Alternative title: Fusion-Sub Zoodiac getting fucked on for 21 minutes. This was insane. They got at least a few wins, but 3 close wins just dont compensate getting stomped 7 times.
6:40 I mean, I think popping Mo Ye was a hugh mistake. The zoo knew the card in hand was Shtana. If popped the token, Shtana wouldn't be able to summon itself or even used its effect to reborn a non effect and pop a card on the field
Keeping swoso off of vanillas is always the correct play because of the tenyi half of the deck, unless they have monk and shtana specifically, but the tokens can't be revived
Was about to write that. Even if he didn't know about Shtana, there was a circle in the grave, so if you pop the token, he cant activate it, and you save the ash. The swordsoul game was very winnable, the MoYe pop was a huge punt.
I was looking for this comment. One thing I've learned from playing swordsoul and playing against it over the years is that you almost always pop the token. Mo Ye on his own is just a 1700 beatstick whereas the token allows you to extend with any of your Tenyi's.
Fusion sub zoo was ahead of it's time. The zoo cards by themselves dont do enough to make an impressive board. The perfect example was the tri-brigade match up. Nowadays, even full power zoo would just be an engine.
Ahead of its time as in, the extra draws didn't matter because the end board was the same either way, and having multiple hand traps is STILL mid because combo decks now can end of more than a pop and still have multiple hand traps. Those fusion sub draws would be INSANE today, not so much in 2017, compared to modern decks
I mean the deck doesn't even use any modern cards. You think it would end on a pop. It can make an easy apollousa with 4 negates. It can cycle with emerald and 3 pot of avarice. As being small enough to hold insane amount of tech.
@@sasuke11457 I mean, that's kinda my point. The deck is so powerful that none of cards in 2017 really do anything for it. Imagine have a draw 4 engine and hoping you draw into solemn strike. Deck would be amazing nowadays, but wouldn't even remotely resemble the lists and combos from 2017 except Maybe the draw 4.
@@jthememeking tbh the draw 4 part isn't necessarily as good now, sure non engine gets better, but having to play 2 emerals for random draws isn't better than like a udf package, ip into sp or apo Using a single rat to go for udf + drident + 2 random draws seems stronger than 4 random draws and a weaker field, and ofc more extension like barrage or starting with terrortop could make even stronger stuff, like boards with apo or ip Also you can end on all the stuff from above besides the draws while playing shifter in the deck, so in theory modern fusion zub zoo is just xyz snake eye except with less follow up, but with more resiliency to hand traps and the ability to play shifter
Modern full power zoo would be super nasty just because of the exploits you could do with triple rat not being OPT. It would be a wild link enabler. You are right, more than likely it would just be an engine to facilitate link or R4NK plays. But it would be the nastiest engine of all time. I'm sure someone could cook up an easy +10 combo nowadays.
Fusion Sub Zoo definitely suffered from being heavily teched for the mirror. Might be interesting to see how it'd perform with the same core, but access to more modern staples.
A lot of people saying the deck seems bad, I think it's more important to keep in mind, this version of zoo was very strong in a vacuum. If left alone you get a lot of advantage, but if Nib was around in that time, deck dies. Lot of decks can play through interaction, Zoo? Eeehh. Not as much as you'd think.
Also if the cards were legal today you'd have better lines to go into. If zoo got everything back it'd still be a meta deck in the current format but the deck lists would look completely different.
Zoo can easily play through most hand traps, besides nib and other stuff that removes their monsters from the field, which is why ogre is present in this list (and maxx c is an issue ofc)
If we had Nib back then you would just play it like 2 years or so ago as a going 2nd deck that relies on Zeus, or some sort of combopile to make Apo on the 5th summon. This engine is still one of the best engines ever created imo.
@@Kill1o5 it is the best engine that was created, imo. The amount of stuff that you can do with 1 rat - provided that the broadbull is unbanned - is too much for a lot of decks to handle today, provided that you support zoo with modern day support. The problem of 2017 fusion sub zoo is that it does what all modern decks do: spam the board with bodies and make big board. It was tier 0 back in 2017 but nothing new anymore, plus all the techs that people run today destroy sub zoo I guess it is same with a lot of tier 0 decks in yugioh history when compared to today.
This Zoo deck is a card advantage monster but they didn't have anything too strong or unfair in their end board (dimension barrier is the exception). OCG Pepe is the only pre-2019 deck that's truly ahead of its time, infinite special summons ending on one of the most broken cards ever, Shock Master.
Every time someone says "Zoo is too strong for [insert current year] bro, you can't unban them", what they mean to say is "ez access to Zeus be going crazy"
Oh! I would love to see either Eldlich Cyberse ( the piles of 60~) or Branded Despia! Also i feel peoplebare kinda mean to Sub-Zoo. This deck was heavely tech out for the mirror, ita just that theses tools for the mirror are very situational in the grand scheme of decks. If Sub-Zoo ecisted nowadays you would play tons of Solemns Judgements or HT that will win you the game. I think while unfortunate this was a -kinda- expected result.
