Amen brother! I’m glad you are humble enough to be convicted on these things. I know I’ve had to go back and delete a not insignificant number of my posts on several occasions after being convicted on how I was treating others. It’s very easy for our zeal to become sinful
Isn’t it good to discuss (in a good spirit) with our brothers and sisters, rather than just swallow our words and thoughts. So the quote is “shut up, get into the Bible, and then speak”. So not remain silent but have our arguments informed by Scripture rather than just blurt out bile or venom.
@@bpeper1365 Cooper has a thin skin. He should stop trying to tell other people what to do. Instead, why doesn't Cooper point out that spewing profanity marks the person as a fake Christian? Maybe because Cooper is a wacked out liberal?
Few things: firstly, when I am engaging with people people are far more receptive when I am nice to them. You’ll never believe how many times people will say “I wish I grew up in a church like yours,” or “with Christians like you,” or “you’re the nicest Christian I’ve met.” It’s saddening to me as people only come to know these sorts of grouchy Christians with not love but hate in their hearts. I remember when I was first coming to Christ in High School some of the nastiest things would be said to me by Trad Catholics, acting if they were superior to me (even as they were talking about when they would well…watch content not suitable for a Christian). It was enraging to the non-Christians I was around, and repelled them from Christianity. This leads me to the second point: the commandment against taking the Lord’s name in vain it’s really all that much about using God’s name as a curse word. In the original context it meant that one should represent God well as God’s chosen people, as God would be judged not necessarily by His own works but by those He called his people. Which is something very important, when we act without love and people see it they assume that it is what Christianity is about.
The culture is lost in sin, but so am I. I did not come to Christ because I am better than them, I came to Christ because God showed mercy on me. May I show mercy on others.
Great video, Dr. Cooper. I've run into this same "Boniface Option" theonomist group myself, and while I appreciate what you shared from Luther, I think some of these (mostly young guys from my vantage point) would shrug and say, "So what, doctor man? Boniface is our guy." But if you point out that even Boniface, when faced with murderous pagans and his own men picking up their swords to fight, turned to Romans 12 and laid down his life (and his men's lives) rather than disobey God's Word and "repay evil with evil", they've been more open to hearing about that in my experience.
Reverend, as one of your Reformed subscribers,I appreciate this message. There is a group of mostly young-er Reformed men who don’t understand this. It seems to blend with their eschatology and inability to separate their Americanism from their Christianity, and a very narrow view of masculinity.
Unfortunately 90% of the "trads," whether Catholic or Orthodox or Protestant, on Twitter are more interested in "owning" their rivals than in Christianity.
@@MC-dn4qs it doesnt match the tone of any of the several dozen hours of his work that I've watched and learned and enjoyed and benefitted from but dangit it's got some punch and I'd wear something like that
Probably the most fiery video I've ever seen from you. Well-put. There's a time under the Sun for every work but we would do well to herd the admonitions of Scripture on control of our tongue.
Thanks for this. One of the things that I am troubled by is that often Christians are two-faced. In front of the public we might try to be better behaved. But then in private we revert to the “locker room” discourse when it comes to talking about others and the government. We have to call each other out on this.
I want to write another comment Dr. Cooper. I appreciate you spending so much time on this topic and the topics of etiquette, a gentlemanly class, etc especially as it comes from you, being a theological authority and clear traditional, orthodox Christian. The Christian culture I find myself in is very concerned with a few sins, namely physical vices, and hardly speaks a word towards our calls and commands to cultivate virtue, maturity, and honorable conducts and dispositions as evidence of our faith. I fear many who have grown in either pop evangelicalism or dead traditionalism are ignoring a large area of sin in their life, whether that's due to isolated legalism or carefree transactional forgiveness. We are called to be the army of God, yes, but our sword is the Spirit, and the fruits of that spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self control. Thank you again for being a strong advocate for the Christian ideals of conduct, where our lack of strong upbringing and positive cultural influence make it tempting and easy to embrace ideas of self-importance, aggression, and malice. Peace.
I can't believe a 48 minutes video is needed to explain this to some people. Like, this ain't rocket science, Scripture is abundantly clear as you point out. (Not knocking the length of the video, but those who necessitated the video be made).
I am most certainly guilty of behaviors condemmed here and will have to better my self in this regard as in many others. Thank you Dr. Cooper for making this video. It is one I fear that I will have to return to every now and then. Greetings from Germany. May God bless you, your work and your family.
Thank for sharing this! I have felt what you are saying for so long but have felt very alone in this view. I appreciate you being willing to post on this!
Very true, I've definitely been guilty of speaking ill of our leaders. Fair criticism of bad policies is one thing, low-blow name calling is another, there's definitely no place for the second one for Christians.
I remember when I first became Catholic, I was maybe a bit too radtrad when it comes to this stuff. Luckily I’ve since moved on from that and Catholicism and been much better at being respectful though I still have my faults
Amen, brother! Being passionate with the truth can be tarnished by pride or wrath. I’m still dealing with it, too, when it comes to slanderous comments to our faith.
A gentleman is someone who never insulted anyone by accident I would add a gentleman is someone who never insults someone who doesn't deserve it and benifit from it .
I have begun reading "A Martyr's Faith in a Faithless World" by Bryan Wolfmueller from Concordia Publishing House. It is helping me to reorient my thinking.
Christians who consider themselves "trad" should really re-think whether it's a good idea for them to continue advocating for us to ignore the explicit commands of our Lord Jesus Christ in favor of practicing worldly justice. Apostles and prophets had a unique authority to lead the Church in ways that sometimes included harsh language (although it was against heretics, not against people outside of the faith...). We as lay people were not given that directive, we were told to be merciful and to forgive.
Great video Dr. Cooper. People who behave in such a manner are immature children dealing with issues. We should pray God causes them to repent and grow up.
Couldn't be more correct Dr. Cooper. My only question is not to argue, only a request for your wisdom. How should a Christian citizen pursue government reform if he is called to suffer under it? Perhaps I don't understand enough to articulate what I mean. If a governing authority is one that does not follow its own laws, is there reason to resist in a Christian way? Is there a Christian way to resist? I just am trying to make sense of this. I have decided that I will not resist unless something is expressly against God's Word, so I am not looking for a reason to resist, just curious what you think.
I believe he made a video about the doctrine of the lesser magistrate, where he touches that topic. It’s the historical protestant way in which tiranny can be resisted.
10 minutes in, and love this video. Others need to hear, I need to hear, and Christians who feel like they come up on the short side of arguments need to be encouraged by this. To something else: I know you have your ministry to perform, and while I appreciate many of your videos on the Confessions, non-Lutheran faiths, philosophy, and all that--and they all have their place in your podcasts--I personally would like to see a larger balance of your presentations that explicitly talk about or apply the Scriptures. Just a word from someone who appreciates what you do and how you teach. Keep it up!
Thanks jordan. As an older man now who was pretty unhinged in my younger years, I appreciated this message. I'm just glad there wasn't social media around then.
Regarding the “anything related to bodily life” quote from Luther, there is something similar in the trial of Maximus the Confessor where he says “Anything the emperor commands of me that will be wiped away by the passage of time, I will do.”
