Andrew Davies seems to be fixated on Darcy’s sexual attraction to Elizabeth. I always thought the initial and more important interest to him was her mind and vivacity.
you underestimate men's capacity to be sexually attracted to physical characteristics and for that attraction to be maximized by non-physical characteristics...
You can't separate the two when it comes to romantic love, and frankly, I don't see any reason to. He definitely didn't admire her looks *only* , but without physical attraction, you're talking about a friendship, not romantic love. Also, initial animosity can lead to or increase that kind of attraction/passion.
Mon Mothma I’m not denying the sexual attraction. It’s vital to any story of romantic love. That’s half the appeal. I simply don’t see it as intended to be a main focus with this author and referencing it in such crass terms cheapens her efforts.
@@iwillstom For what it's worth, I'm a man and I agree totally. If he'd simply said "attracted", that would have been fine, and been far more accurate, imo, since their relationship was clearly based first on a meeting of minds, and a consonance of disposition and only tertiarilly on physical admiration. And of course true love consists in the holistic union of all three, much more than mere animal lust. But his bizarre obsession with sexualising everything (which fortunately did not come through imo in the finished product) is really too much.
Actually, Charlotte Lucas is smarter than the Reverend Collins, too! Lucas just knows how to handle him to get what she needs, principally out of her parents' home.
...I was just about to write the same, when I read your comment 😊 attraction has, of course, a sexual component in it, but reducing attraction to mere "sexual attraction" doesn't fit at all in the spirit of the book... very disappointing indeed...
Glad you all agree, I thought perhaps I was over sensitive to the romance of the book . The actors did a fantastic job of keeping true to J Austin regardless of the screenwriter it would seem.
3:26 The least greedy is Jane Bennet. Lizzy was very impressed by how beautiful Darcy's property was and it made him more pleasing to her and made her regret telling no to his proposal...You see that in the scene where she looked through the window of Pemberly and said "of all this I could've been mistres..". While Jane was the one that firmly express to really want to marry for love.
The late great Michael Gough (Mr Bennett in the 1967 version), in one of those Kevin Bacon connections, also played Mr. Ramsay in an outstanding production of To The Lighthouse in 1983. Mrs. Ramsay was played by Rosemary Harris, mother of Jennifer Ehle.
@@marypagones6073Gough played a lot of this sort of character-a few years after playing Mr. Bennett, he played Mr. Maudsley in Joseph Losey's classic adaptation of The Go-Between. He was one of those actors who had a steady career playing character parts throughout his youth, often in Hammer Horror films, but in middle age he started getting a lot of high-profile work in prestige projects like Brideshead Revisted and Out of Africa. Link below to To the Lighthouse--they did a remarkable job of filming what many considered an unfilmable book, far better for my money than The Hours, with a rare leading role for Gough. He and Rosemary Harris have pitch perfect chemistry as Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, and you'll probably see a strong resemblance to her real-life daughter (Ehle is a natural blonde like Mom). I read a very poignant interview years ago in which Harris talked about playing Woolf's heroine with her own daughter on the set, and how the story brought back painful recollections of her own mother's early death. Ehle herself does not appear, unfortunately, it would have raised the profile of this telefilm that won an Emmy back in the day but is largely forgotten. Bonus, early appearance by a young, pre-fame Kenneth Branagh. Enjoy! ua-cam.com/video/x-dG2on7c8A/v-deo.html
@@texasred2702 Thank you so much for that link, I'd love to see him in a leading role! I'd seen him in Brideshead and some of the Hammer films, but he's one of those great British actors who seemed to get pigeonholed in character roles and never got a chance to fully showcase his talents.
@@susanneg2824 There is a point! Collins definitely was a person full of complexes and inhibitions. So, because of the lack of his own personality, he was constantly building "the picture of the ideal dude from a province". Of course in his mind, he was the best pretender to this title. The perfect personification of a servant! The little worm with huge ambitions...
Please have pride and prejudice be shown in TVs the version of Elizabeth Bennett and mr Darcy one weekend please. I love it very much would keep on watching it again and again. I love the romance between Elizabeth and Darcy. A true love story which is very eternal. I love mr Darcy's staring full of love and affection. I love Mr Darcy's love confession the conversation between him and Elizabeth. The ending was very truly romantic the wedding and the happiness on their faces and the kissing. I hope there will be another novel on how they got on as husband and wife perhaps with their children please I will be waiting.
