@@kotarobokuto1876 Kagyua expansive truth-seeking orbs is Featless. We hear Statements but nothing to prove it could do anything.. statements without Feats is empty. Unlike Naruto, Dragon Ball have feats and power scaling to back up its statements.
Funny people think planet or star level is fodder, but irl something that powerful would be considered a dimensional anomaly and would make u and ur dad cry. it’s not even remotely weak if we talk about general standards.
Based on the light novels, Momoshiki is stated to have created a parallel dimension. Parallel to the Naruto universe. Making him universal by default based on the capability of creating a universal sized structure. Being able to create, affect, or destroy a universal sized structure. Considering Naruto was more powerful than Momoshiki prior to consuming Kinshiki, this means he too is universal. Baryon mode multiplies his power millions of times. This alone would make him universal plus bare minimum.
You mean the same light novel that viz doesn’t consider apart of the official timeline? You mean the light novel where Boruto doesn’t even get his Karma. Which is a heavy aspect in the Boruto series. Momoshiki doesn’t make a parallel universe. Don’t lie
@Hystor1c. its even statedit in the preview for the anime episode. From what I've found, it's not stated anywhere that it's not Canon. I have been finding the opposite, and kishimoto himself is illustrating. Do you have proof or scans that show the writer or authCanon? right stating it's not canon?
@Hystor1c. I mean also based on the anime, there is a red shift nebula. Red shift nebulas are direct proof that a universe is ever expanding. Since the Anime is canon this can't be considered false, this means that not only did Momoshiki create a universe sized dimension, he created a universe that was ever expanding like a real one.
Yeah, some say he is solar system level just becuz Momoshiki can create solar system. Whatever, I don't get that logic like what the heck bro! Some even say Naruto beats Saitama which is even more ridiculous!!!
@@grandcanyon-fu9ztyes, I know, also the statement Momoshiki being solar system level is not really proven yet since he was only absorb the chakra from a supernova which is supernova was a star level means that Momoshiki most likely be below star level.
Naruto fans let it go naruto ain’t universal he hasn’t shown any feats to damage a whole solar system let alone a universe I’m putting naruto at two planets
Momoshiki created a parallel dimension that had countless stars planets moons and a nebulla, she can control time aswell putting her at 4D or higher. That was her in base, naruto at 50% or lower was swapping hands with her in a fused mode with kinkishi. Naruto in base from the novels was cracking space that toneri had to repair, just from existing. If naruto is cracking the literal universe in base then he’s scaled to universal, period!!!
@@Lordotsutsuki_T literal not evidence of you do have any vids or facts on it show him the link stop sitting there and saying oh she created multiple dimensions that makes her universal naruto hasn’t shown or have the attack potency to destroy one of kaguyas dimensions
@@shido_rimru_ Star level. in fact he could be argued solar system level for scaling to kaguya. Momoshiki is already confirmed star level he destroyed one and has multiple star level feats and statements. he’s consistently showed to be star level and naruto bitchslapped him, and baryon mode is like a 600x multiplier. he bitchslapped ishikki with it who is significantly more powerful than momoshiki, and combined with kinshiki momoshiki could be scaled to solar system. so that’s another solar feat for Naruto
@@Shutyourmouth20 what you are scaling off is kaguya who doesn't have any ap feats higher than ETSO which is planetary at best and Naruto didn't even directly oppose the attack which means he doesn't scale to he ap other wise he would have one shoted her and neither momoshiki nor isshiki has shown any solid feats greater than that
Universal fits if we took the novel but outerversal.......this exists and a lot of people deny outerversal scarlet king who actually has many feats and the cosmology makes him even higher
@@plzletmein3267 uhm actually there is a thing special in narrative it says that the scp verse follows a different progression more than the simple infinity of one two three so one two three a universe one two three a multiverse and it continues until there are metaversal(outerversal) horizons and the tree of knowledge has infnites of them and the scarlet king shook it by waking up and also there is an scp which is a platonic concept the foundation took and platonic concepts are outerversal by nature so if we conclude that this verse has scp 682,s avatar who's death destroys anything the universe than I conclude you know where I am going there are more than hundred way to give scarlet king outerversal high outerversal scaling and another famous way is the metaphysical architecture or the wanderers library which is the platonic concepts of a library which the scarlet destroyed not directly it was just an effect of his battle so even while not directly the scarlet king can destroy outerversal structures
@@plzletmein3267 yeah like man seriously like crimson king and gan are op they are basically the sides of the author at least from what I heard and true form pennywise which is basically outerversal and more they are basically scp but with far less stories and less characters
If you're trying to dismiss yin and yang being metaphysical by merely it being above all chakra natures wouldn't work,since in the databook Naruto with hagoromo's chakra(aka having control over yin/yang) was said to command all things in nature so it isn't merely a chakra nature+another supportive evidence for this is hagoromo scales to it and used it to create everything in nature
One issue, Space-Time are irrelevant to size, 4D is beyond dimensions such as length, width, and depth. You would also have to prove that what the vs battle wiki says is fact. (I am representing the person saying universal Naruto, not saying he’s outer or multiversal)
Hystor1c “concept of” the fourth dimension is beyond the 2nd dimensions which is length, the 3rd dimension is depth+length+width, the fourth dimension is infinitely beyond this.
@@hystor1c Also you basically said, “They are relative to size because you have to prove __” blatant reversal of the burden of proof, you have to prove YOUR claims before moving on.
@@hystor1c The quote “They are relevant in size because you would need to prove __” that is literally saying; “My point is valid because you have yet to prove a opposite (or differentiating) claim”. There is no straw man.
@@hystor1c thanks.. the UA-camr is pretty good at Power scaling and only relies on feats and power scaling because statements are worthless without the Feats to back it up. He power scale Yu Yu Hakusho but he will also power scale other shows.. his calculations are pretty accurate. You should check him out... he provided valid points that Naruto has No planet level feats.. slicing the Moon is not even impressive in the first place.. If Tonrei sliced the moon without a technique and shockwave of hand slash sliced the moon in half then it would be an impressive feat. For Example an average sized person destroying a Mountain from the shockwave of his or or her single punch would be much more impressive then a Kaiju rampaging and destroying a mountain.
