I believe I remember hearing the same thing, but the ironic thing is the same lift can be created just by increasing the wing another 3% so maybe it is just aesthetics🤷♂️
Differential pressures between the upper and lower wing surfaces meet at the tips, causing wingtip vortices, in turn increasing turbulence and drag. Winglets are designed to offset these effects to improve efficiency. However, they also increase weight and typically require strengthening of wing structures to accommodate them - which is why they are not always beneficial enough to justify their installation (depending on the aircraft type and performance operating envelope).
I don't know who told you that the winglet doesn't serve a purpose😂 It does. It reduces wing tip vortices and reduces fuel burn. Not sure of the percentages on this model, but a short sesrch should give you nore information. Daher does nothing by accident. The 930 introduced the G3000. Have a great day.
I mean in general. On this airplane probably not. I worked with a company in a similar single engine turboprop where we were also trying winglets for looks but they made performance much worse so they were cancelled. (Our wing was larger than tbm so they probably don’t have a big performance hit like we did). Marketing is powerful. If they want winglets they get winglets. Not by accident lol but doesn’t serve a purpose aerodynamically. That airplane would need to be up really high and for winglets to serve a purpose. 31K at 300+ knots, this plane probably isn’t seeing any benefits from winglets.
I was messing around with the 930 in flight sim. it seems stupidly easy to operate and its landing preformance is amazing. An experienced enough pilot could probably land it in 600-700 feet.
'When it comes to practicality, this one [the tbm 900] fits the bill' --Mike ojo. Hold on there fella, I think you might have passed the point of no return, mike
Former aircraft broker and current 121 guy here. Always thought it was disingenuous marketing to call these faster turboprops jet-like. Fact of the matter is just because it may be barely beat one or two bottom-barrel jets out there, they're a whole different animal. Personally I think I rather spend nearly 1 million less, get a used later model Citation 550 or an early CJ1/2/3 and use the difference towards fuel and maintenance.
Just out of curiosity, how far will that $1,000,000 go towards fuel and annuals. I gather flying a Citation gets pretty pricey. How about a Cirrus jet?
@@grafhilgenhurst9717 well it's been nearly a decade since I've done this and the vision didn't even exist jet. But for a citation bravo nowadays the running costs would probably be about $2k an hour. If you fly it for about 300 hours or so a year. Hourly rate would go up if you fly less because the fixed costs like insurance and hangars get divided between less flights. The cirrus is probably 1200 an hour or so that's just a W.A.G.
Cmon you know damn well the same principal applies and you could just get a used TBM and also save gobs of money down the road in fuel and maintenance. A million dollars will go away pretty quick maintaining 2 older jet engines... But I do agree when you look at it from a performance aspect. If you need it for your mission then you need it.
@@CrossWindsPat obviously but I'm working off the absurd assertion that it's "jet-like" so if I really want jet performance then may as well get an actual jet. Sure some of the cheaper ones won't be a whole lot faster but most will have you cruising at 45000 ft well above most weather. And as long as you can find one freshly overhauled then you won't have to worry about engine maintenance for years and there's always flat rate maintenance plans for everything else.
Man, just go ahead and say you're getting one. You've been teasing with your videos for a while. Hell, you probably already have one. You've been training in them already. LOL
According to wikipedia article about the tbm 900 it has a max speed of 380 mph. That is at 40 mph slower than the honda jet at 424mph. Cessna Citation M2 has a CRUISE spee of 465 almost 100 mph faster than tbm. Please name me 3 private jets that are slower than tbm900. I doubt you can.
I THINK YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THOSE VERTICAL FINS ON THE EDGE OF THE WINGS.I AN NOT A PILOT LIKE YOU BUT BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY THIS, EVERYTHING NO MATTER HOW SMALL ADDS UP.I LIKE FLYING ON PLANES AND I SIT BEHIND THE WINGS,YOU MIGHT NOT BELIEVE ME BUT I CAN FELL THE PLANE SHIFT POSITIONS WITH THE SLIGHTEST MOVEMENT THE WING FLAPS MAKE.
Please tell me.. even the Citation and PC-24 are faster than 300 knots.. still, this plane is impressive for a single engine turboprop, but not jet speed..
Still baby steps to get to this dream bird. I will be getting my commercial Pilot rating at lookupflightacademy.com
5 bladed prop Mike. It needs an extra blade to absorb that power without increasing diameter.
I would rather say : it needs five of shorter blades to transfer the same power as four longer blades.
I think the winglet helps with eddy turbulence at the wing edge and does help improve lift. At least in faster aircraft.
(I am not an aeronautical engineer)
I believe I remember hearing the same thing, but the ironic thing is the same lift can be created just by increasing the wing another 3% so maybe it is just aesthetics🤷♂️
Differential pressures between the upper and lower wing surfaces meet at the tips, causing wingtip vortices, in turn increasing turbulence and drag. Winglets are designed to offset these effects to improve efficiency. However, they also increase weight and typically require strengthening of wing structures to accommodate them - which is why they are not always beneficial enough to justify their installation (depending on the aircraft type and performance operating envelope).
Those winglets reduces the drag of pressure differential below and over the wing, increases efficiency of aircraft.
I don't know who told you that the winglet doesn't serve a purpose😂 It does. It reduces wing tip vortices and reduces fuel burn. Not sure of the percentages on this model, but a short sesrch should give you nore information. Daher does nothing by accident.
The 930 introduced the G3000.
Have a great day.
I wrote “eddy turbulence” in my comment but tip vortices was better phrasing. Thank you!