Really great video! I remember when a lot of American Christian public figures I like, were laughing and cheering about the ‘let’s go Brandon’ thing. The Bible very explicitely condemns these sort of actions. Not that I’m any better, because during corona I thought that I was justified to ignore the rules of the Government. Biblically, the only rules Christians were allowed to ignore, were rules against Church gatherings. I’m really happy that I live in Europe, where I can learn from Christian friends how I should behave. We have way less ‘f the Government, they can’t tell me what to do’ in our culture.
Very upset about this type of thing happening. The Bible could not be more clear about our conduct. The fruits of the spirit are love, joy, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. Period. Thank you so much for this video. Unfortunately I am not hopeful that those who need to hear it most will see it. Good reminder for us all either way. Peace.
Sadly, it's the online ortho bros like Andrew Wilson who need to hear this the most, yet they would completely dismiss it because it's coming from a protestant.
Hi Dr Cooper! I was wondering if you could make a video discussing the effectiveness of street preaching. It seems to me that many street preachers are disrespectful, argumentative and antagonistic, which makes it difficult for them to gain respect or be taken seriously. However, their boldness and approach can be comparable to what Jesus, John the Baptist, and the Apostles were doing in the streets. I think it would be interesting to explore this topic, especially since you are involved in campus ministry and have experience with how young people react to street preachers. I'm curious about how much etiquette should be valued in these contexts and what the proper way to evangelize people in public is in our modern society. Thank you!
Dear Dr. Cooper, thanks for all the work that you do. You really are a great gift to the church! Can you give some more information about the Lenski (?!) commentary, please? Google disappointed me... Are there any other Bible commentaries by Lutherans that you would recommend? I have been looking for a while now. Thank you and God bless. Best regards from Germany
Just & Sinner publishes Kretzmann's commentaries on the Old Testament and the Lutheran Commentary Series volumes on the New Testament. Lenski is no longer in print, but you can find his commentaries on Logos.
One of the biggest takeaways of the Lord of the Ring, is that we can't win using the Enemy's evil weapons. Also, I wonder what these people think about the sermon on the mountain.
I have rarely found insults and name calling to be an effective form of persuasion. You won't convince your adversary but you might persuade the non affiliated. Of course, we all know the good Dr. Luther had his own expressive means of communication.
It’s sad that a lot of Christian apologists have been the one’s doing a lot of the mentioned, setting a terrible example for how we should talk about faith. More reasons I love this channel, not only does it preach Christ it acts in line with Christ.
Are you saying that those instances these defenders turn to (Eli vs Prophets of Baal, Jesus flipping tables, John saying brood of vipers) are evil and malicious speaking when done by anyone other than that Prophet or by Christ?
I think they are generally to be used by those who have been called to specific vocations in which that is appropriate (pastors, teachers in the church, etc.). And they should be done carefully and with precision.
@@DrJordanBCooper thanks for the answer. So this is basically the same thing that Douglas Wilson would say with the exception of vocation. I think it would be broadened to Christians.
On submission to authority It is very much my impression that Americans have made rebeliousness as part of their national identity. This is unhealthy from a Christian point of view. I myself am very critical of certain Founding Fathers that are highly regarded on the Right-Wing, like Thomas Jeffersson, for his very pro-rebellious remarks. Furthermore, a lot of the founding ideas behind our modern government, in America as well as my own country of Norway, are based upon a very loose respect for authority. Disrespect for authority is a large part of why I am against liberalism and identify with the conservative tradition of Edmund Burke. I say all this to give you context that I myself am not one of these people who say "We should overthrow the government" types. However, when it comes to resistance to government as a principle, you are giving the impression here that there NEVER are any reasons to resist the government violently. That Christians are NEVER to try and stop a tyrant, NEVER to defend their own communities and families with the sword and NEVER to depose an evil ruler. And you give the impression that all of this is what Luther taught and believed, but you leave out that Luther changed his mind. Luther actually did start to believe that one rightfully could resist evil and fight against it with the sword, but that this was not something to jump fast to. In his later years Luther moved more and more towards a position of rightful resistance towards the Emperor. This both based upon judicial and theological grounds. He died before giving a clear view of the right of resistance but Lutheran theologians who studied under both Luther and Melanchthon, developed the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate in the Magdesburg Confession. The argument boils down that we as citizens are not called to be executers of justice or punish the wicked. That office belongs to the Magistrates. However, it belongs just as much to the Lesser Magistrate as the Higher Magistrate. 1 Peter 14 which you quote says "or to governors as sent by him". The Lesser Magistrate are duty bound "to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good". When the Higher Magistrates fails in their duty to punish evil, and not only tolerates but promotes evil and rather than praise good, they persecute and punish those that do good, it is the duty of the Lesser Magistrate, as far as it is in their power, to resist the Higher Magistrate. When Nero, whom you cite as an example, became a tyrant, what was his fate? The Lesser Magistrates justly ended his tyrannical rule by killing him. They did their duty that God had given them when He put them in their positions of power. The Magdesburg Confession is clear that this resistance towards authority is not to be taken liberally. It is often better to suffer than to cause resistance and civil war is not a laughing matter. They even outline four cases of abuse, with the second and third one, being when rule is tyrannical, they are allowed to violently resist but it is not commanded and it should only be used if the abuse is very severe and on a large scale. But in the fourth category, when the tyrant becomes more than a tyrant, but a Beerwolf, one is duty bound to resist. I am not saying this to encourage armed issurrection or resistance. I said earlier, I am in the tradition of Burke and detest revolutions and want to reform peacefully, rather than violently. My point is in clarifying that Christians are not called to merely suffer injustice if they are in a position, such as a lower magistrate is, to stop it. If a Christian happened to be part of the Praetorian Guard or a General in the Roman Army, he would not sin if he resisted Nero and tried to depose him when he persecuted the Church. A Christian in such a position should of course obey the command of Christ and the Apostles to obey authority, but not when it subverts the duties God laid down for those in authority, namely: "to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good"
I'm totally agreed with you on all of this. Christians who receive a vocation in political office can and do have to make difficult decisions about governance, which at (rare) times means overthrowing the higher magistrate. I'm talking here to the average Christian who wants some kind of populist revolution which is more Akin to the peasants revolts than the issues you are speaking of here.
The message I'm hearing is that we must let our children be destroyed because the gubment would have it so. This is worse than cowardice, worse than treachery, and even worse than the devils who rule over us. It is the religion of Molech.
One minor point is that Burke did at times support revolution. He was a firm defender of the Americans during the revolution-in fact that’s how he would make an international name for himself. He actually would become acquaintances with many of the founders. Him and Thomas Paine would actually spend a week together at his house. He spoke highly of the Glorious Revolution of 1688, and in fact would later brand himself as an “Old Whig,” following the publication of the Reflections on the Revolution in France. What Burke objected to was that the revolution in France was about destroying order, rather than building it up. What he saw in his “American Crisis,” and the Glorious Revolution of 1688, was a people defending the order which had been given to them by their ancestors.
@@DrJordanBCooper Yes, I suspected that you directed your focus towards populist revolutionaries, which I also am against for both practical and ethical reasons (It would not work and even if it did it goes against Christ's commands). That being said, you lacked a quallifier for when resistance is warranted, and your words could be interpreted as always suffering rather than resisting and restoring. I have also found that what you say in the video, about focusing on yourself, worshipping God despite the evil in society is healthier. However, I also believe one should focus on changing the system, that Christians need to learn more about how power works and see what ways we can affect society. You are absolutely correct that name-calling and being vicious is not the best course of action, that we should be a light in the world.