@@hystor1c king bullet is a good ass debater and all of his vids are correct all you did was ignore scans like is legit says “creates These dimensions as she pleases” and their parallel to our universe which makes each of them universal in size
@@itchn1474 king bullet and noodle are hard-core Narutotards. All their points already got debunked and they were wanking the already wanked statements to get their favorite fodder ass on the lvl of ichigo, Saitama and goku
"You would have to prove Kaguya created these time spaces" 😭😭🤣🤣🤣 That's funny bc it's literally stated in the databooks that her rinnesharingan grants her the ability to create dimensions as she pleases. Also, the 3rd Hokage referred to the universe as being limitless when he spoke to Naruto, now, even though limitless may just mean that it's extremely vast, it's still a 4D construct. Kaguya's dimensions are parallel dimensions, meaning they have the properties of our world/universe. Completely vaporizing and creating these dimensions is a universal+ or low multiversal level feat. Now if you want to use the infinite scale, Naruto would be Multiversal+ but I feel as if Hiruzen saying the universe is limitless isnt good proof for it being infinite, for reasons I previously stated. Another thing I want to confirm, Hagoromo is nothing compared to outerversal. He did not transcend any concept. The only reason he was in the war arc is bc Naruto and Sasuke are the reincarnations of his children, Ashura and Indra. It's a little complex system with chakra but it does not transcend a concept, Hagoromo died long b4 war arc and b4 Naruto and Sasuke were born.
2:45 it is the same size as the narutoverse tho, naruto even called them ALTERNATE dimensions so therefore its the same size as the naruto verse. we can even prove it using databooks but it depends since you can translate the words in multiple ways. Also you're talking about 1 feat, and the feat you are talking about can be debated and is one of the most weaker ones.
That doesn't make them the same size Alternate equates to parallel which means things that co-exist simultaneously It doesn't mean that the alternate world is the same size as ours
@@teezus2036 bruh, something ALTERNATE or PARALLEL has to have the same size for the alternate things to happen, that would mean if i go in a part of the universe, the person who is the alternate dimension, where everything that i do, the other guy does the opposite, that would mean he would go backwards while i would go forwards and therefore by your logic he will disappear while im still walking and therefore he CANT do the opposite of what im doing. Parallel, dude seriously, parallel is even more obvious stop trolling
@@animeisbadngl my guy search up the definition of parallel 💀 It doesn't equate to same size or anything of the sorts and it was never stated that people from an alternate universe would be the same as people in our universe You're basing your argument off assumptions and not actual facts
@@teezus2036 you also basing it on assumpitons you have no prof to dissprove it and secondly momoshiki created a demension with a whole galaxy and destroyed it by creathing a red nebula which makes a galaxy size explosion
@@drama8335 a red nebula isn't only caused by an expanding universe There are 3 reasons for a redshift it doesn't automatically mean a universe is created It can be caused by an object traveling towards another object with a weaker gravitational force For all we know Momoshiki's universe could've only contained 2 planets And I'd also like to explain how the otsutsukis work They go from dimension to dimension stealing Chakra from planets and they then claim that dimension as their own, they then connect that dimension to other dimensions and that's how Kaguya created her "universe " So if anyone's assuming here it's you I just said a parallel universe doesn't equate to our universe because they merely exist simultaneously Y'all are the ones wanking on these characters and using assumptions to say their universe busters
I have naruto on solar system level+ ( i wrote this before watching the video) Edit: I got him to multiversal (I can show the scan) discord: Hiroaki#0196
but didnt momoshiki make a parrallel universe and naruto at base with about half his chakra drained could keep up with him, meaning at 100% base he would destroy atleast 2 universes and if he goes baryon mode its a multiplier making him atleast 3-4x universal, but anyways nice debunk bro
Some kid says that in quora kid naruto is universal and he or she said destroying an entire moon is continent level for the moon thing I’m talking about THE whole moon nothing left after it’s destroyed
Im one of the biggest naruto fans you'll talk to but people who arent real naruto fans throw out crazy scaling. And make him a god. The fact he isnt op or a god is what makes naruto the best mc in shonnen. Like if naruto was so strong he shoulda solo'd the verse. But he didnt he is dbz or bleach level. But that doesnt matter comparing universes is weird. because one fandom will always feel slighted. People just needa leave scaling and debating to people who eat and shit anime. Not casual or Above casual anime watchers or manga readers.
@@hystor1c Oh I see welp that sad but can you scale moon Knight then his kinda awesome too, also recommend to watch it if you want but I won't force you but if you want help to understand it I got you.
Ive seen a lot of niggas saying rimuru, anos, goku, saiki k, naruto claps every verse like bro they arent anywhere near Satan, Misogi Kumagawa, Medaka Kurokami, Giorno, Heaven Ascension DIO, Tetsuo Shima, Truth, Haruhi Suzumiya, Zeno, Homura Akemi, Madoka Kaname, Haruka Kaminogi, Lord of Nightmares, The Anti-Spiral, The Counter-Actor, Akuto Sai, The Law of Identity, Reinhard Heydrich, Hajun, Featherine, The Creator, Hades, Elder God Demonbane, Choushin
She does create them its stated everywhere if you look it up lol She also stated that she sought out Earth in Narutos Universe. So she has a time space that connects to 5 other that she created, and she was going to destroy them all.
1. Kurama tries to soul snatch naruto and naruto is able to resist with his on strength and chakra which is spiritual energy. Proving he has resistance to spiritual attacks it was only enhanced with kurama. 2. Kaguya dimensions are stated and translates by Viz to mean parallel dimension meaning identical to our own. There is about 8 reasons why naruto is above uni and you argued to very weak points while proving your also misinformed.
well heaven=spiritual and earth=physical and there called sekai so that means world,universe,society not a world there stars suns moons and cosmos not society there haven't shown people so thats leaves universe its stated she created them and she was going to destroy them and affected them so he multiverse and you can get him outer cause heaven and earth aswell as there it sated to be a hyperspace or a kekki so hyperspace would mean its 4-ifninte d so and kekki would mean a pocket universe a pocket universe is 300x the size of are universe so she 300x uni x 5 so kaguya can create and destroy and affect 1,500 universal time spaces so 1,500 4d universes so she mutiversal with hyperspaces shes muti-hyperversal
she is multiversal, she can create dimensions that are sized as big as a solar system, she created 5, and we see a sun in the dimensions meaning she is at least multiversal (also Idk if large star level > multiversal cuz I am new to this thing)
@@Keangk nope, if you can create dimensions t he size of solar systems, and 5 at that, puts her on mutliversal. I ain't stupid either I have done this research many times over and over.