I mean in general. On this airplane probably not. I worked with a company in a similar single engine turboprop where we were also trying winglets for looks but they made performance much worse so they were cancelled. (Our wing was larger than tbm so they probably don’t have a big performance hit like we did). Marketing is powerful. If they want winglets they get winglets. Not by accident lol but doesn’t serve a purpose aerodynamically. That airplane would need to be up really high and for winglets to serve a purpose. 31K at 300+ knots, this plane probably isn’t seeing any benefits from winglets.
The TBM 900 series is my favorite civilian aircraft, hopefully, I'll get to fly one as a pursue my carrier as a pilot.
I was messing around with the 930 in flight sim. it seems stupidly easy to operate and its landing preformance is amazing. An experienced enough pilot could probably land it in 600-700 feet.
'When it comes to practicality, this one [the tbm 900] fits the bill' --Mike ojo. Hold on there fella, I think you might have passed the point of no return, mike
Brother, how many of us, do you think can afford TBM's? I like your reviews because I'm an aviation geek, because that about it.
Former aircraft broker and current 121 guy here. Always thought it was disingenuous marketing to call these faster turboprops jet-like. Fact of the matter is just because it may be barely beat one or two bottom-barrel jets out there, they're a whole different animal. Personally I think I rather spend nearly 1 million less, get a used later model Citation 550 or an early CJ1/2/3 and use the difference towards fuel and maintenance.
Just out of curiosity, how far will that $1,000,000 go towards fuel and annuals. I gather flying a Citation gets pretty pricey. How about a Cirrus jet?
@@grafhilgenhurst9717 well it's been nearly a decade since I've done this and the vision didn't even exist jet. But for a citation bravo nowadays the running costs would probably be about $2k an hour. If you fly it for about 300 hours or so a year. Hourly rate would go up if you fly less because the fixed costs like insurance and hangars get divided between less flights. The cirrus is probably 1200 an hour or so that's just a W.A.G.
@@aerialbugsmasher Such a huge gap between the Baron, Aztec and Cirrus SR-20s that I am flying now and any "next step" aircraft!
Cmon you know damn well the same principal applies and you could just get a used TBM and also save gobs of money down the road in fuel and maintenance. A million dollars will go away pretty quick maintaining 2 older jet engines...
But I do agree when you look at it from a performance aspect. If you need it for your mission then you need it.
@@CrossWindsPat obviously but I'm working off the absurd assertion that it's "jet-like" so if I really want jet performance then may as well get an actual jet. Sure some of the cheaper ones won't be a whole lot faster but most will have you cruising at 45000 ft well above most weather. And as long as you can find one freshly overhauled then you won't have to worry about engine maintenance for years and there's always flat rate maintenance plans for everything else.
5 blade
Man, just go ahead and say you're getting one. You've been teasing with your videos for a while. Hell, you probably already have one. You've been training in them already. LOL
Thank you 🙏
Make sure the plane is clean before doing your videos, you did the TBM an injustice from my prospective 😢
That is a thing of beauty!
Amazing beautiful bird
Amo esse avião TBM 900
Have you sold your Sling TSI yet?
Sweet looking bird. Great video😎
Very nice. Enjoy your weekend going into the holiday. #salute my gud brotha!!!!!!
Nice tuto. Keep up
I LOVE THAT PLANE AND ITS SMALLER BROTHERS,BUT THE EXHAUST,THEY SHOULD MAKE A COVERING FOR THEM,THEY INTERFERE WITH THE BEAUTY OF THE PLANE.
The winglets smooth airflow and reduce drag
i hope one day you can make a comparisen between velocity and others in his class.....
which TBM you going to get?😀
Got a question 900tw comes up as a tbm 700 not a tbm930
I think the TBM is the best looking in its class, much better looking then the Epic
Why doesn't anyone talks about the TBM 200 series?
According to wikipedia article about the tbm 900 it has a max speed of 380 mph. That is at 40 mph slower than the honda jet at 424mph. Cessna Citation M2 has a CRUISE spee of 465 almost 100 mph faster than tbm.
Please name me 3 private jets that are slower than tbm900. I doubt you can.
How much to charter a plane like that
T.B.m. turbo bladed monster
Mike
TBM stands for Tarbes Built Mooney.
Will it take Jet-Bio fuel ? By NESTE ?
👍❣️ Thanks
930 is G3000 Too👍🏼
I don’t see the link for this guys school
Count the blades Mike.
My dream
“4 bladed prop” He says 😅
Teaching people how to grow a YT channel but can’t count blades….
I am amazed this dude is a pilot and still alive.
Tbm900
I THINK YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THOSE VERTICAL FINS ON THE EDGE OF THE WINGS.I AN NOT A PILOT LIKE YOU BUT BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY THIS, EVERYTHING NO MATTER HOW SMALL ADDS UP.I LIKE FLYING ON PLANES AND I SIT BEHIND THE WINGS,YOU MIGHT NOT BELIEVE ME BUT I CAN FELL THE PLANE SHIFT POSITIONS WITH THE SLIGHTEST MOVEMENT THE WING FLAPS MAKE.
4 bladed prop? try 5
What rock did U crawl from under?
Faster than which private jets? 😀
At least the old SLOWtation 500-series (Near-Jet...).
I think you know one particular jet I’m talking about 😄
@@mojogrip Fair
@@EJWash57 yup
Please tell me.. even the Citation and PC-24 are faster than 300 knots.. still, this plane is impressive for a single engine turboprop, but not jet speed..
So it's about as fast as a A340...just kidding...
Can you get a potty?
You're the first black person that I've Ever heard of able to fly a plane, is that legal though?
Do you feel better now?
Winglets " supposedly" help with keeping altitude and altitude stability.....