I'm the 7 ft giant on the right end of the IU snare line and i just wanted to say that SCSU was SICK! those guys were so cool and I had a blast drumming with them Props to both lines! Probably the most fun I've had in a line. =]
Both schools put on a show. I have marched for a corp style band in high school and for a black university show band. Both styles are unique and entertaining. Both of these lines threw it down and I would say it is a tie due to the different styles and showmanship.
Such a great time! So glad SCSU was able to come up to this game. Wish we could have played some more and talked a bit, but it was great to play with you all! - IU cymbal player
Nice exchange. This was a wonderful case of apples and oranges. This needs to happen more often among HBCU bands. Who knows? It might help other lines improve, if not innovate, in the process.
I see Indiana University’s drum line played “ Latin Lover” by Jim Casalla, legendary percussion arranger, and head percussion instructor for both Santa Clara Vanguard and the Cavaliers. Nice percussion feature 👍👍
"They're two drum lines that take two different approaches. So it's not really fair to pick a winner." I agree, well said! Case in point are the way that each group interprets their changes and rhythm combos within their perspective cadences.
Shoutout and mad props to all the guys and gals in the SCSU Drumline! It's not often we get a chance to drum with any drumlines outside of the Big Ten and this will definitely go down as one of the best drum offs we've had in the history of the IU Drumline. Absolute blast! Thanks again guys! -IU Bass 2
I'm the section leader at Savannah State University and I have to say out of all the HBCU conferences the MEAC has the best drumlines. I'm glad to see the trend of the HBCU drumline wanting to be more technical...it's a good movement. (I wish FAMU would get on board with it.) But yeah Bango Brothers, MDF$, ColdSteel, Sudden Impact, and Krush Groove are the lines to look for in the MEAC! NICE BATTLE.
***** Yo Son, I ain't trippin' at all! Definitely good my way. I grew up watching & listening to Delaware State practice and march... then schools like FAMU, and JSTATE back in the day use to make everybody look bad. But there's nothing like it on earth especially if the sticks are clean. One Love my Dude!
As a member of a visiting high school band that day (Seymour, mellophone 1.) I think I speak for our entire band when I say we were completly BLOWN away by both bands. As our director went to IU we do alot of big ten band performances, and the SCSU band blew everyone out of the water. You guys are all such great inspirations to high school musicans, thank you so much for such a GREAT performance :))))))
Aren't drumline battles supposed to be one part precision + one part showmanship? Every band competition I've seen have been based on both. If that's the case, while IU, one of my alma maters, was clean, SCSU completed the mix much better because IU was almost no show. And I don't care about the corp versus show band comparison, there are some corp bands which incorporate show into their battles and some show bands exhibit corp extremely well. Just saying.
Are people saying there's a "Style" difference simply because it's a black line vs a Majority white Line? Both lines played very melodic material. The make-up of the lines aside from the tenor drums (single) was the same. They both had choreography and visuals. Are they not both playing percussion instruments. Don't see much of a style difference here. Just two good lines sparring musically.
Sounding good Indiana. I haven't seen SCSU before. I LOVE the fact that they have the tradition of HSBC's in their drumming AND they have some modern technique and quality of sound in their approach too... Really nice to see them combine the two seamlessly. I'm afraid to scroll down through the comments since I'm sure the usual haters will be on here.
I know that it's any drumline's goal to play as clean as possible because that's one thing that makes watching, listening to, & playing in a drumline fun. What I mean is show bands are more visual than corp style bands so it's no argument that corps style groups tend to play their music cleaner from player to player than show style. Both groups are very good, but like I said, I don't really think it's fair to say either one is better. They're both very good for their different performance styles
i being a former member of MDFS (NSU), has always looked the other way at SCSU LIne, but the Young Lady that went to Wilson, and ole boy with the dreds have gotten my attention on UA-cam!!!! Both Lines were great, and especially proud of the two i mentioned above as well
MDFS should have been in this to. I think both lines were excellent, well played. I'm also a drummer and I was impressed. They should have a big drumline competition and everyone should be judge together on cleanliness and precision and showmanship no matter hbcu or Corp style. The competition should be HBCU AND all other college bands together and I think they should also do a mass drum session like they do at the Honda BOTB. Let's make it happen because that's one show I will not miss.
