If the temporary traffic signals are set to vehicle actuation (VA) mode, approaching vehicles need to be moving at 5mph+ to ensure they are detected. In the event of no approaching traffic being detected for two-and-a-half minutes, the signal head should automatically generate a detection event.
Graham Smith Thanks Graham! Someone who knows what they are talking about! Can you clarify for everyone if possible? “Does flashing headlights cause the temporary lights to sense the approaching vehicle or is it movement within the sensor range?” Kind regards, Ashley
No, Ashley Neal, that’s an urban myth that arose out of the fact that, prior to something like 2002 when the law changed, temporary traffic signals used to be advisory, not mandatory. If approaching a temporary traffic signal that was turning red, a courteous driver would flash their vehicle’s headlights to indicate to traffic stopped at the opposing head that it was okay for them to proceed. And that’s how the myth that flashing headlights causes temporary signals to change arose!
That's great! I know exactly how they work, but it's nice for someone with good knowledge to back me up. Do you mind me pinning your post to help educate others about this post? Ashley
@@AppleGameification What on earth are you watching? The engine isn't even on when the learner stops behind him, whilst the learner is stationary the guy turns his engine on and puts it into reverse, the lights turn green but they dont move because of the digger and the van reverses a little bit but then stops too. The light turns red again before the digger has even completely passed so neither of them can go. Ashley then states the sensor needs to be triggered before it changes and to give the Van a chance to move first, there's a 20 second gap between the digger passing and them moving forward and in that 20 seconds the Van didn't move in the slightest.
@@AppleGameification You see him walking over to the van after the digger has already cleared and there was still no effort made before they started talking but even if that's the the perspective you wanna take, lets just go with it. Who knows how long they could have been speaking for, it could last 30 seconds, a couple of minutes, maybe longer and in the meantime that sensor isn't being triggered. So everybody should just wait around for the workers to have a little chat shall they? You're a moron, jog on.
I'm not sure how the guy in the "JCB" could have known the lights were changing. I'm gonna guess he needed to go that way and saw that the car was stopped, so he took that opportunity. Seems fair to me.
@@gregoryashton Well no, I don't take that much of an interest in them lol. Or if I did, I'd probably assume that it was something to do with the workings of the light or something.
I had no idea roadworks traffic lights had proximity sensors. I always thought they were on timers. If I was in that situation, I’d have been stuck there for some time wondering why the hell the light is stuck in red!
Construction equipment like that digger have a similar exemption that farm tractors have for use on the road so unless the young lad operating it was driving off to the shops it's perfectly legal to be used on the road to proceed and from sites where it's to be used. Now on the insurance thing I'm no expert but I'm going to assume that this vehicle would be covered by the construction/rental company's fleet insurance policy.
@@Maxsdiscos you assume wrong , there is no way a main contractor would let a vehicle move on a road without being road legal . health and safety and liability being the reason
Most bizarre temporary traffic light experience? Once, travelling back to Dorset from Wales, I was stuck behind a contractors van towing a trailer full of temporary traffic light units (presumably taking them back to the depot). The bizarre thing was, the ones right at the back (facing me) were still working and going through the timed sequence. Every time they changed to red, I thought should I technically be stopping now? 😂
I had something like this on my test. Temp lights just would not change. There were people just going through them. I obviously waited as I was on a test. Then the examiner told me to go. I just did a MSM and checked my blind spot and went.
@Ashley Neal Any thoughts on that situation? Would that still be a fail if following the examiners instructions? (IT would be a bit unreasonable if it were the case I would think)
@@tiberiancostal1358 I am pretty certain that in a situation like this, if an examiner issues an instruction that would be in breach of the rules it would basically be considered pausing the test which is something that sometimes happens if a situation occurs that can't be accounted for. Where I did my motorcycle test, the test centre road exited straight onto a very busy street ... normally if you were turning right you would force your way out, but you can't do that on test so regularly examiners would suspend the test, force it alongside you, and then resume the rest.
Presuming no one was behind. The correct thing to do would be to reverse a few metres. Moving forward blocked the middle of the road with 0 effect on the lights. If you obstructed the road and made a lorry drive up on the pavement like that during your test it would not be good
@@AndrooUK Do you expect the truck to just sit there until the leaner (who was blocking both lanes) moved? If there was no one behind the learner should have reversed and stayed within the left hand lane. Crap parking on behalf of the white van and the digger should not have gone when it did.
The lorry could have stopped at the other side of the lights if he were on a test. It's clearly visible from there that the road is blocked ahead. That tipper was empty but I would have been hesitating pulling a fully loaded 44t lorry up the kerb on that grass verge.
All they had to do was reverse a little (if clear behind...obvs), let the idiot van driver rejoin the road which presumably would have triggered the sensor on the traffic lights. You're welcome!! 😆
mattyyeddy❤™ // RTM-Matty I did motorcycle basic training day and we came up to 3 sets of temporary traffic lights and all 3 failed to detect the bikes. I now have a passion of hating them and a love for my instructor that blasted through them.
When I’m on my motorbike I normally give it a good look and if it’s clear I go through them because of that exact problem but when I’m in my car I tend to just wait😂
Worst I ever had was temporary lights on the A82 at Glencoe - 2AM, queue of about 30 cars... Eventually we all conga-lined it through... Nobody coming in the opposite direction...
Those lights are a pain in the ass, a lot of people slow down to much when approaching the lights and the sensor won't register you're there, flashing lights at them does nothing as they pick up movement, thankfully the guy working there had some sense n helps you out 😁
They use a doppler microwave so looking for the freq. change on reflection. Same used at pedestrian crossings for traffic and people crossing. In this case i think it was confused by the stationary van.
@@nathan9048 To be fair (s)he goes into no details about what treating it 'like a broken traffic light' actually entails, and said details, if provided, might potentially change your opinion of them.
the driver of that digger is breaking the law..they are not allowed on public highways without and escort or on a loader of some sort. lights are required aswell as registration numbers etc....certainly not allowed to break the cordon of a traffic light..just truly pathetic idiots working where they shouldnt be.that white van should not have been parked where it was...this should have been reported to the highways agency...
Regarding the sensor: the usual here in the Netherlands is that a fixed interval is set instead of having a sensor detect motion. It never fails, it doesn't require stopped traffic to move and the interval can be adjusted to the length of the blocked lane.
The lights can also be set to "stay on red" hence why the worker had to go behind the light to change it. Therr are 3 settings. 1 is vehicle activation, 2 is stay on red and 3 is a timer. So no matter how fast and how much the car would move the lights wouldnt have changed
Sometimes we even have cones marking off a short section of road say about 20m long with nothing there except the cones and then install 3 way traffic lights with work finishing on a Thursday, then leave the lights and cones in place all weekend doing nothing but pissing people off all weekend while waiting for someone to remove them on a Monday because that's the days the job sheet says it will finish. Gotta love programmed works.
I would of waited where it says to wait, next to the red sign right away.. That's why its there.. The twat who parked the van and your positioning have caused the lorry to mount the kerb just to get passed you.. That can be seen as a poor lack of judgement and an instant fail when I passed test 1985.... The van is the cause of it all not you..
