Thank you for this informative video! I've been a Logic Pro user for decades. Years ago I started buying 3rd party emulations to improve my mixes and have stuck with them. You have showed me that Logic Pro has updated their plugins more than I realized and I need to revisit them.
Your videos are incredible dude. So well presented and articulated. I didn’t even know you could sidechain a HPF in a compressor! That’s genius! Keep up the wonderful work!
Great video Chris. I'm a big fan of getting as much out of stock emulations as possible, and this video is a great resource. I look forward to the rest of the series! Thanks for the hard work in making this.
Great overview! I’ve been in recording since the early 70’s but never really understood what made the different compressors unique. I learned a lot from this video. I haven’t seen any other discussion of vintage compressors that really got under the hood like you did. Thank you!
Thanks for this video. Just now dipping my toe in the digital DAW world. Seeing the vintage box these copy sure helps me know which one to reach for in the DAW.
This was a very useful episode. I tried these compressors on my mixes starting with your settings with surprising results. Thanks for making the content. Appreciated!
OO very nice. Just discovered this channel, nice to find a fellow Logic user too. Subscribed. I appreciate you explaining what you’re doing and not just saying ‘click on this or that’ as I’m visually impaired, so this helps make it very clear. Seems to me you’re the Dan Worrall for Logic users.
@@sangstersounds I also do Logic tutorials but from a visually impaired perspective. I’d be curious to know whether you, as someone who can see, would find my content useful. I’m not about to send a link here as I don’t want it to seem like I’m advertising, but if you’ve a mind, please feel free to come on over and take a look for yourself. Thanks.
This is an amazing idea for a series. Hopefully it picks up some viewers, because this is a great resource. Edit: just wanted to add a vote towards another comment I saw below; can we get Logic’s EQ emulators next or soon?
Thank you for this! Can you please took a look at Logic's Alchemy as well? The filter types and VA waveforms have all sorts of abbreviations that hint at what they're emulating, but they're difficult to figure out. For example- Mg (probably Moog Minimoog), JP4 (probably Jupiter 4), CS (probably CS80), ARP (2600? Odyssey? Solina Strings?), but the ones that evade me are DC, BL, Eml, sq16...And what are Vintage 1/2 based on? There are even more in the filters that seem to suggest origins, rather than just BP/LP/HP which is self-explanatory. This would be a great addition to the series, because I think these are still largely a mystery! I know Alchemy was created by Camel Audio, and according to an old SOS article from 2009, Camel licensed their waveforms from a company called Galbanum. Perhaps there are some clues there
I've got the Waves, Softube, Bx_Consoles and UAD versions of these. I've got some listening to do. Fascinating. Your information is well organised. Well done!
DUDE. What a helpful video! Im so excited for more of these. I think that stock Logic Pro may have almost anything one would need for great production and this is helpful on the ins and outs of what is there and capable. Looking forward to more like this!!!
Super good video. This is the best one I've seen for the Logic Compressor. Now if Apple would put the input and out meters on the same side it would be perfect.
Thanks so much! I am glad you enjoyed it! Episode 2 of this series is up now all about the Vintage EQ Collection. I hope you will check it out as well.
You are welcome! I would say for the Logic compressor gain staging is not as important as for hardware compressors. As long as you are at a reasonable level somewhere between -18 and -6 and definitely not clipping you will get a good result.
Nice vid! One thing though I've never really see the 'Opto' as an LA2A emulation. Reason being that it still lets you choose the attack, release, and threshold values. Also its doesn't do the two stage release thing (50% of the GR releases quickly release followed by a slower release) the LA2A does. Lastly the detecter circuit has an eq (although on the unit it is adjustable) where it boost the high end, you can also do this in the plug side chain but its not 'baked in'. So if its an 'opto compressor with valve makeup gain, and full set of controls', I'd say its closer to a Tube Tech CL-1B But hey thats just me being picky lol, if it sounds good, it is good! Again, nice video!
Thank you so much for this perspective! I never considered that it might be a CL-1B and not an LA2A but it makes so much sense. Everyone online says it is LA2A just with different controls, but you may have changed my mind! I think because the GUI is white I just immediately agreed that its LA2A just with different controls haha. I am also not nearly as familiar with CL-1Bs as I am with LA2As but your points are so valid!
Cool video, I think it would be useful to compare these models to other popular emulations (Waves, UAD etc) or even hardware in therms of how close they are and what sets them apart sonically
ah nice! great historic deets and music samples. i been using those them stock plug ins for a couple yrs now; they are mostly fine or really i think plenty enough usually. only thing missed was hearing one at 50 ish percent / parallel. maybe one on the stock reverbs would be cool... to compare too w other fancy ones.
That was great! I also have a few RRS compressors. There is one called the CL1 that is called a Russian compressor. It sounds great, but I have no idea what it is modeled after.