First off, shout out to IU home of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. Good to see these two squads getting a chance to showcase their skills. All those hours of practice make this 10-15 minutes all worth it for a lifetime of memories. Great job to both sides. Bongo Brothers Inc. keep doing the damn thing!
@kglasker a few of the HBCU lines (MEAC) particularly have either had instructors or members in the line that marched DCI, MDFS (Alex Blake) and Sticky (Ralph Nader) for example, so as you stated the gap is definitely starting to lessen, and over all quality in playing is definitely going up
Very impressive. I would have to call this the first tie that i have ever seen. IU excellent fundamentals, and a fair amount of soul. SCSU good technique and a lot of funk. Great job by both drum lines.
Ultimately this is whats it all about, furthering the progression of percussion as a whole! IU crushed, SCSU crushed, awesome job by both lines. I'll leave you all with this...chops are chops whether its show style or corps style. Keep crankin!!
@irdeson.Much respect..only reason i said that is because SCSU percussion instructor was a former snare drummer for the blue devils which gives them an edge on most HBCU percussion section. like i said before i love hbcu percussion section VSU, MDFS, JCSU, A&T, Albany State, BCC, Howard drumline is coming up, i live right down the street from howard and theyre stepping their game up big time. Those are some of my favorite lines. Check out the vid Scsu vs Mdfs.
@IUBboy05 Realest thing I heard all day No other band would give props to a band that's not theres and doing so you have more maturity than alot of bands imo. And yall was clean imo. -respect
This is what I'm talking about! HBCU and PWC lines exchanging cadences! Great job to my BBI FFAm, and the UI Line! That 'Roll Out' bass drum lick was nice!
I love HBCU and Div. 1 drumlines but Scsu drumline i feel is the only HBCU percussion section that can keep up with any Div 1 percussion section hands down.
I haven't seen many good college lines and I was surprised at this video. Both were pretty good but the stick height consistency of Indiana was a little better and in my opinion (solely my own) I think the togetherness looks much cooler and shows more talent because it's harder than just playing. But thumbs up to both lines.
This is epic! I'm an I.U. Alum and a drum corps vet. I was totally expecting SCSU to come out with the tradition HBCU routine. They showed their versatility by playing corps and holding their own against I.U. Way to go!
Both bands really did well. I wish I could have heard SCSU's response to IU's second go. Clearly IU took it up a notch. Lol. I think music is the great equalizer and it's awesome that these two Universities were able to get together and make magic. I do hate it was labeled as a battle but nonetheless this was great. Hopefully, this isn't an aberration but a new fad.
i respect indiana just because they went head to head with a HBCU school,most DCI schools are to scared to battle HBCU not all but most of them are. and i like indiana because unlike other DCI schools they have a lil groove with what they do. WE NEED MORE BATTLES LIKE THIS
@kglasker Much love and respect I currently play snare at Savannah State University(Krush Groove) .......... but yeah we need more percussion intructors just like the one at SCSU
IU probably was a little cleaner, but I think SCSU hung in there. I didn't even know these two played each other, and I honestly don't know how good SCSU's drumline is. It's always good to see a contrast in styles no matter the music, and some us we HBCUs need not be afraid to display or improve our technical side.
SCSU, WON HANDS DOWN! It's just like comparing hospital food to SOUL FOOD. IU, sounds good but they look like robots. SCSU, danced with their instruments and most importantly made the crowd dance!
@crunkcymbals09 technically FAMU is technical with the drums its just that they have their own style and its been that way for years. it looks like they use the moller technique though
At the people saying IU "stomped/roasted/dominated" SCSU, seriously how can say that? Because they were "super clean"? And that they played Latin Lover? Lol, come on guys. Just because someone can played Latin Lover doesn't mean they are incredibly superior or better sounding. Both schools were grooving hardcore and at the end of the day isn't that what drumming is about? Props to SCSU, their cadence was hot.
