Dr. Garry Nolan and Matthew Pines, "Standards of Evidence and UAP"
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- Stanford University School of Medicine professor and Sol cofounder Dr. Garry Nolan and SentinelOne Director of Intelligence Matthew Pines speak solo and in conversation on standards of evidence in science, intelligence analysis, and other fields and their relation to understanding UAP. Conversation from the second Sol Foundation Symposium, November 23, 2024, in San Francisco.
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I see Matthew Pines and Garry Nolan, I click. No questions asked.
Why?
Oh dangit, that was a question…
You click, as in you click your fingers? Sorry, another question there
@PyramidofGeezer click the video lol
Both are CIA assets.
lol same 😂 I love these dudes ❤❤❤
"Conclusions can be wrong, data is forever." Such a beautiful, elegant slap to the face
Reddit moment
*Dr Menzel rubs his hands*
Luckily theres also "alternative facts"! 😊
And vice versa . Relative to time . 😂 love goof minds with healthy discussion. I'm a way trust is morr vital than anything. I trust Gary nolan as much as u can trust a human
@@morbloe4559 - Reddit moments are everything. Life for likes.
YES dude. More intelligent individuals like these two need to be discussing this publicly. Thank you both :)
Two brilliant people speaking. I love listening to Garry, and Mathew. Together, is just inspiring.
No other person/scientists/I'd rather listen to/learn from than Gary Nolan. WOW. no drama, just data,and so much integrity, straightforwardness and courage. Kudus❤
I really respect his no nonsense, strictly science based approach while never discrediting any possible explanations. Keeping the Tom-foolery out of it to legitimize the phenomenon.
Legitimize? You keep using this word. I do not think it mean what you think it means. No other person/scientists are literally on the CIA payroll. If you can get your fingers out of your panties, you should be calling that a conflict of interest.
@@donniedeville5102 okay groomer
As a scientist, I simply enjoyed listening to Garry talk about how we use the scientific method to move from data to conclusions. So elegant.🤓
As a scientist, what is your take on UFOs?
@ I’ve been personally interested in UFOs since I was a little kid in the 80s. When Grusch testified, I took it seriously and have been paying attention to the recent developments and digging into the history of what we now call The Phenomenon. I try to maintain an open but discerning attitude, and I have a pretty fine filter for BS. Imo there are a lot of historical and recent data (both quantitative and quantitative) that I honestly have found extremely compelling - enough that it’s kept me quite engaged. I’m willing to say there is a there there, and have started becoming intrigued by the related consciousness issues. I’m very glad that Sol exists because the people here speak my language and I trust them to do their due diligence exploring the various hypotheses that need exploring. Maybe that’s not as definitive as you were looking for, but i am a biologist and we don’t do black and white thinking 😉
Always feels like Christmas when I listen to him
Thank you for organising this. I Use Sol always as a reference to people in the science world. Really well balanced speakers. Matthew Pines is a darn witty dude.
Thank you both gifted minds for bringing this topic to a broad audience.
Such an under shared Channel
Two of the best people to speak.
Excellent presentation, and vital concepts about the nature of science, Garry. Thank you.
Thank You Dr. Garry Nolan and Thank You Matthew Pines, from Germany. Thank You, for your excellent Work.
I'd like every amateur astronomer to send any data and a donation to the SOL foundation. It's time , We can now share what we have seen. It's ok to talk , Thanks to people like Dr Garry Nolan. Thank You.
Are you an amateur astronomer? If so what have you seen? A very convincing argument against these claims of UAP, is that all these astronomer's data is public and there really hasn't been much of a nose from many amateur astronomers on this subject. For instance John Michael Godier. In fact that is his argument, I do believe.
@@GabrielTheExplorer254 Why would an astronomer observe 'UAP' in our atmosphere as all their equipment is engineered to see outside our atmosphere?!?
eg: Have you ever used a telescope to record a 260kg satellite in orbit & been able to keep it in focus while it travels at 28,000klm? or a high speed jetfighter? .... equipment must match the intended object/study.
Fantastic duo 🤌
Perhaps the two smartest people investigating this topic.
I could listen to those two talk, infinitely. They have such an eloquent and articulate manner of conversation that is just, almost soothing. So refreshing to listen to.