Fully support you. We already lost the first culture war using worldly tactics . But even that matters not - scripture tells us what to do . And Jesus could supernaturally read people’s hearts
I just started watching, but I don’t know how the Christian can take Paul seriously in Col 4:5-6 and be purposefully degrading with their speech toward others.
Oh my... I can. Maybe that's because you live with your head in the sand. Paul is speaking of your everyday conversations with unbelievers..... I completely understand that. Now apply that attitude when your family is being attacked. If you take Paul's words serious in that role... you're in another world.
@@muddobber1621nobody is advocating that you don’t defend your family if they’re being physically attacked…? But at the same time realize that during the great persecutions, men willingly died for Christ. Not even were just caught and accepted it, but presented themselves knowing the consequences.
Most Christians honestly don't "take Paul seriously," they use his confusing, pharisaical writings to justify all kinds of error. Someone else said, "When Christians like what God says, they quote him. When they don't like what God said, they quote Jesus. And when they don't like what Jesus said, they quote Paul."
Never once have I seen anyone refer to the modern state and culture as pagan. Pagan to most people online refers to nationalists online who hate Christianity because it’s “Jewish”
I also think many of these anons comment on stuff like this and engage in name-calling simply because the internet has allowed almost everyone access to plenty of resources and they think that they have attained seminary-level knowledge simply by reading up quotes and clips of texts that seem in their favor when a holistic approach would say otherwise.
1st Corinthians Chapter 13: 4-7 4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable; it keeps no record of wrongs; 6 it does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Exceptional, sir! “Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;” (Hebrews 12:14-15) We are to be agents of God's grace - people around us should find undeserved favor from God in us even if they are aggressively caustic, heretical, rejected, or pagan. We can say no without abandoning the visibility of Christ in us! Very much appreciate your exhortation here!
Polemics and even humor have always been the hallmark of the prophetic nature of the people of God from the Old Testament saints, through the Apostles and Church fathers, Reformer to Pentecostal street preachers. Of course this doesn't justify careless use of crude language, but by the same token Anglo-sensitivities and puritanical faux piety are also to be rejected. Some Christians are just humorless scolds...
Sir there are many so called Christians that know nothing about how to be Christian. Unfortunately the gospels tell us how to act but it doesn’t tell us how to do what we are taught. Like how do we love our neighbor or enemy when I don’t love my wife or kids all the time. Like how do we turn the other cheek? Yea to be able to be a Christian should be our goal. Ppl need to stop assuming the name without having really struggled with themselves.
I agree with your sentiment. However I do think we should not pretend like we are the same as liberal chrisitan. I do not consider the churches who have gay pastors to be christian or saved at all. They may claim the title of christian but they arent. That all being said i agree with you
I think calling a spade a spade and pointing out false teachings from pastors is more than appropriate. They may find it offensive, but when they reject the clearest and simplest doctrine in the Bible, it’s hard to say they are Christian or saved.
That still doesn't absolve you of the requirement to tame the tongue and show love in both word and deed if you listen to what he is saying. Yes, we might not be super delicate with our friend cheating on his wife and ruining his marriage and salvation by remaining in unrepentance, but we are still called to properly witness both the law and gospel in love. You can take language and the place of your heart too far to not rebuke error, but to try and demean or belittle people and this is simply becoming of a Christian.
@@CJ2345ishwould you say it is demeaning and belittling to call a gay pastor as such? Or to call those not Christian or not saved, in a church who appoints and sits under a gay pastor?
@nateopfer7542 If the pastor is gay, it would not be be inappropriate to say he's gay and call him to repent and abstain from life lifestyle if he's not abstinent. However, what you don't get the right to do is be heinous and obscene in calling that person whatever offensive things you choose. You don't get to call people "g** r******" on Twitter was the comment Dr. Cooper shows. He is simply suggesting, as I am suggesting as well, that sterness is to be favored over harshness in these scenarios. Calling someone "A g** c** guzzler" is unbecoming of a Christian when you could say "I am worried about your lifestyle affecting your salvation and would encourage you to repent"
@@CJ2345ish Thanks for the reply. I understand that and agree that sounds heinous and obscene. Although one could just say, "I am worried about your lifestyle..." is it only good and "Christian" to say it that way? I'm not sure obscenity by itself is the evil or wrong here. Can't a Christian be carefully and precisely obscene in describing a sinful (and ultimately deadly) situation to someone? I could give an example, but I fear you may throw me in with dem' boys.
There must be a way to balance the fiery rhetoric of Jesus and some of the church fathers (Luther, for instance) with nuanced, considered and sensitive commentary on the world and its denizens.
@@TitusCastiglione1503 that John Paul II gave us a great example of a fiery response in the response to a very fraught situation. The further into suffering the clearer the example. Juxtaposed to when we argue on Twitter we tend to say nonsense at the most trivial comments
Of course I agree that name-Calling is wrong. At the same time, I think it is important to examine where these feelings come from. Christian political representatives who are elected to various political assemblies, to represent the Christian interest, often "mix up" their roles as political actors with the role of the church. In certain political context where they should have been tough and struck hard (which is their right as part of the powers that be), they have instead pointed to their "Christian virtue" or "love of neighbor", and chose not to fight. Whether it was because they had a theology that didn't distinguish clearly enough between the two kingdoms, or whether they used "their christianity" as a poor excuse - who knows. It's still a fact that the Christian politicians does not sufficiently punish those who do evil and reward those who do good. This of course creates frustration among people.
Those who know god/ have a direct relationship with Him do not need anything else. Most peoples frustrations stem from this lack of God and to fill that hole they seek politics and church. Aka legion and the pigs 🐖 of course talking about church and not Church. We of course love going to Church :)
Paul didn't speak sweetly called the judaizers dogs and accused Jews of being no better than the Gentiles. Non-Christians favorite quote is " Judge not." Every thing these days is hatred if it doesn't agree with the interlelocutor. Don't get me started about Lutherspeak
@@Christ_is_King1646 so we should be crucified physically in Golgotha ? It seems important to understand the line between god who can make judgments of good and evil and a creature who should not.
@@tookie36 we are supposed to pick up our cross daily and if that mean physical crucifixion as many of the disciples endured than yes. But imitating Christ is what we are supposed to do in how we behave in every respect. And we are to judge between and evil, that is what maturity is. Perhaps this is why the faith has lost it's influence, because we have regressed to the point of being infants. No one will or should listen to what infants have to say about anything.
