People like this make me so mad because they: - Guilt the victim - Act like they magically know more than researchers - Often give false information - Are selling you something that will not help, or will help very little, or will actually harm you! I always enjoy a breakdown like this Hank. You help keep me sane on this crazy internet.
Not to mention a low carb diet usually involves high meat high saturated fat which will increase your risk of other cancers and heart disease in the future. This overly simplistic mindset is anti-intellectualism is so frustrating
Even worse is calling themselves "USA Medical". Because putting "medical" in the name will absolutely convince some people that they have any medical experience at all and should be trusted about this.
@@jenm1 and further (having been on keto for neuro reasons), a super low carb diet is -very difficult to maintain -very difficult on your digestion -prohibitively expensive -is not a good idea for long term, and long term depends on the individual -relies on a very careful balance that if you don't manage, will send you into ketoacidosis. which is bad.
I think he did it to convince vulnerable people that the experts are wrong. I've already said there's a conspiracy! so don't be surprised when you look up what I said and they say I'm wrong! I'm actually not! Just turns out he was exceptionally stupid at pulling this old trick.
@@nj.7325and on top of that he is trying to say “the fact that research so quickly says that I am wrong proves that I am right, because they are so eagerly trying to dismiss it!”
Seeing as how he's using those videos to sell supplements, I'd say it's more that he's intentionally misleading his viewers rather than just being wrong. The guy gives off real conman vibes.
Cancer also needs a living host to survive. I think xkcd had a comic about this, where it said “the next time someone says something kills cancer cells in a Petri dish, just remember, so does a handgun.”
It’s such a short step from “eating the right way will cure your cancer” to “people with cancer deserve it because they’re not helping themselves”. This shit is terrifying.
yeah people with chronic illness/disability generally face more than enough of this attitude from people already, we don't need anymore 'help' from people like this
@@Steph-zo5zkbUt DiD yOu TrY tO cHaNge YoUr MiNdSeT? (Like sure yeah I’ll just tell my body to not do the thing it’s doing it’s not like I wish it just worked the right way!)
When people engage in that sort of victim blaming, it's because sub-consciously, they're trying to find the reasons why it would never happen to them. You got cancer because you didn't eat as well as me. You were hit by a car because you weren't paying attention. You were assaulted because you went places alone and didn't pay enough attention. The reality is that there might be risk factors, but bad shit happens to good people all the time. I remember a commercial from the 90s warning about second hand smoke and lung cancer, where this older woman said "I couldn't believe it, I'd never smoked." It's the classic "this was your own fault" disease. But you can get lung cancer from literally just breathing. Also, keep this in mind when people talk about how they prayed and God gave them a miracle that cured their disease. It implies that God cured theirs, but not everyone's... maybe because others didn't pray hard enough, huh?
**Person:** I cured cancer! Why didn’t doctors think of that? **Doctors:** Actually we thought of that already, and it doesn’t work. **Person:** The medical field is corrupt!
As I said, diet does matter...and it would be great if we all were eating less sugar and particularly less processed refined added sugar! But cancer likes a lot of things that we can't change about our bodies...for example, that there is glucose in our blood.
There's a common myth around nutrition circles to avoid methionine when one has cancer because cancer needs methionine. You know, the amino acid needed to build literally every protein including ones that make your cells function.
In regard to the “doctors and nurses want to keep patients sick” argument… my dad just had his bell ringing ceremony for finishing his chemo treatment for his third round of cancer, every single one of his nurses and a few of his doctors were there, in tears. So many healthcare workers care so much for their patients, it’s disturbing to me that someone would sow doubt about their intentions while then turning around and trying to sell a product. Thank you for refusing to let people with bad intentions put their garbage out there.
I doubt most people can fully comprehend how incredibly disheartening it is to study your young adulthood away, now amassing crushing student loan debt that will divert your newbie income away from compounding interests opportunities and home ownership, studying for degrees that are consistently listed as top ten or fifteen most difficult to earn, working holidays and weekends away from your family, leaving your sick kids at home with expensive sick-care sitters so you can go care for sick strangers, 14 hours no meals (we’re exempt from federal protections on breaks), often no bathroom breaks (I’m on kidney stone #4), no water or drinks at the nurses station per regulations, increasing patient acuity (we’re keeping sicker people alive) and intruding technology ostensibly for “patient care” but actually for billing and CYA, rude entitled family members and abusive patients (70-80% of workplace violence is in healthcare), and “hero worship” when we’re being manipulated into working pandemics without PPE (twice now in my 40 years) but as soon as the manipulation is no longer advantageous charging us criminally for medication errors… All that and then some snot-nosed incel wants to say I’m selfish and money-hungry? Infuriating.
@@merkinidgit my father is a doctor. I love the biological sciences and want to work in biomedical research, but I will not go into patient-facing healthcare under any circumstances. I've seen what it does to good people like my dad, and the poison in the industry.
I was prescribed a zero sugar/carb diet. I had esophageal cancer, which is a very particular cancer, and that was part of my treatment. Fairly minor aspect, but it was early stage and as I went through treatment I stayed on it. Afterwards my wife and I both kept on it, as we were also losing weight. Then my wife suddenly died of signet cell carcinoma. She was on the same diet the entire time as the cancer grew in her and mine died. I found mine early, she was stage four within six months of having it (as it is a very rare and viciously fast cancer). Sorry, Hank - I unsubscribed when you announced you had cancer. I lost Sarah last year on Easter Sunday, and I couldn't follow your story while dealing with my grief. It's good to see you're still putting out good content, and absolutely wonderful to have you around to be doing so. You would have liked her, even if she quibbled about some of your presentations (she was a quantum chemist and taught at WKU). Probably because she quibbled: you both were passionate educators.
Sending so so so much love and so many warm hugs to you, friend. Heartbreaking that your wife is no longer here. I do not know you, but you are so so loved.
Sorry to hear of your esophageal cancer, my friend passed away in April from that and stomach cancer as well. Very very vicious. And radiation didn't work for her. She was on FLOT treatment and it was killing her so she stopped. In her case the cancer just took over. Very sorry to hear about your wife and I hope you're feeling better. I've just joined Hank's channel. Good luck with your treatments 🙏🇨🇦
To be fair... it DID work for epilepsy patients. Which we know because _it worked in clinical trials_ . It was tested. And it worked. If it worked for cancer patients, the doctors would be having their patients do it.
i think it's more like keto, no carbs / glucose means the body uses fat for energy instead. which is not proven to help more than a healthy balanced diet.
@@devilslamp7306 though keto (which i have done for neuro reasons and found moderate success) is not zero carb. it's close, but if you get too close to zero carbs things get real bad real fast. keto is a delicate dance. and it's temporary and really kinda sucks, but that's beside the point.
My dad now needs a liver transplant after falling down the "alternative" medicine rabbit hole and spending 1000s of dollars on supplements and therapies. And he's convinced the only reason he's lived this long is *because* of that stuff. It's not possible for him to consider that he has declined to the point of needing a new liver because of chasing white rabbits instead of following the medical protocol for his condition. It's sad. These people are predators, full stop.
My mother had a clean colonoscopy in Dec 2020. By March 2021 she had a colon blocking tumor. She'd taken absolute handfuls of supplements daily since 2019. Despite me pleading with her not to and explaining that those pills could contain Anything, including lead. Surgery, Chemo, and radiation did not work and she passed Feb 2024. Now I make my doctor prescribe my vitamin D capsules because I won't buy OTC supplements.
@@sissinoklahoma2057 as someone who has prescribed vitamins, you might want to know that in many regions the prescription vitamins and the OTC vitamins are made in the same plants and/or by the same resellers, and that prescription status does not guarantee quality or purity like it should. I in particular had an issue with vitamin D prescribed to me because it contained lanolin, an unmarked ingredient, to which I am very allergic to, and it took expensive third party testing to prove that the prescribed vitamin D which didn't document that it was coming from sheep's lanolin is indeed being harvested from sheep's lanolin. I am now taking an expensive OTC brand that sells lichen-derived vitamin D because it doesn't literally poison me like the prescription one did.
I've started commenting this on sleep training Instagram reels. They get pushed in the wee hours and moms are desperate. They're preying on desperate, zombie women who need support. I never word it like that of course, I'm polite about highlighting that they're making xyz inflammatory video to sell a course, but they never seem to like it all that much.
I was accompanying a friend to her chemotherapy and was sitting in the waiting area. One of the reception ladies put the phone down and turned to the other ladies and said "we just got a new patient". Their reaction and her tone of voice was heartbreaking. She sounded so sad and they just basically sighed, but the atmosphere dropped immediately. I can promise you if all their patients suddenly got cured and no one else came in for treatment they will absolutely not be upset to be out of a job. Anyone who thinks that doctors are actively keeping patients sick must have their head examined 7:21
Yes, we'd all love to have to change specialties because oncology wouldn't have any more patients!! 🎉 That would be a dream!!❤ My heart breaks just a little bit every time one of my patients returns.
A lot of people don't know how to analyze incentive structures and come to really stupid conclusions like this. Like doctors don't actually make money off of keeping patients sick, because if their treatments never worked then no one would use their services, they thus make money off of curing patients or if that isn't possible at least treating the symptoms.
People are scared of the possibility that not every chronic illness can be cured, so they come up with ways to separate themselves from those who are ill. The same thing happens when people are mugged or in a crash. It is safer to blame the victim for supposedly doing the wrong thing, because then we can tell ourselves that we would not get ill/mugged/injured. This can be very lonely for people who are blamed by friends and family who have a desperate need to convince themselves that they are not vulnerable. Best wishes to you, Hank, and everyone else who is hurt or ill.
I think the same mindset is part of vaccination denial. The parents feel better saying "little johnny has a strong immune system because I feed him organic goat milk so I don't need to worry" rather than saying, "the world is a dangerous place and the best thing I can do for him involves taking him to a doctor where he may be scared or in pain and go through this scary process of swabbing his arm and sticking a needle in."
Some of us didn't have much of a choice when it came to eating. I had throat cancer and due to the radiation and damage that would happen in my mouth and throat I had a feeding tube. The bottles of nutrition that I had to pour into that feeding tube was designed specifically for my situation. I am sure that a lot research had gone into it to nourish me in the best possible way. We have to kill the cancer, yes, but we want to keep the patient alive. I went from 180 lbs to 150 lbs, my doctors said I did good. Don't let BS like what that guy is selling stop you from listening to your doctors, they don't want to lose you.
of course, if you try to point that out, assholes like this will just pivot to "yeah, they wanna keep you alive enough to keep paying them, but sick enough that you have to keep paying them" and....man, its just so gross. makes me so mad.
Yes to all of this. I had a similar situation using a feeding tube during cancer treatment. I'm a tongue cancer survivor. My feeding tube was placed while I was under for my initial cancer surgery. I was on liquid nutrition for nearly a year, from the initial recovery, through chemo and radiation, and revision surgeries. I also had to crush my meds to put them through my tube as well. I saw a dietitian at least once a month for that entire year, and once weekly during the month and a half of radiation. And I can go back and see her whenever, if I think it would benefit me. She monitored my weight, and increased the number of nutrition shakes when I was losing weight too quickly. She encouraged me to drink the nutrition shakes whenever I could tolerate it, drink as much water as I could tolerate, but if I couldn't tolerate it, to put them through my tube. She also encouraged me to supplement with broth, applesauce, mashed potatoes, yogurt, and whatever else I wanted to puree. During a few weeks of radiation, it hurt even to drink water, but that's what the feeding tube is for. I had a huge team of medical professionals working to keep me as well as possible. My pain, setbacks, and other difficulties were met with empathy and compassion, and any and all good moments were celebrated with me. My cancer team did, and still does, want the best for me. They follow the research and their hard won experience to help me make the best choices for my well-being, while killing the cancer, reducing the chances of it returning, and now, managing my continued needs in my post-cancer care.
Not to be a downer, but I think it has a lot to do with your age and the type of cancer, as well as the quality of the medical staff and facilities. The younger you are, the more doctors will do to try and save you. I've had several older/elderly people in my family get mishandled by hospitals, and it gave me the strong feeling that at some point the doctors kind of wrote them off. Obviously it's conjecture, but you start to notice patterns. The older people in my family consistently have problems getting quality treatment. I don't want to vilify doctors and nurses, but I don't think we should idolize them either. I understand that they have to make hard choices, but it's hard to be sympathetic when you're on the losing end of the grim mathematics of medical care.
@@LivingNexusThey're treating by the most amount of lives, and the quality of those lives, to be saved. Which means old people and hard to treat illnesses are quite low on the priority list since as we all know, the older you get, the more your body falls apart which leads to a worse quality of life and more medical complications than young people usually do. There's also the moral aspect where younger people have more to live for rather than someone who has already experienced most of their life. Am not saying this is how it should be but this is how it is, there simply isn't enough medical resources for everyone to get their needed share. All they can do is **try** to make the best of it, even if that possibly results in a worse outcome.
@@logalexdavidvid described how the body will literally break down fast and muscle into glucose, it's not no carbs it's just your body degrading because of its lack of external carbs
I'm a nurse (not specifically in oncology, but these kinds of scammers go after every field of medicine) and you almost made me cry at the end there. Because, yeah, it does hurt when you hear people say things like that, but I also don't know if I'm "allowed" to be hurt by it because it's not *my* suffering or *my* emergency. Thanks for the acknowledgement, it means a lot coming from someone like you :)
This internet rando gives you permission to be hurt, you may not be the one directly damaged but it does directly impact you since you are one of the people cleaning up the mess caused.