@mega man i agree with you. being a sc state alum they realy went easy on IU. i know for a fa t that state coud have come out the bag more for sure especially when someon like my self seen better drumline performance a a student on the campus andthey would then drumline the other bands drumsection socks off.
indiana beats were funkier and cleaner, but SCSU moves were flashier and entertaining (something many HBCU's have over PWCU)....I wish SCSU had played something a little longer and showcased another cadence too...I enjoyed both...Indiana playing some nice shit man....!
@Qdog2321 haha, understandable, i do the same thing with Bluecoats drumline cause i want to be a Bluecoat. I was extremely impressed with SCSU's playing quality, a lot better than other HBCU's i've seen
As a '99 grad from the mighty SCSU, I have to say IU snares were more clean and bass more punchy but SCSU wasn't far off on sound either but if you take an overall look at both... that 101 still got it but it was very close!
This reminds me of when we (NCCU DOA) played James Madison University's percussion section. It's not about winning or losing its about showcasing the similarities and differences between the two sections and styles. Big ups to SCSU AND IU for holding it Down.
I would have to agree on some parts of what you said only because I've played both sides of the tracks. I hate corp style marching but I have to admit it felt great to hear judges tapes and the percussion sections takes the least amount of hits the flag team but to honestly say no fun or swag you have to actually been there to know whats really good. And they should keep that stuff at those D1 schools cuz HBCU's get down
There is a difference between corp style and southern style. You may enjoy one more than the other, but that doesn't make it better. Trust me, "if you went to IU", it wouldn't change anything. We like the way we do things.
Cleaner? Yes. Stiff as bricks, no creativity, no feeling, somebody call a choreographer! Yes, I'm an I.U. grad. You gotta make us wanna dance, make us feel it & in order to do that you gotta FEEL it!
I'm the 7 ft giant on the right end of the IU snare line and i just wanted to say that SCSU was SICK! those guys were so cool and I had a blast drumming with them
Props to both lines! Probably the most fun I've had in a line. =]
Amen brother. We NEED more of this. I went to Howard University and I love seeing this.
That was awesome!! Both bands were off the chain!!❤❤
Nice to see an HCBU & a Corps Style/DCI drumline battle. Needs to happen more often. Props to both lines!
Both schools put on a show. I have marched for a corp style band in high school and for a black university show band. Both styles are unique and entertaining. Both of these lines threw it down and I would say it is a tie due to the different styles and showmanship.
He means an HBCU band
Black show band? Hmmm
@@g4werkzgenesisparts556 hbcu
Such a great time! So glad SCSU was able to come up to this game. Wish we could have played some more and talked a bit, but it was great to play with you all!
- IU cymbal player
Nice exchange. This was a wonderful case of apples and oranges. This needs to happen more often among HBCU bands.
Who knows? It might help other lines improve, if not innovate, in the process.
One of the best battles on youtube, we need more of this
Dude awesome!!! SCSU was laying down beats and so was IU.
This is great!
I see Indiana University’s drum line played “ Latin Lover” by Jim Casalla, legendary percussion arranger, and head percussion instructor for both Santa Clara Vanguard and the Cavaliers. Nice percussion feature 👍👍
"They're two drum lines that take two different approaches. So it's not really fair to pick a winner." I agree, well said! Case in point are the way that each group interprets their changes and rhythm combos within their perspective cadences.
I've marched corp and high step. This was the best drumline battle I have ever seen. Both drumlines sound awesome!
Man oh man these young people are very talented!!! Love this! 🥁🥁🥁🥁
Shoutout and mad props to all the guys and gals in the SCSU Drumline! It's not often we get a chance to drum with any drumlines outside of the Big Ten and this will definitely go down as one of the best drum offs we've had in the history of the IU Drumline. Absolute blast! Thanks again guys!
-IU Bass 2
idc about a winner, i just think its pretty neat, that even different styles would come together and battle like this. i haven't seen this too much.
Indiana had nicer cleaner beats, SCSU was more fun.
SCSU's dancing looks stupid.
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y u mad??? Musicianship & Choreography, bro.
@@DionTheMusician idk I kinda thought it was cringe
@@yutsi_e what you don't understand isn't stupid.
Gotta be a part 2 to this AMAZING
I'm the section leader at Savannah State University and I have to say out of all the HBCU conferences the MEAC has the best drumlines. I'm glad to see the trend of the HBCU drumline wanting to be more technical...it's a good movement. (I wish FAMU would get on board with it.)