It's funny how nasty modern staples are against a deck that for the longest time used to be considered more broken than it ACTUALLY is. In all honestly, the strength of most decks nowadays comes from how efficiently they're able to make use of staple hand traps, board breakers and generic Extra Deck options, and if the banned cards from this were combined with some modern stuff it'd probably do fine. Just the fact that Tri-Zoo can beat this variant is proof of that.
Funnily enough Zoo used to be strong because of these exact reasons. It utilized the (at the time) broken staples like Ash Blossom, Solemn Strike, Raigeki, etc. the best, since the deck core really wasn't that big (except for the extra) and had lots of space for the actual good stuff. It's just that we have more broken staples now than in 2017 so by comparison it looks like garbage. Take this exact list, but replace all the generic cards with staples from today and the difference would be night and day.
That was uh...pretty rough to watch lol. On a serious note though! Last year you had a modern six Sam list that lost its position to a more nostalgic deck list and I think you should try it out for a challenger appears!
Lmao you know nothing. Zoo would annihilate most of these decks today. These matches are just played like ass. I mean no dweller against tear ? Normal ratpier plays through a 4 mat apo and a savage without the need for Zeus. You would end on Drident, dweller and f0 out of a single card even through multiple handtraps. Outside of nib there are no handtraps that are good against zoodiac.
Would be fun to see what Zoodiac could do with the modern cardpool. Also I don't think Emeral even needs to be at 1 regardless of anything else, since you can already recycle it through multiple ways, having extra copies just makes the process easier.
This version of Zoo is my most hated deck of all time, so seeing it get manhandled was super fun. The few wins were also super funny. Just a banger episode all around.
It's not so much that the deck is terrible, what made fusion sub zoo so crazy is that it was one of the first true one card full combo decks that could go plus a zillion and it was so consistent that it could afford most of the deck being nonengine. The issue is that these deck lists are a snapshot of history, and because zoo was a tier zero format, all of their non engine is devoted to beating other zoos. If it wasnt playing garbage like My Body As a Shield, itd be way better. Also they have the best board wipes available for the time like dark holes and raigeki. Give em access to today's insane non engine and theyd do a lot better. Also nibiru was GLUED to the opponents' opening hands along with talents etc, very unfortunate stomping. While one card combos in today's are probably more crazy, what is more important is their access to stuff like nib, dark ruler, evenly, lightning storm, talents, thrust, etc etc etc. This deck is basically just a small shell that gives you a ton of access to non engine and a couple bodies, it is only as strong as the nonengine it plays which are pretty outdated. It also excels in games two and three because it can afford to board into all of the hate it could possibly want, and this unfortunately is a bo1.
Tbh more recent one card combos aren't really that much better, if at all Like sure, snake eye ash, a prank kid, kashtira unicorn or even tour guide in unchained can create powerful boards, but they're also weaker to hand traps and/or have less starters, and have more telegraphed boards whereas zoo doesn't always have to do the same thing
Even though the build and the going 1st matter, and that game snake eyes almost bricked, i think that it's still interesting to see that Zoo built in that way, but with different tech cards, would be something for the today yugioh (SE format) but not for the past 4/5 years formats The game evolved awkwardly, format in which we are now is completely different from 2 years ago, at the point that almost de-volved. The game now is a game of handtrap resources and follow up, zoo doesnt fill this last requirement very good though Is crazy seieing perform in the same video Drytron Ishizu tear Swordsoul Snake eyes Zoodiac They seem 5 different games
ok that swordsoul game was total for zodiak to win. in what world are you using dritent NOT o the token. throughout all of swordsouls existence the wisdom was always hit the token as it turn of tenyis and in general all posibility to synchro summon
If anything i guess it showed this deck lose to staples more than anything if it had utopic drago future and zeus it would still be unfair + better staple cards instead of galaxy cylone in main and my body as a shield (lmao) this deck is still crazy imo
I wanna say that Zoo got screwed by being heavily teched for the mirror, but even if an early format list was used (before it became apparent that heavy teching was necessary) I don’t think it would change anything. A draw 4 combo where the only guarantee is a raigeki break, and the best case scenario board is a just a worse Snake-Eye board that wasn’t built to play around Nib… it just shows its age so much lol
Not so much challenger appears as powercreep appears. Even going first nearly every time, Zoodiac was getting bodied left and right. Definitely an interesting contender. Do we need to put zoodiac in the upper bracket at this point lol. Ironically given the other beatings, they took out 2 of the 3 strongest decks in the tournament in Kashtira and Snake Eye, and nearly had Tearlament too.