3:09 again I respectfully disagree: Mrs Bennett did realized Mr Darcy was a good catch but she couldn't take his slying poor Lizzie and, for the only time in the whole novel, she didn't let herself guide by money on her decision of not liking him was the only time that she was honestly displeased with a rich person.
0:57: I respectfully disagree:. Mr Collins noticed that Mary made a fool of herself in the parties, trying to show off. She didn't perform well on the pianoforte and she sang awfully so Mrs Catherine de Brough would never approve her.
3:35 that kiss was awful. Couldn't they take another take? So false! So uncomfortable!. I always skip that part. No. Do t like it. I am glad you did this video so I could tell you. (27 years later .booooo) This tv series deserved a better ending! ... Not satisfying at all..I think that you were so concerned on being different from the best adaptation, 1942 with Greer Garson and Sir Laurence Oliver, that you went to the other extreme!. That 1942 adaptation is the one that has little to do with the book, still....the best one. . In the book, all the Bennetts we're beautiful. Jane the best, but, in your adaptation, two of them are not beautiful. Again, 1942 wins. And Mrs Bennett screams too much. Again you tried to distance yourselves from the 1942 version. I know is supposed to be annoying! But, again, 1942 wins. Mrs Mary Boland is the best Mrs Bennett ever.
Andrew Davies seems to be fixated on Darcy’s sexual attraction to Elizabeth. I always thought the initial and more important interest to him was her mind and vivacity.
you underestimate men's capacity to be sexually attracted to physical characteristics and for that attraction to be maximized by non-physical characteristics...
@@Guillhez No I do not. Davies is simply a perv. Sue Birtwistle admits as much.
You can't separate the two when it comes to romantic love, and frankly, I don't see any reason to. He definitely didn't admire her looks *only* , but without physical attraction, you're talking about a friendship, not romantic love. Also, initial animosity can lead to or increase that kind of attraction/passion.
Mon Mothma I’m not denying the sexual attraction. It’s vital to any story of romantic love. That’s half the appeal. I simply don’t see it as intended to be a main focus with this author and referencing it in such crass terms cheapens her efforts.
@@iwillstom For what it's worth, I'm a man and I agree totally. If he'd simply said "attracted", that would have been fine, and been far more accurate, imo, since their relationship was clearly based first on a meeting of minds, and a consonance of disposition and only tertiarilly on physical admiration. And of course true love consists in the holistic union of all three, much more than mere animal lust. But his bizarre obsession with sexualising everything (which fortunately did not come through imo in the finished product) is really too much.
This programme of perspectives is an absolute joy.
Every man with whom I have had a long relationship has thought only about what he could get from me.
Actually, Charlotte Lucas is smarter than the Reverend Collins, too! Lucas just knows how to handle him to get what she needs, principally out of her parents' home.
Andrew appears to be sexually focused. There is so much more to this book
Yeah, the guy came off as something of a pervert.
@@Coachgerri Agreed
...I was just about to write the same, when I read your comment 😊 attraction has, of course, a sexual component in it, but reducing attraction to mere "sexual attraction" doesn't fit at all in the spirit of the book... very disappointing indeed...
Glad you all agree, I thought perhaps I was over sensitive to the romance of the book . The actors did a fantastic job of keeping true to J Austin regardless of the screenwriter it would seem.
Exactly. They want to shove us with their concepts of "sexual attraction". I didn't perceive that..thank God!
3:26 The least greedy is Jane Bennet. Lizzy was very impressed by how beautiful Darcy's property was and it made him more pleasing to her and made her regret telling no to his proposal...You see that in the scene where she looked through the window of Pemberly and said "of all this I could've been mistres..".
While Jane was the one that firmly express to really want to marry for love.
The 1967 Mr. Bennet is delightful!
The late great Michael Gough (Mr Bennett in the 1967 version), in one of those Kevin Bacon connections, also played Mr. Ramsay in an outstanding production of To The Lighthouse in 1983. Mrs. Ramsay was played by Rosemary Harris, mother of Jennifer Ehle.
@@texasred2702 Indeed! I wish we could see more of his performance in this video.