I actually had something similar to this on a lesson I had, but it was actually a side road light on a junction that just did not wanna know, so we had to practically crawl over the white line to trigger the sensors
I was once at the front of a queue at some permanent traffic lights that were not picking me up and just stayed red. I tried getting out and pressing the pedestrian button to see if it would reset the sequence and let me out but nothing ever happened. I eventually had to edge out slowly on the red and presumably they started working again after that.
I had four way temporary traffic lights set up near mine for weeks and the sensors were swivelled round and pointing into a field. It drove me crazy especially at night when I was pretty sure there was no other traffic. My son got stuck at some roadworks and the lights never changed, he was on a motorcycle, so he eventually went through using caution and PC Plod was parked out of sight. He managed to talk his way out of a ticket probably because it would have been hard to prove his guilt but he was late for the job interview that he was heading to. Now I know that you have to move at 5 mph I will pass it on.
I had a situation where I was stuck at these kind of lights for over 10 minutes before. It was 2 in the morning and I caught up to a car that was waiting at a red light like this. We sat for about 8-10 minutes engines off waiting for them to change. Then I got bored and put my hazards on and just went through, as I pulled out in front of the other vehicle they changed. My first thought and thought up until watching this was that someone had broken them- for the 3 nights prior to that someone had pulled the construction lights over (probably kids) and I'd had to go and pick them up because no one else would have done it. So my first thought was the one on the other end had been taken down, but on a 60 road I wasn't willing to just drive through at first in case a truck was coming the other way.
Lights like that have (or had, a few years ago) only 8 hour batteries. At one point on my dads commute to work there was a 1 mile stretch of road put down to single lane by roadworks. There was multiple corners so you couldn't see the road ahead. Workers would clock off at 6pm and turn off the generators and the lights would run until 2am at which point they all defaulted to red. He would pull up to the lights at 6am and usually wait an hour or so before police officers showed up to control traffic from 7am to 8/9am when the workers showed up and turned the generators back on.
Had something similar to this as a learner once, temp lights were green but halfway through the contraflow a bunch of workers came out of the construction area and blocked me for a minute or two. By the time I got going cars had come the other way, so I had to reverse back through the contraflow with more cars waiting behind me. I feel the workers are often quite inconsiderate at these setups
Yeah. Some construction workers aren't the brightest. In Australia, if they need to move anything in/out of the work zone via the controlled road, they'll switch the lights all red manually or turn them off and use manual stop/slow signs until the move is done.
That happened to me once when I was on the way home from work. The temporary traffic lights were red for over 5 mins and there was no incoming vehicles but a long queue behind me. Some drivers gave up. They just drove past the red lights and I followed them
Instructor should of made the learner stay behind the van where he was to start with instead of encroaching on the line blocking the lorry and other oncoming cars.
@@TinedCleric oh dear. the traffic light senses movement. if you stop way back there behind the van, the light would never go green. it seems even the contractor didnt consider this when he parked in front of it.
You say ‘make sense’ a lot after you’ve explained something to your student which is exactly what my motorcycle instructor used to do. Is it part of instructor training. Just made me chuckle that’s all.
I was expecting this to be a long stretch with time based lights set up wrong... When the highway near where I live was being rebuilt a few years back, they never bothered adjusting the timing on the lights as they moved along. So sometimes you'd have red for 5 minutes after the traffic all cleared... And sometimes if people did the posted 40km/h limit, you'd get about 1/3 of the way along and find more cars coming head on. Most regular users of the road learned quickly to ignore the 40 signs and do 60 instead.
Another problem, loops in the road. Some folks hold back at junctions and don't sit over the loop. Then they find the lights cycle without giving them a green.
As someone skilled to set up temp lights….not that we do it much as we get a contractor usually…..I was told….14 years ago that you need about 5mph to activate the sensor.
You can also jump out if it’s safe and move ur hand fast up close to the sensor…..then quickly get back to ur car and they will change. How long depends on the total red time which is based on the length of the works.
If its not on va veichle approach sensors dnt work three settings on these va fixed time or manually ask any traffic managment operative but should be on va and it would of picked you uo from behind white van should of stayed behind the white van in my eyes persnally
I hate these situations, especially when you can’t see the cars coming the other direction. Why don’t the lights have a maximum time they stay on red to catch these edge cases? If it’s been on red for a minute, 2 mins, switch to green just in case there’s a sensor fault.
I had a situation at around 1 in the morning once, no workers around, not even any other cars around, got to the red temporary traffic light and waited about 10 minutes for it to change, it just never did. I could see the other traffic light in front of me the whole time which was also red (I could see what colour the other traffic light was showing through a reflection). Ended up just going through it, when I checked my rear view mirror the one I waited at finally changed to green as I was went past it. (Could see the ground was lit up green) Absolutely bizarre.
3 times in a year we had to go through temporary traffic lights on red, as they were broken and just stayed permanently red for everyone. Once was particularly awkward, as it was 3 way lights, and one couldn't see what was coming from the left. We were waiting behind a car for about 3 minutes, with cars visible, waiting straight ahead. Eventually, a car came from the left and stopped next to the car in front of us and explained the situation. Another time, as crossroads with permanent lights, a police car was waiting at the head of the queue for a very long time. Someone partially pulled out of a dead end side road into the one way road where we were waiting, got out, had a word with the police and then returned to their vehicle. Rather than drive through, stop, and attempt to direct traffic through the malfunctioning lights, they just drove off.
This is even more awkward than the night when I got out of bed to go for a pee, went through the wrong door and found myself locked out of my hotel room, naked and dying for a pee. Saw a plant at the end of the corridor and relieved myself there, looked over to my right and realised that I was in full view of a wedding party and everyone was staring at me.
It scans for objects repeatedly at a set interval (most likely somewhere between 100ms and 1s) and identifies whether there is movement within range, if nothing has moved it assumes nothing is there. The method is different, but the result very much like PIR except it works with all objects not just heat/animals/humans. It doesn't know what it's surroundings are, walls, houses, tree's, parked vehicles, road cones, etc, it pings out, takes a snap shot of the returning "image" and then does the same again and compares the two returning "images", if something has changed within a set tolerance then it assumes movement. I actually have an omni-directional microwave doppler radar sensor inside my car, when the ignition is off, it's dark enough and an object moves in range (currently 5 meters), it turns on my LED corner lights to make the car visible and hopefully stop blind idiots hitting it at night or in poorly lit carparks...... But only movement actually triggers it.
I once had a really awkward one where they backed on to a roundabout. Our side got a few seconds of green - and the oncoming traffic was backed up from the roundabout. Then over a minute of us sat at a red light until the next wave. After about 1/2 hour of making no progress, we just had to jump the light (liberal use of the horn was applied)
I thought you were wrong for making your pupil pull up to the light and cross the dividing line, the lorry had to mount kerb, temporary traffic lights will change automatically as they are connected
It’s a traffic signal, same rules apply regardless of it’s a permanent or temporary installation. And that’s also the case with stop/go signs Doesn’t matter if your exit is clear, if it’s red you stop. You might not know if it’s 2-way, 3-way, 4-way etc controlled.