Best thing I heard was you never need to have a right to feel feelings, you just do! Just have to treat people well and acknowledge their rights too. (caveat for mean feelings: if you're feeling something unhealthy, processing that to get to healthy is the way
When my mom was going through cancer treatment (immunotherapy rather than chemo), I came up with the mantra, "Every calorie is a good calorie" in a meeting with her dietitian. We concluded there was no point in trying to get her to eat specific foods or nutrients when the problem was getting her to eat enough, period. More often than not, it was Mega-Stuf Oreos and chocolate-covered cordial cherries to the rescue. Anything she would eat with enthusiasm was top priority.
Another thing about "why wouldn't people who are dying try everything" if someone is at the hospice stage, they deserve comfort and dignity and at a certain point extending life isnt what they want
My uncle did this when he got cancer. He didn't go through all the potential treatments, he did things like marry his girlfriend and live his life as much as he could until the end.
i wish we had, as a family, internalized that idea when dealing with my grandfather's cancer :( everyone somehow felt that 'the right thing to do' was help him fight as hard as possible in an unwinnable battle. the end result was that he spent his last days on earth in abject misery, thinning out and constantly sick and unable to do something as simple as enjoying a cigarette it was not the right thing to do. it was horrific
@@ItWasSaucerShaped 🫂 I'm so sorry your family went through that. It's hard to know what the right decision is when dealing with death so I have nothing but empathy for people navigating it
And the plot thickens, because the immune cells in the tumor also need glucose to function inside the tumor, and they actually will compete for glucose in the tumor microenvironment. This helps explain why glucose restriction may be good for some types of cancers but not for others.
Keto has been used before with some promising results on some types of cancers. Of course, listen to your doctors, I'm not giving medical advice, just that combining diet with chemo treatment has shown an increased rate of recovery in some people: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6375425/
My brother has terminal Prostate Cancer. His Oncologist told him no Cherry Pepsi for several days before PET scans and one of his treatments. Bummer part, it’s his one comfort food😩
Thank you, as a nurse, for calling out the offensive notion that healthcare wants to keep people ill. We work hard to get people better. And yes, we have that wall, but I still cried for my terminal cancer patient who had a drawing from her 5 year old "come home soon mommy" I cried when the wife of a man i cares for for months hugged me the night he died I do not want people to get or keep cancer. Or any illness. It doesn't matter that its my job, it doesn't mean I wish it on them as part of a grand money-making conspiracy
I hate when people say “try everything!” to justify their stupid ideas. If this guy had cancer, would he try wearing green socks? Sleeping with his head in a fishbowl? Shoving a cactus up his arse? Why not, those are “things”? Oh, because they’re obviously not going to help. Well it’s the same with dudebro and mums’ bible group ideas, it’s just most people don’t have the medical knowledge to know why. Which is why we pay doctors who do have that knowledge
It's like Pascal's Wager but for cancer treatment instead of religion. Just like you can't be all of the religions at once, you can't try all of the bullshit at once.
Just to get pedantic, we pay doctors who are licensed to apply reliable knowledge and proscribe approved treatments. All doctors don't know all of medicine.
I heard if you wear blue socks while bathing in full moonlight in the middle of lake Superior during the month of February while listening to AC/DC in the year 1276 it will cure you of all aliments and grant immortality until the band AC/DC is formed. I mean how can we know if no one has tried it?
My dad passed away from terminal cancer a while ago. He chose to undertake a crazy diet, low carb and low sugar as he believed eating those fuelled the cancer. He wasn’t a stupid man instead he was fuelled by the fear of death and I wish people stopped creating more fear by suggesting people with cancer aren’t doing enough to help themselves. Medical cancer treatments like chemo and radiation are gruelling as it is, they are designed to kill parts of your body. Let people who are sick be sick, and let those people eat their sugary snacks! Edit: this just hit a nerve ahaha
So sorry to hear about your dad. It is possible that his super low-carb diet did help a little bit. It's possible that it didn't. But a lot of people want to do a thing that gives them some sense of control, which I think is absolutely fine, as long as we don't think it will be some kind of miracle.
@@hankschannel oh I completely agree, I think it gave him the control he needed in a situation where he felt powerless. He knew it wasn’t a cure but I believe he was willing to try anything, which is why I feel it is better for other people not to impose their opinions on people going through such turbulent change. I was very young at the time and he just wanted to have more time to see my and my siblings grow, which I think is very understandable. I won’t ever judge him for his diet no matter how strange it seems to me because his choice was fuelled with such complex emotions that I will not understand without his lived experience.
My brother was in a study at Johns Hopkins on the effect of the pure keto diet on brain cancer, so some people are researching it. In the end, my brother didn't survive, but that doesn't mean the diet had no effect. I don't know if the study ever had results, or if it's even completed yet.
My grandma's best friend died of terminal cancer and the only thing that she could stomach in those last few months were sticky buns. If it's a sticky bun or starve, choose the bun.
The moment he said "cancer needs glucose" my brain immediately said "oh God, he's going to suggest a no carb diet, and he's completely missing the point because the body will literally convert any fuel into glucose, and even if that wasn't true you need glucose for the rest of your body too-"
When people try to sell health and wellness but clearly don't understand anything about the biology involved, they are charlatans and absolutely do not have your best interest in mind.
I think some people mistakenly believe that fructose isn't a type of sugar because it also gets called a ketose but that just refers to it having a ketone group. It seems like a lot of people don't actually know what a ketone is, a ketone is just an oxygen that is double bonded to a carbon molecule that is within a larger carbon molecule. It isn't really magic and you find them all the time in organic chemistry.
My husband just spent a month in a comprehensive cancer center battling leukemia and the entire time he was there we •both• felt surrounded by love and compassion and a drive to get him better. The nurses, doctors, techs, and even the facilities staffing, all were rooting for him and doing anything they could to ease his pain, make sure he had what he needed, made sure •I• was OK, etc. and definitely wanted him to get healthy enough to discharge, which he did on July 15th. We still have a long road ahead of us for his recovery, but to sit there and say the medical personnel want to keep people sick is beyond reproach and not even for a millisecond did either of us feel that way during his time there. Grifters gonna grift, I suppose. Thank you for this video and calling out this type of bullshit.
As an ex Oncology nurse, with my patients I celebrated the remissions, & comforted them when all existing treatments failed. Thank you for clearing up some of the disinformation out there.
Nobody’s good at everything, but everybody’s good at something. What’s your thing? Thanks for the flashback from this comment Concerned Children’s Advertisers Canada
“Radiation kills cancer. Why don’t we just walk into the middle of a nuclear reactor?” The Internet is the best and the worst thing to ever happen to peoples intelligence.
Actually many cancer cells like low oxygen environments so the thing they suggest is to go ultra-oxygenate the body but, again, oxygen concentrations in the blood are controlled by the body very tightly and cancers are packed tight and so this doesn't really affect them. The weirdest is people who are like "cancers love acidic bodies so eat basic foods" like the basic foods aren't headed straight into a vat of acid in your stomach!!
I don't have cancer, but as a chronically ill person this type of people drive me insane! You always have random people coming out of the woodworks and being like "you should try "random pseudosciency treatment!", "You have nothing to loose" or " it can't hurt!" It totally can hurt! I have a limited amount of energy so I cannot be trying all this things, most of them expensive, not to talk about the emotional toll it takes! I hate people that exploits vulnerable and desperate sick people for their own agenda, even if they really believe it or if it worked for them there is no guarantee it will work for me every body is different and reacts differently, so I'd rather trust my medical team. Thank you for making this video ❤
I also have a chronic condition and the stupid and horrible things that even your own family will say to you is mind boggling. It’s like, you don’t think that if there was a cure I would be doing that and not just trying to manage this the best I can?
Yes! I think the worst one may be when “you just need to exercise more” like thanks never thought of that…also I have exercise intolerance and too much exercise is harmful.
There's something that i always do whenever i have this kind of "not sufficiently educated epiphany" which that i go to google and just ask if anyone ever actually try it (cause you know most ideas are not original anymore unless you make a significant breakthrough) and almost every time i will find how disastrous my idea was and proceed to learn about it more. A lot of people seems to just be too confident in their logical capacity that they don't even seek much of a confirmation/testing/real case scenario and just blindly believe what they want to believe.
the way he just propose "why don't these desperate people try everything they can?" just reeks ignorance, as the video says, you can't try everything and can only try one thing at a time. trying these methods takes time, time that is very limited which further caps how many random things you can try. in this case we have tried a lot of things (which sacrificed a lot of people's life) that we know that no carb diet isn't a solution to this problem. I reaaaally feel like the guy just think of himself as the socrates of the modern day that everything he ponders is somehow a new-never before seen idea that is this silver bullet that noone ever thought of
It's also a lot of fun when you do find someone who tried it and then you get to see how it turned out. It's really satisfying to find that kind of answer even if it turned out that your idea was catastrophically dumb because sometimes that at least creates a spectacle.
@hedgehog3180 it is a lot of fun because you get the thrill and satisfaction of finding out what your idea entails and resulted without all the effort, tension, and disappointment. It's extra fun whenever you find out that the other person has only tested it recently and still active so you can talk about it with them or other people who had the same idea and discuss. I remember experiencing this when i first found out about "Cody's lab" while pondering about the idea of having a hydroponic farm that get a majority of it's fertilizer from a fishtank waste and he genuinely made that thing and found out that it's finicky
And not limited to just healthcare. Pretty much every field you can think of has these same people. And there are millions of them. And thanks to the internet, they are well-united.
Mistrust in healthcare professionals often begins with providers who are overworked and don't get enough time with their patients, but spend almost as much time fighting insurance companies, and therefore cannot provide the care patients deserve. Not only that, but there are providers who should frankly not be practicing due to their horrible bedside manner and quality of care. Coupled with what you listed, and poor FDA regulation of supplements and alternative treatments, it's a perfect storm. There are so many supplements on the market that I feel like we've created a monster - if they or most of them disappeared overnight the economy would suffer for it at this point. :(
@@henry-lv69 Selling supplements is LIKE selling medicine, just with zero regulation or proof that it has any effect at all. Can't imagine why scammers would swarm all over it.
From my experience in both research and medicine; the dog whistle I think this person is blowing is not that we want patients to die. It is that we want them to use treatments we “profit” from and can keep them dependent on. I’m in a country with extensive public healthcare. We definitely don’t profit and have more patients than we can handle already. It is another symptom of the distrust in experts and science. I appreciate science educators like you that try and push back against this view.
This exactly! He’s implying that, by “omitting” the ~curative power of a no-carb diet~ from the literature, Big Doctor is trying to keep you sick and at a higher risk of cancer so you will need to continue giving them money for treatment.
To me this feels like a young man who's never had to watch someone they're close to go through cancer treatment. He hasn't met the doctors, he hasn't suffered the endless hours waiting for test results, he hasn't held hands or sat by a loved one's bed-side, he hasn't had to give or receive bad news, he hasn't had to plan for the worst, and hope for the best, and then hope for the next best, and then just hope it won't be as bad as it could be. I'm glad you got angry, Hank, I got very angry. But most of all I'm so glad that you are here to give us the truth. Instead of half-assed google searches and probably-not-great-for-you supplements.
I have stage 4 cancer. Once I was diagnosed, I could not believe all of the helpful, "You should try X! I heard it's good at fighting cancer!" Also, "Are you sure your doctor knows what they're doing?" type of comments. "Your oncologist said you should do this, but maybe if you change this and add that..." 🤦♂ NO! I'm going to trust the man that spent 12 years in primary school followed by at least 10 years in higher education, of which no less than 2 years was working in his field at what could best be described as slave wages, in order to treat people with my condition. Thank you, but leave me alone!
Don't have cancer, but I will say this applies to a shocking amount of disabilities and health conditions. Everyone has unsolicited (almost always unfounded) advice and if it's not diet or exercise or oils or herbs, they resort to crystals or "Don't claim it and God will take it away." Or whatever else. It's exhausting. And oftentimes, even when you try and politely educate someone or turn them down they don't want to hear it. They just deflect "oh, that's just what I heard, I figured I'd suggest it, but I really don't know..." Or get defensive "I was only trying to help, if you didn't want to hear it, you could've just said so!" You almost never get an honest apology or someone willing to listen to what you have to say.
I have come to the conclusion that when people that have never had cancer talk about cancer, what they are really talking about is their fear. They couch it in the terms of being helpful or encouraging, but they are mostly just vocalizing their fears at you. I lost a kidney to renal cell carcinoma in 2020 (clear margins), and it just amazed me how many people needed to tell me that I could live a full and satisfying life with only one kidney. It was all they had, they felt a need to give it to me, and I always tried to accept it in the spirit in which it was offered, but it gets tiring.
My son lost his kidney at 4 years old to Wilms Tumor Stage 3 🎉 that is exactly what they were telling us.. so I'm guessing it's OK with CERTAIN cancers?
It reminds me of a common thing with chronic illnesses. People give unsolicited health advice a lot, and I (alongside many other ill people before me) tend to interpret that as a belief that if they do *everything* right, they won't get health issues, and that health issues are a problem of will, not of luck. It's helpful for me to tolerate unsolicited advice when I learned that perspective, but it is depressing.