About halfway through the video. I first off want to entirely decry slurs and personal, demeaning attacks of any kind. I don't think it is ever appropriate to try to intentionally hurt someone's feelings just for the sake of it. I'm a longtime viewer and a big fan of yours, but I have to say while I see your point and do agree in part, I do think you're basically wrong about this. Especially when it comes to attacking a book like the Boniface Option, which is a fantastic book. A lot of what I think you view as 'name calling' is actually just faithful Christians calling a spade a spade. Much of what these Christians do (and it is good they do it) is labeling evil as evil. The difference between now and the times of St. Peter, is in his day, the church was well aware of the culture's evil- they were literally trying to kill Christians. In modernity, the enemies of God are much more cunning. They seek to drive us away from him through apathy and ignorance, and a lot of this "Name calling" i.e. the Boniface Option, Doug Wilson talks, etc (NOT hurling slurs in Twitter) is trying to wake people up and make them realize we are on the defensive now- this is no longer a Christian nation. I personally have Christian friends who act like it's all hunky dory in Metropolis but in reality the very bedrock of our civilization is being chipped away at. Just some thoughts. P.S. I am also entirely against the idea of violently overthrowing the government, and I do not support Christians advocating for this. 100% agreement with you there. I am even anti-Revolutionary war, much to the chagrin of many of my Christian friends.
My interactions with Isker say otherwise. He called me an "enemy" and a "whitewashed tomb" for questioning his language. There certainly is a place to call a thing what it is (which is part of being a theologian of the cross, as Luther notes in his Heidelberg Disputation), but I'm not convinced that's all that Isker is doing. There's plenty of mockery of individuals, including many Christians, just on his Twitter page. Wilson to me goes back and forth between being forthright and blunt in a way that is probably necessary to get a point across, and then sometimes just going way too far to be provocative. Calling someone a c*nt, commenting on women's breasts, or calling vestments "gay" are not helpful in any way. To be clear, Wilson most of the time doesn't do things like this, but when he has he's never backed off.
I think you absolutize principles that we ought not. Are there lots of people online who unstrategically and unrighteously use aggressive language? Yes. Does that mean all the time everywhere? Every non-Christian has a veto power over what we can say based on if they think it's offensive or not? Obviously not. You need to qualify your positions. By your standard John, the baptizer was a terrible sinner in the public square. Pagans today will consider every Christian who acknowledges men and women are different a bigot do we stop calling men and women different?
@@Catholic-Perennialist I see why you think it’s relevant but it really isn’t and predicated on an immaturity I cannot change. Have fun continuing to comment bomb every Cooper video incessantly.
@@DrJordanBCooper1st Peter was written when the apostles believed the world was about to end. When the Lord delayed His coming, pacifism was abandoned in favor of the Church Militant. Context. Always context.
@@Catholic-Perennialistso you think you can just write off the commands of an entire book based off of theorized context? We have no proof that the apostles thought that Jesus was going to return in their lifetime, im sure they hoped, but Jesus told them that no one knows the day or the hour. You’re just wrong and want to be right
Jordan you actually think these things haven't been addressed through proper means? Even "Christian means?" I submit they have. I will never allow my children to be sacrificed for "Christian means." At some point you find yourself in the midst of a battlefield and you had best adjust your tactics. 1 million children per year aborted and you haven't reached the point of thinking that we have lived with restraint? Get a grip. At some point harsh language, ridicule and slander (that is actually true )becomes a moot point. If someone invades your home I hope to God your response isn't how you sound in this video... "even as a Christian." Your job on earth is to protect and defend your family... even as a pastor!
Sounds like to be passive and do nothing... in the face of personal persecution. Not your family and friends. I get "live by the sword die by the sword" but to be Christian and never think that situation is applicable is extremely naive.
@@kale1410 I'm not denying the reality of what Rome was like. What I am saying is "in order for a man to 'love his wife and family as Christ loved the Church' then it requires him to defend them with means beyond what is being discussed in this video and the comments. At the least ridicule and being unbecoming are not the most unchristian thing to do. Sounds like this channel is comprised of hyper-pietists.
@@muddobber1621ridicule is not Christian. The fruits of the spirit include peace, patience, gentleness, kindness, self control. 1 Peter as well is very clear. Submit to the word of God. You say to emulate Christ. Dr. Cooper does a nice job in this video tying in the gospels and Jesus' response when ridiculed, beaten, mocked, and tortured on a cross for 7 hours. He is silent in his accusing. And then he finally replies: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." There is 0 scriptural basis for any lay Christian wielding insults, accusations, slander, or any other evil speech towards his neighbor. The word of God is clear.
This is silly. Such wars are not won with words, but with power. Christianity won because the emperor was converted and began a centuries long campaign of persecuting and despoiling the pagans. Christianity is now losing because it holds no power, not because we fail to be "winsome."
This was very convicting Dr. Cooper, I really need to change how I talk to/about people online, even liberals in my church
you and me both. Whenever Dr. Cooper gets "mad"...he acts like I do when I am in a good mood 😅 Dr. Cooper definitely exudes that Christ-like energy.
Amen brother! I’m glad you are humble enough to be convicted on these things. I know I’ve had to go back and delete a not insignificant number of my posts on several occasions after being convicted on how I was treating others. It’s very easy for our zeal to become sinful
We got a RZoomir Calvinist trying to larp as a Lutheran 😂
Kid we are both young and we have a long way to go. Not our will but our Father’s
@@divinityofblackness6330 The devil can transform himself into an angel of light and tickle the ears of the reprobate.
excellent video, thank you for your clarity on this needed topic!
Thanks Gavin! You are an excellent example of gentlemanly behavior in these discussions.
@@DrJordanBCooper at 14:32, were you intending to refer to RCH Lenski?
@@kingdomgoth Yes.
"shut up and get in your Bible and pray" words to live by!
Why pray if God cannot override libertarian free will?
Isn’t it good to discuss (in a good spirit) with our brothers and sisters, rather than just swallow our words and thoughts.
So the quote is “shut up, get into the Bible, and then speak”.
So not remain silent but have our arguments informed by Scripture rather than just blurt out bile or venom.
@@bpeper1365 Cooper has a thin skin. He should stop trying to tell other people what to do. Instead, why doesn't Cooper point out that spewing profanity marks the person as a fake Christian? Maybe because Cooper is a wacked out liberal?
Few things: firstly, when I am engaging with people people are far more receptive when I am nice to them. You’ll never believe how many times people will say “I wish I grew up in a church like yours,” or “with Christians like you,” or “you’re the nicest Christian I’ve met.” It’s saddening to me as people only come to know these sorts of grouchy Christians with not love but hate in their hearts. I remember when I was first coming to Christ in High School some of the nastiest things would be said to me by Trad Catholics, acting if they were superior to me (even as they were talking about when they would well…watch content not suitable for a Christian). It was enraging to the non-Christians I was around, and repelled them from Christianity. This leads me to the second point: the commandment against taking the Lord’s name in vain it’s really all that much about using God’s name as a curse word. In the original context it meant that one should represent God well as God’s chosen people, as God would be judged not necessarily by His own works but by those He called his people. Which is something very important, when we act without love and people see it they assume that it is what Christianity is about.
Gen Z translation : don't dis your enemy like a soyboy, but stan him like a Gigachad chungus
Older half Millennial here. I understood half that.
The culture is lost in sin, but so am I. I did not come to Christ because I am better than them, I came to Christ because God showed mercy on me. May I show mercy on others.
Great video, Dr. Cooper. I've run into this same "Boniface Option" theonomist group myself, and while I appreciate what you shared from Luther, I think some of these (mostly young guys from my vantage point) would shrug and say, "So what, doctor man? Boniface is our guy."