@@roarsarch201 I agree naruto isn't universal but that's just going to far, naruto and ichigo are like around the same strength so like saying he beats naruto is ight but not the whole verse.
@@hystor1c a scan of six paths naruto that’s says he uses the principles of all creation meaning he has principle manipulation making him above any and every concept known to humans so he would be above the concepts of time and space and anything else putting sage of six paths naruto at outer
Ok naruto is hyperversall + why well firstly hes stronger than madara who's Susano is confirmed to be able to destroy the universe also hebi sasuke destroyed orochimarus universe and yes orochimarus universe was a universe because it was called a space space definiton: a boundless third dimensional place so yes it was a universe and kinshiki is a universal being he was stated to be able to split worlds which means universe literally and momoshiki is high universal and due to the fact that naruto in kcm1 is twice as strong as hebi sasuke hes already scaled to 4 universes and then later naruto gets kcm2 at this point hes atleast scaled to 8 universes sage mode gives a 60 times multiplier(that's simple if we scale naruto with rasenshuriken to 10 times less than the paths of pain in terms of power and then multiply that by 6 then its 60 times so 60*8 meaning 480 universes this is then squared by six paths sage mode meaning 230,400, universes and then this is squared by Baryon mode meaning 8000.6 duotrigintillion universes making him hyperversal and sasuke is equal to him in terms of power in adult six paths sage mode and adult six paths sage mode is squared by teen six paths sage mode meaning 7620.4 duotrigintillion universes so currently sasuke is slightly weaker than naruto but is hyperversal just like him and we will most likely get another power up for both of them so they could potentially get to omniversal if not outerversal
@@hystor1c hyperbolic I did research so much math legit had to give myself an iq of 150 to do this it took over an hour to find out his exact power level
Lmao nice joke.Base momoshik causally destroyed planets and created a galaxy and 50% naruto scales to base momoshiki.Naruto (no baryon mode) is universal+
@@Lkarma_65 @Anime Board Naruto at half his strength destroyed momoshiki when momoshiki was fused with kinshinki and had half his chakra.Base Momoshiki created an entire galaxy filled with plantets and stars.Creation >>> destruction.Base momoshiki also casually destroyed planets and absorbed the energy of stars and base Momoshiki is fodder compared to fused momosbiki.Base momoshiki is planet level and base naruto was able to tank hits from him and keep up.Base naruto also kept up with with fused momoshiki in taijustu for a while.Fused Momoshiki is beyond planet level
@@mightguy3118 Still does not prove anything. The manga shows the opposite. As long it keeps like this I won’t see it beyond or close to planet level buster. No where has been proved or shown that power. No wear is said he created galaxies something so smoked of fans. No wear is stated the are universal level of power. No feat of even planet on less is Kaguya. I have a theory their dimensions are pocket Dimensions. Making sense how can they even create them and be able to “destroy” Their not gods. Plus be able to create does not mean they have the destructive power of a Universal being or the Resistance/Durability of one too. The series shows the opposite. In the series shows how a plain ninja well trained can create lands or fields. The Otsutsuki take it in another level by combining the natures plus the amount of chakra together with Yin, Yang, Yin-Yang. Having all this and huge amounts of chakra can permit you do of anything. Imagine and create, Hagoromo having his mother in him is prove. The huge Budodama of Kaguya was going to destroy the planet, word, dimension, etc of hers for this ball be able to nullify anything do with chakra meaning Ninjutsu or Ninshu. Is simple basic logic implemented in beginnings of Naruto and Naruto Shippuden. It fits and explains perfectly why she can “destroy” and create a new one. After all a Budodama is composed of all the elements chakra natures. For Momo fits why is a pocket Dimension and be able absorb chakra like a type of Byokugo absorbing reserves of his own chakra he saved after all his dimension is made of his own chakra. Is just a Theory but fits perfectly and it makes sense without any contradictions on the power scaling of the show and the manga itself.
@@lalatui4539 bruv 💀 Those niggas legit place Sakura at Star level because she punched Kaguya I even debunked him on one of his videos when he took a statement out of context
DESTRUCTIVE POWER IS NOT THE ONLY THING TO SCALE SOMEONE. IF U WANT THE PROER SCALING FOR HIM, ILL GIVE U A VID,NOT LIKE THIS SHIT 1.5 MIN. 25 MIN VID WITH VALID FEATS
@@grandcanyon-fu9zt give some feat . Give some feat where Naruto actually destory a soler system . Not everything kaguya or momoshiki creates is on a soler system level
Amado basically explained that Momoshiki's dimension is a planet due to the God Tree, Naruto and Sasuke never argued with it so rest easy on the Universal theory Naruto fans.
Bro, tell me ,this fodder can't even breathe in space how can he even be compared to other planetary characters outside of narutoverse out of whom almost everyone can breathe in space.
I think he's universal since boruto naruto is crazy baryon mode naruto us much stronger than momoshiki and sasuke said he could see chakra being absorbed by momoshiki from another universe and he could turn that to infinity. And the road to ninja movie is authored by kishimoto and is posted in the 4th databooks so the movie is canon and kakashi seems to think that the limited tsukuyomi is a transportation jutsu so in theory it might just be another universe but if you want another one the ten tails is stated to create the universe and naruto is much much much stronger than the ten tails
Mb Ya'll at first it said i was scaling him to outer and uni. I was debunking him from those levels in the vid=
Quick question. How do we know Kaguya truth seeking orbs weren't going to keep expanding?
Here is link proving the Naruto is not even close to planet level. ua-cam.com/video/x6JEgYKASFM/v-deo.html
@@kotarobokuto1876 Kagyua expansive truth-seeking orbs is Featless. We hear Statements but nothing to prove it could do anything.. statements without Feats is empty. Unlike Naruto, Dragon Ball have feats and power scaling to back up its statements.
@@elpopman2055 Oh ok. Thank you 😁
@@user-re3nr9fd6f sure why not
Respect for this man, the naruto wankers are getting out of hand ive seen a boundless scan for him
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Naruto is planetary level.