Excellent presentation !!!! I am glad to see the consistency of the uploaded discussion. We need more academic discussions to raise awareness on how to properly conduct observational studies on the phenomenon for the common folks.
Thank you so much for all the effort involved in getting these videos out to us.
Thank you for all that work in there at Sol.
Thank you both Matthew Pines and Dr. Garry Nolan Immunologist for this SOL podcast, I really enjoyed listening to your talk, thank you. It makes us think outside the box. I can foresee that this is going to be very long thought processes that we humans should strive to understand. I hope that everyone in the SOL group begins to figure out how to teach our human race to adapt to realise we are not the dominant race, and we are not alone in the universe.
more videos with SOL
I was a believer in the standard UFO, but after reading more and more from Jacque Vallee, I’m not a firm believer anymore from the traditional little green man, but from something much bigger than “men from another planet”.
6:30 “One anecdote is an anecdote. Ten thousand anecdotes start to become data if they have a pattern...” Amen, Garry! It’s so frustrating when people dismiss “anecdotes” without doing the research to know about ALL the patterns that lie within those tens-of-thousands of individual data points.
With my UFO research playlists, I am trying to help people see these patterns in the available UFO data by collecting and categorizing videos here on UA-cam. I’ve added this to my “UFO - Garry Nolan, PhD” and “UFO - Matthew Pines” playlists. Check out those ones and my other playlists! 🛸👽✌🏼
Its applicable to abduction phenomenon also.
@@etbedtalksAOH Yep! I’ve got an abduction playlist too that is 80+ videos deep already, but I haven’t published it yet because it’s still far from complete. Stay tuned for that!
Agreed absolutely.
Also, whenever there is a video about abductions there are sooo many people with comments about the same experiences.
It's hundreds of anecdotes.
Also also didn't check out your playlists but regardless thanks for doing things that move the needle ^^ it's not always about whistleblowers and "evidence" it's a team effort in all fields , data collection is important.
If I see one more "correlation does not equal causation" on reddit, I will.... be miffed.
100 "correlations" equals.... SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT.
You mean like 'drone' related mass hysteria in New Jersey? :D
Thank you both for your efforts! Greats from Europe
One of the quickest clicks
Matthew is amazing! What an articulate speaker!
I usually take people with 1/4 zip more seriously. But for real, I appreciate the credibility and perspectives brought forth by Nolan and Pines. Thank you for your participation.
It brings me joy to see how Nolan was one of the first to stick his neck out and is fast becoming a pioneer on this subject.
I hope the rest of them kick them selves in 5 years time.
Gary’s becoming a f’ing superstar
Agree ! I am on a mission to try an get every amateur astronomer ''world wide'' to send any data and , a donation
to the SOL foundation. They totally deserve the help.
Looking very dapper gentlemen, thank you for your work
Thank you SOL!
Absolutely brilliant! Essential knowledge, not only in this context.
Such intelligent men and masters of industry acting ethically and professionally inspires hope to me. Thankyou. Its nice to know that the narcissists are not in the room nor on the board of this new movement. They can stay away and never return to government or senior advisor roles to government ever again. We need smart intelectuals at the forefront of this topic and subject. Which we currently do. Fantastic.
Amazing Doctor Garry Nolan 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
So thankful for these videos I love that we are focused on data. Nobody can deny data
Thank You
Daddy Garry💗💕💗
Lol. Garry knows he actually is our daddy 😍
Wow! Great video ! Amazing men amazing discussion
Brilliant, balanced and explained well for us non scientists. Pines is a mega articulate individual. Reminds me I need to read the dictionary more often 🤣🤣
This was great
Keep it coming SOL
Hell yeah...love me some Matthew Pines. 🧠
Also....FIRST!! 1️⃣
"Truths protective layers." - N.A
The only legitimate evidence we really have that is verifiable and released and confirmed is the UAP stuff with Graves, Fravor, and Dietrich. Other squadron pilots have yet to come out from those specific missions.
Prior to these encounters, which have only really been confirmed and acknowledged by the U.S. government since 2017, we had very little.
The Rendelsham witness statements, drawings, recordings, health records, and the British confirmation later of those events were really it. That was it, other than some obscure cases with radar or photos, or that are foreign cases no one wants to write news articles about and acknowledge in the U.S. media.
