To me, they are the quintessential '80s computers. The integrated nature of the III/4 systems and the Model II/12/16/6000 lines just looks and feels "right".
I'd like to recommend creating a PDF crib sheet for viewers, like the crib sheets sold for math classes, showing all the things explained in this video series, so that everyone has a small, easy-to read reference for all the different variations, compatibilities, and incompatibilities, for the diskettes, hard drives, other related hardware, and the TRS-80s themselves. 📝
I always imagine what I'd be saying if I was watching this and asking snarky questions at my screen. Thanks for watching, I hope you like the rest of the series!
Glad you liked this one! I'm looking forward to when you get to your Model II, but I also know how it feels to have an ever-growing list of projects and distractions. I've forgotten more projects than I can remember at this point.
Thank you for the information! I never knew anything about the Tandy computer line, or used any machine with 8” floppy disks. Look forward to more of your videos!
Sometimes I think the wood paneling is more popular than the computers. It gets quite a few comments. The paneling really does help sell the retro theme! Glad you found the channel, thanks for checking it out!
Loved the video. Lots of great info, but in some portions of it there are some very high pitched noises that verge on painful. I'd recommend running a low pass filter to get rid of anything at a very high frequency.
Hey, thanks for the feedback (and for watching!). Could you drop a time code or two in a reply so I can check it out? My radio mic likes to get funky sometimes…I did change the frequency lately to try and combat it, we’ll see if that helps. Either way, I’ll definitely take the suggestion to run a low pass filter over the audio. I appreciate the suggestion!
I do have a Tandy DT-100 (which is a rebadged Wyse terminal), but I don't have one of the original DT-1s that look like the TRS-80 Model 4. I'd like a Videotex terminal (the one in the CoCo case), but finding one at a decent price seems to get tougher every day. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say WHY it blew up. The problem was me. I had stopped the camera and put the SD card into my laptop to get set up for the next section. In doing so, I corrupted the image file on the SD card. I didn't realize it until I went to run the backup. Thanks for watching!
Ya know, I did, but it got cut. For some unknown reason, I had a habit of saying "it's worth noting" in this video...to the point that I had to go back and try to edit out as many as possible. As part of that process, I nuked the line. Whoops!
... I just got to thinking. I have the Model II disk expansion system, the huge Tandy DMP-400 printer, and of course the Model II... All I am missing is the official desk! 😁
There's one on eBay if you don't mind local pickup and lugging it home! :) www.ebay.com/itm/296675515580?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=U_ZKY15eRA6&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Used a Model-II to write Model-II and Model-III diagnostics on. Used software to transfer the binary of the later to a Model-III. It was a good workhorse. Cringe when I see videos of guys sticking the disk in Model-II's and turn the power on. We would turn the power on, insert the disk, and reset the computer. Noticed many Model-II .. / Model-III ... videos have opted for the solid stated storage option which seem great.
I've heard that software for other TRS-80s was sometimes written on the 8-inch systems. I've always found that interesting! I think a lot of people coming into these systems from others like the Apple II just assume you can start the system with a disk in the drive, and from that perspective it makes sense. But it definitely makes me cringe. :) Solid state storage will definitely help keep these machines alive as the original media continues to fade. In my mind, floppy emulation has been THE big development for a preserving and using lesser-known systems. Definitely made them more accessible to all. Thanks for watching!
@@TJBChris Don't know about other Tandy departments but would write and assemble diagnostic software on a model-II for that computer and model-III then if needed if was tranferred over RS232 to a model-III. Another guy did the MSDOS stuff in assembly and C on a MSDOS computer and another the Xenix stuff on a Model-16b or something. Did the Coco stuff on a Coco
Sadly, there was no TCP/IP stack for these systems back then. There was an ARCNET network available that could create a small LAN, but it didn't have IP available. By the time TCP/IP got bigger in office LANs, these systems were well on their way out to pasture. There is UUCP and micnet available over serial, which could probably make use of a NAS with some work and an intermediary. There's also a project to use a IP-to-Serial converter box to make DropBox files available on the 8" systems, but the IP stack isn't within the Tandy system at all.