As I understand it, the distortion settings only work as you approach the specified output setting (0dbfs as default). Does this setting also apply to any signal that is being manipulated by the compressor? Thank you for your explanation and sharing some audio history with us as well!
If you turn the compressor plugin on, the signal is processed, manipulated by the the plugin. Even if the compression settings are ‚off’. This goes also for the distortion setting which gets more audible the more compression is applied.
From my testing the soft and hard distortion settings apply saturation to any signal coming through the plugin (even with no compression happening). The clip setting needs to some type of gain boost either input gain or makeup gain to effect the signal. All three apply more of their effect as the gain is raised. Hope that helps!
Thanks again Chris! If I knew I already had an 1176 and LA2A in Logic I wouldn’t have bought them through third parties! 😂 Any other emulations we should be aware of? Strong 💪 beard by the way!
iirc Platinum Digital goes back to the Compressor that was a premium feature in eMagic's Logic Audio Gold and Platinum product tiers. I have no idea if the algorithm is the same or similar.
Well, to find out, while on the UAD beta team, I build the hardware. That's how ya know, but I will say, I've spent countless months comparing them and turn of the century, basically none of algorithms sound anything like today. Today, you can actually hear it compress, two decades ago, not really.
The kush audio video "how to hear compression" is the best out there imo. It's about ear training. I can hear this compression on my phone at low level.
No insult intended. However, you should use a real drummer on a drum track. That electronic drum beat. You play is totally annoying. But, I think you’re going in the right direction here. Keep it up and find a real drummer for your drum tracks.✌️❤
I’m truly sorry I did not mean to insult you. I too am a musician and in recording. I did find your presentation on compression very interesting and insightful. I’m aware you use an electronic drum track for your demonstration, however a real drum track especially the kick drum would have been much more effective. That’s all and again I apologize. After all, I think your new channel is going in the right direction and that is why I subscribe to your channel. I will refrain from making any more comments in the future. Good luck with your channel and I will watch for your next video because you do have some interesting points that interest me. then again, if you wish to block me, I would understand. Again, wish you well with your new channel. Your video and editing work was outstanding. Have a happy new year and peace and love.✌️❤️
Good video, thank you! Next the "vintage EQs"?
Thanks! This seems to be a popular idea! I think they will be up next!
Thank you for this informative video! I've been a Logic Pro user for decades. Years ago I started buying 3rd party emulations to improve my mixes and have stuck with them. You have showed me that Logic Pro has updated their plugins more than I realized and I need to revisit them.
Awesome! Glad to help!
Your videos are incredible dude. So well presented and articulated. I didn’t even know you could sidechain a HPF in a compressor! That’s genius! Keep up the wonderful work!
Thanks so much!! Glad you found the video helpful!
Great video Chris. I'm a big fan of getting as much out of stock emulations as possible, and this video is a great resource. I look forward to the rest of the series! Thanks for the hard work in making this.
Thanks so much!
Great overview! I’ve been in recording since the early 70’s but never really understood what made the different compressors unique. I learned a lot from this video. I haven’t seen any other discussion of vintage compressors that really got under the hood like you did. Thank you!
Thanks so much! I am glad you enjoyed the video!
very well explained and super helpful! thank you
Holy! You’re so helpful your channel deserves more subscribers
Thanks so much! Glad to help!
This is awesome. Just began my Logic journey a few months ago as I began mixing my band's gigs and practices. This was very helpful!
Thanks! Best of luck on your Logic journey and let me know if I can help you out in any way!
Excellent video. I have always heard the blue stripe as "brighter" and a little less bottom. defiitely different than the black.
Thanks! I would agree with that as well!
Thanks for this video. Just now dipping my toe in the digital DAW world. Seeing the vintage box these copy sure helps me know which one to reach for in the DAW.
Awesome! Glad I could help!
Awesome content! 👍
Thanks so much!!
Appreciate you going back and being thorough with the distortion dial detail. Subscribed ✨
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the video!
This was a very useful episode. I tried these compressors on my mixes starting with your settings with surprising results. Thanks for making the content. Appreciated!
Thanks so much! Glad you found the video helpful!
Thanks, Chris. Very interesting.
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching
Brilliant video 👍 Agree with comments, that vintage EQ would like to see the next
Awesome! Thanks for the suggestion
Absolutely fantastic stuff, would love to see more videos in this series
Thanks so much! There is one other episode out and there are more to come!
Good job managing gain, gotta eliminate our bias toward the louder signal. Thanks.
Thanks for noticing!!
OO very nice. Just discovered this channel, nice to find a fellow Logic user too.
Subscribed.
I appreciate you explaining what you’re doing and not just saying ‘click on this or that’ as I’m visually impaired, so this helps make it very clear.
Seems to me you’re the Dan Worrall for Logic users.
Thanks so much! Great to hear that feedback, much appreciated!