If you look at the little black sensor box on the top of the lights there is a red LED that comes on when it senses a vehicle. You know it's seen you then.
I remember being held up for 15 mins at s set of lights:- EVERY time traffic the other was stopped the workmen ran dumper trucks through so we couldn’t go.
Out of interest Ashley, how would you deal with a case of completely failed traffic lights (as in no lights at all), where you cannot easily see traffic on the other side? What's the law in that case?
@@mrrandomgames95 The Highway Code disagrees with you: "...If the traffic lights are not working, treat the situation as you would an unmarked junction and proceed with great care." "At an unmarked crossroads no one has priority. If there are no road signs or markings do not assume that you have priority. Remember that other drivers may assume they have the right to go. No type of vehicle has priority but it’s courteous to give way to large vehicles. Also look out in particular for cyclists and motorcyclists."
The magnetic strips in the road ones are the best! If you have an issue going first time through, (like this video) you have to drive off them, then back on. In traffic, some times it's very hard to do.
This happened to me on holiday once in wales when i was out cycling. the temp lights my side were red and after waiting for a few minutes i cautiously passed the red. turns out the lights at other end of the section were not even turned on! so the red my side was never going to change anyway!
Ashley, I'm a novice driver, who has been driving for just over a year now and this morning coming home from work, I went past a road where there are cars parked on the road on the left hand lane, wherein I'd have to pull out to the oncoming lane to proceed. With there being a few gaps and not wanting to impede oncoming traffic, I saw someone coming round the corner heading in my direction. Given the speed I was travelling at and the distance between the gap I had currently to pull in and the next available gap before I could let them pass, I did and emergency stop of sorts and pulled in. I'm aware that if a car was behind me, this could have been a silly decision. Was I wrong in doing so? Thank you in advance.
Marakim63 sounds good to me. Just try and plan these situations a little earlier so you lessen the chance of sharp braking with a car being close behind. Hope this makes sense? Thanks, Ashley.
An update to traffic light technology could greatly improve flow, reduce pollution and increase safety. Modern technology and image processing can easily recognise vehicles pedestrians cyclists etc. This could sit on top of the existing fail safe system avoiding unnecessary stops at average /low traffic levels. It could also for example add extra margin for safety when it detects a cyclist or pedestrian and just stick to normal timing when there aren't any cyclists / peds
I never heard of such lights having sensors. I thought they were all just timer-based. Can't say I have ever seen one opportunistically go green as I approached. Maybe they use dumber mechanisms where I live.
The truck at 2.50 had to go on to the pavement because the car had gone over the centre line. Would the learner not fail for that if he did that on a test?
Happened to me yesterday CAR was in front of me and the temp traffic lights were stuck on red due to a skip lorry backing out of a drive way The car in front wasn’t moving at all Must of been 5 mins of traffic coming the other way with gaps of 20 seconds every so often I judged it was safe and over took and went through So did the rest of the traffic behind me which I guess triggered the sensor They should have a default mode after so long being on red
Encountered a situation recently when traffic lights failed and became stuck in a default mode - red all ways. Drivers had to use a combination of courtesy and common sense to proceed! Luckily everyone was extremely cautious.
Red all ways seems like a very silly method. I think a new system should be introduced, like a constant flashing red. Which would indicate a fault and act as a stop sign. Stop and proceed with caution. Yield right of way to others already on junction.
Temporary traffic lights will change after the default timeout of 2.5 mins per side so potentially a 5 minute wait at best. Nothing to do with light. Movement only a small part. Once detection zones setup, it will detect whether moving or not. You forced your client to cross the line and oncoming large vehicle to mount the kerb. Also, you could see the van would have reversed and likely pulled out anyway. Do some studies on temporary traffic lights and how they work. You should know this anyway. If there had been a police chase with large van, I dread to think of the consequences.
My thought was that surely if the sensor was actively in use it would be picking up the van in front anyway, and thus could they have purposely switched the sensor off for the possibly short time they needed to have the van there, to avoid that problem, hence why it was not triggering. I'm also not convinced that sitting in the middle of the road potentially obstructing traffic the other way, and forcing a truck on to a pavement occupied by a pedestrian, was the right thing to do here, especially when the roadworks had workmen clearly present who could be alerted to the problem from where you were first stopped by just winding down your window and calling one over.
I remember me and my mum were sat at those sort of lights once and no one came from the opposite direction, there was no one around as it was in the country side and she ended up flashing the lights once and it changed.
@Fuckoff Google and exactly what technology do said movement detectors employ oh wise one? I should probably point out that your common burglar alarm uses passive infrared to detect movement hence why they are often referred to as a PIR. Interestingly, a halogen headlight bulb, like all incandescent light bulbs produces a continuous spectrum of light, from near ultraviolet to deep into the infrared. Of course you could employ microwave, ultrasonic, tomographic or even video...
What should you do if the signal gets stuck on red and no one around to fix it? Can you drive through after waiting so long when safe to do so? I uploaded a series of videos cycling in Birmingham where a signal like this broke 6 times. Several of those times I waited up to 5 minutes and no one else was going either.
That the problem! and also the point of the video. If you can possibly show the sensors some movement you can possibly encourage them to change. Thanks for watching, Ashley.
Cool. Thank You. It would be nice if there was a part in the Highway Code possibly where it could say "If a red light fails to change wait at least 4-5 minutes. If its still stuck on red proceed with care to the LEFT. Do not turn right unless otherwise stated". Of course I could imagine many people taking negative advantage of that rule I suppose.
Thanks for the reply. Im going to try and get my driving licence this spring. Im a little nervous because a car is a much bigger vehicle compared to a bicycle. Im pretty ok with my highway code in general. Stop for red lights, road markings, Stop/Give way signs ect.. .. . And if I make a mistake cycling I read over the highway code to double check what I did wrong as well as analysing the road.
I wouldn't risk it. You can even get punished for edging past a red light to let an emergency services vehicle through... It's pretty ridiculous, that our law pretty much says you can't mount a kerb or move past a red light to let an ambulance through without risking points and a fine. So you pretty much have to sit there and potentially let a stroke or heart attack victim not receive medical attention, otherwise you'll get a £50 fine and three points. The only exception is when a police officer explicitly requests you to, or you're escaping a threat to your safety, such as a terrorist trying to car jack or mug you.
That one clearly had a sensor on top, and stayed red for far longer than it was green (compared to how much traffic rolled through from the other side).
If Ashley knows the lights will automatically generate a detection event, change from red to green which he seems to. Why on earth did he instruct his learner to block the oncoming lane, why on earth did he not sit patiently and wait? Just as well it was not a fire engine on blues and twos that was inconvenienced coming the other way.