Kash ans tear don't play much non engine so they had a good chance there, especially as all of zoo's non engine besides my body is useful in the kash matchup And snake eye can't really break boards, they rely on hand trapping the opponent, and saw no hand traps here It was mostly unlucky draws and nib/talents that was cooking zoo here
It was the best deck in no banlist formats until tearlament from the tournaments that were played. Modern full power Zoo would be able to take advantage of modern staples and Zeus (though it would probably be tier 1 at best, deck is basically just slightly worse snake eye/Melo)
@@andleepfarooqui7874 it's not necessarily worse than snake eye, it ends on similar boards off of 1 card, has an easier time playing through most hand traps, and can play shifter, the only worse thing is the grind game Snake eye never reached tier 0 though, and ishtear only held it for 3/8 ycs events they were at full power for, it's basically impossible for modern decks to be tier 0 Mostly thanks to formats often being very diverse with many contending decks, especially since the later half of 2023, so with that in mind, even if zoo is in theory slightly stronger than snake eye, they likely wouldn't be tier 0 or if they were to reach it then they wouldn't be able to maintain it for long Side note zoo barely benefits from a no banlist format since they only really get to use the power spells everyone else can and maybe some newer extra deck monsters Tear on the other hand gets to use lavalval chain, azathot and shock master that can be easier to make with 3 instant fusion and norden funnily enough, while dragon link gets to use all the guardragons and victory dragon with the ocg surrender rules Tbh it's quite impressive that the zoo engine, with extra decks looking just adding udf and zeus for the most part, and the rest being hand traps and PoG/graceful, can make them a top 3 deck in such a crazy format with every other deck having so many broken extra deck options
@@andrejv.2834 In the other comment I replied to you in, I pointed out that you forgot the Number 38: Hope Harbinger Titanic Galaxy in pure Snake-Eyes board. In the past this would be Baronne + random draw. I agree that Zoo is more robust to HT than Snake-Eye but the end board you described off one Rat is weaker. I haven't really labbed out no-hit Zoodiac in detail so it's very possible that you have a superior end board. That said, Snake-Eye has won every YCS since its release.
@@andleepfarooqui7874 you can't end on hope harb without diabellstar and the sinful spoils cards, you need selene's revive effect for that and ash doesn't get you enough spells for the counters What board is stronger depends though, sp triggers on a new chain after being summoned by ip so her banish could be weaker than drident who can pop immediately, and udf's steal effect could be stronger than apo, but again, depends on the deck Both of these boards are extremely hard to break so which is stronger isn't too relevant, my point is that if snake eye can have 45%+ representation there's no reason for why zoo couldn't if we replaced snake eye with them, as pure zoo does very similar things
Wow. Zoodiac just got destroyed. It took their best hand vs bad hands to even steal a win. Really shows how much power creep comes the past 7 years. Can't wait till Ishizu gets destroyed the same way in 2030 LOL.
If they used a list that wasn't made for the mirror, like this one which is on up to 11 dead cards in the main, they'd do much better, even with a 2017 cardpool
Imo it’s time we see a Cross Banlist Cup where every list is built for the tournament. Seeing a deck like Fusion Zoo brick on My Body across multiple games where it wouldn’t ever resolve is frustrating. It’d fun to see how the entire cardpool during different eras would impact the outcome. Even if it benefits modern decks the most, it could give these mid-era decks more of a fighting chance.
It'd also provide an interesting challenge to mid-era decks when it comes to siding -- do they side for the retro bracket they're on to consistently get to the lategame, or try to high roll and side exclusively for the back half if they make it to the top cut against modern decks?
Basically, you are suggesting to create an imaginary format, for imaginary decks that never existed and probably never will. That's not what cross ban list means. Ban list and cardpools define Yu-Gi-Oh decks.
@@sejotejerina3732 I’m literally suggesting they use each individual banlist and cardpool, just build each deck from the ground up so it’s not running useless cards again more modern decks. Like rather than play an exact deck list from 2010, use the same cardpool to build a new tweaked deck with better ratios and a better sideboard.
I'd say this was still a decent showing for a deck with a 7 year old cardpool, especially if we consider that they have 11 format specific cards in their main (raigeki/dark hole, droll, cosmic, ogre and ofc the funniest being my body) Beating snake eye and putting up a good fight against the other decks which have much newer non engine/extra deck options is pretty good, some unfortunate draws/hands didn't help either And kashtira yet again dropping a going 2nd game to a deck with an extremely outdated cardpool, although admittedly this is a matchup where some of zoo's format specific non engine is very strong
Snake eye isn't beating strike + chalice anyway, with or without the drident/dweller/totem bird The deck isn't the best at going 2nd through established boards Same for kashtira, they can't really go 2nd well into this zoo list because funnily enough, zoo's generic non engine (besides my body) is actually pretty good against kash
Note that we're looking at a deck with a 2017 cardpool that has up to 11 dead cards in the main because it was made for the mirror and heavily relies on non engine Some example boards a single rat could make by herself with 2024 cards would be udf + ip/sp, or udf + drident + 2 draws, or drident + hammerkong + ip For referance snake eye ash by itself gets you to a 3 mat apo + ip + princess, pretty similar board, however zoo is better at playing through common hand traps (ash, veiler, imperm), can have less telegraphed boards because the extra deck can be built in many ways, has no real garnets and can play shifter
Agree but Snake Eye Ash gets you a titanic galaxy along with flamberge+I:P/2matAppo/Princess in modern lines. This is a fair bit better than the rat lines but I also think the Rat lines you listed are fairly suboptimal since UFD does not provide Appo with battle protection the way Titanic does. (Response to andrev)
@@potatoexe5410 if u use norden as super poly target he's just a worse muddragon and u need to commit to many main and extra deck slots to make it more than just a rogue option
This video goes to show that the Zoodiac cards (besides ratpier and maybe another or two) are very balanced for today. Even though we have the Utopic Draco Future, you still can’t make that in less than 5 summons so you still basically die to Nibiru. Norden can stay banned because other decks can definitely abuse it, but some of their other cards can start to come off the list
I mean the zoo engine + udf/zeus/power spells is able to hold it's own against ishtear with azathot, shock master, norden and lavalval chain, dragon link with victory dragon and every broken link combo piece they'd ever want, like halq, linkross and every guardragon I don't really like using no banlist stuff to talk about decks, however looking at these results, the zoo archetype is certainly one of the strongest, if not the strongest ever, and with a modern cardpool would be the best deck, or close to it in any given format
@@andrejv.2834 all you did was post about the singular no ban list event that was held where victory dragon was the clear favorite. Crazy how zoo was so good but it got waxed by so many other decks in this video 🤔
Fold to 1 Nib, or end on shitty board to 1 Droll, lol deck is ass, age like milk indeed, that SE game was really lucky with the hands, should've been way worse Atleast you are able to play all matches, this record is what you likely get if you play this deck in a modern YCS, except in that you would go home at 0-3 already
I hate zoo, to my bone, they started the handtrap. dek trend ... but dont this replays fools you the reason they lost this badly is because it is a very outdated list just bring back their engine at full force and you will see.
