the weapons to NATO and the military in Europe ? Would it make sense for the us army to buy weapons from an outside source when it come to defend itself ? I don't think so. Same thing with a real European army, the weapons market would gradualy dry up for the us...
Nothing changed. He was never pro Russia. He was doing a Churchill. Saying 1 thing while doing the other.
Don't EVER include the name Churchill in the same sentence as Macron. One was a battle hardened brilliant orator and leader. The other married a pensioner
@@rosshilton both scumbags
George Galloway calls him "Little Emmanuel Macron"
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He is absolutely right, Europe absolutely depends too much on USA
If America is personified by the Roman general and symbol of virility Mark Antony, the EU is some eunuch. Probably what the acronym is shorthand for.
Europe needs more weapons and weapons manufacturing . and Germany needs a bigger better army once more. What could go wrong!!!🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@chrimbus71 Chill out Germany couldn't go to war, they are too old 😂😂
@@adi6293 russia has and they are just as old. And so too is Ukraine, now they have lost their young to war and fleeing the country
@@chrimbus71 Well Ukraine had no choice, they got attacked 😅 Russia is something else all together and Germany got beat so bad in WW2 they aren't attacking anyone else 😂😂
In French French submarines there are 4680 Hiroshimas (megatone power).
knowing that 1 HIROSHIMA IS 100,000 deaths.
And not to mention the aerial variant and the 152 prestategic strike missiles (20 hiroshima per missile).
The French missiles are mirved and truly operational and all the tests of modernization were a success.
And it costs France 8 billion euros per year.
Word is that France is aiding Ukraine in a lot of inteligence matters which don't have overt price tags, and is constantly pushing rhetorically in the right direction and never come off as dragging their feet. That matters a lot in public perception.
I admire a man who can admit they are wrong!
Thank you very much for the video from Odesa, Ukraine
4:18 "you're missing an opportunity to shut up" is a hilarious thing for a president to say though xD
Quite a common say in French: “Tu as encore perdu une occasion de la fermer” 😂
Chirac might not have been our best President, but he sure had a whole lot of punch lines
@@haidouk872i need to find those compilations of our politicians' wildest lines. Shit gets weird. Somehow moreso than "c'est de la poudre de perlimpimpin" lmao
And he was right.
well, Chirac wasn't wrong. the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 or the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 were both monumental disasters for all involved. the world would be a much better place if both hadn't happened
Thank you very much for collecting all the material and the good analysis of the development of President Marcron thinking about the geopolitical implication of the War in Ukraine. Keep up your good work.
Is it me or this host is always covering the French-ish news (relating to france or french speaking country like Haiti)
That's great because she is almost perfect regarding prononciation of french words/names !
It’s nice to hear good pronunciations on tldr news, if at least some effort into foreign prononciations
I wish they could do the same with pronounciation from other countries, till now I suspected they mauled these on purpose
you do know that all of europe studies (or has the option to study) french in schools right? especially UK. that's where a lot of ppl pick up the pronunciations. The other anchor chick is of eastern-eu descent and she covers those news more, whereas the British boyz cover more of the UK news obviously
You're trolling, a Brit would never learn a foreign language@@chi15800
@@jojotv9383 Not on purpose, they're just British lol
Putin always actin like he the only one with nukes. Lad gonna fuck round and find out
Some bloke in Toulose stubs their toe on a table. Putin: This might be cause for nuclear war. A girl in glasgow forgets her backpack in schoool. Putin: This might be cause for nuclear war.
Poser. That's what bunker granddad is, a nuclear poser.
I hate when they use GDP % to Aid sent because they make it seem like a country sent less than other countries but in reality they sent more.
It's disingenious to say the least, never before has it been a metric, but as it happens to make the US, the UK and some Baltic states look good they can't stop yammering about it.
Note how that metric also leaves the EU out, which as an entity has given about 60% of what the US contrives Ukraine aid, and that contribution, proportionally higher now that the GOP is blocking a new bill. It should be understood that Germany and France are net contributors to the EU, and their seemingly low contributions are on top of that.
France sent far less than other countries both in actual amount and in GDP%
I think history will look back at Macron as a strong leader, he has his flaws but you can't say that he isn't persistent and guided in his ultimate view of a European identity and sovereignty.
"Strong leader" def not in French history books, unless the definition includes opressive undemocratic tyrant in which case definitly.