Try flash your lights, I think the IR sensor on top is "supposed" to pick them up. Although that said they are rubbish. The people that set them up usually don't do it properly anyway
I think by you asking your learner to pull forward and narrowing the road on the other side was a wrong move . You was at fault as the larger vehicle had to mount the pavement. The guy in the van was clearly thinking the same as you as he got out and fixed the problem. My opinion is you should have been more patient and eventually the guy in van would have got out as he was aware
Learner blocked oncoming lorry, I don't see what is excellent about that. Where did the contractors van go when it reversed, did it follow the learner? I thought it was a poor move to move forward and along side contractor knowing it wanted to reverse but then there may have been traffic behind the learner preventing them from reversing and giving space to contractor .
so that's why those temporary traffic lights i saw a few years ago didn't change.... ended up following a car that overtook me when they got fed up of waiting (yes....i know that was bad, but if i waited for it to change, the pizza i was delivering would have been stone cold)
Can you come to Canada and teach our young drivers? The kids here are learning the worst habits. (I was trained by the military, plus, before I even had a permit, I read a book called "Defensive Driving" from the 50's. Many good tips and tricks that are still valuable today. )
Traffic lights just add to the carbon footprint! I'm hgv, you may or may not be surprised how much fuel I waste sitting still and then getting back to speed! Only to stop and do it all again!
I'm not 100% certain but I think both sides default to red but are triggered by oncoming vehicles, could be wrong so don't quote me on this! 🤔 What I usually do in this situation is ignore the red light and proceed carefully with my headlights on full beam just in they come from the other direction with the same idea, that way it gives them more of a chance to see 👀 me! 🤣
I once was in a "convoy" of two cars, where I was driving the rear car (a Smart). We approached a 4way crossing with lights, the leader got through and sure as hell when I got to it, it got red. Stopped for that one, waited. And waited. And waited. Every other direction went to their green period, but mine apparently was not "automated" in the sense that it wouldn't turn green in a set period of time but only with the sensor. Now that sensor obviously didn't pick up my Smart, I went to reverse 20m and pulled back up to the light - Nothing. Two more passes with all other lights and I eventually just HAD to go through red ;) That was at like 3am by the way, no other cars at all on the road.
jodelboy we have a set of lights like that near me. At night they’re vehicle approach activated only. But the sensor is positioned wrong, so you have to be positioned over the white line hugging the right of the road for it to pick you up. It won’t change unless it detects a car, but it runs through all the other cycles. I’ve seen police sitting at it confused and many people go through it on red.
The sensors are usually fairly visible resealed cuts in the road in a rectangle similar size to a large car.... If you stop on top of the rectangle area, and then give the engine a bit of a rev (in neutral) usually they'll trigger. The spark plugs generate EMF, and the sensor is looking for s change in magnetic field. Not sure how we'll deal with it in electric cars.
Hate the temporary traffic lights! Just after passing my test and was sitting for about 3 minutes while it was red but nothing was coming the other way. Lots of cars behind me. Awkward 😂
Okay, but if he’d cloned this manoeuvre in his test he would have been failed. “nothing you can do” well actually you can reverse back and you should have reversed back.
I was once waiting in front of these at red light for a few minutes when taking my driving lessons before a van driver coming from the opposite direction stopped at our car and told us the lights were stuck on the red from our side and don't change. I did my first red lights run already in driving school.
They do this all the time - sometimes it's not the sensors, they're just stuck on red. I've had it happen loads of times but luckily it's always been really late at night (when there's no workmen around to fix them), and I can see the end of the roadworks, so it's safe to go through.
If the temporary traffic signals are set to vehicle actuation (VA) mode, approaching vehicles need to be moving at 5mph+ to ensure they are detected. In the event of no approaching traffic being detected for two-and-a-half minutes, the signal head should automatically generate a detection event.
Graham Smith Thanks Graham! Someone who knows what they are talking about! Can you clarify for everyone if possible? “Does flashing headlights cause the temporary lights to sense the approaching vehicle or is it movement within the sensor range?” Kind regards, Ashley
No, Ashley Neal, that’s an urban myth that arose out of the fact that, prior to something like 2002 when the law changed, temporary traffic signals used to be advisory, not mandatory.
If approaching a temporary traffic signal that was turning red, a courteous driver would flash their vehicle’s headlights to indicate to traffic stopped at the opposing head that it was okay for them to proceed. And that’s how the myth that flashing headlights causes temporary signals to change arose!
That's great! I know exactly how they work, but it's nice for someone with good knowledge to back me up. Do you mind me pinning your post to help educate others about this post? Ashley
Not a problem.
Graham Smith in was based on emergency service with flashing lights, or it's that for fixed lights
It really does not help when the contractors park one of their vans in front of the lights.
Mark S looks like he was trying to move it but hay who are WE to judge
@@AppleGameification What on earth are you watching? The engine isn't even on when the learner stops behind him, whilst the learner is stationary the guy turns his engine on and puts it into reverse, the lights turn green but they dont move because of the digger and the van reverses a little bit but then stops too. The light turns red again before the digger has even completely passed so neither of them can go. Ashley then states the sensor needs to be triggered before it changes and to give the Van a chance to move first, there's a 20 second gap between the digger passing and them moving forward and in that 20 seconds the Van didn't move in the slightest.
@@AppleGameification You see him walking over to the van after the digger has already cleared and there was still no effort made before they started talking but even if that's the the perspective you wanna take, lets just go with it. Who knows how long they could have been speaking for, it could last 30 seconds, a couple of minutes, maybe longer and in the meantime that sensor isn't being triggered. So everybody should just wait around for the workers to have a little chat shall they? You're a moron, jog on.
@@Kitumi578 So the digger should be fined for driving on a red light
gezzer got out and sorted it out tho didnt he ? white van man saves the day yet again
If only Ronnie Pickering had an instructor like this.
Ronnie Pickering used to bench press mobile traffic lights.
Who?.
De Factio Ronnie Pickering would of had a bare knuckle fight with that digger driver for holding him up for a few seconds.
But I’m Ronnie pickering
@@wesleyrodgers886 Ronnie fucken pickering
A driving instructer who knows his stuff. I work in the traffic management sector. Site worker should know better and wait but they never do.
I'm not sure how the guy in the "JCB" could have known the lights were changing. I'm gonna guess he needed to go that way and saw that the car was stopped, so he took that opportunity. Seems fair to me.
They're worse than the public imo 🤣
I didn't know these had sensors - I thought they were on timers. Every time one is on red forever, I assume it is broken.
It never occurred to you what the black box was on top of the temporary traffic lights?
@@gregoryashton Well no, I don't take that much of an interest in them lol. Or if I did, I'd probably assume that it was something to do with the workings of the light or something.
Alison Williams It is something to do with the workings of the lights. It’s the sensor 😂
@@gregoryashton I meant where the wires go and that!
Alison Williams I’m with you on this mate. Thought they were on a timer.
I had no idea roadworks traffic lights had proximity sensors. I always thought they were on timers. If I was in that situation, I’d have been stuck there for some time wondering why the hell the light is stuck in red!
they can be on timed if necessary. but should always be on sensor if possible
contractors work vehicle was badly parked. like you say, nothing else could be done
It should have really been in the closure. The excavator drove out of it without being road legal and therefore not insured for the road, I assume.