@@sangstersounds I also do Logic tutorials but from a visually impaired perspective. I’d be curious to know whether you, as someone who can see, would find my content useful. I’m not about to send a link here as I don’t want it to seem like I’m advertising, but if you’ve a mind, please feel free to come on over and take a look for yourself.
Thanks.
Thank you! Thank you!! Thank you!!!
Extremely useful, valuable and educational. 👌
You are welcome! Glad to help!
Thanks for this video!! Good work 🫡
Thanks so much!
Excellent information! I needed this.
Thanks so much! Glad to help!
This is an amazing idea for a series. Hopefully it picks up some viewers, because this is a great resource.
Edit: just wanted to add a vote towards another comment I saw below; can we get Logic’s EQ emulators next or soon?
Thanks so much!!
Thank you for this! Can you please took a look at Logic's Alchemy as well? The filter types and VA waveforms have all sorts of abbreviations that hint at what they're emulating, but they're difficult to figure out.
For example- Mg (probably Moog Minimoog), JP4 (probably Jupiter 4), CS (probably CS80), ARP (2600? Odyssey? Solina Strings?), but the ones that evade me are DC, BL, Eml, sq16...And what are Vintage 1/2 based on? There are even more in the filters that seem to suggest origins, rather than just BP/LP/HP which is self-explanatory.
This would be a great addition to the series, because I think these are still largely a mystery! I know Alchemy was created by Camel Audio, and according to an old SOS article from 2009, Camel licensed their waveforms from a company called Galbanum. Perhaps there are some clues there
Excellent idea!! I will definitely start investigating this!
Great information!
Unfortunately I was distracted with the Wizard Of Oz Lion costume. 😮
Hahaha! Thanks!
Great video! Can't wait for the next. Thanks so much.
Cheers! Thanks for the support!
I've got the Waves, Softube, Bx_Consoles and UAD versions of these. I've got some listening to do. Fascinating. Your information is well organised. Well done!
Thanks so much! All great options you have there. In addition to the Logic ones I am a big fan of the UAD stuff
DUDE. What a helpful video! Im so excited for more of these. I think that stock Logic Pro may have almost anything one would need for great production and this is helpful on the ins and outs of what is there and capable.
Looking forward to more like this!!!
Awesome! Glad you found the video helpful!
Super good video. This is the best one I've seen for the Logic Compressor. Now if Apple would put the input and out meters on the same side it would be perfect.
Thanks so much! Ans thats a really good point I never thought about that, they totally should!
Fantastic explanations, great channel! Subbed with pleasure, Chris! 🎉
Thanks so much!
Fantastic video!! Learned a lot!!
Thanks so much!
Well done Chris this was really interesting and well put-together was hoping to avoid more subscriptions but have to follow you now
Thanks so much! I am glad you enjoyed it! Episode 2 of this series is up now all about the Vintage EQ Collection. I hope you will check it out as well.
Thanks a lot for the video... can you upload gain stage for input so comp. React well, smooth.. so we can achieve goodies.
You are welcome! I would say for the Logic compressor gain staging is not as important as for hardware compressors. As long as you are at a reasonable level somewhere between -18 and -6 and definitely not clipping you will get a good result.
Thanks Chris this was helpful 🙏
Awesome! Glad to help!
Really interesting and informative video - many thanks for posting!
You are most welcome!
A perfect presentation! Thanks for all the information and the little “tips”.
Gianni❤
Thank you! Glad you found the video helpful!
Awesome video, thanks!
Thank you!
Thank you for you work!
You are very welcome!
Thx man! Very helpful.
Glad to help!
Nice history lesson, appreciated!
Thanks!
Most excellent infos. Thank you Chris!
Thanks so much! Glad you liked the video!
This is a great idea for a video. Thank you.
Awesome! You are welcome!
Nice vid!
One thing though I've never really see the 'Opto' as an LA2A emulation. Reason being that it still lets you choose the attack, release, and threshold values. Also its doesn't do the two stage release thing (50% of the GR releases quickly release followed by a slower release) the LA2A does. Lastly the detecter circuit has an eq (although on the unit it is adjustable) where it boost the high end, you can also do this in the plug side chain but its not 'baked in'. So if its an 'opto compressor with valve makeup gain, and full set of controls', I'd say its closer to a Tube Tech CL-1B
But hey thats just me being picky lol, if it sounds good, it is good! Again, nice video!
Thank you so much for this perspective! I never considered that it might be a CL-1B and not an LA2A but it makes so much sense. Everyone online says it is LA2A just with different controls, but you may have changed my mind! I think because the GUI is white I just immediately agreed that its LA2A just with different controls haha. I am also not nearly as familiar with CL-1Bs as I am with LA2As but your points are so valid!
Some feedback would be to add chapters... and, uh... that's it. Great content, presentation and beard. Subscribed!
