Currently training Push/pull/legs 6 times a week as a hypertrophy phase (I always see improvements when i switch back to a strength routine with fewer days after coming off of this)
At 53 years old and lifting for 35 years , I can only tell you what is currently working for me. As recovery and inflammation are always an issue for me, I do the following ...... Sunday - Deadlift (rep range 1-5) ...ONLY bi Weekly! Alternating with a light varied Back & bicep workout in the weeks in between. Tuesday - Heavy Bench press (rep range 1-5) Thursday- Heavyish' squats (rep range 1-5) & Light Bench press 3 sets 10 reps...VERY LIGHT ! 30- 40 kg (just to keep the bench groove greased) The only thing that really changes is that if I get any grief from squats , I will dial it back for a week and of super light (EG: 20-40kg super strict for 3 x 5reps) Good luck ...... Remember some times Less IS More!
Great points in regards to auto regulation and the necessity of trying new things to find what works for you. I think this is especially true for those who have just transitioned out of "beginner" to "intermediate" that have maximized the potential of linear progression and have started encountering recovery issues. What better time to experiment? Commit to a program, run it all the way through, and start making notes about what worked and what didn't. Then it's on to the next one until you have enough knowledge of yourself and various training methods to tailor your own program specific to your needs.
I train upper on Saturday and lower on Sunday for the construction work season and then jump to a bro split for the winter. I maintain all summer and peak my body by spring before returning to maintenance mode again
Please discuss natural and enhance training frequency. It seems clear to me that naturals benefit more from higher frequency lower volume training and enhanced individuals benefit more from lower frequency higher volume - due to them growing and adapting for much longer than naturals due to the drugs.
doesnt matter. on gear, recover faster, but also lift heavies to break down more. all in all you generally end up needing as much recovery if you push both 100%. the one on gear is just gonna be lifting more
Enhanced have to use a lower frequency because their tendons are not as developed/strong as their muscles, their muscles are relatively stronger than their connective tissues. Tendons do not grow/strengthen from steroids if not joint issues would be obsolete (or maybe they do? , but connective tissue strength take a very long time to develop)
This is epic, so true, it's like the deadlift, you gotta figure out what works for you the best, sumo, conventional, sumo with feet shoulder width apart, you gotta find that stance that makes you go "yep, this is it"
Exactly what I do, training two days in a row leaves me feeling weak and back spinning my wheels. I can do it every once in a while but consistently doing it causes me to stall
I’m glad you guys did this I’ve been doing it similar to this I call it my intuitive lifting if it hurts or feels good I do what feels good and try to hold off until it feels good or ready
That’s the thing that drives me nuts with the form-Nazi’s! They troll the crap out of a guy if he doesn’t hit “depth”. He was spot on. It’s subjective. You can see if a person isn’t dipping their behind enough, sure, but to Monday morning QB the parallel portion is ABSURD. Just getting under a bar and doing some even half reps can get the blood pumping right for a particular day.
Yeah i noticed that i can do squat n deadlift twice a week but i would have to wait a whole week to recover so i alternate n its a nightmare doing both together haha
Training seems to always be broken down into a “training week”. I like an every other day lower body upper body split. I never adhere to a set week schedule. I have a home gym and can train anytime I want.
3x and 4x frequency has gained in popularity over the last few years as the bench is, for some people, more technique driven than their other movements and so they need more exposures to the lift. Not all of the sessions are going to be at a high intensity, % of max bench, where maybe two of the sessions are at a higher intensity with a lower daily volume and the other two sessions are the inverse, higher volume with a low to moderate intensity. The bench usually requires a higher weekly volume to grow and so 3x and 4x frequency is a way to achieve that.
VERY TRUE about how some people are good at reps and others at singles. In my own case I have long arms so reps on the bench required working over a longer range of motion than most people and when I first benched 350 for a single I was only doing 265 for 8 reps
Who wants to see more videos with Ed Coan?
As much as he, and y'all, are willing to provide.
As much as possible love to hear his knowledge
@@willcresson8776 agree so much! This was a great video, wish it was 10x as long^^
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Looks like a Powerlifting Anonymous meeting lol
GrixxlyStrength lmfaoo
Hahaha that's one I'd like to be part of 🤣
"Hi, I'm Ed, and I'm a powerlifter."
"Hi, Ed."
Lol nice one!
Hey hey hey, they're getting the help they need. This is a recovery focused program lol great stuff
Ed Conan releasing esoteric level knowledge.
Conan The Adventurer 😅
I’ll take all the Coan and Tate content you can possibly produce
Absolutely the wisest information about weightlifting I’ve ever heard by two legends. Thank you for sharing this valuable video.
Thanks for taking the time to subtitle the audience's question. It's always frustrating trying to figure out what a speaker is responding to.
This may be almost 4yrs
old, but it is GOLD 💛🥇
I needed to hear this . I was lost and now I’m found … thank you Dave and Ed …
Currently training Push/pull/legs 6 times a week as a hypertrophy phase (I always see improvements when i switch back to a strength routine with fewer days after coming off of this)
That was gold two off the best in the world giving quality advice lucky people
At 53 years old and lifting for 35 years , I can only tell you what is currently working for me. As recovery and inflammation are always an issue for me, I do the following ......
Sunday - Deadlift (rep range 1-5) ...ONLY bi Weekly! Alternating with a light varied Back & bicep workout in the weeks in between.
Tuesday - Heavy Bench press (rep range 1-5)
Thursday- Heavyish' squats (rep range 1-5) &
Light Bench press 3 sets 10 reps...VERY LIGHT !