Construction equipment like that digger have a similar exemption that farm tractors have for use on the road so unless the young lad operating it was driving off to the shops it's perfectly legal to be used on the road to proceed and from sites where it's to be used. Now on the insurance thing I'm no expert but I'm going to assume that this vehicle would be covered by the construction/rental company's fleet insurance policy.
@@Maxsdiscos you assume wrong , there is no way a main contractor would let a vehicle move on a road without being road legal . health and safety and liability being the reason
Most bizarre temporary traffic light experience? Once, travelling back to Dorset from Wales, I was stuck behind a contractors van towing a trailer full of temporary traffic light units (presumably taking them back to the depot). The bizarre thing was, the ones right at the back (facing me) were still working and going through the timed sequence. Every time they changed to red, I thought should I technically be stopping now? 😂
Nope….as long as they stayed ahead of you 😜
I had something like this on my test. Temp lights just would not change. There were people just going through them. I obviously waited as I was on a test. Then the examiner told me to go. I just did a MSM and checked my blind spot and went.
John Worsfold did you pass that test?
@@AgentHo.PH3 no, major fail for running a red light 😁
@Ashley Neal Any thoughts on that situation? Would that still be a fail if following the examiners instructions? (IT would be a bit unreasonable if it were the case I would think)
@@AgentHo.PH3 I passed
@@tiberiancostal1358 I am pretty certain that in a situation like this, if an examiner issues an instruction that would be in breach of the rules it would basically be considered pausing the test which is something that sometimes happens if a situation occurs that can't be accounted for.
Where I did my motorcycle test, the test centre road exited straight onto a very busy street ... normally if you were turning right you would force your way out, but you can't do that on test so regularly examiners would suspend the test, force it alongside you, and then resume the rest.
Presuming no one was behind. The correct thing to do would be to reverse a few metres. Moving forward blocked the middle of the road with 0 effect on the lights. If you obstructed the road and made a lorry drive up on the pavement like that during your test it would not be good
Well, the lorry shouldn't be mounting a pavement, either. That's an automatic fail, touching a kerb, crossing a line isn't.
@@AndrooUK Do you expect the truck to just sit there until the leaner (who was blocking both lanes) moved? If there was no one behind the learner should have reversed and stayed within the left hand lane. Crap parking on behalf of the white van and the digger should not have gone when it did.
The lorry could have stopped at the other side of the lights if he were on a test. It's clearly visible from there that the road is blocked ahead. That tipper was empty but I would have been hesitating pulling a fully loaded 44t lorry up the kerb on that grass verge.
All they had to do was reverse a little (if clear behind...obvs), let the idiot van driver rejoin the road which presumably would have triggered the sensor on the traffic lights. You're welcome!! 😆
@1986tredie idiot van driver because look where he parked....
I absolutely hate temporary traffic lights with a passion😂
mattyyeddy❤™ // RTM-Matty I did motorcycle basic training day and we came up to 3 sets of temporary traffic lights and all 3 failed to detect the bikes. I now have a passion of hating them and a love for my instructor that blasted through them.
When I’m on my motorbike I normally give it a good look and if it’s clear I go through them because of that exact problem but when I’m in my car I tend to just wait😂
@@mattyyeddy I do the same on my bicycle. If there's then oncoming I tend to be able to dive between the cones and let it past!
I FAIL TO COMPLY WITH THEM AND GO THROUGH ON RED
They had nothing but nice things to say about you? Lol
Great patience! If everyone acted like that, the roads would safe and enjoyable to drive on.
1:09 they see me Rollin they hatin
ttyna catch me riding dirty
I'm swangin'
Patrolling u trynnz catch me riding enn
Worst I ever had was temporary lights on the A82 at Glencoe - 2AM, queue of about 30 cars... Eventually we all conga-lined it through... Nobody coming in the opposite direction...
No way! I was part of that line of cars - I remember it....small world indeed...
Glencoe is horrible at the best of times.
Those lights are a pain in the ass, a lot of people slow down to much when approaching the lights and the sensor won't register you're there, flashing lights at them does nothing as they pick up movement, thankfully the guy working there had some sense n helps you out 😁
They use a doppler microwave so looking for the freq. change on reflection.
Same used at pedestrian crossings for traffic and people crossing.
In this case i think it was confused by the stationary van.
If the sensor isn't triggered treat it like a broken traffic light.... otherwise you'll be sat there for a very long time.
Worst advice on the internet goes to...
@@nathan9048 To be fair (s)he goes into no details about what treating it 'like a broken traffic light' actually entails, and said details, if provided, might potentially change your opinion of them.
the driver of that digger is breaking the law..they are not allowed on public highways without and escort or on a loader of some sort. lights are required aswell as registration numbers etc....certainly not allowed to break the cordon of a traffic light..just truly pathetic idiots working where they shouldnt be.that white van should not have been parked where it was...this should have been reported to the highways agency...
it dont really matter if its breaking the law if nothings being done about it
Regarding the sensor: the usual here in the Netherlands is that a fixed interval is set instead of having a sensor detect motion. It never fails, it doesn't require stopped traffic to move and the interval can be adjusted to the length of the blocked lane.
The lights can also be set to "stay on red" hence why the worker had to go behind the light to change it. Therr are 3 settings. 1 is vehicle activation, 2 is stay on red and 3 is a timer. So no matter how fast and how much the car would move the lights wouldnt have changed
I feel thankful for your videos, despite driving a few years now, I wouldn’t have known that.
In the U.S. we still use flagmen on each side of the open lane. Old school yet more reliable.
Flagmen dont work around a corner
@@blanco7726theres these things called radios
Zuuzaa there is indeed lol. Just never seen flagmen on longer sites haha so didnt even consider it
I have seen them jumping in ditches to avoid car chases. Not sure it would catch on in the UK, some of our workmen are quite lardy.
Sometimes we even have cones marking off a short section of road say about 20m long with nothing there except the cones and then install 3 way traffic lights with work finishing on a Thursday, then leave the lights and cones in place all weekend doing nothing but pissing people off all weekend while waiting for someone to remove them on a Monday because that's the days the job sheet says it will finish. Gotta love programmed works.
I would of waited where it says to wait, next to the red sign right away.. That's why its there.. The twat who parked the van and your positioning have caused the lorry to mount the kerb just to get passed you.. That can be seen as a poor lack of judgement and an instant fail when I passed test 1985.... The van is the cause of it all not you..
That’s exactly what the lorry driver shouted out the window.
As a great man once said - “Its vision is based on movement, cant see us if we don’t move”
U talking about Jurassic park :)
I actually had something similar to this on a lesson I had, but it was actually a side road light on a junction that just did not wanna know, so we had to practically crawl over the white line to trigger the sensors
I was once at the front of a queue at some permanent traffic lights that were not picking me up and just stayed red. I tried getting out and pressing the pedestrian button to see if it would reset the sequence and let me out but nothing ever happened. I eventually had to edge out slowly on the red and presumably they started working again after that.