But yeah Bango Brothers, MDF$, ColdSteel, Sudden Impact, and Krush Groove are the lines to look for in the MEAC! NICE BATTLE.
If you close your eye's and listen (highly recommended) Indiana State was way more crisp and precise!
Indiana university not indiana state
My bad SON... either way, they sound was more crisp!
LOL, ok grammar NAZI... was typing fast!
***** Yo Son, I ain't trippin' at all! Definitely good my way. I grew up watching & listening to Delaware State practice and march... then schools like FAMU, and JSTATE back in the day use to make everybody look bad. But there's nothing like it on earth especially if the sticks are clean. One Love my Dude!
James Eaton Indiana University not State.
Fantastic. I love percussion. I thought both drumlines were great!
As a member of a visiting high school band that day (Seymour, mellophone 1.) I think I speak for our entire band when I say we were completly BLOWN away by both bands. As our director went to IU we do alot of big ten band performances, and the SCSU band blew everyone out of the water. You guys are all such great inspirations to high school musicans, thank you so much for such a GREAT performance :))))))
Aren't drumline battles supposed to be one part precision + one part showmanship? Every band competition I've seen have been based on both. If that's the case, while IU, one of my alma maters, was clean, SCSU completed the mix much better because IU was almost no show. And I don't care about the corp versus show band comparison, there are some corp bands which incorporate show into their battles and some show bands exhibit corp extremely well. Just saying.
I think they were both amazing!! SCSU added more flair so therefore I would have to choose them as the winners!!
I hate to say it IU go South Carolina State in this one; but, let Norfolk State come in that!🤙🏿
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Nsu would shut them down after their first cadence.
Are people saying there's a "Style" difference simply because it's a black line vs a Majority white Line? Both lines played very melodic material. The make-up of the lines aside from the tenor drums (single) was the same. They both had choreography and visuals. Are they not both playing percussion instruments. Don't see much of a style difference here. Just two good lines sparring musically.
the style isn't the black vs white line its the lines are core style vs traditional and high step
Sounding good Indiana. I haven't seen SCSU before. I LOVE the fact that they have the tradition of HSBC's in their drumming AND they have some modern technique and quality of sound in their approach too... Really nice to see them combine the two seamlessly. I'm afraid to scroll down through the comments since I'm sure the usual haters will be on here.
Don't sleep on Indiana. Crisp and Clean. I liked both lines
both very impressive. Love to be there in person. I have no musical talent at all so I am blown away by these people. Great video!
I know that it's any drumline's goal to play as clean as possible because that's one thing that makes watching, listening to, & playing in a drumline fun. What I mean is show bands are more visual than corp style bands so it's no argument that corps style groups tend to play their music cleaner from player to player than show style. Both groups are very good, but like I said, I don't really think it's fair to say either one is better. They're both very good for their different performance styles
i being a former member of MDFS (NSU), has always looked the other way at SCSU LIne, but the Young Lady that went to Wilson, and ole boy with the dreds have gotten my attention on UA-cam!!!! Both Lines were great, and especially proud of the two i mentioned above as well
MDFS should have been in this to. I think both lines were excellent, well played. I'm also a drummer and I was impressed. They should have a big drumline competition and everyone should be judge together on cleanliness and precision and showmanship no matter hbcu or Corp style. The competition should be HBCU AND all other college bands together and I think they should also do a mass drum session like they do at the Honda BOTB. Let's make it happen because that's one show I will not miss.
First off, shout out to IU home of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.
Good to see these two squads getting a chance to showcase their skills.
All those hours of practice make this 10-15 minutes all worth it for a lifetime of memories. Great job to both sides. Bongo Brothers Inc. keep doing the damn thing!
This was a g reat battle. I didn't expect IU to battle them. Good job
@kglasker a few of the HBCU lines (MEAC) particularly have either had instructors or members in the line that marched DCI, MDFS (Alex Blake) and Sticky (Ralph Nader) for example, so as you stated the gap is definitely starting to lessen, and over all quality in playing is definitely going up
Indiana played Latin lover from DCI
I had to watch a second time, but they totally did. Not sure Latin lover would be my cadence of choice in a battle, but they were clean at least.