He is still the french president of the 5th republic whose governement threw the most 49.3 aka the article that allows to bypass the parlement "in case of urgency" to force the law through because he knew they would be refused due to how terrible and unpopular these laws are
He gave a speech saying that France has no culture. He is a stooge of WEF and Clause Schwab .
Thank you for the video. Do you have the link to the discourse and the recordings that you are recommending to check out?
Thank you for your great work! This is an extremely useful overview of what is happening.
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Amazing coverage!
Honestly, I always assumed it had to do with the fact that he's the loudest voice for a European Army, or a European focuses alliance in a world without America.
The Ukraine War is probably the best example of why an European focused collective military might be important.
Exptually with how America is currently politically dead as it can't even do anything.
He was always an American skeptic, continuing the French Position on the States, and the forefront European established thought that trade and commerce itself can force countries to renounce alot of militaristic stances if they were heavily dependent on each other.
Macron is a joke and can’t be trusted by his people for allowing taking away their freedoms to turn to an authoritarian state similar to the Woodrow Wilson Regime of the USA
France is always been moody about US influence I’m just glad they finally realized Russia is an unserious negotiator and purely self interested nation.
France is moody because
(A) general culture distrust of the Anglo sphere.
(B)A drive for France to be player in world affair.
They've never liked the Western world being dominated by the US since WW2 ended, and always try to pass themselves off as an equally worthy alternative. However this generally has been met with mixed results. Like pushing for the EU so France can be the lynch pin, only to be soundly outdone by Germany.
its not self-interest as much as putin-interest, his delusion about recreating the russian empire and installing himself as tsar, its medieval thinking from an ignorant old fool
Europe is tired of both sides.
And doesn't have to tolerate either.
To be fair to France, they might be right about the US, especially if Trump wins power.
Honestly, Macron is right, who best to look after European interest then ourselves? After all, some countries are blinded in thinking the US cares about our interest, but when you look closely, many of those countries come across as weak that do as they are told by the US, regardless of if it's in there interest or not.
So basically, Europeans in the US should be allies of the US but not dependent on them, especially as the US is becoming more erratic, polarised and less caring about the world.
The irony is, how Germany and France got it wrong on Russia, many in other European countries could get it wrong on the US if Trump wins power, the end result is, we in the EU need to pool our resources together so we can look after our own interest, regardless of what the US or others say.
Just like the US. None of them have the interest of Europe at heart. Being able to tell them both to fuck off should be the number 1 priority for European countries
Very interesting video. Sometimes the videos I feel are too basic, but going deeper into the foreign policy here and the recordings from Macron and Putin's conversations was an interesting addition and something I will definetly be watching soon.
Excellent content❤
Finally an announcer who doesn't sound like they're just reading off a script they know nothing about while desperately trying to fool the audience into thinking they're a world expert on it. Not sure if she's more knowledgable on the topics or is just better at actually properly thinking about the script beforehand (as any good announcer should), but either way, good job! 👍
She’s not going to dm you back bro
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@@lamedame1213 Bro, you eviscerated him 💀
Finally at least one politician sees and recognises the real situation and danger ! I hope he really means what he says and will insist on help for Ukraine.
great concise overview
Really good analysis.
Interesting video. Btw, Macron is pronounced maCRON, rather than MAcron. Actually a bit closer to maCRONG.
I'm french and I fully oppose Macron, except in the case of the Ukraine-Russia war. I do not understand why people hate his stances. I, for one, fully agreed with his approach to the war. Basically he tried to appease the conflict with diplomacy at first, and once he realized it wasn't going to work, he made sure Putin knew he wouldn't back down either from supporting Ukraine.
Yeah I'm french too and I respect Macron for that despite I totally disagree his french economical policy.
Macron est l'un des pires présidents que nous ayons jamais eu. Mais il a gagné mon respect pour cette guerre lancée par la russie. Cependant, je suis pas de ton avis concernant le fait de calmer le conflit avec la diplomatie au début; cette guerre a commencé en 2014, et nous avions tout les signes de l'impérialisme russe déjà en 2008 avec l'invasion de la Géorgie par exemple. On a fermé les yeux et au début de 2022, on aurait du lancer du lourd pour aider l'Ukraine dès qu'on avait vu qu'ils résistaient au lieu de faire du "gouttes à gouttes"
I am from Ukraine. Thank you for support guys.
diplomacy? He together with Germany ignited the war when he supported violation of Minsk agreements by Ukraine.