As of today, we have nothing from Grusch nor this new guy Barber. A grainy video is nothing. Those are on UA-cam and Twitter daily. There are no reports, records, details and where it is, what it is, no supporting egg witnesses.
Barber fired his original retrieval team, he said. Where are those guys? They only interviewed his current pals and partners.
There is no verifiable evidence, just claims and the refusal to answer in more detail because of secrecy and security classification.
These guys are distractions who have brought nothing tangible.
I think they're both part of larger operations and are distractions.
We were getting somewhere with the pilots and their unique unimpeachable encounters, but since then, the UFO discourse has been hijacked by the establishment.
This is why Grusch hijacked the hearings with Graves and Fravor.
This is why we have new trigger words like "biologics" and "psionics" to deal with.
They're priming tools, just like the political attack term "black pill" to insult anyone critical of Trump's policies with facts. Now, suddenly, you're a Debbie Downer or "black pill" if you make legitimate points the MAGA extremists don't want to think about.
In UFO circles, the whole "aliens" thing destroyed the credibility and legitimacy of the field.
Now we have psionics and biologics being used with aliens to distract from the real evidence, which is that we have unknown objects we need to study and figure out.
Let's stick to the evidence. We know they're real, let's focus on a citizen-funded radar grid to set up in our homes to track these objects at the civilian level.
Let's keep supporting the new telescopes and A.I. software, which can help is to sort through all that space data.
Let's keep trying to find anomalous foreign debris and test it.
Stay away from rabbit holes with no actual evidence. Verify claims. Unverifiable claims belong in a 200 year old pile of anecdotal odd claims. Focus on what is verifiable and tangible. How can we scientifically sort this out?
Knuth's archival research was brilliant. That was a novel way to analyze what we know.
The archival comparisons of celestial body dissapearances since the mid-century, that's novel.
The Grusch and Barber roads have every indication of being neither novel nor sincere. They have the hallmarks of psy ops.
When did Gary Nolan get fit?
Teach 'em Garry!
I love you guys
Oooh,… Nolan and Pines 👍
Standards of evidence in UFO-ology would be a good idea.
There is only one required standard of evidence on the subject of UAP.
"Show me the UAP".
An actual alien would be better. Many people would claim a UFO, regardless of performance, represented Chinese or Russian black tech.
To simplify, with regard to the hypothesis that the UAP represent a threat to national security, scientific standards do not need to be met in order to assess a potential of threat high enough to take action. But in the case of UAP the data and evidence support a hypothesis that an alien technology is far superior, yet without data about intent, no security policy can be adequately created. Thus, in the absence of even tentative conclusions, the response has historically been to ignore and even suppress the data.
Very good
Now we are entering the era of content content content. "Ka-ching"
0:33 Oh boom!!! Here for the names in the title. Let’s go boys. 🍿
I’m no scientist but I think he’s got it backwards, he’s the ones who’s trying to prove the existence of UAP , so I think it’s him that needs to provide evidence of existence not the other way around.
He's saying there are so many varieties of evidence right now, you can request the type you would find convincing, and he will deliver.
You always learn from Garry Nolan.
Garry, You stated 100% when asked how sure you were of your statement to the speaker at the S.A.L.T. Conference in 2023 of "E.T. are here" Your reply Garry was an unambiguous and categorical one of, "100%", then i listened to this S.O.L. Podcast, With nothing added or taken away from both the S.A.L.T. Conference in 2023 and here at the S.O.L. Symposium in 2024, from "the DATA before me of (both events) S.O.L. stands for "Subterfuge Obfuscating Liers" would anyone care to peer-review both lots of data (both events) and concur in my findings?
Yes Dr Nolan go after those illegal PATENTS!!!
interesting discourse...
Current heroes of the “nuts and bolts” crowd. Myself included!
More like Dr Gary 'Swole' Nolan! Homie be hitting the gym.
matt pines is the man
it seems pretty crazy that we are talking about world and paradigm shifting technology and most of what is being talked about is venture capital...
Garry looking fly AF in that shirt ngl.
Great profound teaching moment - Gary having to teach scientists what they should already know - how to behave like a scientist - how sad and how ironic - Love Gary
🎉🎉
Sadly, the general public wants proof, not evidence. And, this could be the most important issue of our entire existence, or of singular existence.