@@buffienguyen This happens a LOT with chronic mental illness too it's at the very least disheartening and at the very worst genuinely problematic in terms of the health of society as a whole
@@Shinigami13133 clear margins is the term they use when surgery is conducted to remove a tumour or tumours and they cut a few mm/cm more than the detected cancerous area. They test the margins of the cut or that extra portion and see if it contains any cancer cells. If all the margins come back negative for cancer that is considered "clear margins" and that the tumour has been succesfully removed and you will not require further surgery. Note that doesn't mean you won't need further treatment such as chemo or radiation. I had clear margins, but I still had to ensure no silly little cancer cells were still somewhere in there chilling around so still did treatment.
7:47 This so much! Even in the lab where we rarely actually meet our patients - we remember the names and we see the lab results, and we celebrate when patients get better and we worry and mourn when patients decline.
Home healthcare worker here and one of my very stable patients passed away suddenly on Thursday, and last week my sons 31 yr old drum teacher passed away due to complications from cancer. I just have to say THANK YOU HANK!!! I didn’t take on this career to harm people. ❤
As a cancer patient I can tell you sometimes eating is near impossible anyways so what I was told to eat whatever I can get in me, ofc with tips on nutrient denser easy stuff. The first thing I was told when I got my diagnosis was not loosing weight. I was overweight at the time and it was still the important part. See the thing is when you starve ur losing muscle weight more than fat and losing muscle makes you weaker for obvious reasons. I've lost ton of weight anyway and the day I weighted the same as the week before instead of lower was such a celebration. I'm not the kind of person these ppl pray on since I trust my medical experts.
As a cancer patient, THANK YOU. I'm so sick of this myth. You said you shouldn't get mad, but I disagree. Our anger is valid. Misinformation like this costs lives.
This reminds me of a woman I met who claimed to have a zero blood glucose. I told her that wasn't so or she would be dead. She said she'd done her own research. I told her that her research was wrong. She demanded to know what gave me the right to critisize her. so, I listed off the degrees including the unfinished PhD. Suddenly, I was her go to for science and health.
It's actually pretty amazing and great that she was like "You have more information about this than I do? Fantastic! Please share your information." If we were all willing to listen to people who were legitimately able to prove us wrong, I think we'd all be far better off. Good job sharing info in a way that was clearly impactful!!🎉
ugh all of these people that 'do their own research' my do to response is now 'oh really? can you send me a copy of your peer reviewed publication on the topic?'
Since I've been diagnosed, I've been given a lot of unsolicited advice like this. And I gotta say, it's been really easy to tell who has actually spoken to or worked with cancer patients/survivors and who hasn't. If this guy actually just had a conversation with me or another cancer patient, we could tell you what it's like to fight for survival. What it's like during chemo and how you literally can't eat anything because it all tastes like garbage, so a low carb diet is easy to achieve and is unintentionally done anyways by many of us. Because as much as I would love some chocolate cake, it tastes like I'm licking a sewer drain. But I also think its a lot easier to blame us for our diagnosis. I think it makes people like him feel safe. I know the thought process is "well I know I'm never gonna get cancer, I'm healthy, and even if I did get it I would XYZ and survive." Because if I told him that many vegans, and people who did triathlons as a hobby, and people who are on low carb diets get cancer all the time, then thats scary. That means anyone could get it. And thats not a reality people like him want to live in. They want to believe that their loved ones and them are immune. And I get that. But telling vulnerable people to stop eating ice cream and to buy your supplements is honestly evil. And he deserves all the backlash he is getting.
In a weird way I got lucky with getting my leukemia diagnosis in the middle of COVID so I literally couldn't talk to anyone but close family and a few friends and my medical people. I still see bullshit like when I try to google it but at least I don't have the usual gaggle of folks butting in.
Honestly though, after chemo I'm lucky enough to be able to eat whatever food I manage. Fuck trying to stick to some crazy diet while feeling like that 🤮
In our uni oncology class the prof referenced this funny comic that says something like "guns kill cancer" (stick figure shooting at a petri dish) and basically explained that "anything can kill cancer, but most of anything will kill the patient too"
as someone books appointments for patients with cancer I extremely appreciate what you had to say. You definitely do take your work home with you when people's lives are at stake and I would never want to do anything to make someone worse.
I overheard a guy in my gym locker room saying doctors want patients to be sick because it makes them more money. That somehow their pay is tied to the more things they find wrong with their patients. It made me so angry. I am glad Hank is here to push back against misinfo like that nonsense in a passionate yet well reasoned manner.
Yea it blows my mind how these people think the medical establishment works. Could and should healthcare be cheaper? Absolutely! Are hospitals and the way they are run part of the problem! Definitely! However, doctors definitively DO NOT get paid more if their patients are sicker. In fact, you could argue the opposite, as being promoted and receiving greater clinical responsibility in the clinic is often directly tied to the outcomes of your patient panel.
Similarly, I felt like doctors wanted me to be crazy and die when I was trying to get disgnosed for a very managable digestive condition that had scary symptoms. But, when I read the research (literature reviews usually), talked about it with my science-minded friends, etc I realized that it was kust those thre doctors (who were all older and at least low key toxic) who wrte setting up an adversarial relationship with me. I was able to get my head straight through following a bunch of doctors on twitter and blocking the ones who made me feel unsafe and focusing on the ones who talked about designing the care for the patient.
Doctors get paid with a salary, and they want fewer sick patients because it makes their job easier! Why do people not get that!? If doctors got paid the more they treated patients, then we wouldn't have just basically cured sickle cell anemia! (It's a wicked expensive gene therapy, but it actually works. They don't call it a cure, but it's a one-time treatment that stops sickle cell disease from being a problem, so it's basically a cure.)
Earlier this year my little brother passed from complications with his heart. That's a pain that I can't even describe. And the worst part is I saw that pain mirrored in the staff that helped take care of him and try to save his life. Despite the freak incident, they still obviously blamed themselves. To say that any medical professional does not want to do the absolute most to take care of someone is unforgivable. There are very few people that I believe should be de-platformed but anyone that says something like that I can't forgive it.
I never could understand the weird adversarial stance that some people take with their care team. They're *literally* trying to save your life. That's the whole reason you're there, and the whole reason *they're* there. I know fear makes people act strangely sometimes, but when I was in treatment for my cancer, I just felt so damn thankful that there were people willing and able to save me, even if I had to wait a long time for blood-work, or go through painful/uncomfortable tests and treatments etc, etc. Asking questions and doing your own research is all well and good, but in the end, you're there because they're medical professionals, who's job it is at the moment to keep your cancer from killing you.
Thank you so much Hank for your defense and empathy to us Healthcare workers and the 'Dr want to keep patients sick'. As a doctor that statement has made me cry before knowing I put so much hours and work and effort and care so much about my patients to then turn that around somehow into me being evil I cannot even begin to describe how terrible of a feeling that is. It makes you feel so hopeless, like you're in a job where nothing you do will be seen as helpful somehow we are only cruel and greedy and working for big pharma and that sucks so bad. So bad.
That vid reminds me of the old xkcd - when someone says X thing kills cancer cells in a Petri dish, remember: so does a handgun. A mechanism alone does not a treatment make. You always have to study that treatment at the organism level.
Stuff like that Medical channel is bot made and liked and followed by bots. I just heard of the Dead Internet theory via a vid on Kyle Hill’s channel. It really made me re-evaluate what is going on with this type of bot/AI made content. I’d bet that might be why Hank’s like to view ratio is different. His is more organic.
It feels VERY botty....to have a million followers with only six million total channel likes is EXTREMELY sus. Still, TikTok showed me the video, so it's reaching some cancer patients...
To be fair, there have been far too many of these people putting out their dangerous ideas for far longer than there have been bots. We had to train the bots on something, after all. Like this is basically the same set of bad ideas that Steve Jobs picked up at that apple orchard commune in the 70s that directly led to his death from very treatable cancer.
as someone with fibromyalgia, i’ve had so many experiences like this. people recommending the most random AND ridiculously painful and uncomfortable and inconvenient “miracle cures” because they’re uncomfortable with the fact that i have an illness that causes me lots of pain but may never be cured can’t wait for someone to say “hey have you tried just not eating food? i bet it would help you feel better!!” oh my god and then the “if it’s that bad, why don’t you just try everything?” obviously it’s different since fibro isn’t terminal, but getting told that shit still feels *terrible*. fibro saps all your energy & upends your life, and THEN you’re expected to just keep sacrificing what’s left in the hope that some random idea from a book in a used bookstore will save you? and also it’s so frustrating to be blamed for not trying harder when the illness itself impacts your ability to try in the first place. like hey it’s actually 10 billion times harder to exercise and control your eating when you’re in constant pain, in case you were wondering!! diet and exercise is hard enough for everyone else, chronically ill people have it even worse but we’re expected to fix ourselves with the super limited resources we have.
I worked at a cancer clinic for just under two years, and I can’t say how much it means to hear someone, especially someone who’s gone through treatment, bring up the cruelty in the narrative that care teams don’t care about patients or are just in it for the money. I’ve heard people say that more often than one might expect, and I’ve even had patients say that to me. It hurt deeply. And I’m sure it hurt them too- imagine truly believing that the people you’ve entrusted your hope with don’t care if you live or die. I curse whoever put that idea in their head. Cancer care is a lifestyle. You face more challenges than you can count and you remember every single loving detail- patients’ names, their favorite snack, their hobbies, their dreams. I think about my former patients all the time. I kept everything any of them ever gave me, and I grieved every person I lost. It’s a weight- both positive, to know so many people so deeply, and negative, to lose too many of them- that I think the gravity of it is hard to imagine until it becomes the stuff of your life, until you see your friends and coworkers grappling with it every day. It is so not easy to go back to a cancer clinic every morning, and we do it because we care deeply about the people we treat. That is the only reason powerful enough. Something like greed could never endure this kind of work. Thanks for making this, Hank. And seriously, screw the supplement guy. People care about each other. I wish that no one ever has fear mongering and greed take that experience from them.
Thank you for what you do. The hospice workers when my uncle died of cancer were so amazing for the whole family, they made the awful terrible horrendous thing a little bit easier. And that makes such a difference.
My best mate is an oncologist - which was really helpful when I got diagnosed with breast cancer, and she’s being amazing as I navigate chemo and so forth. I asked her right at the start if going low carb would help. She said not to worry about it - that in theory it might have a very slight beneficial effect, so if it made me feel like I had a bit more control then sure, but they’re hard to stick to and I should NOT try it if I’m going to get angry at myself for falling off the bandwagon (because if there *is* an effect then it’s too small to see in the studies that have come out, so it’s definitely not worth stressing yourself out over it). As it turns out, when my throat got sore and I was puking up everything two of the foods that would stay down were eggs and cheese, so I went kinda low carb by accident anyway for the first couple of months. But it helped to know that it was a “likely no effect either way”, and to focus on getting exercise in as my method of staying in control of my life.
that sounds like a brilliantly compassionate person and im sure her friends and patients are happy to have her. All the best to you with your treatment, and I'm glad youve found exercise as a method of staying in control! Truly wish the best for you!
@@nj.7325 She really is. Everyone I've spoken to in the oncology area in our city knows her and respects her - and the respect is "she's one of the truly good human beings", which is absolutely true (been friends since we were pre-teens, which is nearly 30 years now )❤
"It’s almost like these professional medical websites don't want people to engage in misinformation and have done a lot of research into some of the best ways to make diseases survivable while also educating people in how their bodies work." Did I fix it?
*engage in harmful, misinformed self-medication outside of doctor recommendation. Don't make it about all spirituality, especially since mysticism is a very broad term applied to actual religions. I'm spiritual and practice mysticism. It doesn't mean I skip on my meds or use rocks to cure my autism.
@@StormyTalks Nothing in my comment was aimed at religion or beliefs of that sort, I appreciate you engaging with me and have corrected my phrasing but you have to read using context clues and I believe it is you who made it about religion. I apologize for any offense however. Have a nice day.
Im a wound care nurse and I love my patients and absolutely look forward to seeing some of my patients. That said, I get so excited to discharge them, because i know how having chronic non-healing wounds negatively impacts their lives. I get so sad when we have to send the patient to the ER or send them to a surgeon. My paycheck is not affected one way or another by my patients health outcomes, but my heart absolutely is.
Pertaining cancer yes, but prevention and nutrition, they have virtually no knowledge on. Doctors get less than 11 hours of training on nutrition in their entire 8+ years of schooling.
@@johnwayne8494 That's when you use the fact that you've been listening to them to figure out from what they've said/how they've acted if that's the case and ask for a second opinion/new doctor.
I think the issue gets sticky when you get into socioeconomic factors. Eg. There's a lot of systemic issues in OBGYN care and talking to other patients and advocates on how to avoid or handle well known issues that keep popping up is pretty invaluable. Like giving birth in supine positions (specifically the lithotomy position) has been shown through lots of studies to be pretty awful, and yet like 68% of births in a hospital occur in a supine position. Talking to people about strategies to avoid being pressured into birthing that way is incredibly helpful. Obstetric violence is also depressingly common and talking to other people about it is important on so many levels (processing what happened to you, raising awareness of the issue, prevention etc.)
Y'know what has been really unhelpful in my cancer journey? Eating _less._ If I can get food into me, it's generally ok if it's pasta. I need fuel to not be dead. 🤷
Thank you for doing what you’re doing with such humour, patience and generosity. Not just for sharing scientifically grounded information, encouraging critical thinking, and having such a blazing wit, but also being so open with your own experience. As someone who felt (and still feels) extraordinarily well cared for by a cancer team of skilled and empathetic professionals, I feel your recognition of health care workers’ dedication very deeply. Please know that what you’re doing matters, and I’m grateful you’re out there in Hanklandia, wearing spiffy socks.