Whoever says he's outerversal level is needs to check themselves in a mental institution.
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Bro search sung Jin woo Vs Naruto and you will find a guy who says that Naruto is outerversal . Even if you take novel Naruto he is not outerversal.
@@blackhole8029 Nope, that's not real Naruto is actually a planetary, Get ur facts real
he is easily solar system lvl
@@blackhole8029 Outerversal means that Naruto is nearing the same level of power as fucking The Presence and Cosmic Armor Superman. That's retarded.
Why this video has many dislikes? This man is spitting facts about Naruto not being universal.
Thanks man i appreciate it!
@@hystor1c well universal is understandable and makes since with momoshiki but anything above is just wank but hey at least they got hax
His ap is universal but dc and durability is not that's it
@@ayushmanchatterjee8721 Naruto is star level with wank.
@@ayushmanchatterjee8721 nah man this was a miss. He caps at planetary
No one has the mental capacity to scale naruto or goku to outerverse lvl. Only people that are mentally mad can do that
I just encountered this on tiktok. They said with his Yang Seal he has principle Manipulation, therefore he is Outerversal. 🤣🤣
It's somewhat feasible to get Goku to outerversal but u gotta be mentally ill to get naruto to outerversal ☠️
So I guess Quora has a ton of mentally mad people
One of the best debater on the planet
Y’all do realize that being outerversal would put Naruto on the same level as comic book god tiers right???
And Naruto > Goku ☠️
@@nathaneastman5556 *yamcha>>>>>>> fooderuto and naturo universal
@@nathaneastman5556 krillin solos his verse
@@hikid5009 yeahright naruto solos goku
@@Saintsuckahh proof
Legend for the debunk
Naruto is only planet level.
Agreed
Naruto is above planet level see you are downplaying naruto
@@trealyonwilliams3305 I was high balling to be generous 🤡
@@mycommentwilltriggeryou9810 to me Naruto Is continental or multi continental
@@jx8903 debate me
Naruto table level😭
Yes sir gotta spit facts every now and again lmaooo
Funny people think planet or star level is fodder, but irl something that powerful would be considered a dimensional anomaly and would make u and ur dad cry. it’s not even remotely weak if we talk about general standards.
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@@Shutyourmouth20 well no shit
Based on the light novels, Momoshiki is stated to have created a parallel dimension. Parallel to the Naruto universe. Making him universal by default based on the capability of creating a universal sized structure.
Being able to create, affect, or destroy a universal sized structure.
Considering Naruto was more powerful than Momoshiki prior to consuming Kinshiki, this means he too is universal. Baryon mode multiplies his power millions of times. This alone would make him universal plus bare minimum.
You mean the same light novel that viz doesn’t consider apart of the official timeline? You mean the light novel where Boruto doesn’t even get his Karma. Which is a heavy aspect in the Boruto series. Momoshiki doesn’t make a parallel universe. Don’t lie
@Hystor1c. its even statedit in the preview for the anime episode. From what I've found, it's not stated anywhere that it's not Canon. I have been finding the opposite, and kishimoto himself is illustrating. Do you have proof or scans that show the writer or authCanon? right stating it's not canon?
@Hystor1c. I mean also based on the anime, there is a red shift nebula. Red shift nebulas are direct proof that a universe is ever expanding. Since the Anime is canon this can't be considered false, this means that not only did Momoshiki create a universe sized dimension, he created a universe that was ever expanding like a real one.
@@rafi_sensei5421that’s was not momoshiki’s dimension idiot and no nebulas don’t = universe
@@rafi_sensei5421no kishimoto never confirmed this
Naruto is planetary
Yeah, some say he is solar system level just becuz Momoshiki can create solar system. Whatever, I don't get that logic like what the heck bro! Some even say Naruto beats Saitama which is even more ridiculous!!!
Baryon mode is star level range probably
@@nyusman_channel those are off panels and statements, we need to see legitimate scans.
@@grandcanyon-fu9ztyes, I know, also the statement Momoshiki being solar system level is not really proven yet since he was only absorb the chakra from a supernova which is supernova was a star level means that Momoshiki most likely be below star level.
@@nyusman_channel how large Kaguya's dimensions are precisely
bro fr sasuke and narutos strongest attacks wasint even close to destroying earth and otsutsukis have trouble destroying one planet
Naruto fans let it go naruto ain’t universal he hasn’t shown any feats to damage a whole solar system let alone a universe I’m putting naruto at two planets
@Scaling naruto watch seths video can naruto destroy a planet
Momoshiki created a parallel dimension that had countless stars planets moons and a nebulla, she can control time aswell putting her at 4D or higher. That was her in base, naruto at 50% or lower was swapping hands with her in a fused mode with kinkishi. Naruto in base from the novels was cracking space that toneri had to repair, just from existing. If naruto is cracking the literal universe in base then he’s scaled to universal, period!!!
I had a stroke reading this.
@@vardrids Must be illiterate 🤷🏾♂️
@Capricxrn Smh do u not know what parallel means, I’m guess not!!!
@Capricxrn ok so what is the dimension parallel too? Narutos universe!!!
@@Lordotsutsuki_T literal not evidence of you do have any vids or facts on it show him the link stop sitting there and saying oh she created multiple dimensions that makes her universal naruto hasn’t shown or have the attack potency to destroy one of kaguyas dimensions
Who tf argues outer Naruto outside devil's advocating?
Alot of people especially on tiktok
Dam mans really called naruto fodder didn’t have to be disrespectful I agree but dam lol 😂
He is fodder he is moon level
@@shido_rimru_ Star level. in fact he could be argued solar system level for scaling to kaguya. Momoshiki is already confirmed star level he destroyed one and has multiple star level feats and statements. he’s consistently showed to be star level and naruto bitchslapped him, and baryon mode is like a 600x multiplier. he bitchslapped ishikki with it who is significantly more powerful than momoshiki, and combined with kinshiki momoshiki could be scaled to solar system. so that’s another solar feat for Naruto
@@shido_rimru_ no he isn't hahahah
@@Shutyourmouth20 he's above star
@@Shutyourmouth20 what you are scaling off is kaguya who doesn't have any ap feats higher than ETSO which is planetary at best and Naruto didn't even directly oppose the attack which means he doesn't scale to he ap other wise he would have one shoted her and neither momoshiki nor isshiki has shown any solid feats greater than that
@kamularity this was 3 years ago but he still believes in this debunk
He isn’t even planetary level
He is planetary Seth the programmer did a vid it on he’s def not outer versal
@@tarm7625 I would say he is multi planetary in my opinion it’s ight if u don’t agree🤷♂️
I scale him to Solar System level
@@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 how?