Legends say that stop light is still Red 😂
But u literally saw it go green
I had four way temporary traffic lights set up near mine for weeks and the sensors were swivelled round and pointing into a field. It drove me crazy especially at night when I was pretty sure there was no other traffic. My son got stuck at some roadworks and the lights never changed, he was on a motorcycle, so he eventually went through using caution and PC Plod was parked out of sight. He managed to talk his way out of a ticket probably because it would have been hard to prove his guilt but he was late for the job interview that he was heading to. Now I know that you have to move at 5 mph I will pass it on.
It can sometimes help to flash headlamps to trigger the sensor (probably won't work with LED lamps though, they need to see Infra Red, ie. heat).
Hahaha should’ve went for the magic flash of the headlights, seem to work every time ;)
I had a situation where I was stuck at these kind of lights for over 10 minutes before. It was 2 in the morning and I caught up to a car that was waiting at a red light like this. We sat for about 8-10 minutes engines off waiting for them to change. Then I got bored and put my hazards on and just went through, as I pulled out in front of the other vehicle they changed.
My first thought and thought up until watching this was that someone had broken them- for the 3 nights prior to that someone had pulled the construction lights over (probably kids) and I'd had to go and pick them up because no one else would have done it. So my first thought was the one on the other end had been taken down, but on a 60 road I wasn't willing to just drive through at first in case a truck was coming the other way.
Lights like that have (or had, a few years ago) only 8 hour batteries. At one point on my dads commute to work there was a 1 mile stretch of road put down to single lane by roadworks. There was multiple corners so you couldn't see the road ahead. Workers would clock off at 6pm and turn off the generators and the lights would run until 2am at which point they all defaulted to red. He would pull up to the lights at 6am and usually wait an hour or so before police officers showed up to control traffic from 7am to 8/9am when the workers showed up and turned the generators back on.
Had something similar to this as a learner once, temp lights were green but halfway through the contraflow a bunch of workers came out of the construction area and blocked me for a minute or two. By the time I got going cars had come the other way, so I had to reverse back through the contraflow with more cars waiting behind me.
I feel the workers are often quite inconsiderate at these setups
Yeah. Some construction workers aren't the brightest.
In Australia, if they need to move anything in/out of the work zone via the controlled road, they'll switch the lights all red manually or turn them off and use manual stop/slow signs until the move is done.
That happened to me once when I was on the way home from work. The temporary traffic lights were red for over 5 mins and there was no incoming vehicles but a long queue behind me. Some drivers gave up. They just drove past the red lights and I followed them
Why am I so so obsessed with watching these videos, I don’t understand. I used to spend all my time watching makeup tutorials and now this 😂
Ditto... and I don't drive!
So Phelan from Coronation Street is really a driving instructor, not a builder!
lol
Instructor should of made the learner stay behind the van where he was to start with instead of encroaching on the line blocking the lorry and other oncoming cars.
Correct star girl
I agree, gob smacked a learner was taught to block oncoming traffic and then does not reverse to give way to lorry.
@@TinedCleric oh dear. the traffic light senses movement. if you stop way back there behind the van, the light would never go green. it seems even the contractor didnt consider this when he parked in front of it.
The sensor on the lights cuts the timer short, but the timer will still fire... if you wait the lights will always turn around in the end.
You say ‘make sense’ a lot after you’ve explained something to your student which is exactly what my motorcycle instructor used to do. Is it part of instructor training. Just made me chuckle that’s all.
I was expecting this to be a long stretch with time based lights set up wrong...
When the highway near where I live was being rebuilt a few years back, they never bothered adjusting the timing on the lights as they moved along. So sometimes you'd have red for 5 minutes after the traffic all cleared... And sometimes if people did the posted 40km/h limit, you'd get about 1/3 of the way along and find more cars coming head on.
Most regular users of the road learned quickly to ignore the 40 signs and do 60 instead.
Kph? You don’t seem foreign? Are you from Australia
Another problem, loops in the road. Some folks hold back at junctions and don't sit over the loop.
Then they find the lights cycle without giving them a green.
Nice one… love your calm instruction and positive reinforcement
You can also flash your lights at the traffic light to cause it to change if there is no one at the other end
As someone skilled to set up temp lights….not that we do it much as we get a contractor usually…..I was told….14 years ago that you need about 5mph to activate the sensor.
You can also jump out if it’s safe and move ur hand fast up close to the sensor…..then quickly get back to ur car and they will change. How long depends on the total red time which is based on the length of the works.
If its not on va veichle approach sensors dnt work three settings on these va fixed time or manually ask any traffic managment operative but should be on va and it would of picked you uo from behind white van should of stayed behind the white van in my eyes persnally
I hate these situations, especially when you can’t see the cars coming the other direction. Why don’t the lights have a maximum time they stay on red to catch these edge cases? If it’s been on red for a minute, 2 mins, switch to green just in case there’s a sensor fault.
I had a situation at around 1 in the morning once, no workers around, not even any other cars around, got to the red temporary traffic light and waited about 10 minutes for it to change, it just never did. I could see the other traffic light in front of me the whole time which was also red (I could see what colour the other traffic light was showing through a reflection).
Ended up just going through it, when I checked my rear view mirror the one I waited at finally changed to green as I was went past it. (Could see the ground was lit up green)
Absolutely bizarre.
Would flashing your headlights make the sensors work?
No, they use radars to detect objects, not photocells
3 times in a year we had to go through temporary traffic lights on red, as they were broken and just stayed permanently red for everyone.
Once was particularly awkward, as it was 3 way lights, and one couldn't see what was coming from the left. We were waiting behind a car for about 3 minutes, with cars visible, waiting straight ahead. Eventually, a car came from the left and stopped next to the car in front of us and explained the situation.
Another time, as crossroads with permanent lights, a police car was waiting at the head of the queue for a very long time. Someone partially pulled out of a dead end side road into the one way road where we were waiting, got out, had a word with the police and then returned to their vehicle.
Rather than drive through, stop, and attempt to direct traffic through the malfunctioning lights, they just drove off.
Very awkward indeed 😂
This is even more awkward than the night when I got out of bed to go for a pee, went through the wrong door and found myself locked out of my hotel room, naked and dying for a pee. Saw a plant at the end of the corridor and relieved myself there, looked over to my right and realised that I was in full view of a wedding party and everyone was staring at me.
Would have me guessing. Not sure the lights were going to change even having moved road position/
I found you can just flash your lights at the sensor
Wrong..... Radar/doppler as nothing to do with light.
Has nothing to do with movement then either. Not like a PIR sensor on a security light. Just by being there it should see you. No?
It scans for objects repeatedly at a set interval (most likely somewhere between 100ms and 1s) and identifies whether there is movement within range, if nothing has moved it assumes nothing is there. The method is different, but the result very much like PIR except it works with all objects not just heat/animals/humans.