@@newworlddisorder776 you always say its the fault of Ukraine. But the separatists helped by russia didnt respect the agreement . If they did, then Ukraine would have won because it says heavy weapons should go further back
And diplomacy means nothing with fascist. We should have acted against russia in 2008. Not now
This is exactly what I was wondering
Excellent video
Europe needs people like Macron to defend our freedom and culture from Putin's conquest.
Nah they gotta defend their "freedom" and "culture" from the farmers first, otherwise there will be no more war and people won't be eating any bugz.
HAHAHA, little Napoleon with a wig. A nasty spineless weed who will be gone soon.
Europe's (or should I call it Eurabia soon) freedom and culture are being undermined by open unenforced borders.
What about millions of fighting age " refugee " men pouring into Europe ?
Just in terms of the 80s the statement of Macron "We Europe, NATO should stop Russia before Kiev and thereby save Europe and our credibility" sounds like the voice from the institution which I prefer not to name...Mitterrand, Helmut Kohl, Thatcher and other leaders of the 80s etc. if they heard this their jaws would have dropped. The only person who would possibly agree is famous leader of Germany of 1933-1945. He might have said something like that in 1943 after Stalingrad. May be Europe and NATO has been wrong about something?
FYI : the recordings in question came from a documentary by FranceTélévisions which aired in 2022 ...
This is excellent, insightful political analysis. Warmest compliments. Thank you for the informative piece. :)
Very interesting analysis. Much less "passionate" than the French media on the matter.
Really well worded and spoken
Excellent video! Good background information, sharp analysis and good contextualization in the end.
Strategic ambiguity is a genuinely good idea and I think that more EU nations (and UK) should adopt this stance. Even if France has no actual intention of deploying troops to Ukraine, merely threatening to do so already forces Russia to reconsider it's strategic and diplomatic options with the mere possibility of such a move in mind.
Keeping the enemy guessing is extremely useful for Ukraine, and I think that others should emulate France in simply not letting the world know what their intentions are surrounding Ukraine.
This is a big move ! French army isn't big enough to defeat russia in a conventional fight but can buy time for other countries to reinforce Ukraine. And Putin knows that the french nuclear submarines have hundreds of megatons of diplomacy aiming his head and Macron doesn't need the permission of the USA to press the button.
Macron cannot even establish security on his own French territory. Police and the army cannot enter the heated suburbs in France itself. How do you expect Putin to take him seriously?
nor does he need the permission of his people
the people say, no!
but he'll do it anyway...
Question: Do u know why people have brains? God, go play your video games. U really want nuclear war because of Ukraine my god go read what usa been doing in ukraine and what did ukrainian themselves be doing before the war
@@MClark-kf9wqi doubt that person is capable of thinking
France could beat the Russians, or until they choose diplomacy, they have the industry to do so.
Why does Macron need this? Get involved in someone else's conflict. Is life in France boring? For what? Ukraine itself provoked Russia into a conflict, violated the peace act it signed 2 times, refused peace proposals from different countries 5 times, and in the end generally adopted a law banning peace negotiations... it itself does not need peace. Why are we helping them? Why help those who don’t want peace themselves?
Nato helped ukraine provoke Russia.
You don't understand this war. So I can't help you.
@@Purple_flower09 Nobody understands this. The wars ended in the 20th century. The fact that now these are political games in which people die. Nobody needs this except Macron.
@@Purple_flower09 Nobody understands this. The wars ended in the 20th century. The fact that now these are political games in which people die. Nobody needs this except Macron.
@@Purple_flower09 Nobody understands this. The wars ended in the 20th century. The fact that now these are political games in which people die. Nobody needs this except Macron.
As a Swede, I like the french. I know that Macron is not that popular in France, but I like his foreign policy. We need the great powers of Europe to take leader roles, and France has done well in that regard in the abscence of Britain in the EU and German's neglect of war. I don't agree fully with NATO troops, but we definetly need a more aggressive tone in Europe, aswell less dependence on the US.
France is far away from the front, but I respect that they still see the desperate situation of the matter. I would like for Britain to Join the EU so that we could get the classic Anglo-french alliance back into the Euro-sphere.
As a french, I appreciate. As far as I dislike our president and despise his interior policy, I'm pretty happy about his foreign one, and agree with you about europe and NATO. No one here wants war, but if war was to happen, I believe most of us will do what needs to be done and be able to put aside our internal fights for a while.