@@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 I scale him to solar system level as well but only in baryon mode
You earned a sub
i agree with naruto not at outer but i think hes uni
He can't destroy a planet 😂 but only a moon sized one
@@DeathReaper980 ap is not equal to dc
Naruto can’t destroy a universe or even come close to it , he’s nowhere near universal
@@ayushmanchatterjee8721 what does dc mean
@@6ix9ineshadow destructive capacity
Universal fits if we took the novel but outerversal.......this exists and a lot of people deny outerversal scarlet king who actually has many feats and the cosmology makes him even higher
I though scarlet king was hyperversal
@@plzletmein3267 uhm actually there is a thing special in narrative it says that the scp verse follows a different progression more than the simple infinity of one two three so one two three a universe one two three a multiverse and it continues until there are metaversal(outerversal) horizons and the tree of knowledge has infnites of them and the scarlet king shook it by waking up and also there is an scp which is a platonic concept the foundation took and platonic concepts are outerversal by nature so if we conclude that this verse has scp 682,s avatar who's death destroys anything the universe than I conclude you know where I am going there are more than hundred way to give scarlet king outerversal high outerversal scaling and another famous way is the metaphysical architecture or the wanderers library which is the platonic concepts of a library which the scarlet destroyed not directly it was just an effect of his battle so even while not directly the scarlet king can destroy outerversal structures
@@johnthereaper7698 oh ok
@@johnthereaper7698 Stephen kings verse is also pretty crazy like that if not more so
@@plzletmein3267 yeah like man seriously like crimson king and gan are op they are basically the sides of the author at least from what I heard and true form pennywise which is basically outerversal and more they are basically scp but with far less stories and less characters
If you're trying to dismiss yin and yang being metaphysical by merely it being above all chakra natures wouldn't work,since in the databook Naruto with hagoromo's chakra(aka having control over yin/yang) was said to command all things in nature so it isn't merely a chakra nature+another supportive evidence for this is hagoromo scales to it and used it to create everything in nature
One issue, Space-Time are irrelevant to size, 4D is beyond dimensions such as length, width, and depth. You would also have to prove that what the vs battle wiki says is fact. (I am representing the person saying universal Naruto, not saying he’s outer or multiversal)
1. They are relevant in size consider the fact of how you would need to prove that the concept of 4d is fact
Hystor1c “concept of” the fourth dimension is beyond the 2nd dimensions which is length, the 3rd dimension is depth+length+width, the fourth dimension is infinitely beyond this.
@@hystor1c Also you basically said, “They are relative to size because you have to prove __” blatant reversal of the burden of proof, you have to prove YOUR claims before moving on.
@@BackwardsMMA um strawman much
@@hystor1c The quote “They are relevant in size because you would need to prove __” that is literally saying; “My point is valid because you have yet to prove a opposite (or differentiating) claim”. There is no straw man.
Damn, you spitting facts.
I Aim to please
@@hystor1c Good Video.. How do you feel about this Video Debunking the Naruto exaggerated feats. ua-cam.com/video/x6JEgYKASFM/v-deo.html
@@elpopman2055 definitely something i will do next week i will be out of town tmrw and for the rest of the week
@@hystor1c thanks.. the UA-camr is pretty good at Power scaling and only relies on feats and power scaling because statements are worthless without the Feats to back it up. He power scale Yu Yu Hakusho but he will also power scale other shows.. his calculations are pretty accurate. You should check him out... he provided valid points that Naruto has No planet level feats.. slicing the Moon is not even impressive in the first place.. If Tonrei sliced the moon without a technique and shockwave of hand slash sliced the moon in half then it would be an impressive feat.
For Example an average sized person destroying a Mountain from the shockwave of his or or her single punch would be much more impressive then a Kaiju rampaging and destroying a mountain.
@@elpopman2055 i got you bro
People think naruto is universal?
King bullet and many others
@@hystor1c king bullet is a good ass debater and all of his vids are correct all you did was ignore scans like is legit says “creates These dimensions as she pleases” and their parallel to our universe which makes each of them universal in size
Yes noodles got him to multiversal ☠️
@@hystor1c Don't really take them too seriously.
@@itchn1474 king bullet and noodle are hard-core Narutotards. All their points already got debunked and they were wanking the already wanked statements to get their favorite fodder ass on the lvl of ichigo, Saitama and goku
"You would have to prove Kaguya created these time spaces"
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That's funny bc it's literally stated in the databooks that her rinnesharingan grants her the ability to create dimensions as she pleases. Also, the 3rd Hokage referred to the universe as being limitless when he spoke to Naruto, now, even though limitless may just mean that it's extremely vast, it's still a 4D construct. Kaguya's dimensions are parallel dimensions, meaning they have the properties of our world/universe. Completely vaporizing and creating these dimensions is a universal+ or low multiversal level feat. Now if you want to use the infinite scale, Naruto would be Multiversal+ but I feel as if Hiruzen saying the universe is limitless isnt good proof for it being infinite, for reasons I previously stated.
Another thing I want to confirm, Hagoromo is nothing compared to outerversal. He did not transcend any concept. The only reason he was in the war arc is bc Naruto and Sasuke are the reincarnations of his children, Ashura and Indra. It's a little complex system with chakra but it does not transcend a concept, Hagoromo died long b4 war arc and b4 Naruto and Sasuke were born.
Lmao nome of the things u've said proved anything. Naruto isn't even remotely close to universal
Let me ask the Naruto fans a question when has any Naruto character even blown up a planet
They ain't insane as people who try to get springtrap outerversal
Anyone who says Naruto is above star level is dreaming. In my personal opinion he caps at planetary
2:45 it is the same size as the narutoverse tho, naruto even called them ALTERNATE dimensions so therefore its the same size as the naruto verse.
we can even prove it using databooks but it depends since you can translate the words in multiple ways.