@TJBChris Bannon Vines was bearly a thing back when these .achines were released. I was thinking could a NIC be built, abd is thefe enough resources to build a TCP stack. The other thing is how would you get TRSDOS to recognize a network drive as an accessible device? Windows still uses LANMAN from tge MSDOS days, Linux and UNIX use sockets, Macs used Appletalk...so could you get a Model II on a modern lan?
True! That sounds like something for the record books...an 8' drive. Ah the joys of overloaded punctuation...you can interpret it many ways. 😀 Thanks for watching!
It's not just Europe that writes dates correctly, it's literally every other country in the world besides the US. You stubborn Yanks -- imperial measurements, wrong date format, using Fahrenheit for some reason... Metric-ify already!
Stay tuned for the next forecast...if dressing for floppy is...uh...difficult, I think dressing for...uh...fixed...disk storage will be even more of a challenge. 😀
The design language of the Tandy all-in-one computers is absolutely on point.
To me, they are the quintessential '80s computers. The integrated nature of the III/4 systems and the Model II/12/16/6000 lines just looks and feels "right".
I'd like to recommend creating a PDF crib sheet for viewers, like the crib sheets sold for math classes, showing all the things explained in this video series, so that everyone has a small, easy-to read reference for all the different variations, compatibilities, and incompatibilities, for the diskettes, hard drives, other related hardware, and the TRS-80s themselves. 📝
Thanks Chris!
What say you!? 😆 Happy #SepTANDY looking forward to the fun this month
I always imagine what I'd be saying if I was watching this and asking snarky questions at my screen. Thanks for watching, I hope you like the rest of the series!
Not Super-New, but havent seen a Vid from you in a while,
Well Done Brotha!! This is Awesome
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it! This should be a fun series.
I still think of you every time I see my Model II LOL. So many projects.... As usual, enjoyed the video, and happy SepTandy!
Glad you liked this one! I'm looking forward to when you get to your Model II, but I also know how it feels to have an ever-growing list of projects and distractions. I've forgotten more projects than I can remember at this point.
Great stuff!
Love to see these beautiful TRS-80s! Great video!
Glad you like them! Kid me would be shocked if he knew what TRS-80s I’d have as an adult.
Thank you for the information! I never knew anything about the Tandy computer line, or used any machine with 8” floppy disks. Look forward to more of your videos!
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
I am one of the new subscribers. UA-cam algorithm got tweaked I guess, but I'm glad to be here. Keep that wood panelling!
Sometimes I think the wood paneling is more popular than the computers. It gets quite a few comments. The paneling really does help sell the retro theme! Glad you found the channel, thanks for checking it out!
Beautiful sounds of my youth...
The sounds really do take you back!
There is no more WCBS with Traffic and Weather Together on the 8's, but this is better.
Glad you liked it, thanks for stopping by the channel! Seeing WCBS go was sad. It was a fixture, and now that it's gone, it's the end of an era.
First timer here. Loved the video.
Welcome, and thanks for the compliment!
It's time for an 8" petabyte hard drive.
Loved the video. Lots of great info, but in some portions of it there are some very high pitched noises that verge on painful. I'd recommend running a low pass filter to get rid of anything at a very high frequency.
Hey, thanks for the feedback (and for watching!). Could you drop a time code or two in a reply so I can check it out? My radio mic likes to get funky sometimes…I did change the frequency lately to try and combat it, we’ll see if that helps. Either way, I’ll definitely take the suggestion to run a low pass filter over the audio. I appreciate the suggestion!
@@TJBChris I mostly only hear it during the first segment, so from 0:00 to ~2:20. A really bad spike around 0:04, 0:06, 0:07, 0:25.
@@pjm780 Great, thank you! I’ll check it out, and try to mitigate it in the future.
Do you have any of those TRS 80 dumb terminals?