I just would have prefered if we prepared ourselves a bit more and earlier, and helped ukraine more diligently.
we don't need the english and their "english" language! We will reinstate a Latin Empire and talk Latin again in official institutions and obliged 2nd language at EU schools. ♱⚔♱ Non loqui sed facere
@@god6384 Fuck, a virgin joined the debate
I think Britain rejoining the EU is a stretch at present but in the absence of the US some form of reconciliation with the rest of the continent will increasingly become the only reasonable option open to us, at least if we want any worthwhile security guarantees later down the line. Hopefully we'll have gotten over our little tantrum a decade ago by then.
Britain is already doing as much as any other country in the EU as it is. They donlt need to join the EU again. We don;t like them. We don;t like Russia , we are happy Britain is no longer in the EU, and want Hungary out of the EU too. If you cant get with the EU program , get out!
Chad Macron vs Virgin Scholz. Jokes aside, it is always good to hear that one of the 2 european nuclear powers is ready to protect its allies
Calling France a nuclear power compared to Russia is like calling Cardiff Police a military.
Funnily the Scholz government is the 2nd biggest donor to Ukraine while France has given a quarter to a fifth of that.
@@tpower1912 yes, just France unlike Russia has working modern military equipment unlike Russians Potemkin village of "modern" staff.
@@madkoala2130 France couldn't keep control of Burkina Faso. Failing to bully small African countries is not impressive.
@@madkoala2130We will see who has modern technology when French tanks will be drowning in the dniper😂
Problem is France is all talk and no action. They have contributed least in military aid to Ukraine out of the major countries.
This is a home I would be comfortable living in. great video, enjoyed it from OSLO, NORWAY
The reason why no one respect this man is lack of consistency.
A little Frenchman confronting Russia is not very reassuring
Putin is the little one here
It should be noted that Zelenskyy specifically asked Macron to call Putin to de-escalate when then Feb. invasion began.
He will u-turn again. In fact, I believe he only u-turned in order to u-turn again and this is well supported by the fact that he is not actually providing any support, hence remaining a favorite with Russia. Remember that they are incapable of not using double talk and he is trying to demonstrate the same ability to them.
I accidentally broke a mug today that just so happened to have red, white, and blue bands of colour as decoration. Poo-tin immediately sent me a threat of nuclear retaliation...
I don't think it is a threat. It's a reality of the world we live in. If France will get involved in the war, it has to expect consequences
Putin: I'm not going to invade.
Also Putin: stupid Macron.
He was not going to invade until minsk agreement was working. After Macron and Merkel, Zelensky break it, Putin start demilitarisation of Ukraine for real
Isn't cute, little Micron trying to cancel his image of a little man at the "BIG" table kowtowing to Putin, now swimming upstream? Microns apparently not just the Rich Frenchie's plaything?😅 (Humor!)
"Humiliating Putin" 😂😂😂😂😂
frankly putin dosen't need any help he's already showing himself to be quite the putain
i take back everything about macron. mans got massive balls. something EU dont have. (except poland)
It's a pity that his wife wore these big balls when France was expelled from Africa
fax fr fr@@teongrey91
Macron is a reasonable dude. He gives peace a chance, but he knows when enough is enough.
What? He's mad because Russia is helping Africa, that's why he's against Russia.
@mauricewells7838 most of the French public doesn't give a shit about Africa. So I highly highly doubt this is main drive to his diplomatic stance.
Macron has always been very explicitly for european strategic autonomy, which includes defending fellow European countries
A reasonable peace was never an option. He should have seen that. However he's doing the right thing now.
@@haidouk872 its not about common public. its about rich people, bankers and weapons manufacturers. Why macron is not worried about gaza, war in congo?? why.?
@haidouk872 you seem to lack the knowledge of how much France has pillaged from Africa for centuries. When you get a chance look into what is going on in Burkina Faso, Niger, and Mali and how they've distanced themselves from French influences and how much France actually depends on the Africa for resources.
You know what I think. I have seen this before and it is usually the person who has the most resolve to see a victory, who is the one who is more open to going to the perpetrator and asking them to negotiate, or cease hostilities. That is why Macron was not the least bit concerned about his many phone calls and trips to Russia to talk to Putler. I believe in the back of his mind he knew that if this did not go well, he would be ready to fight. That would be my way of handling it. Without giving Putler an ultimatum right from the start, but choosing to talk, he already had his mind made up. "Get out of Ukraine or you will be fighting us as well."
He is being kicked off Africa, little Napoleon
Irony of French calling others cowards is pretty big.