Also you're talking about 1 feat, and the feat you are talking about can be debated and is one of the most weaker ones.
That doesn't make them the same size
Alternate equates to parallel which means things that co-exist simultaneously
It doesn't mean that the alternate world is the same size as ours
@@teezus2036 bruh, something ALTERNATE or PARALLEL has to have the same size for the alternate things to happen, that would mean if i go in a part of the universe, the person who is the alternate dimension, where everything that i do, the other guy does the opposite, that would mean he would go backwards while i would go forwards and therefore by your logic he will disappear while im still walking and therefore he CANT do the opposite of what im doing.
Parallel, dude seriously, parallel is even more obvious stop trolling
@@animeisbadngl my guy search up the definition of parallel 💀
It doesn't equate to same size or anything of the sorts and it was never stated that people from an alternate universe would be the same as people in our universe
You're basing your argument off assumptions and not actual facts
@@teezus2036 you also basing it on assumpitons you have no prof to dissprove it and secondly momoshiki created a demension with a whole galaxy and destroyed it by creathing a red nebula which makes a galaxy size explosion
@@drama8335 a red nebula isn't only caused by an expanding universe
There are 3 reasons for a redshift it doesn't automatically mean a universe is created
It can be caused by an object traveling towards another object with a weaker gravitational force
For all we know Momoshiki's universe could've only contained 2 planets
And I'd also like to explain how the otsutsukis work
They go from dimension to dimension stealing Chakra from planets and they then claim that dimension as their own, they then connect that dimension to other dimensions and that's how Kaguya created her "universe "
So if anyone's assuming here it's you
I just said a parallel universe doesn't equate to our universe because they merely exist simultaneously
Y'all are the ones wanking on these characters and using assumptions to say their universe busters
I have naruto on solar system level+ ( i wrote this before watching the video)
Edit: I got him to multiversal (I can show the scan) discord: Hiroaki#0196
Same
Fair
How explain this
@@dennisquiah7 Actually I have him on Multiversal (I can show you the scan, discord: Hiroaki#6969
@@hiroakisnipez367 🤨
meh uni in AP is debatable but outerversal is just trolling.
Agreed I agree in the universal BUT OUTRAVERSAL HECK NO
I will some how with galaxy or universal level but outerversal that mean he is on the level of Lucifer morningstar, Micheal demiurges , Lt oh fuck no
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Try believing that he can beat Dante
Which one?
One of devil may cry or one from black cover?
Dante is way too overkill even goku is enough
@@iamkartvya29 *z goku
Who the hell would scale naruto to outerversal?
but didnt momoshiki make a parrallel universe and naruto at base with about half his chakra drained could keep up with him, meaning at 100% base he would destroy atleast 2 universes and if he goes baryon mode its a multiplier making him atleast 3-4x universal, but anyways nice debunk bro
That's not how that works
This is the same Momoshiki that got killed by Boruto giant rasengan.
@@overlordzero316 you know what ap means?
@@DanielsTruths Parallel Universe is already a mistranslation.
@@lalatui4539all kids can say is mistranslation cuz they in denial
Some kid says that in quora kid naruto is universal and he or she said destroying an entire moon is continent level for the moon thing I’m talking about THE whole moon nothing left after it’s destroyed
This is why we stay away from quora
@@hystor1c yep definitely
Im one of the biggest naruto fans you'll talk to but people who arent real naruto fans throw out crazy scaling. And make him a god. The fact he isnt op or a god is what makes naruto the best mc in shonnen. Like if naruto was so strong he shoulda solo'd the verse. But he didnt he is dbz or bleach level. But that doesnt matter comparing universes is weird. because one fandom will always feel slighted. People just needa leave scaling and debating to people who eat and shit anime. Not casual or Above casual anime watchers or manga readers.
I agree
Check out the redux of my debunk
@@hystor1c will do good video btw
@@hdtvsavage8526 thank you
Nice vid man will you do a fate scaling?
To keep it real. I have never seen an episode of any fate series lmaooo
@@hystor1c Oh I see welp that sad but can you scale moon Knight then his kinda awesome too, also recommend to watch it if you want but I won't force you but if you want help to understand it I got you.
Also you and hapii117 is the one my fav on debunking wankers
Ive seen a lot of niggas saying rimuru, anos, goku, saiki k, naruto claps every verse like bro they arent anywhere near Satan, Misogi Kumagawa, Medaka Kurokami, Giorno, Heaven Ascension DIO, Tetsuo Shima, Truth, Haruhi Suzumiya, Zeno, Homura Akemi, Madoka Kaname, Haruka Kaminogi, Lord of Nightmares, The Anti-Spiral, The Counter-Actor, Akuto Sai, The Law of Identity, Reinhard Heydrich, Hajun, Featherine, The Creator, Hades, Elder God Demonbane, Choushin
tbh goku may be able to beat giorno and twoh dio
He’s either galaxy or uni
No he isnt lmaooo
Neither
She does create them its stated everywhere if you look it up lol
She also stated that she sought out Earth in Narutos Universe. So she has a time space that connects to 5 other that she created, and she was going to destroy them all.
Wtf 💀💀☠☠?
Naruto is large star level
Yeah no one ever put naruto at outerversal
People have
I saw someone put Naruto at the same level as pre retcon Molecule Man
@@hystor1c I have been debunked, people actually put Naruto at outer, and the proof is sustainable.
@@switzerlandgetsfit watch Noodles Scales video
1. Kurama tries to soul snatch naruto and naruto is able to resist with his on strength and chakra which is spiritual energy. Proving he has resistance to spiritual attacks it was only enhanced with kurama.
2. Kaguya dimensions are stated and translates by Viz to mean parallel dimension meaning identical to our own.
There is about 8 reasons why naruto is above uni and you argued to very weak points while proving your also misinformed.
Viz isnt always the correct translation. Are you forgetting something called human erro
@@hystor1c all kids can say is “it’s a mistranslation” Naruto is multiversal and you obviously can’t debate shit
It just proves kurama and his attacks are weak
Lmfao bro rly tried to say kaguya's dimension are universal
Naruto is country level
You joking?