But if you point out that even Boniface, when faced with murderous pagans and his own men picking up their swords to fight, turned to Romans 12 and laid down his life (and his men's lives) rather than disobey God's Word and "repay evil with evil", they've been more open to hearing about that in my experience.
Reverend, as one of your Reformed subscribers,I appreciate this message. There is a group of mostly young-er Reformed men who don’t understand this. It seems to blend with their eschatology and inability to separate their Americanism from their Christianity, and a very narrow view of masculinity.
As a confessionally Presbyterian/Reformed pastor, I could not agree more, and this video truly is a God-send.
"Shut up, get in the Bible, snd pray!" Would that we heard more of this as it would temper the temptation to speak erroneously.
Unfortunately 90% of the "trads," whether Catholic or Orthodox or Protestant, on Twitter are more interested in "owning" their rivals than in Christianity.
@@derrickbonsell i mean, considering how easy it is to be a christian, i don't blame them
That point struck home with me. Really enjoyed this study.
Should make Merch with that slogan. I’d buy it
@@MC-dn4qs it doesnt match the tone of any of the several dozen hours of his work that I've watched and learned and enjoyed and benefitted from but dangit it's got some punch and I'd wear something like that
_What is wrong with the world?_ Dear Sirs, I am. -- G.K Chesterton
Chesterton spoke the truth. Papists are part of the fallen world and the synagogue of Satan.
"What you gon do about it dr. college man 😆😆"
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Probably the most fiery video I've ever seen from you. Well-put. There's a time under the Sun for every work but we would do well to herd the admonitions of Scripture on control of our tongue.
Spoken like a true pietist.
@@muddobber1621what do you mean by that?
"Should Christians Try to Win the Culture War With Insults and Name-Calling?" I dont think they care about that...
This really is something a lot of modern Christians struggle with. Thank you for making this video
Thanks for this. One of the things that I am troubled by is that often Christians are two-faced. In front of the public we might try to be better behaved. But then in private we revert to the “locker room” discourse when it comes to talking about others and the government. We have to call each other out on this.
I want to write another comment Dr. Cooper. I appreciate you spending so much time on this topic and the topics of etiquette, a gentlemanly class, etc especially as it comes from you, being a theological authority and clear traditional, orthodox Christian. The Christian culture I find myself in is very concerned with a few sins, namely physical vices, and hardly speaks a word towards our calls and commands to cultivate virtue, maturity, and honorable conducts and dispositions as evidence of our faith. I fear many who have grown in either pop evangelicalism or dead traditionalism are ignoring a large area of sin in their life, whether that's due to isolated legalism or carefree transactional forgiveness. We are called to be the army of God, yes, but our sword is the Spirit, and the fruits of that spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self control. Thank you again for being a strong advocate for the Christian ideals of conduct, where our lack of strong upbringing and positive cultural influence make it tempting and easy to embrace ideas of self-importance, aggression, and malice. Peace.
Came with the heat today lol.
I can't believe a 48 minutes video is needed to explain this to some people. Like, this ain't rocket science, Scripture is abundantly clear as you point out.
(Not knocking the length of the video, but those who necessitated the video be made).
How do we deal with false teachers? How about we call them out?
I am most certainly guilty of behaviors condemmed here and will have to better my self in this regard as in many others.
Thank you Dr. Cooper for making this video. It is one I fear that I will have to return to every now and then.
Greetings from Germany.
May God bless you, your work and your family.
Thank for sharing this! I have felt what you are saying for so long but have felt very alone in this view. I appreciate you being willing to post on this!
Thank you for this video. God bless.
Very true, I've definitely been guilty of speaking ill of our leaders. Fair criticism of bad policies is one thing, low-blow name calling is another, there's definitely no place for the second one for Christians.
I remember when I first became Catholic, I was maybe a bit too radtrad when it comes to this stuff. Luckily I’ve since moved on from that and Catholicism and been much better at being respectful though I still have my faults
Amen, brother! Being passionate with the truth can be tarnished by pride or wrath. I’m still dealing with it, too, when it comes to slanderous comments to our faith.
A gentleman is someone who never insulted anyone by accident I would add a gentleman is someone who never insults someone who doesn't deserve it and benifit from it .
I have begun reading "A Martyr's Faith in a Faithless World" by Bryan Wolfmueller from Concordia Publishing House. It is helping me to reorient my thinking.
Christians who consider themselves "trad" should really re-think whether it's a good idea for them to continue advocating for us to ignore the explicit commands of our Lord Jesus Christ in favor of practicing worldly justice. Apostles and prophets had a unique authority to lead the Church in ways that sometimes included harsh language (although it was against heretics, not against people outside of the faith...). We as lay people were not given that directive, we were told to be merciful and to forgive.
That's an interesting take!
Great video Dr. Cooper. People who behave in such a manner are immature children dealing with issues. We should pray God causes them to repent and grow up.
Couldn't be more correct Dr. Cooper. My only question is not to argue, only a request for your wisdom. How should a Christian citizen pursue government reform if he is called to suffer under it? Perhaps I don't understand enough to articulate what I mean. If a governing authority is one that does not follow its own laws, is there reason to resist in a Christian way? Is there a Christian way to resist? I just am trying to make sense of this. I have decided that I will not resist unless something is expressly against God's Word, so I am not looking for a reason to resist, just curious what you think.
I'm also curious about this.
Romans 13?
"Blessed are the meek for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"
I may be wrong here but I'm curious about your opinion!
I believe he made a video about the doctrine of the lesser magistrate, where he touches that topic. It’s the historical protestant way in which tiranny can be resisted.
I feel like Proverbs is pretty clear on this too.
Very much so.
Even a dog barks when his Master is attacked.
One of the best videos for growth in Christ Like Character. Thumbs up 👍🏾
10 minutes in, and love this video. Others need to hear, I need to hear, and Christians who feel like they come up on the short side of arguments need to be encouraged by this.
To something else: I know you have your ministry to perform, and while I appreciate many of your videos on the Confessions, non-Lutheran faiths, philosophy, and all that--and they all have their place in your podcasts--I personally would like to see a larger balance of your presentations that explicitly talk about or apply the Scriptures. Just a word from someone who appreciates what you do and how you teach. Keep it up!
Loved this!!!
Thanks jordan. As an older man now who was pretty unhinged in my younger years, I appreciated this message. I'm just glad there wasn't social media around then.
Thank you for this ,this is a commandment that we love one another as ourselves great sermon
Regarding the “anything related to bodily life” quote from Luther, there is something similar in the trial of Maximus the Confessor where he says “Anything the emperor commands of me that will be wiped away by the passage of time, I will do.”
Great video!
Excellent teaching!
Question is: do we engage the culture, or do we retreat with a pietistic, quietest, retreatism?
Really great video.
Really great video! I remember when a lot of American Christian public figures I like, were laughing and cheering about the ‘let’s go Brandon’ thing. The Bible very explicitely condemns these sort of actions. Not that I’m any better, because during corona I thought that I was justified to ignore the rules of the Government. Biblically, the only rules Christians were allowed to ignore, were rules against Church gatherings. I’m really happy that I live in Europe, where I can learn from Christian friends how I should behave. We have way less ‘f the Government, they can’t tell me what to do’ in our culture.
Definitely something I need to work on.
Well since I do what my master does, I'm not above calling out pits of vipers and dens of thieves!