@@marypagones6073Gough played a lot of this sort of character-a few years after playing Mr. Bennett, he played Mr. Maudsley in Joseph Losey's classic adaptation of The Go-Between. He was one of those actors who had a steady career playing character parts throughout his youth, often in Hammer Horror films, but in middle age he started getting a lot of high-profile work in prestige projects like Brideshead Revisted and Out of Africa. Link below to To the Lighthouse--they did a remarkable job of filming what many considered an unfilmable book, far better for my money than The Hours, with a rare leading role for Gough. He and Rosemary Harris have pitch perfect chemistry as Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, and you'll probably see a strong resemblance to her real-life daughter (Ehle is a natural blonde like Mom). I read a very poignant interview years ago in which Harris talked about playing Woolf's heroine with her own daughter on the set, and how the story brought back painful recollections of her own mother's early death. Ehle herself does not appear, unfortunately, it would have raised the profile of this telefilm that won an Emmy back in the day but is largely forgotten. Bonus, early appearance by a young, pre-fame Kenneth Branagh. Enjoy!
ua-cam.com/video/x-dG2on7c8A/v-deo.html
@@texasred2702 Thank you so much for that link, I'd love to see him in a leading role! I'd seen him in Brideshead and some of the Hammer films, but he's one of those great British actors who seemed to get pigeonholed in character roles and never got a chance to fully showcase his talents.
thank you for uploading this- I have watched the whole thing!
Ironic is Collins did not married Mary. They perfect suits to each other!
Collins thought so much of himself, he felt ENTITLED to beauty. Though Charlotte wasn’t lovely, she was at least more fair than Mary.
@@susanneg2824 There is a point! Collins definitely was a person full of complexes and inhibitions. So, because of the lack of his own personality, he was constantly building "the picture of the ideal dude from a province". Of course in his mind, he was the best pretender to this title. The perfect personification of a servant! The little worm with huge ambitions...
Well said, Tom!
An excellent informative and enjoyable documentary ! Thanx !
I would be appalled by Mr. Collins manners and lack of true intelligence.
Please have pride and prejudice be shown in TVs the version of Elizabeth Bennett and mr Darcy one weekend please. I love it very much would keep on watching it again and again. I love the romance between Elizabeth and Darcy. A true love story which is very eternal. I love mr Darcy's staring full of love and affection. I love Mr Darcy's love confession the conversation between him and Elizabeth. The ending was very truly romantic the wedding and the happiness on their faces and the kissing. I hope there will be another novel on how they got on as husband and wife perhaps with their children please I will be waiting.
Есть фильм "Смерть приходит в Пемберли". Актеры другие совсем. Но сюжет - детектив.
@@user-s3t13e23d for me...it does not preflect how the couple would have led their life.
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No ..nobody could surpass or equal Jane Austen!
There are a lot of "sequels" in the libraries but none satisfies as the original.
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You can buy the DVD. It's only $20.
There’s a really nice sequel book focused on Mary. It’s called The Other Bennett Sister by Janice Hadlow. It would be great on film.
3:09 again I respectfully disagree: Mrs Bennett did realized Mr Darcy was a good catch but she couldn't take his slying poor Lizzie and, for the only time in the whole novel, she didn't let herself guide by money on her decision of not liking him was the only time that she was honestly displeased with a rich person.
Is that Vivian Pickles in the 1967 Mrs. Bennett role?
Yes, it is.
0:57: I respectfully disagree:. Mr Collins noticed that Mary made a fool of herself in the parties, trying to show off. She didn't perform well on the pianoforte and she sang awfully so Mrs Catherine de Brough would never approve her.
,,,tak duźo miłości,a jeden tylko pocałunek,,,
3:35 that kiss was awful. Couldn't they take another take? So false! So uncomfortable!. I always skip that part. No. Do t like it. I am glad you did this video so I could tell you. (27 years later .booooo) This tv series deserved a better ending! ... Not satisfying at all..I think that you were so concerned on being different from the best adaptation, 1942 with Greer Garson and Sir Laurence Oliver, that you went to the other extreme!. That 1942 adaptation is the one that has little to do with the book, still....the best one.
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In the book, all the Bennetts we're beautiful. Jane the best, but, in your adaptation, two of them are not beautiful. Again, 1942 wins. And Mrs Bennett screams too much. Again you tried to distance yourselves from the 1942 version. I know is supposed to be annoying! But, again, 1942 wins. Mrs Mary Boland is the best Mrs Bennett ever.