@@DarkTemple34yes Naruto is moon level at best
@@Oneshotmaster256 He is universal we can always debate on it
@@DarkTemple34 so show me a universal feat from Naruto
@@Oneshotmaster256 Well I can’t show you anything on yt comments, but on discord I could
Naruto outerversal? XDDDDDD
Who said such idiocy? *XDDDDDDDDD*
You would honestly be surprised how many nasty discordians think this way
I saw someone saying that Naruto is at the same level as pre retcon Molecule Man
I have lose brain cells 😒
lmao
well heaven=spiritual and earth=physical and there called sekai so that means world,universe,society not a world there stars suns moons and cosmos not society there haven't shown people so thats leaves universe its stated she created them and she was going to destroy them and affected them so he multiverse and you can get him outer cause heaven and earth aswell as there it sated to be a hyperspace or a kekki so hyperspace would mean its 4-ifninte d so and kekki would mean a pocket universe a pocket universe is 300x the size of are universe so she 300x uni x 5 so kaguya can create and destroy and affect 1,500 universal time spaces so 1,500 4d universes so she mutiversal with hyperspaces shes muti-hyperversal
Naruto manga chapter 687
Lmfao. The shit u said already got debunked. Yall Narutotards need to grow the hell up
This is the dumbest shit I’ve heard in this comment section
Kaguya is large star level.
she is multiversal, she can create dimensions that are sized as big as a solar system, she created 5, and we see a sun in the dimensions meaning she is at least multiversal (also Idk if large star level > multiversal cuz I am new to this thing)
@@hiroakisnipez367 I have brain cells multiversal means a thousands of universe together
@@hiroakisnipez367 n it it's big as solar system that means it's a galaxy a small galaxy
@@Keangk nope, if you can create dimensions t he size of solar systems, and 5 at that, puts her on mutliversal. I ain't stupid either I have done this research many times over and over.
@@hiroakisnipez367 u have done research of fan boying
Your my friend thinks Naruto is outer and wants to debate you
Have him add my discord
Outer naruto 😂😂😂😂
@@testaccount2794 I know I keep on telling him that Naruto is not outer but he does not Believe me
@@abbashamad3040 i dont even know what makes people think hes outer
LMFAOOOOOOOOO
Yea you probably just noticed im debunking naruto
@@hystor1c W bro
@@hystor1c I hate people who say he's either levels. Ichigo solos the verse.
@@roarsarch201 I agree naruto isn't universal but that's just going to far, naruto and ichigo are like around the same strength so like saying he beats naruto is ight but not the whole verse.
@@roarsarch201 who is talking about ichigo
naruto is not outerversal but universal and there is proff
However that proof isnt concrete and gets easily debunked
Which has been debunked
@@momopokemon838 And the debunks were countered lol
Their is other ways to get naruto to universal
Drop them
@@hystor1c Tell them what Amado had said about the Otsutsuki members, the objective of the God Tree and Isshiki's power in full form.
@@lalatui4539 it’s norm thoes are trash statements
@@hystor1c a scan of six paths naruto that’s says he uses the principles of all creation meaning he has principle manipulation making him above any and every concept known to humans so he would be above the concepts of time and space and anything else putting sage of six paths naruto at outer
@@justableachfan1199 My goodness, you might as well say Nagato can pull the Universe at will because of the name he gave to one of his techniques 🤣.
IMEANWHATEVERNOWWHOSAYNARUTOOUTERVERSAL
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Naruto é planetário com muito esforço.
Multiversal*
@@beatrice949 No
@@beatrice949 lol he isnt even close to multiversal
@@testaccount2794 He is.
@@beatrice949 not even remotely close 💀
I have a universal momo scale i dont believe u can debunk
Drop it
Been 1 year bud
Ok naruto is hyperversall + why well firstly hes stronger than madara who's Susano is confirmed to be able to destroy the universe also hebi sasuke destroyed orochimarus universe and yes orochimarus universe was a universe because it was called a space space definiton: a boundless third dimensional place so yes it was a universe and kinshiki is a universal being he was stated to be able to split worlds which means universe literally and momoshiki is high universal and due to the fact that naruto in kcm1 is twice as strong as hebi sasuke hes already scaled to 4 universes and then later naruto gets kcm2 at this point hes atleast scaled to 8 universes sage mode gives a 60 times multiplier(that's simple if we scale naruto with rasenshuriken to 10 times less than the paths of pain in terms of power and then multiply that by 6 then its 60 times so 60*8 meaning 480 universes this is then squared by six paths sage mode meaning 230,400, universes and then this is squared by Baryon mode meaning 8000.6 duotrigintillion universes making him hyperversal and sasuke is equal to him in terms of power in adult six paths sage mode and adult six paths sage mode is squared by teen six paths sage mode meaning 7620.4 duotrigintillion universes so currently sasuke is slightly weaker than naruto but is hyperversal just like him and we will most likely get another power up for both of them so they could potentially get to omniversal if not outerversal
Imma make a video regarding your response
@@hystor1c go ahead my mathematical calculation was correct
@@jazeahluster2637 i care nothing about that. The fact of how you take hyperbolic statements and think they are accruate just makes no sense
@@hystor1c hyperbolic I did research so much math legit had to give myself an iq of 150 to do this it took over an hour to find out his exact power level
@@hystor1c they are accurate what research did you do what math did you do for over an hour
Naruto can’t even reach planet buster
Lmao nice joke.Base momoshik causally destroyed planets and created a galaxy and 50% naruto scales to base momoshiki.Naruto (no baryon mode) is universal+
@@mightguy3118 no feats
Thanks for the joke though
@@Lkarma_65 I'll prove naruto is beyond universal
@@Lkarma_65 @Anime Board Naruto at half his strength destroyed momoshiki when momoshiki was fused with kinshinki and had half his chakra.Base Momoshiki created an entire galaxy filled with plantets and stars.Creation >>> destruction.Base momoshiki also casually destroyed planets and absorbed the energy of stars and base Momoshiki is fodder compared to fused momosbiki.Base momoshiki is planet level and base naruto was able to tank hits from him and keep up.Base naruto also kept up with with fused momoshiki in taijustu for a while.Fused Momoshiki is beyond planet level
@@mightguy3118 Still does not prove anything. The manga shows the opposite. As long it keeps like this I won’t see it beyond or close to planet level buster. No where has been proved or shown that power. No wear is said he created galaxies something so smoked of fans. No wear is stated the are universal level of power. No feat of even planet on less is Kaguya.