It doesn't know what it's surroundings are, walls, houses, tree's, parked vehicles, road cones, etc, it pings out, takes a snap shot of the returning "image" and then does the same again and compares the two returning "images", if something has changed within a set tolerance then it assumes movement.
I actually have an omni-directional microwave doppler radar sensor inside my car, when the ignition is off, it's dark enough and an object moves in range (currently 5 meters), it turns on my LED corner lights to make the car visible and hopefully stop blind idiots hitting it at night or in poorly lit carparks...... But only movement actually triggers it.
Strider9655 Thanks for your knowledgeable input. Much appreciated, Ashley
You're a clever guy obviously. But you can't fix stupid people!
Um I've often had the thoughts grow to worry a bit of going how long do I sit here before I go, not knowing if the lights are stuck or not
I once had a really awkward one where they backed on to a roundabout. Our side got a few seconds of green - and the oncoming traffic was backed up from the roundabout. Then over a minute of us sat at a red light until the next wave. After about 1/2 hour of making no progress, we just had to jump the light (liberal use of the horn was applied)
I've seen people flash their headlights at these to get detected, does that actually do anything?
Probably not but you look cool when you do it and they change 😂
S Miller
I'd prefer to do a Jedi hand wave and have them change. Only really works when you have passengers
Kudos for the worker to realise the issue and help to resolve it.
I thought you were wrong for making your pupil pull up to the light and cross the dividing line, the lorry had to mount kerb, temporary traffic lights will change automatically as they are connected
Do I have to stop at temp lights, or can I blast through a red if I can see the exit is clear?
It’s a traffic signal, same rules apply regardless of it’s a permanent or temporary installation. And that’s also the case with stop/go signs
Doesn’t matter if your exit is clear, if it’s red you stop. You might not know if it’s 2-way, 3-way, 4-way etc controlled.
If you look at the little black sensor box on the top of the lights there is a red LED that comes on when it senses a vehicle. You know it's seen you then.
I remember being held up for 15 mins at s set of lights:- EVERY time traffic the other was stopped the workmen ran dumper trucks through so we couldn’t go.
Out of interest Ashley, how would you deal with a case of completely failed traffic lights (as in no lights at all), where you cannot easily see traffic on the other side? What's the law in that case?
If a standard traffic light is broken you give way just as you would on a roundabout always give way to the right (in the uk)
If you mean a temporary light though i have no idea
@@mrrandomgames95 The Highway Code disagrees with you:
"...If the traffic lights are not working, treat the situation as you would an unmarked junction and proceed with great care."
"At an unmarked crossroads no one has priority. If there are no road signs or markings do not assume that you have priority. Remember that other drivers may assume they have the right to go. No type of vehicle has priority but it’s courteous to give way to large vehicles. Also look out in particular for cyclists and motorcyclists."
The magnetic strips in the road ones are the best! If you have an issue going first time through, (like this video) you have to drive off them, then back on. In traffic, some times it's very hard to do.
Usually you if you watch the sensor a red led will light if it's picked you up
This happened to me on holiday once in wales when i was out cycling. the temp lights my side were red and after waiting for a few minutes i cautiously passed the red. turns out the lights at other end of the section were not even turned on! so the red my side was never going to change anyway!
Ashley, I'm a novice driver, who has been driving for just over a year now and this morning coming home from work, I went past a road where there are cars parked on the road on the left hand lane, wherein I'd have to pull out to the oncoming lane to proceed.
With there being a few gaps and not wanting to impede oncoming traffic, I saw someone coming round the corner heading in my direction.
Given the speed I was travelling at and the distance between the gap I had currently to pull in and the next available gap before I could let them pass, I did and emergency stop of sorts and pulled in.
I'm aware that if a car was behind me, this could have been a silly decision.
Was I wrong in doing so?
Thank you in advance.
Marakim63 sounds good to me. Just try and plan these situations a little earlier so you lessen the chance of sharp braking with a car being close behind. Hope this makes sense? Thanks, Ashley.
An update to traffic light technology could greatly improve flow, reduce pollution and increase safety. Modern technology and image processing can easily recognise vehicles pedestrians cyclists etc. This could sit on top of the existing fail safe system avoiding unnecessary stops at average /low traffic levels. It could also for example add extra margin for safety when it detects a cyclist or pedestrian and just stick to normal timing when there aren't any cyclists / peds
I never heard of such lights having sensors. I thought they were all just timer-based. Can't say I have ever seen one opportunistically go green as I approached. Maybe they use dumber mechanisms where I live.
The truck at 2.50 had to go on to the pavement because the car had gone over the centre line. Would the learner not fail for that if he did that on a test?
Happened to me yesterday CAR was in front of me and the temp traffic lights were stuck on red due to a skip lorry backing out of a drive way
The car in front wasn’t moving at all
Must of been 5 mins of traffic coming the other way with gaps of 20 seconds every so often
I judged it was safe and over took and went through
So did the rest of the traffic behind me which I guess triggered the sensor
They should have a default mode after so long being on red
Why aren't they all on a timer if this sort of polava can defeat the sensor?
Encountered a situation recently when traffic lights failed and became stuck in a default mode - red all ways. Drivers had to use a combination of courtesy and common sense to proceed! Luckily everyone was extremely cautious.
Red all ways seems like a very silly method.
I think a new system should be introduced, like a constant flashing red. Which would indicate a fault and act as a stop sign. Stop and proceed with caution. Yield right of way to others already on junction.
Temporary traffic lights will change after the default timeout of 2.5 mins per side so potentially a 5 minute wait at best. Nothing to do with light. Movement only a small part. Once detection zones setup, it will detect whether moving or not. You forced your client to cross the line and oncoming large vehicle to mount the kerb. Also, you could see the van would have reversed and likely pulled out anyway. Do some studies on temporary traffic lights and how they work. You should know this anyway. If there had been a police chase with large van, I dread to think of the consequences.
This instructor sucks, put your vehicle in the incoming lane causing the truck to mount kirb, you would have failed the test
My thought was that surely if the sensor was actively in use it would be picking up the van in front anyway, and thus could they have purposely switched the sensor off for the possibly short time they needed to have the van there, to avoid that problem, hence why it was not triggering. I'm also not convinced that sitting in the middle of the road potentially obstructing traffic the other way, and forcing a truck on to a pavement occupied by a pedestrian, was the right thing to do here, especially when the roadworks had workmen clearly present who could be alerted to the problem from where you were first stopped by just winding down your window and calling one over.
I remember me and my mum were sat at those sort of lights once and no one came from the opposite direction, there was no one around as it was in the country side and she ended up flashing the lights once and it changed.
3:23 So theres a button, (without a locked cover?)
,,,, anyone got a pic\instructíns ??
Just flash your lights for the sensor, no need to block oncoming lane
Are you dumb?😂😂
@Fuckoff Google and exactly what technology do said movement detectors employ oh wise one? I should probably point out that your common burglar alarm uses passive infrared to detect movement hence why they are often referred to as a PIR. Interestingly, a halogen headlight bulb, like all incandescent light bulbs produces a continuous spectrum of light, from near ultraviolet to deep into the infrared.