SPOILER SHIELD!
What decks should be featured as a challenger?
I would like to see based or adventure tenyi
Releaser Dragun OCG 2020 with Maxx C Linkross and Link Crystron.
Purrely would be cool
Cyberse Eldlich!
Some sort of Eldlich variant could be cool. Like synchro eldlich with Jet synchron
The 5+ year difference in new cards and staples is really showing in all of these matches lol.
Lithium: A CHALLENGER APPEARS
2024 CBC decks: Are you sure about that ?
Alternative title: Fusion-Sub Zoodiac getting fucked on for 21 minutes.
This was insane. They got at least a few wins, but 3 close wins just dont compensate getting stomped 7 times.
the last game wasn't close but yes
6:40 I mean, I think popping Mo Ye was a hugh mistake. The zoo knew the card in hand was Shtana.
If popped the token, Shtana wouldn't be able to summon itself or even used its effect to reborn a non effect and pop a card on the field
Keeping swoso off of vanillas is always the correct play because of the tenyi half of the deck, unless they have monk and shtana specifically, but the tokens can't be revived
Yeah. I caught that too. Big big misplay
Was about to write that. Even if he didn't know about Shtana, there was a circle in the grave, so if you pop the token, he cant activate it, and you save the ash. The swordsoul game was very winnable, the MoYe pop was a huge punt.
@@arielgomes7989he knew about the tenyi. The opponent has to reveal for mo ye.
I was looking for this comment. One thing I've learned from playing swordsoul and playing against it over the years is that you almost always pop the token. Mo Ye on his own is just a 1700 beatstick whereas the token allows you to extend with any of your Tenyi's.
Fusion sub zoo was ahead of it's time. The zoo cards by themselves dont do enough to make an impressive board.
The perfect example was the tri-brigade match up. Nowadays, even full power zoo would just be an engine.
Ahead of its time as in, the extra draws didn't matter because the end board was the same either way, and having multiple hand traps is STILL mid because combo decks now can end of more than a pop and still have multiple hand traps.
Those fusion sub draws would be INSANE today, not so much in 2017, compared to modern decks
I mean the deck doesn't even use any modern cards. You think it would end on a pop. It can make an easy apollousa with 4 negates. It can cycle with emerald and 3 pot of avarice. As being small enough to hold insane amount of tech.
@@sasuke11457 I mean, that's kinda my point. The deck is so powerful that none of cards in 2017 really do anything for it. Imagine have a draw 4 engine and hoping you draw into solemn strike.
Deck would be amazing nowadays, but wouldn't even remotely resemble the lists and combos from 2017 except Maybe the draw 4.
@@jthememeking tbh the draw 4 part isn't necessarily as good now, sure non engine gets better, but having to play 2 emerals for random draws isn't better than like a udf package, ip into sp or apo
Using a single rat to go for udf + drident + 2 random draws seems stronger than 4 random draws and a weaker field, and ofc more extension like barrage or starting with terrortop could make even stronger stuff, like boards with apo or ip
Also you can end on all the stuff from above besides the draws while playing shifter in the deck, so in theory modern fusion zub zoo is just xyz snake eye except with less follow up, but with more resiliency to hand traps and the ability to play shifter
Modern full power zoo would be super nasty just because of the exploits you could do with triple rat not being OPT. It would be a wild link enabler. You are right, more than likely it would just be an engine to facilitate link or R4NK plays. But it would be the nastiest engine of all time. I'm sure someone could cook up an easy +10 combo nowadays.
definitely glad we decided to do all 10 duels this year even if they lose 2 early, because this video would've been REALLY short otherwise lmao 💀
Fusion Sub Zoo definitely suffered from being heavily teched for the mirror. Might be interesting to see how it'd perform with the same core, but access to more modern staples.