I have a theory their dimensions are pocket Dimensions. Making sense how can they even create them and be able to “destroy” Their not gods.
Plus be able to create does not mean they have the destructive power of a Universal being or the Resistance/Durability of one too. The series shows the opposite. In the series shows how a plain ninja well trained can create lands or fields. The Otsutsuki take it in another level by combining the natures plus the amount of chakra together with Yin, Yang, Yin-Yang. Having all this and huge amounts of chakra can permit you do of anything. Imagine and create, Hagoromo having his mother in him is prove. The huge Budodama of Kaguya was going to destroy the planet, word, dimension, etc of hers for this ball be able to nullify anything do with chakra meaning Ninjutsu or Ninshu. Is simple basic logic implemented in beginnings of Naruto and Naruto Shippuden.
It fits and explains perfectly why she can “destroy” and create a new one. After all a Budodama is composed of all the elements chakra natures. For Momo fits why is a pocket Dimension and be able absorb chakra like a type of Byokugo absorbing reserves of his own chakra he saved after all his dimension is made of his own chakra. Is just a Theory but fits perfectly and it makes sense without any contradictions on the power scaling of the show and the manga itself.
He certainly isn't fodder but yeah uni and outer is wank
Daddy’s so strong but it isn’t yin and yang release
he’s light and dark🌝
I don’t use that scan🌝 and 4D=space time🌝🌝 space time=uni
that isn’t even a multi feat that’s my high ball it’s hot
@@lxve7720 you have to prove he is a concept of light and dark having dark fur doesnt make you yin and yang.
@@hystor1c lmao one represents light the other is dark
wait so you know that kaguya created the dimensions since u said u have to prove she created them.
No she didnt.
Thats now how her ability works
It is to transport through dimensions
Not create them
@@hystor1c she did created them it was stated many times, even kaguya said the dimension was for her.
Nice vid but why make a vid when 90% of the world knows naruto is no where universal or multi
Thats the reason i made the video. People actually think he is
@@hystor1c its cause those ppl are brainless
You'll be surprised, KingBullet and his fanbase are a different breed.
@@lalatui4539 bruv 💀
Those niggas legit place Sakura at Star level because she punched Kaguya
I even debunked him on one of his videos when he took a statement out of context
I saw someone saying that Naruto is at the same level as pre retcon Molecule Man
Lol debate king bullet
He lost to hapi lmaoooo not interested
@@hystor1c Lol who hapi never heard of him?
@@hystor1c I got the statement that kaguya's deminsions are universe's. 👿
@@hystor1c Got the statement where Kaguya's dimensions were only stated to be planet in size
@@kobe-d6z king bullet and noodles? The extreme Narutotards who got debunked? Lmao no way
Aw our little clown hystoric things he is good 😂
My nigga i have bitch slapped you 3 times in a fucking row my nigga leave me tf alone
Stfu
@@hystor1c Naruto is nowhere near Goku
@@Thechosen-o4b im aware of that
@@Thechosen-o4b bro read the title im debunking
DESTRUCTIVE POWER IS NOT THE ONLY THING TO SCALE SOMEONE.
IF U WANT THE PROER SCALING FOR HIM, ILL GIVE U A VID,NOT LIKE THIS SHIT 1.5 MIN. 25 MIN VID WITH VALID FEATS
Ok bud i was debunking arguments made for naruto being uni and outer so calm the fuck down buttercup its not that serious
@@hystor1c Naruto is Uni+
But not with destructive power as u mentioned, this com was ment for the audiance with 0 knowlage
@@edits4039 naruto doesn't have uni+ ap
@@edits4039 Naruto isn't even galaxy ap lmao
Bro actually Naruto is wank is universal . If normal than Naruto is atthe best is planetery level .
Agreed
Baryon mode is star level imo
@@grandcanyon-fu9zt give some feat . Give some feat where Naruto actually destory a soler system . Not everything kaguya or momoshiki creates is on a soler system level
@@blackhole8029 where did I say they're solar system level?
@@grandcanyon-fu9zt you said bayron mode is soler system . He fought isshiki . Was he on a soler system level
L0L
U kinda miss
Amado basically explained that Momoshiki's dimension is a planet due to the God Tree, Naruto and Sasuke never argued with it so rest easy on the Universal theory Naruto fans.
Bro, tell me ,this fodder can't even breathe in space how can he even be compared to other planetary characters outside of narutoverse out of whom almost everyone can breathe in space.
So you're saying that Goku is fodder compared to planetary beings because he can't breathe in space?
@@RoyalChallengerofBangalore he breathed in space against beerus
@@hallucin827 it's proofs try fight at atmosphere not outer space
@@hallucin827 that was in the stratosphere where he still had a pocket of air to breathe
@@fuckingking6796 it was the stratosphere
bro your voice -_-
I think he's universal since boruto naruto is crazy baryon mode naruto us much stronger than momoshiki and sasuke said he could see chakra being absorbed by momoshiki from another universe and he could turn that to infinity. And the road to ninja movie is authored by kishimoto and is posted in the 4th databooks so the movie is canon and kakashi seems to think that the limited tsukuyomi is a transportation jutsu so in theory it might just be another universe but if you want another one the ten tails is stated to create the universe and naruto is much much much stronger than the ten tails
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Lmfao tf kinda Narutotard scaling is this 💀
I only SMELL facts
naruto is 5d
No he isnt man
@@hystor1c he is he scales to momoshiki who is 5d
@@NarutoUzumaki-tz5ns momoshiki is not 5d
@@hystor1c he created a space time continuum thats a 5d feat
@@NarutoUzumaki-tz5ns no its not ill make a video on this
naruto is universal alright time to leave a dislike
He isnt but ok bud go ahead and leave a dislike
@@hystor1c So i read the title wrong and my writing sucks too. I meant to say naruto is universal? TIme to leave a dislike
@@somedanieiguy1 xD no feats
@@Lkarma_65 huh? Im on the side of naruto is not universal. And NOT that naruto is universal my spelling is just shit
@@somedanieiguy1 oh sorry dude, no worries I feel you
Naruto is barely planetary