13:30 well defined for ic thought processing
Matthew Pines should attempt speaking normally, instead of these "heresmydefaultcorporate ultrasmartwayospeaking likesittingatabusinessmeeting" mannerisms.
Pines just loves the sound of his own voice. Never gives specifics about anything, let alone specific answers. Always just sweeping statements. He gives this speech no matter what he is asked. An absolute dinner party bore
Great thanks for the summary on data and conclusions, not show me the evidence
AARO: Conclusions by proclamation.
Sean Kirkpatrick: Disinformation funded by taxpayer money.
😮
Another 32 minutes of UAP/alien conversation, and still no UAP or aliens.
Go then and watch the click bait " OMG IT'S A ALIEN MOTHER SHIP IN MY BASEMENT" videos or something like that.
SOL isn't about pictures and evidence.
You at the wrong place buddy sorry
@tomislavrasic7766 tried that. No actual aliens/UAP there either, that's why you correctly called it clickbait.
you are changing the standards of evidence to meet the standards of the field (which are non existent), instead of the other way around. You have lost all credibility. Clowns.
Hypothesis: Intelligence underived from our solar system exists, even transiently, in our spacetime on and near Earth.
Null Hypothesis: No intelligence of any off-world derivation exists in our spacetime on or near Earth.
Design an experiment to test and collect data that proves either hypothesis.
How do you spell his name?
30:14 i guess thr b issue comes down to awareness or communication. Like parking tickets etc. 😂 where's a sign saying i cant park here or do i need a permit. No sign no deal! I think this is a really interesting point of view. Because when you think about now, I'm talking. In theory, hypothetically, but in a lot of the stories of abductions, you hear about these Stories of people being messed with in various ways and we think about how awful is that? What do you think about it? Is reference to let's say an sentient Being capable of interplanetary travel in relatively short periodd og time with less ability to rehulste entry. If they entered into our atmosphere or planet( does this include our moon? Id it ours? 😂and they had to go to multiple planets. How would they decide? What are the rules on how you treat? Scenting life on that planet and I would imagine it would be something like well. How what is the standard of care on this planet and if an alien came and had to? Abduct human or interact with the human. They would say well, look look what you're doing to the cattle over there. Or look how you tagged that shark. Or that mountain in lying the other day. I'm just going by your ethical standards on your planet. I
Does SOL stand for something ? BT 🇨🇦
SOL is the latin word for Sun.
@ thank you Gary. BT 🇨🇦
Matthew is like the human Chat GPT
I hope the CERN guy attended this talk. And maybe humbled himself a bit😂
Mathew you have a motor mourh😂😂😂
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no clicker Gary ? oh maaann
Gary been working out
When trying to prove God is real finding the proof is the hardest thing to do, Proving telepathy , Spirits , demons , Angels , maybe can not be proven either ,Non Human Intelligence can be shown through animals living their life with an intelligence not taught to them ,or is it nurture and copy ,
Ridiculous, he's a researcher and people ask him to see proof so he responds with "what research have *you* done?" This makes no sense. Imagine asking about new arthritis research, and the medical researcher responds by asking you what research *you've* done into arthritis.
Dr Nolan is always best, but Pine speaks with so much jargon and broad terms that he's almost unintelligible, anyone knows what his role is in this uap subject?
This "phenomenon" a spiritual matter. Scientists need to be in the background with a very limited role not hijacking the conversation. They're clueless
We just need to see an 👽 shake hands with Donald Trump then we'll believe
I am not convinced at all that there are extraterrestrial life visiting earth. My opinion it seems like misidentifications.
Say hello to the CIA for me, Matthew
Raised catholic but brought up Jewish! Im not alone!:😂
Nolan is great but I don’t like this other guy, I’ve seen him on other podcasts and he always talks super fast, and uses a lot big words or expanded vocabulary but it doesn’t translate into anything meaningful or create better understanding by the listener. Perhaps if he slowed down a lot and narrowed his thoughts down to a singular cogent thought it would be helpful. Maybe skip the adderall!
Matthew Pines needs to speak slower. I feel like I’m listening to a commercial.
Господи, сколько пустой болтовни вместо разговора по делу. Видимо, дел у этих ребят никаких нет, только болтовня.
Nolan talks so much and says nothing.
Dr of lies.