Branded as a Challenger?
Which build specificaly?
@@Lithium2300 that's the tricky part, imo the bystial version played during tesr format is nice nice, but fusion pile seems to be better also gimmick
@@Lithium2300 post quem most likely (was it CYAC)?
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@@Lithium2300 Gimmick Lock
A lot of people saying the deck seems bad, I think it's more important to keep in mind, this version of zoo was very strong in a vacuum. If left alone you get a lot of advantage, but if Nib was around in that time, deck dies. Lot of decks can play through interaction, Zoo? Eeehh. Not as much as you'd think.
Yup, typical tier 0 format where decks counter the other tier 0 (same) deck..
Also if the cards were legal today you'd have better lines to go into. If zoo got everything back it'd still be a meta deck in the current format but the deck lists would look completely different.
Zoo can easily play through most hand traps, besides nib and other stuff that removes their monsters from the field, which is why ogre is present in this list (and maxx c is an issue ofc)
If we had Nib back then you would just play it like 2 years or so ago as a going 2nd deck that relies on Zeus, or some sort of combopile to make Apo on the 5th summon.
This engine is still one of the best engines ever created imo.
@@Kill1o5 it is the best engine that was created, imo. The amount of stuff that you can do with 1 rat - provided that the broadbull is unbanned - is too much for a lot of decks to handle today, provided that you support zoo with modern day support.
The problem of 2017 fusion sub zoo is that it does what all modern decks do: spam the board with bodies and make big board. It was tier 0 back in 2017 but nothing new anymore, plus all the techs that people run today destroy sub zoo
I guess it is same with a lot of tier 0 decks in yugioh history when compared to today.
Should be "A Victim Appears"
"Four zero behind and I was just like ok give me a break, come on!"
Next game, immediate droll on tenki. Lmao
Joshua's Synchro Bystial list that won a YCS (with Quem and such). Not particularly busted, but interesting
Finally the zoo list i've been waiting for
This Zoo deck is a card advantage monster but they didn't have anything too strong or unfair in their end board (dimension barrier is the exception). OCG Pepe is the only pre-2019 deck that's truly ahead of its time, infinite special summons ending on one of the most broken cards ever, Shock Master.
lose to just 1 nibiru or zeus during Pend summon unfortunately (watch Bird-up vs Pepe C.b.c. 2022)
Bruh… did you really make emeral instead of dweller against tear ?
Damn making a good case to bring a lot of the zoo cards back xD
Full power Zoo would be insane with today’s card pool
Every time someone says "Zoo is too strong for [insert current year] bro, you can't unban them", what they mean to say is "ez access to Zeus be going crazy"
Definitely want to see how gimmick puppet FTK fairs
Oh! I would love to see either Eldlich Cyberse ( the piles of 60~) or Branded Despia!
Also i feel peoplebare kinda mean to Sub-Zoo. This deck was heavely tech out for the mirror, ita just that theses tools for the mirror are very situational in the grand scheme of decks. If Sub-Zoo ecisted nowadays you would play tons of Solemns Judgements or HT that will win you the game.
I think while unfortunate this was a -kinda- expected result.
It's funny how nasty modern staples are against a deck that for the longest time used to be considered more broken than it ACTUALLY is.
In all honestly, the strength of most decks nowadays comes from how efficiently they're able to make use of staple hand traps, board breakers and generic Extra Deck options, and if the banned cards from this were combined with some modern stuff it'd probably do fine. Just the fact that Tri-Zoo can beat this variant is proof of that.
Funnily enough Zoo used to be strong because of these exact reasons. It utilized the (at the time) broken staples like Ash Blossom, Solemn Strike, Raigeki, etc. the best, since the deck core really wasn't that big (except for the extra) and had lots of space for the actual good stuff. It's just that we have more broken staples now than in 2017 so by comparison it looks like garbage. Take this exact list, but replace all the generic cards with staples from today and the difference would be night and day.
That was uh...pretty rough to watch lol. On a serious note though! Last year you had a modern six Sam list that lost its position to a more nostalgic deck list and I think you should try it out for a challenger appears!
Floowandereeze????
Really? 😅🙏
@@Lithium2300 It's a different mechanic to the other decks 🤔
@@Lithium2300 please!
God this deck aged like Milk xD
I was like ,,this seems so ass" since game 1
Deck is straight cheeks now 😢😂
No, if you put modern staples in the zoo deck, it would be the best deck by far.
@@americafromsam1674it would still get cucked by a single nibiru lol
@@americafromsam1674 definitely not "the best deck by far" but staples really do make a difference, ogre and my body as a shield are so....
Lmao you know nothing. Zoo would annihilate most of these decks today. These matches are just played like ass. I mean no dweller against tear ?
Normal ratpier plays through a 4 mat apo and a savage without the need for Zeus.
You would end on Drident, dweller and f0 out of a single card even through multiple handtraps.
Outside of nib there are no handtraps that are good against zoodiac.