Nice battle! I actually prefer battles outside on tha 50, old school style. Both lines sound good!
Both drumlines are very good but scsu won that one ✔️
Very nice job to both drumlines!
Very impressive. I would have to call this the first tie that i have ever seen. IU excellent fundamentals, and a fair amount of soul. SCSU good technique and a lot of funk. Great job by both drum lines.
The nigga on Indiana side @ 6:04 was thinking "Damn..im on the wrong drumline" \
@deonteCsewell1445 if FAMU can be technical with the winds, why not the drums?
I'm a drum corps guy and I have to give props to SCSU. Nice playing and they have some definite style. I like the head bob at 3:51.
Ultimately this is whats it all about, furthering the progression of percussion as a whole! IU crushed, SCSU crushed, awesome job by both lines. I'll leave you all with this...chops are chops whether its show style or corps style. Keep crankin!!
@irdeson.Much respect..only reason i said that is because SCSU percussion instructor was a former snare drummer for the blue devils which gives them an edge on most HBCU percussion section. like i said before i love hbcu percussion section VSU, MDFS, JCSU, A&T, Albany State, BCC, Howard drumline is coming up, i live right down the street from howard and theyre stepping their game up big time. Those are some of my favorite lines. Check out the vid Scsu vs Mdfs.
that was cool =) i loved both.... but SCSU were more entertaining lol loved the sticking and all :D Indiana was very clean tho... great quality
I marched both styles too. I like both lines. They both are good. And I almost went to scsu but they didn't have my major.
IU has one of the top schools of music in the country so of course their drum line is going to play clean.
Enjoyed both drumlines. Great job!
this video would be so much better if drums didnt sound so bad on non professional cameras lol i enjoyed this video very much
i enjoyed it
@IUBboy05 Realest thing I heard all day
No other band would give props to a band that's not theres and doing so you have more maturity than alot of bands imo.
And yall was clean imo.
-respect
This is what I'm talking about! HBCU and PWC lines exchanging cadences! Great job to my BBI FFAm, and the UI Line! That 'Roll Out' bass drum lick was nice!
Big boy from SCSU snare line chopping with the serious game face on lol 🔥🔥🥁
I love HBCU and Div. 1 drumlines but Scsu drumline i feel is the only HBCU percussion section that can keep up with any Div 1 percussion section hands down.
I haven't seen many good college lines and I was surprised at this video. Both were pretty good but the stick height consistency of Indiana was a little better and in my opinion (solely my own) I think the togetherness looks much cooler and shows more talent because it's harder than just playing. But thumbs up to both lines.
This is epic! I'm an I.U. Alum and a drum corps vet. I was totally expecting SCSU to come out with the tradition HBCU routine. They showed their versatility by playing corps and holding their own against I.U. Way to go!
Playing corp traditional HBCU hmmmmm #makeitmakesense
your right. its not about how good you play, its about how much you dance right? yeah, that'll get you far
Both bands really did well. I wish I could have heard SCSU's response to IU's second go. Clearly IU took it up a notch. Lol. I think music is the great equalizer and it's awesome that these two Universities were able to get together and make magic. I do hate it was labeled as a battle but nonetheless this was great. Hopefully, this isn't an aberration but a new fad.
This was historic in so many ways..
i respect indiana just because they went head to head with a HBCU school,most DCI schools are to scared to battle HBCU not all but most of them are. and i like indiana because unlike other DCI schools they have a lil groove with what they do. WE NEED MORE BATTLES LIKE THIS
SCSU drum line was also nice in their drum beats 👍👍
I like both.
@kglasker Much love and respect I currently play snare at Savannah State University(Krush Groove) .......... but yeah we need more percussion intructors just like the one at SCSU
Bridging the gap.....you gotta love it either way
After listening to this for the third time I can hear what you're saying. IU's piece whilst less flashy was more clean and the beats were audible.
I was told many of the southern hbcu took their marching style from big 10 schools
This is so cooool!!!