Hank, i had a similar cancer ro you, and this stuff fires me up too. All of these arm chair physicians feel like they have all of the answers. It drives me nuts.
Registered nurse of 18 years here. I appreciate that you are responding to this kind of idiocy with good science, Hank. The internet is this growing black hole and some days I cannot conceive of washing the sand at its event horizon.
As a diabetic, I know a lot about glucose, and a no-carb diet would include removing veggies and fruits from your diet. A 100% 0 carb diet would probably kill you faster than most cancers would, especially if you were also going through Chemo at the time.
Ugh this message again. I've heard it over and over, from my own family as well. And my son fought cancer as a toddler. It's hard for people on the outside to understand what that is like. But I saw all his doctors and nurses fighting to keep him alive, and we won.
Hank, you say that “doctors try to keep us sick for money” doesn’t stand up to much scrutiny and that’s true, but that doesn’t stop people from believing it. My aunt believes it and almost died of breast cancer two years ago because she believed the doctors were only prescribing cancer treatments to keep her sick. We basically had to bully her into taking the treatment (the only time I think bullying has ever done a Good Thing). She lived but still, incredibly, believes these things about the healthcare system. It’s pretty depressing
Just point these people towards chronic pain sufferers. Pretty much all of us have had to deal with doctors _ignoring_ what’s wrong with us and just saying we’re fine. And people want us to believe doctors _want_ people to be sick lol
Thank you so so much for the point about healthcare providers. I’m a veterinarian and there are so many conspiracy theories that various recommendations are intended to hurt pets… in reality every vet I know goes to work every day trying to fix as many things as we possibly can. I promise we have enough patients to care for without intentionally creating/prolonging issues and I’m positive our human counterparts feel the same.
“Why wouldn’t you try everything” another thing I don’t hear people talk about often is quality of life vs rate of success of treatment. If a treatment might not work, and is commonly known to make your day to day life worse, some people don’t think that gamble is worth it. And there’s also the fact that in a lot of cases the disease has a chance of not killing you. Absolutely not saying to ignore treatment recommended by doctors, but it’s all stuff people with chronic illnesses, or many diseases and conditions in general, should weigh when deciding what treatment if any they want to pursue. No one bats an eye when the family dog gets put down after he got sick because the vet said treating his disease would make the rest of his life miserable, but swap the dog for a person and now mercy is painted as delusion or cruelty. (To be clear, obviously not promoting euthanizing the ill, but pointing out that quality of life is important!)
There were plenty of places in the 1920s that had a 100%success rate on curing cancer. The side effect was the patient was dead, but in the end the cancer was dead
Anyone trying to cast doubt on researchers and doctors regarding cancer instantly goes onto my list of irredemabley horrible people. Preying on people in the most vulnerable situation like that is just not right
Remember, in most countries healthcare is not for profit, and is instead the appositive a cost we happily pay with taxes and have instead banned price inflation, and we all agree on things like this. The medical community share information, scrutinize each others studies, and do studies and research all over the world, and consistently strive for and come up with things that try to cure the patient. Every now and then we even come up with actual cures for things that we previously couldn't, and those times are huge wins, which makes that research company, or hospital, or whathaveyou get lots of amazing cred and positive exposure. We do try to keep you well, get you well, and cure things. And remember, if a company managed to invent a cure for all cancers the owners of that company could quite quickly become some of the riches people on the planet just based on the for profit countries alone.
Exactly. I can’t tell you how many people have said to me that they think there’s already a cure for cancer and that “the man” is keeping it a secret because they make more money off of cancer treatments. If that was the case, they would just sell the cancer cure for multi million dollars to individual rich people that get it. But that doesn’t happen. They can still pass of it too.
"Why wouldn't someone who's dying try everything?" Setting aside that no one has the time for that, no one has the resources for that, and that some things are mutually exclusive - why would anyone assume that "everything" has a shot at working? This man absolutely suggested Ivermectin to someone.
It feels like there's a vacuum of good nutrition information online (partly because nutrition research is really hard to do) and that empty space is just constantly being filled with the most pseudo scientific nonsense you can find.
I agree and I think the lack of good research based nutrition info is compounded by the fact that so little of the research we DO have is trustworthy as so much of it is funded by various lobbies and special interests
@@alexanderreynolds6018 Nutrition research is incredibly difficult, but most of it is not funded by lobbies and special interests, because the profit margins on food are incredibly small and because of the difficulties in the research you almost never get a convincing result that a lobby/special interest likes that is actually publishable in an academic journal. The "research" cited in TV commercials for supplements or food or whatever is generally deliberately flawed in design to get the answer they want and should be treated as no more credible than the opinion of a salesman. But nutrition research in academic journals is generally just affected by the difficulties of such research itself: (1) people lie - even on anonymous surveys (2) detailed nutrition information is not readily a lot of "food" (3) supplements are poorly regulated and often don't actually contain what is on the bottle. (4) lots of people are trying to study the same things with insufficient numbers of samples so just by random chance you get tons of conflicting results.
Yes, you do need to be talking about this. We need to be clear that this is misinformation. Bringing attention to this, showing your process of fact-checking this misinformation, and explaining the emotional harm being done to patients, providers, and the public at large is very important work. We need to keep each other accountable and I thank you for helping us to do that.
Hank, thank you so much to debunking some of this huge misconceptions around cancer, in particular cancer and food. As a cancer biologist that is interested in sci comm, I think this is really REALLY important. I still want once day to write a 'explaining cancer biology to kids' book, maybe it should be 'explaining cancer biology to people as if they were kids'. Maybe some of these stupid myths would not spread.
My doc said to "eat what you can." I had two weeks I couldn't eat anything, except orange sherbet. I told him this. He said, "that's fine. Take a multivitamin, if you can." After two weeks I could eat ckn and brocolli and cheese. No harm done.
I appreciate your content so much, but this in particular. I have had this exact conversation with a friend who was influenced similarly after her gma passed from cancer, may she rest in peace. It's so important to have factual information available to debunk all of these crazy theories being spewed to market things.
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We don't want to keep people sick, we don't have room to treat everyone as it is, we don't have staff to treat the ones we take in and we don't have the energy to stay longer at work than we already are.
There’s also a point to be made that people with a serious illness are already suffering- and sometimes you can only bear so much. Eating a diet that is depressing to you just adds another layer of suffering
My mother was diagnosed with Acinic cell carcinoma back in December. The cancer was removed surgically and her prognosis is excellent. She has been doing all of these diets, from juicing, to vegan, to now this diet of minimum carbs bordering on none and spent thousands, maybe $10+ thousand in alternative treatments. I have had conversations about this that I didn't believe that this route was sound and worth the risks when shes already lost 20% of her body weight because of her trying alternative diets in an effort to avoid getting cancer again when shes hurting her long term health. The challenge is, balancing the harm a diet like this does and countering the misinformation without discouraging her in something that gives her perceived control over her health. I appreciate the video Hank and have followed your journey from the beginning and have nothing but respect for you spreading evidence based information on cancer. Unfortunately I am the only one in my family who puts stock in evidence based treatments. This video covered my exact situation combatting similar misinformation from "Integrative Oncologist" Edit Spelling
When my dad had stage 4 brain cancer his doctors asked him to try a keto diet to see if it would effect the growth in any way. I believe they found it didn't have any measurable change. One thing my dad did note was that keto was a very expensive and generally hard to manage diet especially when you are dealing with cancer. So yeah I wouldn't worry about that.
I am a newly graduated doctor who just started my first job in the pulmonology department in my country two months ago. Just two weeks ago, we admitted a patient with lung cancer who was to be treated with chemotherapy. Apparently, this patient initially refused chemo because they wanted to try a low-carb diet first! Now some months later they've gotten ill and returned to hospital, but they likely missed the window for treatment because their condition has worsened... It infuriates me so much to think that these videos are putting patients in danger. I almost teared up when you mentioned caregivers being distrusted, and taking the bad news home with them. I guess I'm doing exactly that now. I didn't expect that to be brought up. Of course the patients "duped" by these things are still the true victims, but I wanted to say thank you for recognizing the care team and our feelings as well.
Thanks for this video. My brother had colon cancer at 27, he'd just finished running a half marathon a few months before he got diagnosed and was in the best physical shape he'd ever been in and was eating really healthy. Turns out he has a rare genetic disorder (familial adenomatous polyposis) with zero family history of it, so his body just keeps growing polyps in his stomach, small intestine and his large intestine (when he still had that, he had to have his large intestine removed as part of his cancer treatment), and those polyps all have the potential to become cancerous (I know any cell has the potential, but polyps have a much higher rate I think... he has to have yearly scopes of his stomach and small intestine to monitor and remove polyps, and will have to have them at *least* yearly for the rest of his life). Good diet, exercise and generally just taking care of yourself of course help your outcomes, but so many people treat it as a fix for health issues, or a shield against them, when there are no guarantees. You can do everything "right" and still end up sick, that's just the reality.
People like this make me so mad because they:
- Guilt the victim
- Act like they magically know more than researchers
- Often give false information
- Are selling you something that will not help, or will help very little, or will actually harm you!
I always enjoy a breakdown like this Hank. You help keep me sane on this crazy internet.
Not to mention a low carb diet usually involves high meat high saturated fat which will increase your risk of other cancers and heart disease in the future. This overly simplistic mindset is anti-intellectualism is so frustrating
Even worse is calling themselves "USA Medical". Because putting "medical" in the name will absolutely convince some people that they have any medical experience at all and should be trusted about this.
@@jenm1 and further (having been on keto for neuro reasons), a super low carb diet is
-very difficult to maintain
-very difficult on your digestion
-prohibitively expensive
-is not a good idea for long term, and long term depends on the individual
-relies on a very careful balance that if you don't manage, will send you into ketoacidosis. which is bad.
and the holier than thou "why wouldn't you try everything?!" ... well because some things are not proven to work...
@@jenm1 yeah, I know people who do diets that focus mostly on meat intake. It's concerning.
he really said "even worse, when you research my question you find out I'm wrong! how do you explain that?"
I literally read this and laughed out loud 🤣
I think he did it to convince vulnerable people that the experts are wrong. I've already said there's a conspiracy! so don't be surprised when you look up what I said and they say I'm wrong! I'm actually not!
Just turns out he was exceptionally stupid at pulling this old trick.
"It's almost like I'm not the first person to ask this question and the science has already been settled!"
@@nj.7325and on top of that he is trying to say “the fact that research so quickly says that I am wrong proves that I am right, because they are so eagerly trying to dismiss it!”
Seeing as how he's using those videos to sell supplements, I'd say it's more that he's intentionally misleading his viewers rather than just being wrong. The guy gives off real conman vibes.
Cancer also needs a living host to survive. I think xkcd had a comic about this, where it said “the next time someone says something kills cancer cells in a Petri dish, just remember, so does a handgun.”
xkcd #1217, baby!
There really is an xkcd for everything
Yeah, but not as many as you think…
@@daanstrik4293 well xkcd has his own cancer story, he sure as hell did a lot of research.
I’ve seen very few but that one stays in my memory.
It’s such a short step from “eating the right way will cure your cancer” to “people with cancer deserve it because they’re not helping themselves”. This shit is terrifying.
yeah people with chronic illness/disability generally face more than enough of this attitude from people already, we don't need anymore 'help' from people like this
I hear so many people bash on Diabetics even type 1 diabetics who didn't ask for it.
@@Steph-zo5zkbUt DiD yOu TrY tO cHaNge YoUr MiNdSeT?
(Like sure yeah I’ll just tell my body to not do the thing it’s doing it’s not like I wish it just worked the right way!)
@@toidIllorTAmItoo many people just hear diabetes and think your fault bc it can be if it’s type 2 (not even always) but not type 1 at all!!
When people engage in that sort of victim blaming, it's because sub-consciously, they're trying to find the reasons why it would never happen to them. You got cancer because you didn't eat as well as me. You were hit by a car because you weren't paying attention. You were assaulted because you went places alone and didn't pay enough attention.
The reality is that there might be risk factors, but bad shit happens to good people all the time. I remember a commercial from the 90s warning about second hand smoke and lung cancer, where this older woman said "I couldn't believe it, I'd never smoked." It's the classic "this was your own fault" disease. But you can get lung cancer from literally just breathing.
Also, keep this in mind when people talk about how they prayed and God gave them a miracle that cured their disease. It implies that God cured theirs, but not everyone's... maybe because others didn't pray hard enough, huh?
**Person:** I cured cancer! Why didn’t doctors think of that?
**Doctors:** Actually we thought of that already, and it doesn’t work.
**Person:** The medical field is corrupt!
Every time I get a bacteria infection I just stop drinking and eating water. Because bacterias need water, so no water no bacterias. 🤦♂
As I said, diet does matter...and it would be great if we all were eating less sugar and particularly less processed refined added sugar! But cancer likes a lot of things that we can't change about our bodies...for example, that there is glucose in our blood.
No you don’t understand hank, his supplements will FIX that
not to mention how much bacteria is in water. cant believe people drink that stuff
@@cameronwise1083* un-glucoses your blood *
There's a common myth around nutrition circles to avoid methionine when one has cancer because cancer needs methionine. You know, the amino acid needed to build literally every protein including ones that make your cells function.