A challenger gets demolished lmao
Would be fun to see what Zoodiac could do with the modern cardpool. Also I don't think Emeral even needs to be at 1 regardless of anything else, since you can already recycle it through multiple ways, having extra copies just makes the process easier.
Yeah, super fun video 👍🏻
Best version of zoo was tyrant neptune combo with lyrilus where its a towers with 8000k attack that burns your opponent for game.
Imagine going first, opening up with maxx c, ash and droll and still losing. Man I love tears :)
Even had Drident pop, 2 chalice and imperial order, Which was ALL done through 2 handtraps 😂😂 (Havnis and Kelbek)
As someone who played during the fusion sub era this level of dominance against the deck is insane
This version of Zoo is my most hated deck of all time, so seeing it get manhandled was super fun.
The few wins were also super funny. Just a banger episode all around.
It's not so much that the deck is terrible, what made fusion sub zoo so crazy is that it was one of the first true one card full combo decks that could go plus a zillion and it was so consistent that it could afford most of the deck being nonengine. The issue is that these deck lists are a snapshot of history, and because zoo was a tier zero format, all of their non engine is devoted to beating other zoos. If it wasnt playing garbage like My Body As a Shield, itd be way better. Also they have the best board wipes available for the time like dark holes and raigeki. Give em access to today's insane non engine and theyd do a lot better. Also nibiru was GLUED to the opponents' opening hands along with talents etc, very unfortunate stomping. While one card combos in today's are probably more crazy, what is more important is their access to stuff like nib, dark ruler, evenly, lightning storm, talents, thrust, etc etc etc. This deck is basically just a small shell that gives you a ton of access to non engine and a couple bodies, it is only as strong as the nonengine it plays which are pretty outdated. It also excels in games two and three because it can afford to board into all of the hate it could possibly want, and this unfortunately is a bo1.
Tbh more recent one card combos aren't really that much better, if at all
Like sure, snake eye ash, a prank kid, kashtira unicorn or even tour guide in unchained can create powerful boards, but they're also weaker to hand traps and/or have less starters, and have more telegraphed boards whereas zoo doesn't always have to do the same thing
Some ideas for future challengers:
Floo
Labrynth
Purrely
Even though the build and the going 1st matter, and that game snake eyes almost bricked, i think that it's still interesting to see that Zoo built in that way, but with different tech cards, would be something for the today yugioh (SE format) but not for the past 4/5 years formats
The game evolved awkwardly, format in which we are now is completely different from 2 years ago, at the point that almost de-volved. The game now is a game of handtrap resources and follow up, zoo doesnt fill this last requirement very good though
Is crazy seieing perform in the same video
Drytron
Ishizu tear
Swordsoul
Snake eyes
Zoodiac
They seem 5 different games
Fusion Zoo makes so many +
Runick spright: hold my beer
10 replays ? thank you santa Lith
We’re doing better 😄👍
@@Lithium2300 So happy to hear that
It's funny to see Substitution Zoo being cooked by the 2024 CBC contenders.
Imo the biggest problem are the obviously metad cards like spell and trap removal in main deck, which is un heard of today
Not saying it would have altered the score drastically, but damn... those draws were insanely unlucky...
Makurya FTK should be a challenger
How about Kitchen Synch/B.A.S.E.D. for Challenger Appears
Next challenger deck floows.
ok that swordsoul game was total for zodiak to win. in what world are you using dritent NOT o the token. throughout all of swordsouls existence the wisdom was always hit the token as it turn of tenyis and in general all posibility to synchro summon
Calling Fusion Sub Zoo an older deck…. I can feel my bones turning to dust. I remember people showing combos with Zodiac Beast Marmorat 😢
17:43 why use drident on perlereino when you have imperial order?!
I think because of the spells he already had
@@petiteexplication6249 umh, yeah didn't think about the chalice
Good engine, but staples and hand traps are so much stronger nowadays.
If anything i guess it showed this deck lose to staples more than anything if it had utopic drago future and zeus it would still be unfair + better staple cards instead of galaxy cylone in main and my body as a shield (lmao) this deck is still crazy imo
I remebered thus deck was a nightmare in 2017 and now its like a little Bug 😂
Even if Zoo uses side deck cards for different decks it wouldnt change the outcome at all
Monarch Magical Explosion 2016
Game 1 after you emeral, just dark. It’s dead otherwise and you play around the elf eff, ip, and lava golem
This proves Full Power Zoo is no longer a threat for today’s format. Damn Konami unban my bois :(
Not broadbull.
Even if it went 3-7 beating Kash and Snake-eyes was enough for me to be happy
I wanna say that Zoo got screwed by being heavily teched for the mirror, but even if an early format list was used (before it became apparent that heavy teching was necessary) I don’t think it would change anything.
A draw 4 combo where the only guarantee is a raigeki break, and the best case scenario board is a just a worse Snake-Eye board that wasn’t built to play around Nib… it just shows its age so much lol
Gotta clarify though, unhit the zoo cards Norden and Invoker then toss them into the current card pool, I think it’ll hold up pretty dang well
@@LunaDachi oh 1000%. it will be a link spam deck. If you can, try zoo brigade with full power zoo cards, it is broken
Fusion zoo was so unlucky with it's draws.