According to historian Niall Ferguson: "of the 125 major European wars fought since 1495, the French have participated in 50 - more than Austria (47) and England (43). Out of 168 battles fought since 387 BC, they have won 109, lost 49 and drawn 10", making France the most successful military power in European history-in terms of number of fought and won.
Learn history kiddo you're embarassing yourself here.
Well if Macron takes a lead towards European strategic autonomy I am all for it espeically if it allows all the Americas to be less involded in European affairs, not that we will back out, but that the Americas should not be doing Europe's primary responsibilities but rather that we should be prepared allies in a pinch
Im thankful for his part here.
So where is the link to that call? cmon leave it at the description.
French troops could be stationed on the border with Belarus, where there is a large part of Ukrainian troops, and replace them. In this way, those Ukrainian troops could be sent to the front line
Probably a role more for Poland. They are closer and the french army is already deployed in Romania. I think they are focused on Moldavia, Transnistria and maybe Odessa in the case this southern territory of Ukraine will be targeted by Russia.
Europe needs to look after itself, we can’t trust the Americans to turn up, or if they do they are usually 3 years late to the party.
Great analysis. Thanks! One of your best videos, TLDR.
France is the traditional go-to arms provider for those countries who don't want to depend on either America and the USSR. So it is reasonable for Armenia to them.
Macron being based for once
A rare sight
I know he's hated domestically, but as a foreigner I've always admired his politics. Seems like the ideal politician to me, but that might be coming from substantial ignorance.
Do keep in mind that France, who was plundering Africa, lost a LOT of money (Billions) when Mali, Burkina Faso, and Niger kicked the French out and made friends with Russia. The French leadership are not doing this out of heroism.
@@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive well yeah no shit, in international game of interest there is no good guys
I am still surprised by this
Macron was correct in his earlier assessments about Russia's place within the European history and despite his many flaws showed strong, cautious leadership while trying to negotiate with Putin and showing him that there was a way out of this mess. He has finally realised that Putin isn't a regular leader and can't be negotiated with which is why his stance changed. I absolutely agree that supporting Ukraine should be one of our top priorities right now because it is the only way to ensure a more peaceful Europe of tomorrow and that includes Russia. As long as Putin and his cronies are allowed to sit there executing their imperialist ambitions, none of us are safe and that includes their country's future which is currently headed towards a very dark path of Ruscism hell. I'm glad Macron changed his stance on this conflict, better late than never.
3:18 Macron never said Putin shouldn't be humiliated, he said _Russia_ shouldn't, huge difference.
bravo!
The discussions in TL;DR EU comments are usually pretty constructive, but damn, the amount of Russian "bots" in those comments, it's quite astonishing
Calling yourself Ukronzaibots.
Better calling yourself Ukronazibots!
BRILLIANT
IS CREATING GREAT MATHEMATICIANS
They told him to do so and he’s doing so …
I changed my mind on the french, they are cool now
Election season is one hell of a drug
isnt the next french election in 2027?
@@Widdlehammer Maybe he means the 2022 election, I'm not sure
@@Widdlehammer EU elections in June.
@@Widdlehammer it is and Macron is not eligible to run in that election, he's term limited. It's more the case of him knowing that history will not look kindly upon those that didn't do enough when it comes to Ukraine. Smart of him.
@@Widdlehammer EU elections.
It could be argued that Macron was vindicated, instead of embarrassed by the war in Ukraine. He said there won't be peace, and there isn't.
Because he wants war.
I found it was a very well played move. Support for Ukraine is slowing down, and rather than following the trend and let Russia wins, Macron decided France should open new factories and not fix any limits to war support.
I wonder what are your opinions on the support that should be bring to help Ukraine defend itself.
He sure shit aint gonna be on the frontlines though.
Most military jobs are professional roles. Why would an inexperienced person help?
And before you say the next thing, read some history. The amount of times the Greeks or Romans would vote for war then those same people would basically go get their weapons and armour should put that silly "if leaders fought their would be no war" idea to bed.
@@somethinglikethat2176 Tell that to the Ukranians pulled off the street to fight in this war. You do know the french and other european armies are smaller than ever. Do not think everyday citizens will be called up if the sh++ hits the fan
Good
Why don't we hear about the Bayractor drones anymore??
An excellent move by Macron of France.
The offer needs to be discussed & coordinated with Zelensky.
Other EU NATO nations have stated they are willing to join as well.
France counters Putin’s nuclear threat.
France cuts off Putin from his Trump rescue in November.
Well done France.