That line was so clean, i could eat from it.
nice
I did not know SCSTATE drumline was this raw OMG I love it ,Taurus Lovely FAMU FALL 94
IU probably was a little cleaner, but I think SCSU hung in there. I didn't even know these two played each other, and I honestly don't know how good SCSU's drumline is. It's always good to see a contrast in styles no matter the music, and some us we HBCUs need not be afraid to display or improve our technical side.
That second number that IU played was cold blooded!
as an IU alum I am freaking stoked over this.
Indiana sounds very clean and the precision is awesome.
This is like the most classic thing ever!
Both amazing
i saw yu bell , guud job man
i applaud scsu because like that dude said, theyre a show band but the play hard crap and pretty well at that. good for them.
SCSU, WON HANDS DOWN! It's just like comparing hospital food to SOUL FOOD. IU, sounds good but they look like robots. SCSU, danced with their instruments and most importantly made the crowd dance!
@crunkcymbals09 technically FAMU is technical with the drums its just that they have their own style and its been that way for years. it looks like they use the moller technique though
is there a part 2???
i can't lie, them IU cymbals were tight!!!!
At the people saying IU "stomped/roasted/dominated" SCSU, seriously how can say that? Because they were "super clean"? And that they played Latin Lover? Lol, come on guys. Just because someone can played Latin Lover doesn't mean they are incredibly superior or better sounding.
Both schools were grooving hardcore and at the end of the day isn't that what drumming is about? Props to SCSU, their cadence was hot.
@mega man i agree with you. being a sc state alum they realy went easy on IU. i know for a fa t that state coud have come out the bag more for sure especially when someon like my self seen better drumline performance a a student on the campus andthey would then drumline the other bands drumsection socks off.
Popeyes vs chic fil a 😭
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Glad to hear another rational thought in here!
I prefer the DCI sound, but it's a fun mix from SCSU.
indiana beats were funkier and cleaner, but SCSU moves were flashier and entertaining (something many HBCU's have over PWCU)....I wish SCSU had played something a little longer and showcased another cadence too...I enjoyed both...Indiana playing some nice shit man....!
@Qdog2321 haha, understandable, i do the same thing with Bluecoats drumline cause i want to be a Bluecoat. I was extremely impressed with SCSU's playing quality, a lot better than other HBCU's i've seen
As a '99 grad from the mighty SCSU, I have to say IU snares were more clean and bass more punchy but SCSU wasn't far off on sound either but if you take an overall look at both... that 101 still got it but it was very close!
Great! This was interesting...
hell... im a drummer, and im blown away!!
Neither of these brumlines can touch "Cold Steel" at North Carolina A&T State University. Too bland and robotic!
This reminds me of when we (NCCU DOA) played James Madison University's percussion section. It's not about winning or losing its about showcasing the similarities and differences between the two sections and styles. Big ups to SCSU AND IU for holding it Down.
I would have to agree on some parts of what you said only because I've played both sides of the tracks. I hate corp style marching but I have to admit it felt great to hear judges tapes and the percussion sections takes the least amount of hits the flag team but to honestly say no fun or swag you have to actually been there to know whats really good. And they should keep that stuff at those D1 schools cuz HBCU's get down
I like how you note that. Not many would really do so. Show/Pagent bands are VERY different from Corps.
SCSU simply destroyed them. It was no competition.
lol no. Although IU was pretty dirty with Latin Lover.
I disagree strongly, both lines were about dead even
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That’s because you’re a racist
Btw, this style/technique was used by mostly every DCI corps in the 90s. Awesome. I like Indiana way more here.
There is a difference between corp style and southern style. You may enjoy one more than the other, but that doesn't make it better. Trust me, "if you went to IU", it wouldn't change anything. We like the way we do things.
Great Job on BOTH sides!!! #choppin'
go Stat(SCSU) love to see more of this in within the HBCU drumlines you don't see to many bands in the HBCU doing this its good to go out the box....
Indian may not habe the stick play....but they won this hands down,..They sound alot cleaner as an entire line.
Cleaner? Yes. Stiff as bricks, no creativity, no feeling, somebody call a choreographer! Yes, I'm an I.U. grad. You gotta make us wanna dance, make us feel it & in order to do that you gotta FEEL it!