Nordon definitely carried zoo
Not so much challenger appears as powercreep appears. Even going first nearly every time, Zoodiac was getting bodied left and right. Definitely an interesting contender. Do we need to put zoodiac in the upper bracket at this point lol.
Ironically given the other beatings, they took out 2 of the 3 strongest decks in the tournament in Kashtira and Snake Eye, and nearly had Tearlament too.
Kash ans tear don't play much non engine so they had a good chance there, especially as all of zoo's non engine besides my body is useful in the kash matchup
And snake eye can't really break boards, they rely on hand trapping the opponent, and saw no hand traps here
It was mostly unlucky draws and nib/talents that was cooking zoo here
I mean its the same thing back then.. When 2007 challanger (like baboon deck, etc) appears vs 2016 deck.. They always get rekt.. Just remember that..
My homie who said full power Zoos would still be tier zero 💀
It was the best deck in no banlist formats until tearlament from the tournaments that were played.
Modern full power Zoo would be able to take advantage of modern staples and Zeus (though it would probably be tier 1 at best, deck is basically just slightly worse snake eye/Melo)
@@andleepfarooqui7874 it's not necessarily worse than snake eye, it ends on similar boards off of 1 card, has an easier time playing through most hand traps, and can play shifter, the only worse thing is the grind game
Snake eye never reached tier 0 though, and ishtear only held it for 3/8 ycs events they were at full power for, it's basically impossible for modern decks to be tier 0
Mostly thanks to formats often being very diverse with many contending decks, especially since the later half of 2023, so with that in mind, even if zoo is in theory slightly stronger than snake eye, they likely wouldn't be tier 0 or if they were to reach it then they wouldn't be able to maintain it for long
Side note zoo barely benefits from a no banlist format since they only really get to use the power spells everyone else can and maybe some newer extra deck monsters
Tear on the other hand gets to use lavalval chain, azathot and shock master that can be easier to make with 3 instant fusion and norden funnily enough, while dragon link gets to use all the guardragons and victory dragon with the ocg surrender rules
Tbh it's quite impressive that the zoo engine, with extra decks looking just adding udf and zeus for the most part, and the rest being hand traps and PoG/graceful, can make them a top 3 deck in such a crazy format with every other deck having so many broken extra deck options
@@andrejv.2834 In the other comment I replied to you in, I pointed out that you forgot the Number 38: Hope Harbinger Titanic Galaxy in pure Snake-Eyes board. In the past this would be Baronne + random draw. I agree that Zoo is more robust to HT than Snake-Eye but the end board you described off one Rat is weaker. I haven't really labbed out no-hit Zoodiac in detail so it's very possible that you have a superior end board. That said, Snake-Eye has won every YCS since its release.
@@andleepfarooqui7874 you can't end on hope harb without diabellstar and the sinful spoils cards, you need selene's revive effect for that and ash doesn't get you enough spells for the counters
What board is stronger depends though, sp triggers on a new chain after being summoned by ip so her banish could be weaker than drident who can pop immediately, and udf's steal effect could be stronger than apo, but again, depends on the deck
Both of these boards are extremely hard to break so which is stronger isn't too relevant, my point is that if snake eye can have 45%+ representation there's no reason for why zoo couldn't if we replaced snake eye with them, as pure zoo does very similar things
Tbf Zoo is at this point 7 years old and the game we play now was literally invented by zoo. A bunch of 1-card starter and non engine.
they need to unlimit zoo asap
Wow. Zoodiac just got destroyed. It took their best hand vs bad hands to even steal a win.
Really shows how much power creep comes the past 7 years.
Can't wait till Ishizu gets destroyed the same way in 2030 LOL.
If they used a list that wasn't made for the mirror, like this one which is on up to 11 dead cards in the main, they'd do much better, even with a 2017 cardpool
Imo it’s time we see a Cross Banlist Cup where every list is built for the tournament. Seeing a deck like Fusion Zoo brick on My Body across multiple games where it wouldn’t ever resolve is frustrating. It’d fun to see how the entire cardpool during different eras would impact the outcome. Even if it benefits modern decks the most, it could give these mid-era decks more of a fighting chance.
It'd also provide an interesting challenge to mid-era decks when it comes to siding -- do they side for the retro bracket they're on to consistently get to the lategame, or try to high roll and side exclusively for the back half if they make it to the top cut against modern decks?
Basically, you are suggesting to create an imaginary format, for imaginary decks that never existed and probably never will. That's not what cross ban list means. Ban list and cardpools define Yu-Gi-Oh decks.
@@sejotejerina3732 they aren't saying to update the cardpools, they're saying custom main/side decks should be built with the engine from a deck's era
@@sejotejerina3732 I’m literally suggesting they use each individual banlist and cardpool, just build each deck from the ground up so it’s not running useless cards again more modern decks. Like rather than play an exact deck list from 2010, use the same cardpool to build a new tweaked deck with better ratios and a better sideboard.