30- 40 kg (just to keep the bench groove greased)
The only thing that really changes is that if I get any grief from squats , I will dial it back for a week and of super light (EG: 20-40kg super strict for 3 x 5reps)
Good luck ...... Remember some times Less IS More!
Great points in regards to auto regulation and the necessity of trying new things to find what works for you. I think this is especially true for those who have just transitioned out of "beginner" to "intermediate" that have maximized the potential of linear progression and have started encountering recovery issues. What better time to experiment? Commit to a program, run it all the way through, and start making notes about what worked and what didn't. Then it's on to the next one until you have enough knowledge of yourself and various training methods to tailor your own program specific to your needs.
I train upper on Saturday and lower on Sunday for the construction work season and then jump to a bro split for the winter. I maintain all summer and peak my body by spring before returning to maintenance mode again
Please discuss natural and enhance training frequency. It seems clear to me that naturals benefit more from higher frequency lower volume training and enhanced individuals benefit more from lower frequency higher volume - due to them growing and adapting for much longer than naturals due to the drugs.
doesnt matter. on gear, recover faster, but also lift heavies to break down more. all in all you generally end up needing as much recovery if you push both 100%. the one on gear is just gonna be lifting more
Enhanced have to use a lower frequency because their tendons are not as developed/strong as their muscles, their muscles are relatively stronger than their connective tissues. Tendons do not grow/strengthen from steroids if not joint issues would be obsolete (or maybe they do? , but connective tissue strength take a very long time to develop)
i would love to hear this discussion especially from people who have actually taken gear, who aren’t speculating.
Depends entirely on your training style. You can't have high frequency, volume and intensity at the same time.
@@stevenhewes1990 exactly. Those are the variables that dictate it all. If ones goes up the other must go down and vice versa.
This is epic, so true, it's like the deadlift, you gotta figure out what works for you the best, sumo, conventional, sumo with feet shoulder width apart, you gotta find that stance that makes you go "yep, this is it"
Nah sumo should be banned
Great info, I've found my favorite to be training every other day and alternating between Upper and Lower.
Exactly what I do, training two days in a row leaves me feeling weak and back spinning my wheels. I can do it every once in a while but consistently doing it causes me to stall
Timeless content. So valuable to realise your individuality 🧡 really needed to be said 😌
Let’s hear more about this once-a-week club in Cleveland!
I’m glad you guys did this I’ve been doing it similar to this I call it my intuitive lifting if it hurts or feels good I do what feels good and try to hold off until it feels good or ready
Very good job Guys. Answered a lot of my questions.💪
Thats my training program. Main lifts on weekend and maybe fluff around once or twice during the week.
I like how ed explains how its got to feel right
That’s the thing that drives me nuts with the form-Nazi’s! They troll the crap out of a guy if he doesn’t hit “depth”. He was spot on. It’s subjective. You can see if a person isn’t dipping their behind enough, sure, but to Monday morning QB the parallel portion is ABSURD. Just getting under a bar and doing some even half reps can get the blood pumping right for a particular day.
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I got this video recommended at the exact right time
Great Advice 👍 from Two Very Experienced Lifters .
15-20 decisions before you even get to something worth a bleep. Yup. Spot on.
This is Awesome! More of this!
I fuckin love this shit
This is the content i want!
Really good advice
I do understand what Ed n Dave are explain..learn to listen to yourself draw from past experiences ..
Good shit gentlemen!!👌😎💯
Great video!
Great content
Jason Gallant talks about this stuff all the time
Exactly. Mountain
I stopped prepping for fantasy football to watch this so you know its good
Legends
The most progress I made in my life was when I was squatting every two days.
6:00 #truth that spoke to my soul. Noice
Does anyone know who/what program they are referring to as the one day a week training method?Sounds intresting
Was this a clinic? Does this clinic have a title? I would LOVE to attend something like this.
Tongue in cheek title would be Figure It Out.
Yeah i noticed that i can do squat n deadlift twice a week but i would have to wait a whole week to recover so i alternate n its a nightmare doing both together haha
want to get an mri now and get my squat form down
@@SOC-ir6im I've seen that from pt and pl coaches
An MRI isn’t going to tell you how to squat
Unfortunately not too much was said about frequency
Training seems to always be broken down into a “training week”. I like an every other day lower body upper body split. I never adhere to a set week schedule. I have a home gym and can train anytime I want.
i watch some really good lifters on youtube and one guy is benching 4x a week! that’s insanity to me, but i guess everyone is different.
Yeah even at twice a week a hit a wall, but I spent so much time (too much time) banging my head against it.
3x and 4x frequency has gained in popularity over the last few years as the bench is, for some people, more technique driven than their other movements and so they need more exposures to the lift. Not all of the sessions are going to be at a high intensity, % of max bench, where maybe two of the sessions are at a higher intensity with a lower daily volume and the other two sessions are the inverse, higher volume with a low to moderate intensity. The bench usually requires a higher weekly volume to grow and so 3x and 4x frequency is a way to achieve that.
It's only insanity if you lift close to failure. If you lift away from failure, you can do that more frequently
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VERY TRUE about how some people are good at reps and others at singles. In my own case I have long arms so reps on the bench required working over a longer range of motion than most people and when I first benched 350 for a single I was only doing 265 for 8 reps
Ed is such a handsome guy.
always been a handsome guy
I want to hear from Ed coan more than the other guy
One day
Matt Wenning take note
Amen! Best two crossfitters to play the game!
Bruce Lee philosophy use what works throw out what doesn't
👍
So, indispensable youthful nonsense energy versus age, experience, and “knowing your limitations” like Dirty Harry Callahan said. Got it.
Ed looks burnt out…. Doesn’t really have much useful advice to offer