Very upset about this type of thing happening. The Bible could not be more clear about our conduct. The fruits of the spirit are love, joy, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. Period.
Thank you so much for this video. Unfortunately I am not hopeful that those who need to hear it most will see it. Good reminder for us all either way. Peace.
Sadly, it's the online ortho bros like Andrew Wilson who need to hear this the most, yet they would completely dismiss it because it's coming from a protestant.
Hi Dr Cooper! I was wondering if you could make a video discussing the effectiveness of street preaching. It seems to me that many street preachers are disrespectful, argumentative and antagonistic, which makes it difficult for them to gain respect or be taken seriously. However, their boldness and approach can be comparable to what Jesus, John the Baptist, and the Apostles were doing in the streets. I think it would be interesting to explore this topic, especially since you are involved in campus ministry and have experience with how young people react to street preachers. I'm curious about how much etiquette should be valued in these contexts and what the proper way to evangelize people in public is in our modern society. Thank you!
Good suggestion.
“Be in the world not of it.” This applies to not conforming to the normalcy of violence, anger and hate we have in our civilization.
Dear Dr. Cooper, thanks for all the work that you do. You really are a great gift to the church!
Can you give some more information about the Lenski (?!) commentary, please? Google disappointed me... Are there any other Bible commentaries by Lutherans that you would recommend? I have been looking for a while now.
Thank you and God bless.
Best regards from Germany
Just & Sinner publishes Kretzmann's commentaries on the Old Testament and the Lutheran Commentary Series volumes on the New Testament. Lenski is no longer in print, but you can find his commentaries on Logos.
One of the biggest takeaways of the Lord of the Ring, is that we can't win using the Enemy's evil weapons.
Also, I wonder what these people think about the sermon on the mountain.
Do you agree with Ligon Duncan about the "Moscow Mood"?
This is a very good video.
Thanks a million
I have rarely found insults and name calling to be an effective form of persuasion. You won't convince your adversary but you might persuade the non affiliated. Of course, we all know the good Dr. Luther had his own expressive means of communication.
People who are quick to use insults reveal their own insecurities.
Agreed. Anytime I hear a Christian treating others in such a mean spirited manner, I always think they are weak and small. It’s embarrassing.
It’s sad that a lot of Christian apologists have been the one’s doing a lot of the mentioned, setting a terrible example for how we should talk about faith. More reasons I love this channel, not only does it preach Christ it acts in line with Christ.
Well spoken as always, Dr Cooper.
We really should bring the gentleman class back.
How did I know this was going to be his next video 😆?
One of Dr. Cooper's best videos, imo.
Are you saying that those instances these defenders turn to (Eli vs Prophets of Baal, Jesus flipping tables, John saying brood of vipers) are evil and malicious speaking when done by anyone other than that Prophet or by Christ?
I think they are generally to be used by those who have been called to specific vocations in which that is appropriate (pastors, teachers in the church, etc.). And they should be done carefully and with precision.
@@DrJordanBCooper thanks for the answer. So this is basically the same thing that Douglas Wilson would say with the exception of vocation. I think it would be broadened to Christians.
On submission to authority
It is very much my impression that Americans have made rebeliousness as part of their national identity. This is unhealthy from a Christian point of view.
I myself am very critical of certain Founding Fathers that are highly regarded on the Right-Wing, like Thomas Jeffersson, for his very pro-rebellious remarks.
Furthermore, a lot of the founding ideas behind our modern government, in America as well as my own country of Norway, are based upon a very loose respect for authority.
Disrespect for authority is a large part of why I am against liberalism and identify with the conservative tradition of Edmund Burke.
I say all this to give you context that I myself am not one of these people who say "We should overthrow the government" types.
However, when it comes to resistance to government as a principle, you are giving the impression here that there NEVER are any reasons to resist the government violently.
That Christians are NEVER to try and stop a tyrant, NEVER to defend their own communities and families with the sword and NEVER to depose an evil ruler.
And you give the impression that all of this is what Luther taught and believed, but you leave out that Luther changed his mind.
Luther actually did start to believe that one rightfully could resist evil and fight against it with the sword, but that this was not something to jump fast to.
In his later years Luther moved more and more towards a position of rightful resistance towards the Emperor. This both based upon judicial and theological grounds.
He died before giving a clear view of the right of resistance but Lutheran theologians who studied under both Luther and Melanchthon, developed the Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate
in the Magdesburg Confession. The argument boils down that we as citizens are not called to be executers of justice or punish the wicked. That office belongs to the Magistrates.
However, it belongs just as much to the Lesser Magistrate as the Higher Magistrate. 1 Peter 14 which you quote says "or to governors as sent by him". The Lesser Magistrate
are duty bound "to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good". When the Higher Magistrates fails in their duty to punish evil, and not only tolerates but promotes
evil and rather than praise good, they persecute and punish those that do good, it is the duty of the Lesser Magistrate, as far as it is in their power, to resist the Higher Magistrate.
When Nero, whom you cite as an example, became a tyrant, what was his fate? The Lesser Magistrates justly ended his tyrannical rule by killing him. They did their duty that God had
given them when He put them in their positions of power.
The Magdesburg Confession is clear that this resistance towards authority is not to be taken liberally. It is often better to suffer than to cause resistance and civil war is not a laughing matter.
They even outline four cases of abuse, with the second and third one, being when rule is tyrannical, they are allowed to violently resist but it is not commanded and it should only be used if the abuse is very severe and on a large scale. But in the fourth category, when the tyrant becomes more than a tyrant, but a Beerwolf, one is duty bound to resist.
I am not saying this to encourage armed issurrection or resistance. I said earlier, I am in the tradition of Burke and detest revolutions and want to reform peacefully, rather than violently.
My point is in clarifying that Christians are not called to merely suffer injustice if they are in a position, such as a lower magistrate is, to stop it. If a Christian happened to be part of the Praetorian Guard or a General in the Roman Army, he would not sin if he resisted Nero and tried to depose him when he persecuted the Church. A Christian in such a position should of course obey the command of Christ and the Apostles to obey authority, but not when it subverts the duties God laid down for those in authority, namely: "to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good"
I'm totally agreed with you on all of this. Christians who receive a vocation in political office can and do have to make difficult decisions about governance, which at (rare) times means overthrowing the higher magistrate.
I'm talking here to the average Christian who wants some kind of populist revolution which is more Akin to the peasants revolts than the issues you are speaking of here.
The message I'm hearing is that we must let our children be destroyed because the gubment would have it so.
This is worse than cowardice, worse than treachery, and even worse than the devils who rule over us.
It is the religion of Molech.
One minor point is that Burke did at times support revolution. He was a firm defender of the Americans during the revolution-in fact that’s how he would make an international name for himself. He actually would become acquaintances with many of the founders. Him and Thomas Paine would actually spend a week together at his house. He spoke highly of the Glorious Revolution of 1688, and in fact would later brand himself as an “Old Whig,” following the publication of the Reflections on the Revolution in France.
What Burke objected to was that the revolution in France was about destroying order, rather than building it up. What he saw in his “American Crisis,” and the Glorious Revolution of 1688, was a people defending the order which had been given to them by their ancestors.