In regard to the “doctors and nurses want to keep patients sick” argument… my dad just had his bell ringing ceremony for finishing his chemo treatment for his third round of cancer, every single one of his nurses and a few of his doctors were there, in tears. So many healthcare workers care so much for their patients, it’s disturbing to me that someone would sow doubt about their intentions while then turning around and trying to sell a product. Thank you for refusing to let people with bad intentions put their garbage out there.
It's the same with the vilification of teachers.
I doubt most people can fully comprehend how incredibly disheartening it is to study your young adulthood away, now amassing crushing student loan debt that will divert your newbie income away from compounding interests opportunities and home ownership, studying for degrees that are consistently listed as top ten or fifteen most difficult to earn, working holidays and weekends away from your family, leaving your sick kids at home with expensive sick-care sitters so you can go care for sick strangers, 14 hours no meals (we’re exempt from federal protections on breaks), often no bathroom breaks (I’m on kidney stone #4), no water or drinks at the nurses station per regulations, increasing patient acuity (we’re keeping sicker people alive) and intruding technology ostensibly for “patient care” but actually for billing and CYA, rude entitled family members and abusive patients (70-80% of workplace violence is in healthcare), and “hero worship” when we’re being manipulated into working pandemics without PPE (twice now in my 40 years) but as soon as the manipulation is no longer advantageous charging us criminally for medication errors…
All that and then some snot-nosed incel wants to say I’m selfish and money-hungry?
Infuriating.
Yeah, it’s a really dark and ugly mentality.
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@@merkinidgit Jesus, it really is mind-numbing when you put it that way
@@merkinidgit my father is a doctor. I love the biological sciences and want to work in biomedical research, but I will not go into patient-facing healthcare under any circumstances. I've seen what it does to good people like my dad, and the poison in the industry.
Medical misinformation and selling expensive suppliments are like lightning and thunder.
And sometimes it's disinformation
@culwin You're right, more often than I'd like it is disinformation.
Well said 🌩
the first is the method the second is the goal.
it’s annoying/dangerous Tiktok promotes it.
If anything that’s the worst harm of that child-centric app.
I was prescribed a zero sugar/carb diet. I had esophageal cancer, which is a very particular cancer, and that was part of my treatment. Fairly minor aspect, but it was early stage and as I went through treatment I stayed on it. Afterwards my wife and I both kept on it, as we were also losing weight. Then my wife suddenly died of signet cell carcinoma. She was on the same diet the entire time as the cancer grew in her and mine died. I found mine early, she was stage four within six months of having it (as it is a very rare and viciously fast cancer).
Sorry, Hank - I unsubscribed when you announced you had cancer. I lost Sarah last year on Easter Sunday, and I couldn't follow your story while dealing with my grief. It's good to see you're still putting out good content, and absolutely wonderful to have you around to be doing so. You would have liked her, even if she quibbled about some of your presentations (she was a quantum chemist and taught at WKU). Probably because she quibbled: you both were passionate educators.
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Sending so so so much love and so many warm hugs to you, friend. Heartbreaking that your wife is no longer here. I do not know you, but you are so so loved.
That sounds terrible, dude... My condolences :(
Good to take care of yourself when going through such pain. May she rest in paradise!
Sorry to hear of your esophageal cancer, my friend passed away in April from that and stomach cancer as well. Very very vicious. And radiation didn't work for her. She was on FLOT treatment and it was killing her so she stopped. In her case the cancer just took over. Very sorry to hear about your wife and I hope you're feeling better. I've just joined Hank's channel. Good luck with your treatments 🙏🇨🇦
Man accuses medical staff of taking advantage of cancer patients while trying to take advantage of cancer patients.
"If I'm doing it, they must be as well!"
We call what he's suggesting "Starving"
I invite him to consider why we don't suggest starving cancer patients.
To be fair... it DID work for epilepsy patients.
Which we know because _it worked in clinical trials_ . It was tested. And it worked. If it worked for cancer patients, the doctors would be having their patients do it.
@@devilslamp7306 What type of epilepsy? Do you recommend starving cancer patients so they don't have the energy to stay alive?
i think it's more like keto, no carbs / glucose means the body uses fat for energy instead. which is not proven to help more than a healthy balanced diet.
@@Beans-nh6ro recheck the last sentence, i think you're on the same side of this discussion
@@devilslamp7306 though keto (which i have done for neuro reasons and found moderate success) is not zero carb. it's close, but if you get too close to zero carbs things get real bad real fast. keto is a delicate dance. and it's temporary and really kinda sucks, but that's beside the point.
My dad now needs a liver transplant after falling down the "alternative" medicine rabbit hole and spending 1000s of dollars on supplements and therapies. And he's convinced the only reason he's lived this long is *because* of that stuff. It's not possible for him to consider that he has declined to the point of needing a new liver because of chasing white rabbits instead of following the medical protocol for his condition. It's sad. These people are predators, full stop.
My mother had a clean colonoscopy in Dec 2020. By March 2021 she had a colon blocking tumor. She'd taken absolute handfuls of supplements daily since 2019. Despite me pleading with her not to and explaining that those pills could contain Anything, including lead. Surgery, Chemo, and radiation did not work and she passed Feb 2024. Now I make my doctor prescribe my vitamin D capsules because I won't buy OTC supplements.
@@sissinoklahoma2057 as someone who has prescribed vitamins, you might want to know that in many regions the prescription vitamins and the OTC vitamins are made in the same plants and/or by the same resellers, and that prescription status does not guarantee quality or purity like it should. I in particular had an issue with vitamin D prescribed to me because it contained lanolin, an unmarked ingredient, to which I am very allergic to, and it took expensive third party testing to prove that the prescribed vitamin D which didn't document that it was coming from sheep's lanolin is indeed being harvested from sheep's lanolin. I am now taking an expensive OTC brand that sells lichen-derived vitamin D because it doesn't literally poison me like the prescription one did.
@@sissinoklahoma2057i’m so sorry for your loss
I'm sorry to hear that ❤️
@@sissinoklahoma2057i really doubt that it is legal to put things like ingredients with high lead into supplements.
"What are they selling?" is the BEST lens through which to scrutinize this kind of content. I'm using it more often.
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Why did i read this in the spongebob voice....
THEY'RE SELLING CHAWKLITS
I've started commenting this on sleep training Instagram reels. They get pushed in the wee hours and moms are desperate. They're preying on desperate, zombie women who need support. I never word it like that of course, I'm polite about highlighting that they're making xyz inflammatory video to sell a course, but they never seem to like it all that much.
Yes, always always always ask, are they selling something.
I was accompanying a friend to her chemotherapy and was sitting in the waiting area. One of the reception ladies put the phone down and turned to the other ladies and said "we just got a new patient". Their reaction and her tone of voice was heartbreaking. She sounded so sad and they just basically sighed, but the atmosphere dropped immediately.
I can promise you if all their patients suddenly got cured and no one else came in for treatment they will absolutely not be upset to be out of a job.
Anyone who thinks that doctors are actively keeping patients sick must have their head examined 7:21
Yes, we'd all love to have to change specialties because oncology wouldn't have any more patients!! 🎉 That would be a dream!!❤ My heart breaks just a little bit every time one of my patients returns.
A lot of people don't know how to analyze incentive structures and come to really stupid conclusions like this. Like doctors don't actually make money off of keeping patients sick, because if their treatments never worked then no one would use their services, they thus make money off of curing patients or if that isn't possible at least treating the symptoms.
People are scared of the possibility that not every chronic illness can be cured, so they come up with ways to separate themselves from those who are ill. The same thing happens when people are mugged or in a crash. It is safer to blame the victim for supposedly doing the wrong thing, because then we can tell ourselves that we would not get ill/mugged/injured. This can be very lonely for people who are blamed by friends and family who have a desperate need to convince themselves that they are not vulnerable. Best wishes to you, Hank, and everyone else who is hurt or ill.
Insightful and unfortunately too true.
See also: grape deniers
I think the same mindset is part of vaccination denial. The parents feel better saying "little johnny has a strong immune system because I feed him organic goat milk so I don't need to worry" rather than saying, "the world is a dangerous place and the best thing I can do for him involves taking him to a doctor where he may be scared or in pain and go through this scary process of swabbing his arm and sticking a needle in."
Some of us didn't have much of a choice when it came to eating. I had throat cancer and due to the radiation and damage that would happen in my mouth and throat I had a feeding tube. The bottles of nutrition that I had to pour into that feeding tube was designed specifically for my situation. I am sure that a lot research had gone into it to nourish me in the best possible way. We have to kill the cancer, yes, but we want to keep the patient alive. I went from 180 lbs to 150 lbs, my doctors said I did good. Don't let BS like what that guy is selling stop you from listening to your doctors, they don't want to lose you.
of course, if you try to point that out, assholes like this will just pivot to "yeah, they wanna keep you alive enough to keep paying them, but sick enough that you have to keep paying them" and....man, its just so gross. makes me so mad.
Yes to all of this. I had a similar situation using a feeding tube during cancer treatment.
I'm a tongue cancer survivor. My feeding tube was placed while I was under for my initial cancer surgery. I was on liquid nutrition for nearly a year, from the initial recovery, through chemo and radiation, and revision surgeries. I also had to crush my meds to put them through my tube as well.
I saw a dietitian at least once a month for that entire year, and once weekly during the month and a half of radiation. And I can go back and see her whenever, if I think it would benefit me.
She monitored my weight, and increased the number of nutrition shakes when I was losing weight too quickly. She encouraged me to drink the nutrition shakes whenever I could tolerate it, drink as much water as I could tolerate, but if I couldn't tolerate it, to put them through my tube. She also encouraged me to supplement with broth, applesauce, mashed potatoes, yogurt, and whatever else I wanted to puree. During a few weeks of radiation, it hurt even to drink water, but that's what the feeding tube is for.
I had a huge team of medical professionals working to keep me as well as possible. My pain, setbacks, and other difficulties were met with empathy and compassion, and any and all good moments were celebrated with me. My cancer team did, and still does, want the best for me. They follow the research and their hard won experience to help me make the best choices for my well-being, while killing the cancer, reducing the chances of it returning, and now, managing my continued needs in my post-cancer care.
Not to be a downer, but I think it has a lot to do with your age and the type of cancer, as well as the quality of the medical staff and facilities. The younger you are, the more doctors will do to try and save you. I've had several older/elderly people in my family get mishandled by hospitals, and it gave me the strong feeling that at some point the doctors kind of wrote them off. Obviously it's conjecture, but you start to notice patterns. The older people in my family consistently have problems getting quality treatment. I don't want to vilify doctors and nurses, but I don't think we should idolize them either. I understand that they have to make hard choices, but it's hard to be sympathetic when you're on the losing end of the grim mathematics of medical care.
@@LivingNexusThey're treating by the most amount of lives, and the quality of those lives, to be saved.
Which means old people and hard to treat illnesses are quite low on the priority list since as we all know, the older you get, the more your body falls apart which leads to a worse quality of life and more medical complications than young people usually do.
There's also the moral aspect where younger people have more to live for rather than someone who has already experienced most of their life.
Am not saying this is how it should be but this is how it is, there simply isn't enough medical resources for everyone to get their needed share. All they can do is **try** to make the best of it, even if that possibly results in a worse outcome.
@@sillyking1991 right, so instead, pay me!
No glucose = no cancer but also = no human
I mean even then that's not always the case look at HeLa.
So, it's 100% effective then?🤣
@@logalexdavid So when are we going to change our genetic makeup and turn into HeLa cells with no rejection?
@@ChrisG404 depends on how you're defining success. i suspect mr tiktok would consider it a total success so long as you buy his supplements first.
@@logalexdavidvid described how the body will literally break down fast and muscle into glucose, it's not no carbs it's just your body degrading because of its lack of external carbs
I'm a nurse (not specifically in oncology, but these kinds of scammers go after every field of medicine) and you almost made me cry at the end there. Because, yeah, it does hurt when you hear people say things like that, but I also don't know if I'm "allowed" to be hurt by it because it's not *my* suffering or *my* emergency. Thanks for the acknowledgement, it means a lot coming from someone like you :)
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Respect and support from a random person in Australia. Thank you for the hard work you put in studying and working.
This internet rando gives you permission to be hurt, you may not be the one directly damaged but it does directly impact you since you are one of the people cleaning up the mess caused.
Best thing I heard was you never need to have a right to feel feelings, you just do! Just have to treat people well and acknowledge their rights too. (caveat for mean feelings: if you're feeling something unhealthy, processing that to get to healthy is the way
When my mom was going through cancer treatment (immunotherapy rather than chemo), I came up with the mantra, "Every calorie is a good calorie" in a meeting with her dietitian. We concluded there was no point in trying to get her to eat specific foods or nutrients when the problem was getting her to eat enough, period. More often than not, it was Mega-Stuf Oreos and chocolate-covered cordial cherries to the rescue. Anything she would eat with enthusiasm was top priority.
It’s like when people say “diseases can’t survive in a completely alkaline environment” yeah buddy, neither can you.
in vitro, guns kill cancer cells
Another thing about "why wouldn't people who are dying try everything" if someone is at the hospice stage, they deserve comfort and dignity and at a certain point extending life isnt what they want
Exactly. When there is no cure, there's no point in trying the treatments that just make you feel worse.