Of course you could employ microwave, ultrasonic, tomographic or even video...
@@brynmcdougald2418 are you dumb? How about being more respectful towards people?
What should you do if the signal gets stuck on red and no one around to fix it? Can you drive through after waiting so long when safe to do so?
I uploaded a series of videos cycling in Birmingham where a signal like this broke 6 times. Several of those times I waited up to 5 minutes and no one else was going either.
That the problem! and also the point of the video. If you can possibly show the sensors some movement you can possibly encourage them to change. Thanks for watching, Ashley.
Cool. Thank You. It would be nice if there was a part in the Highway Code possibly where it could say "If a red light fails to change wait at least 4-5 minutes. If its still stuck on red proceed with care to the LEFT. Do not turn right unless otherwise stated". Of course I could imagine many people taking negative advantage of that rule I suppose.
Thanks for the reply. Im going to try and get my driving licence this spring. Im a little nervous because a car is a much bigger vehicle compared to a bicycle. Im pretty ok with my highway code in general. Stop for red lights, road markings, Stop/Give way signs ect.. .. . And if I make a mistake cycling I read over the highway code to double check what I did wrong as well as analysing the road.
I wouldn't risk it. You can even get punished for edging past a red light to let an emergency services vehicle through...
It's pretty ridiculous, that our law pretty much says you can't mount a kerb or move past a red light to let an ambulance through without risking points and a fine.
So you pretty much have to sit there and potentially let a stroke or heart attack victim not receive medical attention, otherwise you'll get a £50 fine and three points.
The only exception is when a police officer explicitly requests you to, or you're escaping a threat to your safety, such as a terrorist trying to car jack or mug you.
Do those sensors not react to a flash of your headlights?
Just read the pinned comment thread and had my question answered! :)
Thanks Ashley! That's something else I've learned today..
Ashley just a quick question .
Are you allowed to stop on a double red line route to allow an emergency vehicle to pass ?
alan scott an emergency vehicle diplaying blue flashing lights and two tone sirens CAN NOT force you to commit a moving traffic offence.
alot of these temp lights dont have sensors and simply work on a long phase.
That one clearly had a sensor on top, and stayed red for far longer than it was green (compared to how much traffic rolled through from the other side).
If Ashley knows the lights will automatically generate a detection event, change from red to green which he seems to. Why on earth did he instruct his learner to block the oncoming lane, why on earth did he not sit patiently and wait? Just as well it was not a fire engine on blues and twos that was inconvenienced coming the other way.
Lots of encouragement and explaining how things work , good teaching style
1:02 and also stating the painfully obvious xD
He's awful
@@therealyoda6172 in what way
@@mad7206 hahahahahaahahhaha.
@@mad7206 just watch the video. If you think that's an acceptable way to treat someone especially your own student then there's no hope for you.
Waiting for these lights is just as pointless as standing in an empty line
Try flash your lights, I think the IR sensor on top is "supposed" to pick them up. Although that said they are rubbish. The people that set them up usually don't do it properly anyway
I think by you asking your learner to pull forward and narrowing the road on the other side was a wrong move .
You was at fault as the larger vehicle had to mount the pavement.
The guy in the van was clearly thinking the same as you as he got out and fixed the problem.
My opinion is you should have been more patient and eventually the guy in van would have got out as he was aware
Learner blocked oncoming lorry, I don't see what is excellent about that. Where did the contractors van go when it reversed, did it follow the learner? I thought it was a poor move to move forward and along side contractor knowing it wanted to reverse but then there may have been traffic behind the learner preventing them from reversing and giving space to contractor .
so that's why those temporary traffic lights i saw a few years ago didn't change....
ended up following a car that overtook me when they got fed up of waiting (yes....i know that was bad, but if i waited for it to change, the pizza i was delivering would have been stone cold)
Can you come to Canada and teach our young drivers? The kids here are learning the worst habits. (I was trained by the military, plus, before I even had a permit, I read a book called "Defensive Driving" from the 50's. Many good tips and tricks that are still valuable today. )
Drive late at night on a motorbike and traffic lights are a real pain, unless you stop midway on the ground sensor things.
Traffic lights just add to the carbon footprint! I'm hgv, you may or may not be surprised how much fuel I waste sitting still and then getting back to speed! Only to stop and do it all again!
I'm not 100% certain but I think both sides default to red but are triggered by oncoming vehicles, could be wrong so don't quote me on this! 🤔 What I usually do in this situation is ignore the red light and proceed carefully with my headlights on full beam just in they come from the other direction with the same idea, that way it gives them more of a chance to see 👀 me! 🤣
I once was in a "convoy" of two cars, where I was driving the rear car (a Smart). We approached a 4way crossing with lights, the leader got through and sure as hell when I got to it, it got red.
Stopped for that one, waited. And waited. And waited. Every other direction went to their green period, but mine apparently was not "automated" in the sense that it wouldn't turn green in a set period of time but only with the sensor.
Now that sensor obviously didn't pick up my Smart, I went to reverse 20m and pulled back up to the light - Nothing. Two more passes with all other lights and I eventually just HAD to go through red ;) That was at like 3am by the way, no other cars at all on the road.
jodelboy we have a set of lights like that near me. At night they’re vehicle approach activated only. But the sensor is positioned wrong, so you have to be positioned over the white line hugging the right of the road for it to pick you up. It won’t change unless it detects a car, but it runs through all the other cycles. I’ve seen police sitting at it confused and many people go through it on red.
The sensors are usually fairly visible resealed cuts in the road in a rectangle similar size to a large car.... If you stop on top of the rectangle area, and then give the engine a bit of a rev (in neutral) usually they'll trigger. The spark plugs generate EMF, and the sensor is looking for s change in magnetic field.
Not sure how we'll deal with it in electric cars.
Smart filter?
Hate the temporary traffic lights! Just after passing my test and was sitting for about 3 minutes while it was red but nothing was coming the other way. Lots of cars behind me. Awkward 😂
De Factio I meant in that the cars behind were clearly frustrated which made it seem awkward
Been driving for a few months, didn't know this. Thanks
Okay, but if he’d cloned this manoeuvre in his test he would have been failed. “nothing you can do” well actually you can reverse back and you should have reversed back.
I always assumed you had to wait where is said, "Wait Here" for he detector to pick you up. Not really possible in this scenario.
You need to be doing a minimum of 10mph for the sensors to detect your vehcle
Well that's no good if the light turns red, once you stop that's it
I would sit there waiting on the lights to change - im very patient
Trying to get those lights to work on a bicycle can be a right pain when it's quiet
I was once waiting in front of these at red light for a few minutes when taking my driving lessons before a van driver coming from the opposite direction stopped at our car and told us the lights were stuck on the red from our side and don't change. I did my first red lights run already in driving school.
They do this all the time - sometimes it's not the sensors, they're just stuck on red. I've had it happen loads of times but luckily it's always been really late at night (when there's no workmen around to fix them), and I can see the end of the roadworks, so it's safe to go through.