Drident, Broadbull, barrage and Norden don't need to be banned anymore.
Broadbull and norden should probably stay banned forever, not only are they insanely powerful, but they also limit card design
Barrage and Drident can come back just fine. Maybe Ratpier as well. Broadbull gotta stay gone forever.
Broadbull and Norden are so outdated. Norden is only good because of instant fusion. Zoodiacs as an architype are so past there prime.
I thought Konami made some pretty dumb banlist choices, but holy shit, saying "Broabull doesn't need to be banned anymore" definitely takes the cake
What can broadbull realistically do? Search a zoodiac maybe a Fraktall and then it dies to nib.
We all talk about fusion sub zoo but no one talks about fusion dom zoo
LMAO
The video being 21 minutes long says it all
I'd say this was still a decent showing for a deck with a 7 year old cardpool, especially if we consider that they have 11 format specific cards in their main (raigeki/dark hole, droll, cosmic, ogre and ofc the funniest being my body)
Beating snake eye and putting up a good fight against the other decks which have much newer non engine/extra deck options is pretty good, some unfortunate draws/hands didn't help either
And kashtira yet again dropping a going 2nd game to a deck with an extremely outdated cardpool, although admittedly this is a matchup where some of zoo's format specific non engine is very strong
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Nibiru would’ve made fusion sub zoo tier 2 😂
2 of 3 wins were from a dweller bc zoo knew the MU. any other rank 4 and 1-9 is likely lmaoooo
Snake eye isn't beating strike + chalice anyway, with or without the drident/dweller/totem bird
The deck isn't the best at going 2nd through established boards
Same for kashtira, they can't really go 2nd well into this zoo list because funnily enough, zoo's generic non engine (besides my body) is actually pretty good against kash
after seeing this i think norden and rat could come back, powercreep is too strong, even bull (but he's too generic)
norden is an amazing super poly target while rat is just a 1 card UFD+extra materials for whatever you want so no
Note that we're looking at a deck with a 2017 cardpool that has up to 11 dead cards in the main because it was made for the mirror and heavily relies on non engine
Some example boards a single rat could make by herself with 2024 cards would be udf + ip/sp, or udf + drident + 2 draws, or drident + hammerkong + ip
For referance snake eye ash by itself gets you to a 3 mat apo + ip + princess, pretty similar board, however zoo is better at playing through common hand traps (ash, veiler, imperm), can have less telegraphed boards because the extra deck can be built in many ways, has no real garnets and can play shifter
Agree but Snake Eye Ash gets you a titanic galaxy along with flamberge+I:P/2matAppo/Princess in modern lines. This is a fair bit better than the rat lines but I also think the Rat lines you listed are fairly suboptimal since UFD does not provide Appo with battle protection the way Titanic does.
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@@potatoexe5410 if u use norden as super poly target he's just a worse muddragon and u need to commit to many main and extra deck slots to make it more than just a rogue option
For next challenge i would see full power pepe with modern staples support
I hate Zoo, the most ignorant 1 card extra deck engine......
Clearly not anymore💀
@@wrathvarean2549 true, they were being silly and gimmicky doing all that nonsense
This video goes to show that the Zoodiac cards (besides ratpier and maybe another or two) are very balanced for today. Even though we have the Utopic Draco Future, you still can’t make that in less than 5 summons so you still basically die to Nibiru. Norden can stay banned because other decks can definitely abuse it, but some of their other cards can start to come off the list
Not brodbull
Hahahahahahahahha a non tier 0 deck goes for a challenge against top modern decks….. not surprised at the results
yea idk shout out to all those ppl who say zoo is one of the best decks ever printed lmao
I mean the zoo engine + udf/zeus/power spells is able to hold it's own against ishtear with azathot, shock master, norden and lavalval chain, dragon link with victory dragon and every broken link combo piece they'd ever want, like halq, linkross and every guardragon
I don't really like using no banlist stuff to talk about decks, however looking at these results, the zoo archetype is certainly one of the strongest, if not the strongest ever, and with a modern cardpool would be the best deck, or close to it in any given format
@@andrejv.2834 riiiiight keep coping little bro
@@vehicledestroyer is anything I said false?
@@andrejv.2834 all you did was post about the singular no ban list event that was held where victory dragon was the clear favorite.
Crazy how zoo was so good but it got waxed by so many other decks in this video 🤔
@@vehicledestroyer there have been multiple no banlist tournaments though
First
Lol how is snake-eyes one of the best decks 2024 when it's so pathetic it gets completely dumpstered by zoodiacs 7 years prior.
Zoo is just a joke
Trash deck.
Fold to 1 Nib, or end on shitty board to 1 Droll, lol deck is ass, age like milk indeed, that SE game was really lucky with the hands, should've been way worse
Atleast you are able to play all matches, this record is what you likely get if you play this deck in a modern YCS, except in that you would go home at 0-3 already
I hate zoo, to my bone, they started the handtrap. dek trend ...
but dont this replays fools you
the reason they lost this badly is because it is a very outdated list
just bring back their engine at full force and you will see.
Requesting Plant Link FTK 💪🪴