My uncle did this when he got cancer. He didn't go through all the potential treatments, he did things like marry his girlfriend and live his life as much as he could until the end.
i wish we had, as a family, internalized that idea when dealing with my grandfather's cancer :(
everyone somehow felt that 'the right thing to do' was help him fight as hard as possible in an unwinnable battle. the end result was that he spent his last days on earth in abject misery, thinning out and constantly sick and unable to do something as simple as enjoying a cigarette
it was not the right thing to do. it was horrific
@@ItWasSaucerShaped 🫂 I'm so sorry your family went through that. It's hard to know what the right decision is when dealing with death so I have nothing but empathy for people navigating it
Everyone dies. If you try to live forever, you will live a miserable life.
As an oncologist, thank you hank for spreading some actual information. Dealing with these grifters are painful…
And the plot thickens, because the immune cells in the tumor also need glucose to function inside the tumor, and they actually will compete for glucose in the tumor microenvironment. This helps explain why glucose restriction may be good for some types of cancers but not for others.
Interesting!
Keto has been used before with some promising results on some types of cancers. Of course, listen to your doctors, I'm not giving medical advice, just that combining diet with chemo treatment has shown an increased rate of recovery in some people:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6375425/
My brother has terminal Prostate Cancer. His Oncologist told him no Cherry Pepsi for several days before PET scans and one of his treatments. Bummer part, it’s his one comfort food😩
yes. tits is why it hasn't been proven consistently.
all cancers behave differently and some exist in high glucose available tissues
Saying the healthcare workers of any kind are "out to get you" has to be one of the most evil this someone is legally allowed to do
Thank you, as a nurse, for calling out the offensive notion that healthcare wants to keep people ill. We work hard to get people better. And yes, we have that wall, but I still cried for my terminal cancer patient who had a drawing from her 5 year old "come home soon mommy"
I cried when the wife of a man i cares for for months hugged me the night he died
I do not want people to get or keep cancer. Or any illness. It doesn't matter that its my job, it doesn't mean I wish it on them as part of a grand money-making conspiracy
I hate when people say “try everything!” to justify their stupid ideas. If this guy had cancer, would he try wearing green socks? Sleeping with his head in a fishbowl? Shoving a cactus up his arse? Why not, those are “things”? Oh, because they’re obviously not going to help. Well it’s the same with dudebro and mums’ bible group ideas, it’s just most people don’t have the medical knowledge to know why. Which is why we pay doctors who do have that knowledge
We should probably test that cactus thing on "health" influencers like that though, you never know
"Speeping with your head in a fish bowl"!! That is GOLD! I'm saving that in my quick retorts file 😂❤
It's like Pascal's Wager but for cancer treatment instead of religion. Just like you can't be all of the religions at once, you can't try all of the bullshit at once.
Just to get pedantic, we pay doctors who are licensed to apply reliable knowledge and proscribe approved treatments. All doctors don't know all of medicine.
I heard if you wear blue socks while bathing in full moonlight in the middle of lake Superior during the month of February while listening to AC/DC in the year 1276 it will cure you of all aliments and grant immortality until the band AC/DC is formed. I mean how can we know if no one has tried it?
My dad passed away from terminal cancer a while ago. He chose to undertake a crazy diet, low carb and low sugar as he believed eating those fuelled the cancer.
He wasn’t a stupid man instead he was fuelled by the fear of death and I wish people stopped creating more fear by suggesting people with cancer aren’t doing enough to help themselves.
Medical cancer treatments like chemo and radiation are gruelling as it is, they are designed to kill parts of your body. Let people who are sick be sick, and let those people eat their sugary snacks!
Edit: this just hit a nerve ahaha
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So sorry to hear about your dad. It is possible that his super low-carb diet did help a little bit. It's possible that it didn't. But a lot of people want to do a thing that gives them some sense of control, which I think is absolutely fine, as long as we don't think it will be some kind of miracle.
@@hankschannel oh I completely agree, I think it gave him the control he needed in a situation where he felt powerless. He knew it wasn’t a cure but I believe he was willing to try anything, which is why I feel it is better for other people not to impose their opinions on people going through such turbulent change. I was very young at the time and he just wanted to have more time to see my and my siblings grow, which I think is very understandable. I won’t ever judge him for his diet no matter how strange it seems to me because his choice was fuelled with such complex emotions that I will not understand without his lived experience.
My brother was in a study at Johns Hopkins on the effect of the pure keto diet on brain cancer, so some people are researching it. In the end, my brother didn't survive, but that doesn't mean the diet had no effect. I don't know if the study ever had results, or if it's even completed yet.
My grandma's best friend died of terminal cancer and the only thing that she could stomach in those last few months were sticky buns. If it's a sticky bun or starve, choose the bun.
The moment he said "cancer needs glucose" my brain immediately said "oh God, he's going to suggest a no carb diet, and he's completely missing the point because the body will literally convert any fuel into glucose, and even if that wasn't true you need glucose for the rest of your body too-"
When people try to sell health and wellness but clearly don't understand anything about the biology involved, they are charlatans and absolutely do not have your best interest in mind.
Good job, you already understand the situation XD
Unlike the guy in the tiktok
I think some people mistakenly believe that fructose isn't a type of sugar because it also gets called a ketose but that just refers to it having a ketone group. It seems like a lot of people don't actually know what a ketone is, a ketone is just an oxygen that is double bonded to a carbon molecule that is within a larger carbon molecule. It isn't really magic and you find them all the time in organic chemistry.
My husband just spent a month in a comprehensive cancer center battling leukemia and the entire time he was there we •both• felt surrounded by love and compassion and a drive to get him better. The nurses, doctors, techs, and even the facilities staffing, all were rooting for him and doing anything they could to ease his pain, make sure he had what he needed, made sure •I• was OK, etc. and definitely wanted him to get healthy enough to discharge, which he did on July 15th. We still have a long road ahead of us for his recovery, but to sit there and say the medical personnel want to keep people sick is beyond reproach and not even for a millisecond did either of us feel that way during his time there. Grifters gonna grift, I suppose. Thank you for this video and calling out this type of bullshit.
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As an ex Oncology nurse, with my patients I celebrated the remissions, & comforted them when all existing treatments failed. Thank you for clearing up some of the disinformation out there.
Hank Green: “You can’t try everything”
Also Hank Green: Try’s literally every career from sock salesman to standup comic and is somehow good at it
To be fair Hank hasn't tried medieval jousting yet, so he's missing at least one thing from trying everything
Maybe that one hit a little close to home...
You can't try everything, but you can often try a surprising variety of things.
@@char1194 That we know of....
Nobody’s good at everything, but everybody’s good at something. What’s your thing?
Thanks for the flashback from this comment Concerned Children’s Advertisers Canada
“Cancer can’t survive without oxygen. So why don’t people with cancer just STOP BREATHING?!?!”
“Radiation kills cancer. Why don’t we just walk into the middle of a nuclear reactor?” The Internet is the best and the worst thing to ever happen to peoples intelligence.
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Actually many cancer cells like low oxygen environments so the thing they suggest is to go ultra-oxygenate the body but, again, oxygen concentrations in the blood are controlled by the body very tightly and cancers are packed tight and so this doesn't really affect them. The weirdest is people who are like "cancers love acidic bodies so eat basic foods" like the basic foods aren't headed straight into a vat of acid in your stomach!!
Sometimes they do. That's what happened when my dad had cancer. 0/10, do not recommend 😂
Because humans need oxygen to live. They don't need carbs.
There's a reason this person's strategy is faulting, but it's not the one you're thinking.
I don't have cancer, but as a chronically ill person this type of people drive me insane! You always have random people coming out of the woodworks and being like "you should try "random pseudosciency treatment!", "You have nothing to loose" or " it can't hurt!"
It totally can hurt! I have a limited amount of energy so I cannot be trying all this things, most of them expensive, not to talk about the emotional toll it takes!
I hate people that exploits vulnerable and desperate sick people for their own agenda, even if they really believe it or if it worked for them there is no guarantee it will work for me every body is different and reacts differently, so I'd rather trust my medical team.
Thank you for making this video ❤
I also have a chronic condition and the stupid and horrible things that even your own family will say to you is mind boggling.
It’s like, you don’t think that if there was a cure I would be doing that and not just trying to manage this the best I can?
There's always at least one person that says "you need to go raw vegan" even if you physically can't 🥲
Yes! I think the worst one may be when “you just need to exercise more” like thanks never thought of that…also I have exercise intolerance and too much exercise is harmful.
5:13 EXACTLY! IF YOU'RE DYING, TAKE ALL THE DRUGS BLINDLY. I MEAN ONE OF EM'S GOTTA WORK!!
There's something that i always do whenever i have this kind of "not sufficiently educated epiphany" which that i go to google and just ask if anyone ever actually try it (cause you know most ideas are not original anymore unless you make a significant breakthrough) and almost every time i will find how disastrous my idea was and proceed to learn about it more.
A lot of people seems to just be too confident in their logical capacity that they don't even seek much of a confirmation/testing/real case scenario and just blindly believe what they want to believe.
the way he just propose "why don't these desperate people try everything they can?" just reeks ignorance, as the video says, you can't try everything and can only try one thing at a time. trying these methods takes time, time that is very limited which further caps how many random things you can try. in this case we have tried a lot of things (which sacrificed a lot of people's life) that we know that no carb diet isn't a solution to this problem.
I reaaaally feel like the guy just think of himself as the socrates of the modern day that everything he ponders is somehow a new-never before seen idea that is this silver bullet that noone ever thought of
That's a good idea, searching for "has anyone tried this before" when you have a thought
It's also a lot of fun when you do find someone who tried it and then you get to see how it turned out. It's really satisfying to find that kind of answer even if it turned out that your idea was catastrophically dumb because sometimes that at least creates a spectacle.
@hedgehog3180 it is a lot of fun because you get the thrill and satisfaction of finding out what your idea entails and resulted without all the effort, tension, and disappointment. It's extra fun whenever you find out that the other person has only tested it recently and still active so you can talk about it with them or other people who had the same idea and discuss.
I remember experiencing this when i first found out about "Cody's lab" while pondering about the idea of having a hydroponic farm that get a majority of it's fertilizer from a fishtank waste and he genuinely made that thing and found out that it's finicky
Dangers of scientific illiteracy, poor healthcare systems, and people with self-serving agendas fueling further distrust in healthcare professionals
And not limited to just healthcare. Pretty much every field you can think of has these same people. And there are millions of them. And thanks to the internet, they are well-united.
@@culwin We must unite well too, then. I think listening to science and educators like here it's a good start. (:
to be fair, healthcare professionals also do a very good job at furthering distrust against healthcare professionals.
Mistrust in healthcare professionals often begins with providers who are overworked and don't get enough time with their patients, but spend almost as much time fighting insurance companies, and therefore cannot provide the care patients deserve. Not only that, but there are providers who should frankly not be practicing due to their horrible bedside manner and quality of care.
Coupled with what you listed, and poor FDA regulation of supplements and alternative treatments, it's a perfect storm. There are so many supplements on the market that I feel like we've created a monster - if they or most of them disappeared overnight the economy would suffer for it at this point. :(
@@DumplingDoodle Not really.
“Whats he selling?! Supplements?! Supplements!!”
Now what is HE selling? IT'S SOCKS!!!! 🧦
(But, like, ones that are awesome and that work and aren't being sold with a potentially damaging message.)
It's always supplements isn't it
Big Supplement.
@@henry-lv69 Selling supplements is LIKE selling medicine, just with zero regulation or proof that it has any effect at all. Can't imagine why scammers would swarm all over it.
From my experience in both research and medicine; the dog whistle I think this person is blowing is not that we want patients to die. It is that we want them to use treatments we “profit” from and can keep them dependent on. I’m in a country with extensive public healthcare. We definitely don’t profit and have more patients than we can handle already. It is another symptom of the distrust in experts and science. I appreciate science educators like you that try and push back against this view.
This exactly! He’s implying that, by “omitting” the ~curative power of a no-carb diet~ from the literature, Big Doctor is trying to keep you sick and at a higher risk of cancer so you will need to continue giving them money for treatment.
To me this feels like a young man who's never had to watch someone they're close to go through cancer treatment. He hasn't met the doctors, he hasn't suffered the endless hours waiting for test results, he hasn't held hands or sat by a loved one's bed-side, he hasn't had to give or receive bad news, he hasn't had to plan for the worst, and hope for the best, and then hope for the next best, and then just hope it won't be as bad as it could be. I'm glad you got angry, Hank, I got very angry. But most of all I'm so glad that you are here to give us the truth. Instead of half-assed google searches and probably-not-great-for-you supplements.
I have stage 4 cancer. Once I was diagnosed, I could not believe all of the helpful, "You should try X! I heard it's good at fighting cancer!" Also, "Are you sure your doctor knows what they're doing?" type of comments. "Your oncologist said you should do this, but maybe if you change this and add that..." 🤦♂ NO! I'm going to trust the man that spent 12 years in primary school followed by at least 10 years in higher education, of which no less than 2 years was working in his field at what could best be described as slave wages, in order to treat people with my condition. Thank you, but leave me alone!
Respect and wishes from Australia. And I know that does not help much. but someone needs to counteract the bs
@@wombat.6652 Thank you!
Don't have cancer, but I will say this applies to a shocking amount of disabilities and health conditions. Everyone has unsolicited (almost always unfounded) advice and if it's not diet or exercise or oils or herbs, they resort to crystals or "Don't claim it and God will take it away." Or whatever else. It's exhausting. And oftentimes, even when you try and politely educate someone or turn them down they don't want to hear it. They just deflect "oh, that's just what I heard, I figured I'd suggest it, but I really don't know..." Or get defensive "I was only trying to help, if you didn't want to hear it, you could've just said so!" You almost never get an honest apology or someone willing to listen to what you have to say.