I do have a Tandy DT-100 (which is a rebadged Wyse terminal), but I don't have one of the original DT-1s that look like the TRS-80 Model 4. I'd like a Videotex terminal (the one in the CoCo case), but finding one at a decent price seems to get tougher every day. Thanks for watching!
When you first did the “backup” to create a real boot disk from the floppy emulator , it failed. Could you please tell me why ? Great video !
Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say WHY it blew up. The problem was me. I had stopped the camera and put the SD card into my laptop to get set up for the next section. In doing so, I corrupted the image file on the SD card. I didn't realize it until I went to run the backup. Thanks for watching!
Did you mention how the index hole is in a different position when comparing single sided and double sided disks?
Ya know, I did, but it got cut. For some unknown reason, I had a habit of saying "it's worth noting" in this video...to the point that I had to go back and try to edit out as many as possible. As part of that process, I nuked the line. Whoops!
... I just got to thinking. I have the Model II disk expansion system, the huge Tandy DMP-400 printer, and of course the Model II... All I am missing is the official desk! 😁
There's one on eBay if you don't mind local pickup and lugging it home! :) www.ebay.com/itm/296675515580?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=U_ZKY15eRA6&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
@@TJBChris Oh wow... if I had time and money, I'd make a road trip LOL
Used a Model-II to write Model-II and Model-III diagnostics on. Used software to transfer the binary of the later to a Model-III. It was a good workhorse. Cringe when I see videos of guys sticking the disk in Model-II's and turn the power on. We would turn the power on, insert the disk, and reset the computer. Noticed many Model-II .. / Model-III ... videos have opted for the solid stated storage option which seem great.
I've heard that software for other TRS-80s was sometimes written on the 8-inch systems. I've always found that interesting! I think a lot of people coming into these systems from others like the Apple II just assume you can start the system with a disk in the drive, and from that perspective it makes sense. But it definitely makes me cringe. :) Solid state storage will definitely help keep these machines alive as the original media continues to fade. In my mind, floppy emulation has been THE big development for a preserving and using lesser-known systems. Definitely made them more accessible to all. Thanks for watching!
@@TJBChris Don't know about other Tandy departments but would write and assemble diagnostic software on a model-II for that computer and model-III then if needed if was tranferred over RS232 to a model-III. Another guy did the MSDOS stuff in assembly and C on a MSDOS computer and another the Xenix stuff on a Model-16b or something. Did the Coco stuff on a Coco
Could you get a TCP/IP stack and create am interface for a NAS?
Sadly, there was no TCP/IP stack for these systems back then. There was an ARCNET network available that could create a small LAN, but it didn't have IP available. By the time TCP/IP got bigger in office LANs, these systems were well on their way out to pasture. There is UUCP and micnet available over serial, which could probably make use of a NAS with some work and an intermediary. There's also a project to use a IP-to-Serial converter box to make DropBox files available on the 8" systems, but the IP stack isn't within the Tandy system at all.
@TJBChris Bannon Vines was bearly a thing back when these .achines were released. I was thinking could a NIC be built, abd is thefe enough resources to build a TCP stack. The other thing is how would you get TRSDOS to recognize a network drive as an accessible device? Windows still uses LANMAN from tge MSDOS days, Linux and UNIX use sockets, Macs used Appletalk...so could you get a Model II on a modern lan?
Should really be 8"s, otherwise they'd be 8 feet wide
True! That sounds like something for the record books...an 8' drive. Ah the joys of overloaded punctuation...you can interpret it many ways. 😀 Thanks for watching!
It's not just Europe that writes dates correctly, it's literally every other country in the world besides the US. You stubborn Yanks -- imperial measurements, wrong date format, using Fahrenheit for some reason... Metric-ify already!
We are a stubborn bunch. I'd love to see us Metric-ify...but I'm not holding my breath. Thanks for watching!
This forecast looks… floppy? I don’t know how to dress for that. 🫤
Stay tuned for the next forecast...if dressing for floppy is...uh...difficult, I think dressing for...uh...fixed...disk storage will be even more of a challenge. 😀
Feels like ascot and a pocket protector maybe?🤔 Looking forward to it.