@@DrJordanBCooper
Yes, I suspected that you directed your focus towards populist revolutionaries, which I also am against for both practical and ethical reasons (It would not work and even if it did
it goes against Christ's commands).
That being said, you lacked a quallifier for when resistance is warranted, and your words could be interpreted as always suffering rather than resisting and restoring.
I have also found that what you say in the video, about focusing on yourself, worshipping God despite the evil in society is healthier. However, I also believe one should
focus on changing the system, that Christians need to learn more about how power works and see what ways we can affect society.
You are absolutely correct that name-calling and being vicious is not the best course of action, that we should be a light in the world.
@@AnonNorwegianPartiot I have discussed those issues at length in other videos and podcasts. It just wasn't my goal here.
Fully support you. We already lost the first culture war using worldly tactics . But even that matters not - scripture tells us what to do .
And Jesus could supernaturally read people’s hearts
Which culture war did Christians lose? The history of the US is 200 years, but we have 2000 years of victory.
I just started watching, but I don’t know how the Christian can take Paul seriously in Col 4:5-6 and be purposefully degrading with their speech toward others.
Add to that Galatians 5
Oh my... I can. Maybe that's because you live with your head in the sand. Paul is speaking of your everyday conversations with unbelievers..... I completely understand that. Now apply that attitude when your family is being attacked. If you take Paul's words serious in that role... you're in another world.
@@muddobber1621nobody is advocating that you don’t defend your family if they’re being physically attacked…? But at the same time realize that during the great persecutions, men willingly died for Christ. Not even were just caught and accepted it, but presented themselves knowing the consequences.
@@muddobber1621 Christ tells us to offer the other cheek.
Most Christians honestly don't "take Paul seriously," they use his confusing, pharisaical writings to justify all kinds of error. Someone else said, "When Christians like what God says, they quote him. When they don't like what God said, they quote Jesus. And when they don't like what Jesus said, they quote Paul."
7:52 🔥
Acts 5:29. Preach the Gospel without fear. Obey God rather than men.
Never once have I seen anyone refer to the modern state and culture as pagan. Pagan to most people online refers to nationalists online who hate Christianity because it’s “Jewish”
I also think many of these anons comment on stuff like this and engage in name-calling simply because the internet has allowed almost everyone access to plenty of resources and they think that they have attained seminary-level knowledge simply by reading up quotes and clips of texts that seem in their favor when a holistic approach would say otherwise.
*Vamp from “Meet the Grahms” starts*
I think we all know the answer, but “owning the libs” can be so satisfying.
Yet we can share that moment with god instead of owning the libs lol
you're right, there's a danger men might be copying from muslim behavior
1st Corinthians Chapter 13: 4-7 4 Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable; it keeps no record of wrongs; 6 it does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Ephesians 4:29.
Exceptional, sir!
“Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;” (Hebrews 12:14-15)
We are to be agents of God's grace - people around us should find undeserved favor from God in us even if they are aggressively caustic, heretical, rejected, or pagan. We can say no without abandoning the visibility of Christ in us! Very much appreciate your exhortation here!
WWJD? "You brood of vipers!"
Martin Luther said it is better to be ruled by wise infidel than a Christian fool.
Someone tag Sam Shamoun
let's not. he'll go into histrionics.
Polemics and even humor have always been the hallmark of the prophetic nature of the people of God from the Old Testament saints, through the Apostles and Church fathers, Reformer to Pentecostal street preachers.
Of course this doesn't justify careless use of crude language, but by the same token Anglo-sensitivities and puritanical faux piety are also to be rejected.
Some Christians are just humorless scolds...
Sir there are many so called Christians that know nothing about how to be Christian.
Unfortunately the gospels tell us how to act but it doesn’t tell us how to do what we are taught. Like how do we love our neighbor or enemy when I don’t love my wife or kids all the time.
Like how do we turn the other cheek?
Yea to be able to be a Christian should be our goal. Ppl need to stop assuming the name without having really struggled with themselves.
I agree with your sentiment. However I do think we should not pretend like we are the same as liberal chrisitan. I do not consider the churches who have gay pastors to be christian or saved at all. They may claim the title of christian but they arent. That all being said i agree with you
I think calling a spade a spade and pointing out false teachings from pastors is more than appropriate. They may find it offensive, but when they reject the clearest and simplest doctrine in the Bible, it’s hard to say they are Christian or saved.
That still doesn't absolve you of the requirement to tame the tongue and show love in both word and deed if you listen to what he is saying. Yes, we might not be super delicate with our friend cheating on his wife and ruining his marriage and salvation by remaining in unrepentance, but we are still called to properly witness both the law and gospel in love. You can take language and the place of your heart too far to not rebuke error, but to try and demean or belittle people and this is simply becoming of a Christian.
@@CJ2345ishwould you say it is demeaning and belittling to call a gay pastor as such? Or to call those not Christian or not saved, in a church who appoints and sits under a gay pastor?
@nateopfer7542 If the pastor is gay, it would not be be inappropriate to say he's gay and call him to repent and abstain from life lifestyle if he's not abstinent.
However, what you don't get the right to do is be heinous and obscene in calling that person whatever offensive things you choose. You don't get to call people "g** r******" on Twitter was the comment Dr. Cooper shows. He is simply suggesting, as I am suggesting as well, that sterness is to be favored over harshness in these scenarios. Calling someone "A g** c** guzzler" is unbecoming of a Christian when you could say "I am worried about your lifestyle affecting your salvation and would encourage you to repent"
@@CJ2345ish Thanks for the reply. I understand that and agree that sounds heinous and obscene. Although one could just say, "I am worried about your lifestyle..." is it only good and "Christian" to say it that way? I'm not sure obscenity by itself is the evil or wrong here. Can't a Christian be carefully and precisely obscene in describing a sinful (and ultimately deadly) situation to someone? I could give an example, but I fear you may throw me in with dem' boys.
The Christian response is martyrdom????
Yes.
There must be a way to balance the fiery rhetoric of Jesus and some of the church fathers (Luther, for instance) with nuanced, considered and sensitive commentary on the world and its denizens.
John Paul II “we want God”
@@tookie36 what are you trying to say
@@TitusCastiglione1503 that John Paul II gave us a great example of a fiery response in the response to a very fraught situation. The further into suffering the clearer the example. Juxtaposed to when we argue on Twitter we tend to say nonsense at the most trivial comments
Of course I agree that name-Calling is wrong. At the same time, I think it is important to examine where these feelings come from.
Christian political representatives who are elected to various political assemblies, to represent the Christian interest, often "mix up" their roles as political actors with the role of the church. In certain political context where they should have been tough and struck hard (which is their right as part of the powers that be), they have instead pointed to their "Christian virtue" or "love of neighbor", and chose not to fight. Whether it was because they had a theology that didn't distinguish clearly enough between the two kingdoms, or whether they used "their christianity" as a poor excuse - who knows. It's still a fact that the Christian politicians does not sufficiently punish those who do evil and reward those who do good. This of course creates frustration among people.
Those who know god/ have a direct relationship with Him do not need anything else. Most peoples frustrations stem from this lack of God and to fill that hole they seek politics and church. Aka legion and the pigs 🐖 of course talking about church and not Church. We of course love going to Church :)
Paul didn't speak sweetly called the judaizers dogs and accused Jews of being no better than the Gentiles. Non-Christians favorite quote is " Judge not." Every thing these days is hatred if it doesn't agree with the interlelocutor. Don't get me started about Lutherspeak
Cool. Did you watch the video?