I would have the hardest time being respectful to people in the face of that crap.
@@ThirdLawPair I know they mean well.
I have come to the conclusion that when people that have never had cancer talk about cancer, what they are really talking about is their fear. They couch it in the terms of being helpful or encouraging, but they are mostly just vocalizing their fears at you. I lost a kidney to renal cell carcinoma in 2020 (clear margins), and it just amazed me how many people needed to tell me that I could live a full and satisfying life with only one kidney. It was all they had, they felt a need to give it to me, and I always tried to accept it in the spirit in which it was offered, but it gets tiring.
My son lost his kidney at 4 years old to Wilms Tumor Stage 3 🎉 that is exactly what they were telling us.. so I'm guessing it's OK with CERTAIN cancers?
It reminds me of a common thing with chronic illnesses. People give unsolicited health advice a lot, and I (alongside many other ill people before me) tend to interpret that as a belief that if they do *everything* right, they won't get health issues, and that health issues are a problem of will, not of luck. It's helpful for me to tolerate unsolicited advice when I learned that perspective, but it is depressing.
What does clear margins mean?
@@buffienguyen This happens a LOT with chronic mental illness too it's at the very least disheartening and at the very worst genuinely problematic in terms of the health of society as a whole
@@Shinigami13133 clear margins is the term they use when surgery is conducted to remove a tumour or tumours and they cut a few mm/cm more than the detected cancerous area. They test the margins of the cut or that extra portion and see if it contains any cancer cells. If all the margins come back negative for cancer that is considered "clear margins" and that the tumour has been succesfully removed and you will not require further surgery. Note that doesn't mean you won't need further treatment such as chemo or radiation. I had clear margins, but I still had to ensure no silly little cancer cells were still somewhere in there chilling around so still did treatment.
7:47 This so much! Even in the lab where we rarely actually meet our patients - we remember the names and we see the lab results, and we celebrate when patients get better and we worry and mourn when patients decline.
Home healthcare worker here and one of my very stable patients passed away suddenly on Thursday, and last week my sons 31 yr old drum teacher passed away due to complications from cancer. I just have to say THANK YOU HANK!!! I didn’t take on this career to harm people. ❤
As a cancer patient I can tell you sometimes eating is near impossible anyways so what I was told to eat whatever I can get in me, ofc with tips on nutrient denser easy stuff. The first thing I was told when I got my diagnosis was not loosing weight. I was overweight at the time and it was still the important part. See the thing is when you starve ur losing muscle weight more than fat and losing muscle makes you weaker for obvious reasons. I've lost ton of weight anyway and the day I weighted the same as the week before instead of lower was such a celebration. I'm not the kind of person these ppl pray on since I trust my medical experts.
As a cancer patient, THANK YOU. I'm so sick of this myth. You said you shouldn't get mad, but I disagree. Our anger is valid. Misinformation like this costs lives.
This reminds me of a woman I met who claimed to have a zero blood glucose.
I told her that wasn't so or she would be dead.
She said she'd done her own research.
I told her that her research was wrong.
She demanded to know what gave me the right to critisize her.
so, I listed off the degrees including the unfinished PhD.
Suddenly, I was her go to for science and health.
Sounds like you saved her life bro
It's actually pretty amazing and great that she was like "You have more information about this than I do? Fantastic! Please share your information." If we were all willing to listen to people who were legitimately able to prove us wrong, I think we'd all be far better off. Good job sharing info in a way that was clearly impactful!!🎉
ugh all of these people that 'do their own research'
my do to response is now 'oh really? can you send me a copy of your peer reviewed publication on the topic?'
Kudos to her for being willing to change her mind though.
@@rachaelnugent one of these days they will be sending you an image if their malfunctioning brain
Since I've been diagnosed, I've been given a lot of unsolicited advice like this. And I gotta say, it's been really easy to tell who has actually spoken to or worked with cancer patients/survivors and who hasn't.
If this guy actually just had a conversation with me or another cancer patient, we could tell you what it's like to fight for survival. What it's like during chemo and how you literally can't eat anything because it all tastes like garbage, so a low carb diet is easy to achieve and is unintentionally done anyways by many of us. Because as much as I would love some chocolate cake, it tastes like I'm licking a sewer drain.
But I also think its a lot easier to blame us for our diagnosis. I think it makes people like him feel safe. I know the thought process is "well I know I'm never gonna get cancer, I'm healthy, and even if I did get it I would XYZ and survive."
Because if I told him that many vegans, and people who did triathlons as a hobby, and people who are on low carb diets get cancer all the time, then thats scary. That means anyone could get it. And thats not a reality people like him want to live in.
They want to believe that their loved ones and them are immune. And I get that. But telling vulnerable people to stop eating ice cream and to buy your supplements is honestly evil. And he deserves all the backlash he is getting.
In a weird way I got lucky with getting my leukemia diagnosis in the middle of COVID so I literally couldn't talk to anyone but close family and a few friends and my medical people. I still see bullshit like when I try to google it but at least I don't have the usual gaggle of folks butting in.
People are SO SCARED of getting sick and disabled and it fuels a lot of bigotry tbh. Thank you for pointing it out
Honestly though, after chemo I'm lucky enough to be able to eat whatever food I manage. Fuck trying to stick to some crazy diet while feeling like that 🤮
All of this. It's complex and messy and scary but what he's doing is making it worse.
Everyone is healthy until they’re not. Anyone can get sick too and sometimes there’s nothing you can do to control that.
In our uni oncology class the prof referenced this funny comic that says something like "guns kill cancer" (stick figure shooting at a petri dish) and basically explained that "anything can kill cancer, but most of anything will kill the patient too"
as someone books appointments for patients with cancer I extremely appreciate what you had to say. You definitely do take your work home with you when people's lives are at stake and I would never want to do anything to make someone worse.
I overheard a guy in my gym locker room saying doctors want patients to be sick because it makes them more money. That somehow their pay is tied to the more things they find wrong with their patients. It made me so angry. I am glad Hank is here to push back against misinfo like that nonsense in a passionate yet well reasoned manner.
Yea it blows my mind how these people think the medical establishment works. Could and should healthcare be cheaper? Absolutely! Are hospitals and the way they are run part of the problem! Definitely! However, doctors definitively DO NOT get paid more if their patients are sicker. In fact, you could argue the opposite, as being promoted and receiving greater clinical responsibility in the clinic is often directly tied to the outcomes of your patient panel.
Similarly, I felt like doctors wanted me to be crazy and die when I was trying to get disgnosed for a very managable digestive condition that had scary symptoms.
But, when I read the research (literature reviews usually), talked about it with my science-minded friends, etc I realized that it was kust those thre doctors (who were all older and at least low key toxic) who wrte setting up an adversarial relationship with me.
I was able to get my head straight through following a bunch of doctors on twitter and blocking the ones who made me feel unsafe and focusing on the ones who talked about designing the care for the patient.
Doctors, no. Hospitals though... it's less clear cut.
Doctors get paid with a salary, and they want fewer sick patients because it makes their job easier! Why do people not get that!?
If doctors got paid the more they treated patients, then we wouldn't have just basically cured sickle cell anemia! (It's a wicked expensive gene therapy, but it actually works. They don't call it a cure, but it's a one-time treatment that stops sickle cell disease from being a problem, so it's basically a cure.)
They don't need to keep people sick to make more money. They just have the power to charge exorbitant sums when people inevitably get sick.
Earlier this year my little brother passed from complications with his heart. That's a pain that I can't even describe. And the worst part is I saw that pain mirrored in the staff that helped take care of him and try to save his life. Despite the freak incident, they still obviously blamed themselves. To say that any medical professional does not want to do the absolute most to take care of someone is unforgivable. There are very few people that I believe should be de-platformed but anyone that says something like that I can't forgive it.
Lol, nothing like a Hank rant. Never change.
It’s my favorite thing
I never could understand the weird adversarial stance that some people take with their care team. They're *literally* trying to save your life. That's the whole reason you're there, and the whole reason *they're* there. I know fear makes people act strangely sometimes, but when I was in treatment for my cancer, I just felt so damn thankful that there were people willing and able to save me, even if I had to wait a long time for blood-work, or go through painful/uncomfortable tests and treatments etc, etc.
Asking questions and doing your own research is all well and good, but in the end, you're there because they're medical professionals, who's job it is at the moment to keep your cancer from killing you.
Thank you so much Hank for your defense and empathy to us Healthcare workers and the 'Dr want to keep patients sick'. As a doctor that statement has made me cry before knowing I put so much hours and work and effort and care so much about my patients to then turn that around somehow into me being evil I cannot even begin to describe how terrible of a feeling that is. It makes you feel so hopeless, like you're in a job where nothing you do will be seen as helpful somehow we are only cruel and greedy and working for big pharma and that sucks so bad. So bad.
'when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others.The same applies when you are stupid.' Ricky Gervais
That vid reminds me of the old xkcd - when someone says X thing kills cancer cells in a Petri dish, remember: so does a handgun.
A mechanism alone does not a treatment make. You always have to study that treatment at the organism level.
Stuff like that Medical channel is bot made and liked and followed by bots. I just heard of the Dead Internet theory via a vid on Kyle Hill’s channel. It really made me re-evaluate what is going on with this type of bot/AI made content. I’d bet that might be why Hank’s like to view ratio is different. His is more organic.
It feels VERY botty....to have a million followers with only six million total channel likes is EXTREMELY sus. Still, TikTok showed me the video, so it's reaching some cancer patients...
I love Kyle Hill!
To be fair, there have been far too many of these people putting out their dangerous ideas for far longer than there have been bots. We had to train the bots on something, after all. Like this is basically the same set of bad ideas that Steve Jobs picked up at that apple orchard commune in the 70s that directly led to his death from very treatable cancer.
Whaaaat??? Communist China would lie to you? Who would've thunk it?
@@hankschannel Which, imo, makes it all fucking WORSE. It means this slop is getting sent to people that are ,quite likely, desperate.
as someone with fibromyalgia, i’ve had so many experiences like this. people recommending the most random AND ridiculously painful and uncomfortable and inconvenient “miracle cures” because they’re uncomfortable with the fact that i have an illness that causes me lots of pain but may never be cured
can’t wait for someone to say “hey have you tried just not eating food? i bet it would help you feel better!!”
oh my god and then the “if it’s that bad, why don’t you just try everything?” obviously it’s different since fibro isn’t terminal, but getting told that shit still feels *terrible*. fibro saps all your energy & upends your life, and THEN you’re expected to just keep sacrificing what’s left in the hope that some random idea from a book in a used bookstore will save you? and also it’s so frustrating to be blamed for not trying harder when the illness itself impacts your ability to try in the first place. like hey it’s actually 10 billion times harder to exercise and control your eating when you’re in constant pain, in case you were wondering!! diet and exercise is hard enough for everyone else, chronically ill people have it even worse but we’re expected to fix ourselves with the super limited resources we have.
Read this quote somewhere, seems to apply: for every complicated problem there's a simple solution, the only drawback to which is that it's wrong.
I worked at a cancer clinic for just under two years, and I can’t say how much it means to hear someone, especially someone who’s gone through treatment, bring up the cruelty in the narrative that care teams don’t care about patients or are just in it for the money. I’ve heard people say that more often than one might expect, and I’ve even had patients say that to me. It hurt deeply. And I’m sure it hurt them too- imagine truly believing that the people you’ve entrusted your hope with don’t care if you live or die. I curse whoever put that idea in their head.
Cancer care is a lifestyle. You face more challenges than you can count and you remember every single loving detail- patients’ names, their favorite snack, their hobbies, their dreams. I think about my former patients all the time. I kept everything any of them ever gave me, and I grieved every person I lost. It’s a weight- both positive, to know so many people so deeply, and negative, to lose too many of them- that I think the gravity of it is hard to imagine until it becomes the stuff of your life, until you see your friends and coworkers grappling with it every day.
It is so not easy to go back to a cancer clinic every morning, and we do it because we care deeply about the people we treat. That is the only reason powerful enough. Something like greed could never endure this kind of work.
Thanks for making this, Hank. And seriously, screw the supplement guy. People care about each other. I wish that no one ever has fear mongering and greed take that experience from them.
Thank you for what you do. The hospice workers when my uncle died of cancer were so amazing for the whole family, they made the awful terrible horrendous thing a little bit easier. And that makes such a difference.
My best mate is an oncologist - which was really helpful when I got diagnosed with breast cancer, and she’s being amazing as I navigate chemo and so forth.
I asked her right at the start if going low carb would help. She said not to worry about it - that in theory it might have a very slight beneficial effect, so if it made me feel like I had a bit more control then sure, but they’re hard to stick to and I should NOT try it if I’m going to get angry at myself for falling off the bandwagon (because if there *is* an effect then it’s too small to see in the studies that have come out, so it’s definitely not worth stressing yourself out over it).
As it turns out, when my throat got sore and I was puking up everything two of the foods that would stay down were eggs and cheese, so I went kinda low carb by accident anyway for the first couple of months. But it helped to know that it was a “likely no effect either way”, and to focus on getting exercise in as my method of staying in control of my life.
that sounds like a brilliantly compassionate person and im sure her friends and patients are happy to have her. All the best to you with your treatment, and I'm glad youve found exercise as a method of staying in control! Truly wish the best for you!