Thanks for the feedback! I totally forgot to do that!
Cool video, I think it would be useful to compare these models to other popular emulations (Waves, UAD etc) or even hardware in therms of how close they are and what sets them apart sonically
Thanks! That's a great idea I will try to make some videos like that in the future!
Great video mate! More please 🙏
Thanks! Will do!
ah nice! great historic deets and music samples. i been using those them stock plug ins for a couple yrs now; they are mostly fine or really i think plenty enough usually. only thing missed was hearing one at 50 ish percent / parallel. maybe one on the stock reverbs would be cool... to compare too w other fancy ones.
Thanks so much! Reverbs are definitely on the list for this series!
Great video, Chris! Thank you
Thanks! You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for sharing this important info. Much appreciated...
You are welcome!
Thank you for this comprehensive video! I found a lot of useful information with great value!
You're welcome! Glad you liked the video!
That was great! I also have a few RRS compressors. There is one called the CL1 that is called a Russian compressor. It sounds great, but I have no idea what it is modeled after.
Thanks! I've never heard of that but based on the name perhaps it is emulating a Tube Tech CL-1B?
@@sangstersounds I’ll check that! Thanks!
Nice one - been wondering how best to use those options…
Glad to help!
Awesome vid.
Thanks!
Great vid!
Thanks!
Thxs !
You’re welcome!
great video!
thanks
Thanks!
Nice series!
Thanks!
Very well done
Thanks!
Thanks!
You are welcome!
As I understand it, the distortion settings only work as you approach the specified output setting (0dbfs as default). Does this setting also apply to any signal that is being manipulated by the compressor? Thank you for your explanation and sharing some audio history with us as well!
If you turn the compressor plugin on, the signal is processed, manipulated by the the plugin. Even if the compression settings are ‚off’. This goes also for the distortion setting which gets more audible the more compression is applied.
From my testing the soft and hard distortion settings apply saturation to any signal coming through the plugin (even with no compression happening). The clip setting needs to some type of gain boost either input gain or makeup gain to effect the signal. All three apply more of their effect as the gain is raised. Hope that helps!
I always wanted to know the origin of these compressors
Glad to help!
Excellent video. Insta sub.
Thanks so much! I appreciate the support!
Thank you❤
You're welcome!!
Thanks again Chris! If I knew I already had an 1176 and LA2A in Logic I wouldn’t have bought them through third parties! 😂 Any other emulations we should be aware of? Strong 💪 beard by the way!
You are welcome!! From the comments its looking like people want to see a breakdown of the Logic Vintage EQs next so stay tuned for that! Thanks!
iirc Platinum Digital goes back to the Compressor that was a premium feature in eMagic's Logic Audio Gold and Platinum product tiers. I have no idea if the algorithm is the same or similar.
Oh cool! I didn't realize that had lineage back to the eMagic days!
I tend to be heavy handed with the distortion knob 😂
Nothing wrong with that if it sounds good!
Well, to find out, while on the UAD beta team, I build the hardware. That's how ya know, but I will say, I've spent countless months comparing them and turn of the century, basically none of algorithms sound anything like today. Today, you can actually hear it compress, two decades ago, not really.
Great 👍🏻
Thanks!
That's the thing with logic no need to break the bank for mixing plugins
So true! Logic has excellent plugins and a lot of them😊 Alchemy alone is worth 200 bucks.
100% agree. It is one of the main reasons I use Logic!
listening on boston acoustics in living room, some of these i just don't hear whats its doing, any thoughts on how to hear?
try headphones
The kush audio video "how to hear compression" is the best out there imo. It's about ear training. I can hear this compression on my phone at low level.
It is probably going to be hard to hear in a living room environment. Best if you can listen on headphones or studio monitors. Hope that helps!
Seems odd for Logic to offer two 1176 models but no Fairchild or other similar valve type?
Good point! A fairchild emulation would be a great addition!
dbx is my boy
You're my boy
EQ!!!
Thanks for the suggestion!!
No insult intended. However, you should use a real drummer on a drum track. That electronic drum beat. You play is totally annoying.
But, I think you’re going in the right direction here. Keep it up and find a real drummer for your drum tracks.✌️❤
I’m truly sorry I did not mean to insult you. I too am a musician and in recording. I did find your presentation on compression very interesting and insightful. I’m aware you use an electronic drum track for your demonstration, however a real drum track especially the kick drum would have been much more effective. That’s all and again I apologize. After all, I think your new channel is going in the right direction and that is why I subscribe to your channel. I will refrain from making any more comments in the future. Good luck with your channel and I will watch for your next video because you do have some interesting points that interest me. then again, if you wish to block me, I would understand. Again, wish you well with your new channel. Your video and editing work was outstanding. Have a happy new year and peace and love.✌️❤️
No worries at all! I appreciate your honest feedback! Thanks!