Of course. I'm addressing the evil speak issue.
@@mysticmouse7261why are you talking like we’re in 1984?
@@mysticmouse7261the judaizers were in the church and teaching falsely. You want to be harsh to everyone so you’ll take whatever excuse you can
We shouldn't be too strict. Jesus did call some whitewashed tombs
The god man can do things we should not.
@@tookie36 yes we should tread carefully
@@tookie36aren't we to called to be like Christ?
@@Christ_is_King1646 so we should be crucified physically in Golgotha ? It seems important to understand the line between god who can make judgments of good and evil and a creature who should not.
@@tookie36 we are supposed to pick up our cross daily and if that mean physical crucifixion as many of the disciples endured than yes. But imitating Christ is what we are supposed to do in how we behave in every respect. And we are to judge between and evil, that is what maturity is. Perhaps this is why the faith has lost it's influence, because we have regressed to the point of being infants. No one will or should listen to what infants have to say about anything.
About halfway through the video. I first off want to entirely decry slurs and personal, demeaning attacks of any kind. I don't think it is ever appropriate to try to intentionally hurt someone's feelings just for the sake of it. I'm a longtime viewer and a big fan of yours, but I have to say while I see your point and do agree in part, I do think you're basically wrong about this. Especially when it comes to attacking a book like the Boniface Option, which is a fantastic book. A lot of what I think you view as 'name calling' is actually just faithful Christians calling a spade a spade. Much of what these Christians do (and it is good they do it) is labeling evil as evil. The difference between now and the times of St. Peter, is in his day, the church was well aware of the culture's evil- they were literally trying to kill Christians. In modernity, the enemies of God are much more cunning. They seek to drive us away from him through apathy and ignorance, and a lot of this "Name calling" i.e. the Boniface Option, Doug Wilson talks, etc (NOT hurling slurs in Twitter) is trying to wake people up and make them realize we are on the defensive now- this is no longer a Christian nation. I personally have Christian friends who act like it's all hunky dory in Metropolis but in reality the very bedrock of our civilization is being chipped away at. Just some thoughts.
P.S. I am also entirely against the idea of violently overthrowing the government, and I do not support Christians advocating for this. 100% agreement with you there. I am even anti-Revolutionary war, much to the chagrin of many of my Christian friends.
My interactions with Isker say otherwise. He called me an "enemy" and a "whitewashed tomb" for questioning his language. There certainly is a place to call a thing what it is (which is part of being a theologian of the cross, as Luther notes in his Heidelberg Disputation), but I'm not convinced that's all that Isker is doing. There's plenty of mockery of individuals, including many Christians, just on his Twitter page.
Wilson to me goes back and forth between being forthright and blunt in a way that is probably necessary to get a point across, and then sometimes just going way too far to be provocative. Calling someone a c*nt, commenting on women's breasts, or calling vestments "gay" are not helpful in any way. To be clear, Wilson most of the time doesn't do things like this, but when he has he's never backed off.
You are describing what the Orthodox call “Trump Christians.”
Sounds like how I see a lot of "orthobros" acting
no, that makes you no better than them. with exceptions.
no
I think you absolutize principles that we ought not. Are there lots of people online who unstrategically and unrighteously use aggressive language? Yes. Does that mean all the time everywhere? Every non-Christian has a veto power over what we can say based on if they think it's offensive or not? Obviously not. You need to qualify your positions. By your standard John, the baptizer was a terrible sinner in the public square. Pagans today will consider every Christian who acknowledges men and women are different a bigot do we stop calling men and women different?
Here come the… but Elijah, Paul, and Jesus said mean things rebuttals.
Don't forget, too, that friendship with the world is enmity with God.
Thank you for an irrelevant comment. Keep that energy.
@@Athabrose Perhaps you do not see the relevance?
@@Catholic-Perennialist I see why you think it’s relevant but it really isn’t and predicated on an immaturity I cannot change. Have fun continuing to comment bomb every Cooper video incessantly.
Unless I am greatly mistaken, you are none of those three.
6:36 Stop using proof texts! Ha.
You are such a nerd 🤓
Yes.
poor guy
What does the text of 1 Peter say?
Used to listen to you. Got tired of you being exactly what this video addresses.
@@DrJordanBCooper1st Peter was written when the apostles believed the world was about to end.
When the Lord delayed His coming, pacifism was abandoned in favor of the Church Militant.
Context. Always context.
@@Catholic-Perennialistso you think you can just write off the commands of an entire book based off of theorized context? We have no proof that the apostles thought that Jesus was going to return in their lifetime, im sure they hoped, but Jesus told them that no one knows the day or the hour. You’re just wrong and want to be right
@@Catholic-Perennialist Your crazy. 2 Thessalonians 2 clearly teaches the apostles did not think the end of the world was at hand lol
Jordan you actually think these things haven't been addressed through proper means? Even "Christian means?" I submit they have. I will never allow my children to be sacrificed for "Christian means." At some point you find yourself in the midst of a battlefield and you had best adjust your tactics. 1 million children per year aborted and you haven't reached the point of thinking that we have lived with restraint? Get a grip. At some point harsh language, ridicule and slander (that is actually true )becomes a moot point. If someone invades your home I hope to God your response isn't how you sound in this video... "even as a Christian." Your job on earth is to protect and defend your family... even as a pastor!
Cool. What does the text of 1 Peter say?
Sounds like to be passive and do nothing... in the face of personal persecution. Not your family and friends. I get "live by the sword die by the sword" but to be Christian and never think that situation is applicable is extremely naive.
@@muddobber1621 I wonder what Nero, who Peter as partially writing about, was doing. Surely he was not also killing people's family and friends.
@@kale1410 I'm not denying the reality of what Rome was like. What I am saying is "in order for a man to 'love his wife and family as Christ loved the Church' then it requires him to defend them with means beyond what is being discussed in this video and the comments. At the least ridicule and being unbecoming are not the most unchristian thing to do. Sounds like this channel is comprised of hyper-pietists.
@@muddobber1621ridicule is not Christian. The fruits of the spirit include peace, patience, gentleness, kindness, self control. 1 Peter as well is very clear.
Submit to the word of God.
You say to emulate Christ. Dr. Cooper does a nice job in this video tying in the gospels and Jesus' response when ridiculed, beaten, mocked, and tortured on a cross for 7 hours. He is silent in his accusing. And then he finally replies: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
There is 0 scriptural basis for any lay Christian wielding insults, accusations, slander, or any other evil speech towards his neighbor. The word of God is clear.
This is silly. Such wars are not won with words, but with power.
Christianity won because the emperor was converted and began a centuries long campaign of persecuting and despoiling the pagans.
Christianity is now losing because it holds no power, not because we fail to be "winsome."
Is not the power of Christ in us to love our enemies?
@@the_garrett That's how christian communities go extinct, generally.
The other sure way is to lack fertility.
@@the_garrett There are mass graves filled with people who loved their enemies.
That's not winning.
@@Catholic-Perennialist Isn't it how Christ won?
@@the_garrettHave you read Revelation?