@@nj.7325 She really is. Everyone I've spoken to in the oncology area in our city knows her and respects her - and the respect is "she's one of the truly good human beings", which is absolutely true (been friends since we were pre-teens, which is nearly 30 years now )❤
"It’s almost like these professional medical websites don't want people to engage in misinformation and have done a lot of research into some of the best ways to make diseases survivable while also educating people in how their bodies work." Did I fix it?
*engage in harmful, misinformed self-medication outside of doctor recommendation.
Don't make it about all spirituality, especially since mysticism is a very broad term applied to actual religions. I'm spiritual and practice mysticism. It doesn't mean I skip on my meds or use rocks to cure my autism.
@@StormyTalks Nothing in my comment was aimed at religion or beliefs of that sort, I appreciate you engaging with me and have corrected my phrasing but you have to read using context clues and I believe it is you who made it about religion. I apologize for any offense however. Have a nice day.
Im a wound care nurse and I love my patients and absolutely look forward to seeing some of my patients. That said, I get so excited to discharge them, because i know how having chronic non-healing wounds negatively impacts their lives. I get so sad when we have to send the patient to the ER or send them to a surgeon. My paycheck is not affected one way or another by my patients health outcomes, but my heart absolutely is.
this is a good example to why public dislike counts are so important to have on social media
I love the irony of selling something at the end but also recognize the VAST difference between what each of you is selling.
When it comes to health, my rule of thumb:
Talk to a doctor, in person, with your mouth.
Listen to their words, not anyone on the internet.
There are 100% cases where doctors don't care or their ego does not allow them to take a patients concerns seriously.
Pertaining cancer yes, but prevention and nutrition, they have virtually no knowledge on. Doctors get less than 11 hours of training on nutrition in their entire 8+ years of schooling.
@@johnwayne8494 That's when you use the fact that you've been listening to them to figure out from what they've said/how they've acted if that's the case and ask for a second opinion/new doctor.
That second step is hard for plenty of people, who do most speaking out of their ass
I think the issue gets sticky when you get into socioeconomic factors.
Eg. There's a lot of systemic issues in OBGYN care and talking to other patients and advocates on how to avoid or handle well known issues that keep popping up is pretty invaluable.
Like giving birth in supine positions (specifically the lithotomy position) has been shown through lots of studies to be pretty awful, and yet like 68% of births in a hospital occur in a supine position. Talking to people about strategies to avoid being pressured into birthing that way is incredibly helpful.
Obstetric violence is also depressingly common and talking to other people about it is important on so many levels (processing what happened to you, raising awareness of the issue, prevention etc.)
Get pissed Hank, we are here to learn. And yeah, that sentence was horrible.
Y'know what has been really unhelpful in my cancer journey? Eating _less._ If I can get food into me, it's generally ok if it's pasta. I need fuel to not be dead. 🤷
Thank you for doing what you’re doing with such humour, patience and generosity. Not just for sharing scientifically grounded information, encouraging critical thinking, and having such a blazing wit, but also being so open with your own experience. As someone who felt (and still feels) extraordinarily well cared for by a cancer team of skilled and empathetic professionals, I feel your recognition of health care workers’ dedication very deeply. Please know that what you’re doing matters, and I’m grateful you’re out there in Hanklandia, wearing spiffy socks.
"Cancer cells need food so why don't cancer patients stop eating food?"
yes. you can do that.
you only need to eat (a large amount of) food every few days
Hank, i had a similar cancer ro you, and this stuff fires me up too. All of these arm chair physicians feel like they have all of the answers. It drives me nuts.
So glad you beat it!
Hank Green: Master Debunker
Googledebunkers!
@@benmccrobie9272 i was gonna say that 😂
If you know, you know
We saw Hank Green go absolutely googledebunkers on a man today
@@benmccrobie9272 Haaaaa! I knew there'd be some people of culture in here. 😉
Lmao!
Registered nurse of 18 years here. I appreciate that you are responding to this kind of idiocy with good science, Hank. The internet is this growing black hole and some days I cannot conceive of washing the sand at its event horizon.
As a diabetic, I know a lot about glucose, and a no-carb diet would include removing veggies and fruits from your diet. A 100% 0 carb diet would probably kill you faster than most cancers would, especially if you were also going through Chemo at the time.
Its supplements... its always supplements
To be fair, sometimes it's expensive water.
And alkalizing foods and water…..because cancer loves an acidic environment.
Ugh this message again. I've heard it over and over, from my own family as well. And my son fought cancer as a toddler. It's hard for people on the outside to understand what that is like. But I saw all his doctors and nurses fighting to keep him alive, and we won.
Hank, you say that “doctors try to keep us sick for money” doesn’t stand up to much scrutiny and that’s true, but that doesn’t stop people from believing it. My aunt believes it and almost died of breast cancer two years ago because she believed the doctors were only prescribing cancer treatments to keep her sick. We basically had to bully her into taking the treatment (the only time I think bullying has ever done a Good Thing). She lived but still, incredibly, believes these things about the healthcare system. It’s pretty depressing
Just point these people towards chronic pain sufferers. Pretty much all of us have had to deal with doctors _ignoring_ what’s wrong with us and just saying we’re fine. And people want us to believe doctors _want_ people to be sick lol
Thank you so so much for the point about healthcare providers. I’m a veterinarian and there are so many conspiracy theories that various recommendations are intended to hurt pets… in reality every vet I know goes to work every day trying to fix as many things as we possibly can. I promise we have enough patients to care for without intentionally creating/prolonging issues and I’m positive our human counterparts feel the same.
I once saw an immigration attorney's pamphlet that said, "The wrong help can hurt." I think about that a lot.
Tiktokkers: Why are some things true when I think they shouldn't be?
Hank: First of all how dare you
You mean.
How dare you grift to sick people.
How dare you not do research and talk to experts.
How dare you be intellectually dishonest.
This guy is peddling anti science, he’s not just being curious
@@osonhouston yes to all of this but it's less pithy and morer words
you have a right to be pissed off, Hank. Keep it coming.
“Why wouldn’t you try everything” another thing I don’t hear people talk about often is quality of life vs rate of success of treatment. If a treatment might not work, and is commonly known to make your day to day life worse, some people don’t think that gamble is worth it. And there’s also the fact that in a lot of cases the disease has a chance of not killing you. Absolutely not saying to ignore treatment recommended by doctors, but it’s all stuff people with chronic illnesses, or many diseases and conditions in general, should weigh when deciding what treatment if any they want to pursue.
No one bats an eye when the family dog gets put down after he got sick because the vet said treating his disease would make the rest of his life miserable, but swap the dog for a person and now mercy is painted as delusion or cruelty. (To be clear, obviously not promoting euthanizing the ill, but pointing out that quality of life is important!)
There were plenty of places in the 1920s that had a 100%success rate on curing cancer. The side effect was the patient was dead, but in the end the cancer was dead
Anyone trying to cast doubt on researchers and doctors regarding cancer instantly goes onto my list of irredemabley horrible people. Preying on people in the most vulnerable situation like that is just not right
Remember, in most countries healthcare is not for profit, and is instead the appositive a cost we happily pay with taxes and have instead banned price inflation, and we all agree on things like this. The medical community share information, scrutinize each others studies, and do studies and research all over the world, and consistently strive for and come up with things that try to cure the patient. Every now and then we even come up with actual cures for things that we previously couldn't, and those times are huge wins, which makes that research company, or hospital, or whathaveyou get lots of amazing cred and positive exposure. We do try to keep you well, get you well, and cure things. And remember, if a company managed to invent a cure for all cancers the owners of that company could quite quickly become some of the riches people on the planet just based on the for profit countries alone.
Exactly. I can’t tell you how many people have said to me that they think there’s already a cure for cancer and that “the man” is keeping it a secret because they make more money off of cancer treatments. If that was the case, they would just sell the cancer cure for multi million dollars to individual rich people that get it. But that doesn’t happen. They can still pass of it too.
"Why wouldn't someone who's dying try everything?"
Setting aside that no one has the time for that, no one has the resources for that, and that some things are mutually exclusive - why would anyone assume that "everything" has a shot at working?
This man absolutely suggested Ivermectin to someone.
It feels like there's a vacuum of good nutrition information online (partly because nutrition research is really hard to do) and that empty space is just constantly being filled with the most pseudo scientific nonsense you can find.
I agree and I think the lack of good research based nutrition info is compounded by the fact that so little of the research we DO have is trustworthy as so much of it is funded by various lobbies and special interests
@@alexanderreynolds6018 Nutrition research is incredibly difficult, but most of it is not funded by lobbies and special interests, because the profit margins on food are incredibly small and because of the difficulties in the research you almost never get a convincing result that a lobby/special interest likes that is actually publishable in an academic journal.
The "research" cited in TV commercials for supplements or food or whatever is generally deliberately flawed in design to get the answer they want and should be treated as no more credible than the opinion of a salesman.
But nutrition research in academic journals is generally just affected by the difficulties of such research itself: (1) people lie - even on anonymous surveys (2) detailed nutrition information is not readily a lot of "food" (3) supplements are poorly regulated and often don't actually contain what is on the bottle. (4) lots of people are trying to study the same things with insufficient numbers of samples so just by random chance you get tons of conflicting results.
Yes, you do need to be talking about this. We need to be clear that this is misinformation. Bringing attention to this, showing your process of fact-checking this misinformation, and explaining the emotional harm being done to patients, providers, and the public at large is very important work. We need to keep each other accountable and I thank you for helping us to do that.
Hank, thank you so much to debunking some of this huge misconceptions around cancer, in particular cancer and food. As a cancer biologist that is interested in sci comm, I think this is really REALLY important. I still want once day to write a 'explaining cancer biology to kids' book, maybe it should be 'explaining cancer biology to people as if they were kids'. Maybe some of these stupid myths would not spread.
My doc said to "eat what you can." I had two weeks I couldn't eat anything, except orange sherbet. I told him this. He said, "that's fine. Take a multivitamin, if you can." After two weeks I could eat ckn and brocolli and cheese. No harm done.
I appreciate your content so much, but this in particular. I have had this exact conversation with a friend who was influenced similarly after her gma passed from cancer, may she rest in peace.
It's so important to have factual information available to debunk all of these crazy theories being spewed to market things.
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We don't want to keep people sick, we don't have room to treat everyone as it is, we don't have staff to treat the ones we take in and we don't have the energy to stay longer at work than we already are.
There’s also a point to be made that people with a serious illness are already suffering- and sometimes you can only bear so much. Eating a diet that is depressing to you just adds another layer of suffering
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Amen sibling, amen 🙏
At least he didn't spend the whole video trying to convince that "Big Sock" is trying to make us sick, "and THESE socks will help keep you healthy!"
My mother was diagnosed with Acinic cell carcinoma back in December. The cancer was removed surgically and her prognosis is excellent. She has been doing all of these diets, from juicing, to vegan, to now this diet of minimum carbs bordering on none and spent thousands, maybe $10+ thousand in alternative treatments. I have had conversations about this that I didn't believe that this route was sound and worth the risks when shes already lost 20% of her body weight because of her trying alternative diets in an effort to avoid getting cancer again when shes hurting her long term health. The challenge is, balancing the harm a diet like this does and countering the misinformation without discouraging her in something that gives her perceived control over her health. I appreciate the video Hank and have followed your journey from the beginning and have nothing but respect for you spreading evidence based information on cancer. Unfortunately I am the only one in my family who puts stock in evidence based treatments. This video covered my exact situation combatting similar misinformation from "Integrative Oncologist"
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When my dad had stage 4 brain cancer his doctors asked him to try a keto diet to see if it would effect the growth in any way. I believe they found it didn't have any measurable change. One thing my dad did note was that keto was a very expensive and generally hard to manage diet especially when you are dealing with cancer. So yeah I wouldn't worry about that.
I am a newly graduated doctor who just started my first job in the pulmonology department in my country two months ago. Just two weeks ago, we admitted a patient with lung cancer who was to be treated with chemotherapy. Apparently, this patient initially refused chemo because they wanted to try a low-carb diet first! Now some months later they've gotten ill and returned to hospital, but they likely missed the window for treatment because their condition has worsened... It infuriates me so much to think that these videos are putting patients in danger.
I almost teared up when you mentioned caregivers being distrusted, and taking the bad news home with them. I guess I'm doing exactly that now. I didn't expect that to be brought up. Of course the patients "duped" by these things are still the true victims, but I wanted to say thank you for recognizing the care team and our feelings as well.
Thanks for this video. My brother had colon cancer at 27, he'd just finished running a half marathon a few months before he got diagnosed and was in the best physical shape he'd ever been in and was eating really healthy. Turns out he has a rare genetic disorder (familial adenomatous polyposis) with zero family history of it, so his body just keeps growing polyps in his stomach, small intestine and his large intestine (when he still had that, he had to have his large intestine removed as part of his cancer treatment), and those polyps all have the potential to become cancerous (I know any cell has the potential, but polyps have a much higher rate I think... he has to have yearly scopes of his stomach and small intestine to monitor and remove polyps, and will have to have them at *least* yearly for the rest of his life). Good diet, exercise and generally just taking care of yourself of course help your outcomes, but so many people treat it as a fix for health issues, or a shield against them, when there are no guarantees. You can do everything "right" and still end up sick, that's just the reality.