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  • @liamblasko3164
    @liamblasko3164 Рік тому +571

    Wallace Breen's desk has become an integral part of his body, this is a subtle nod to the Half Life 2 Beta where Breen was known as the "Consul" and in the foolish attempt to please his Combine Benefactors he would have replaced all of his internal organs with stuff he found at IKEA, making him more desk than human. Alyx also had red hair that was in the beta too

    • @ic0nic707
      @ic0nic707 Рік тому +35

      "He's more furniture now than man."

    • @enjoyerofspace
      @enjoyerofspace Рік тому +3

      So He Simped For The Combine?

    • @YourFoxFriendYT
      @YourFoxFriendYT Рік тому +5

      Did you know that they changed the story because of the leak and the beta was dark and gritty it was true they scrapped the whole game

    • @JustGront
      @JustGront Рік тому +10

      @@YourFoxFriendYT Don't spread misinformation, the game was changed of art direction way long before the leak

    • @ADcommenter
      @ADcommenter Рік тому +3

      All his organs are inside the desk and chair, it's wirelessly connected to his body so that he can move freely. However he got too far away from it in the end of half life 2, therefore resulting in him dying offscreen.

  • @KatWithCigarette
    @KatWithCigarette Рік тому +364

    I was disappointed in the length of the video when I was about to watch it, but the ending is so magnificient, the sacrifice was definitely worth it.

  • @wolfiecascade9589
    @wolfiecascade9589 Рік тому +198

    The hat ban is what truly led to Breen's downfall

    • @LTorLittleTimmy
      @LTorLittleTimmy Рік тому +10

      That’s one of the multiple main reasons I joined the lambda resistance.

  • @bouribou4073
    @bouribou4073 Рік тому +130

    a lot of this was actually explained by the writers themselves ! basically, the citizens were allowed to keep their old clothes, but all new ones were the uniforms we see in hl2, as their older clothes got into worse shape, they were forced to switch to the combine distributed ones. as for the seemingly more strict combine rule, it's probably a lot of different factors, as mentioned in the vid, the vault being destroyed grabbed the attention of the combine, showing that humans were more dangerous to them then expected, leading them to increase their control over the population. another factor could be how little they need from humans in hl2, they are basically on the verge of killing everyone and going on to conquer the rest of the universe, having almost cracked local teleportation inside of our universe, which is basically the only reason they kept humanity alive as long as they did, to study what the rebelion created.

    • @ADcommenter
      @ADcommenter Рік тому +16

      The combine in half life alyx wore much more bulky armor that was probably meant to look intimidating to the humans rather than actually protect them. That's why they usually are in squad formation and have roles: grunt (standard combatant meant for conventional engagements) ordinal (commanding officer that the team needs to rely on for orders) charger (equipped with a shield to push forward against the opposition) suppressor (supressing fire from the opposer in order for the squad to move forward) but in half life 2 they no longer have roles, they now wear compact armor.

    • @AdrianRojasF
      @AdrianRojasF Рік тому +4

      Where did you get this from? Not just fact checking, I'm curious of what else I can find from this... interview? I don't remember reading it in Final Hours.

    • @bouribou4073
      @bouribou4073 Рік тому +9

      ​@@AdrianRojasF it's from something called "the marc laidlaw vault",it's a steam discussion page.. thing, you can look it up online, it has a ton of fascinating facts about the half-life universe.

    • @AdrianRojasF
      @AdrianRojasF Рік тому +1

      @@bouribou4073 Thanks!

    • @binbows2258
      @binbows2258 Рік тому +1

      @@ADcommenter Only took the Combine 5 years to learn what had already been established by pre-existing militaries..

  • @locomotivefaox
    @locomotivefaox Рік тому +48

    Haha!
    While I think that probably is the reason, I also think that it was because valve had the ability to be far more detailed and diverse with the citizens and city 17 in general.

    • @lancecorporalmikebeebop9640
      @lancecorporalmikebeebop9640 Рік тому +4

      It’s also possible that, after the vault’s destruction, the Combine would tighten security and possibly even disallow things like hats and pets as a punishment of some kind.

    • @planescaped
      @planescaped Рік тому

      I mean, from a practical standpoint that is exactly it.
      The question though is how do we explain this in-lore.

  • @maxthecreature4674
    @maxthecreature4674 Рік тому +70

    I can Imagine Dr Breen driving through highway 17 with his desk

  • @fauxparadox
    @fauxparadox Рік тому +77

    The vault being destroyed is an alternate universe from Half-Life 2, wasn't it? How would that effect the citizens in City 17 if it was destroyed by Alyx in another timeline?
    The gmod section convinced me tho 10/10

    • @Pigness7
      @Pigness7 Рік тому +34

      Gman had to be freed from the vault before HL2 so some shit musta happened, time travel is fucky bro

    • @ic0nic707
      @ic0nic707 Рік тому +17

      Well no, it's not really an alternate universe.

    • @unoriginalperson72
      @unoriginalperson72 Рік тому +15

      Spoilers
      It goes like this: alyx is kept in stasis but the events of HL2 still happen until the part where alyx kills the advisor with the lightning and then gman takes her away and eli lives. So aka not an alternative reality

    • @hazzmati
      @hazzmati Рік тому +10

      Half life Alyx is a prequel to HL2 not an alternate storyline

    • @Darvoth
      @Darvoth Рік тому +13

      The confusion around Alyx’s ending is why it’s a bad idea to just throw time travel into a story willy-nilly.

  • @Pigness7
    @Pigness7 Рік тому +15

    the depressing uniforms can be seen on the ghost citizens inside the vault IIRC

  • @mysteryY2K
    @mysteryY2K Рік тому +7

    my stoned ass baked an entire pizza to watch this.... until i finished one slice and realized this vid was a meme xD

  • @Pigness7
    @Pigness7 Рік тому +6

    the cats on the other hand? I think those all going is Kleiner's fault.

  • @TheAmazingDoorknob
    @TheAmazingDoorknob Рік тому +11

    This makes total sense, including Breen beating random people in gm construct

  • @CaptPanOfSteel
    @CaptPanOfSteel Рік тому +6

    I always figured that Dr. Breen didn't have much actual control over City 17, and was more of a figurehead than anything else.

    • @juanausensi499
      @juanausensi499 Місяць тому

      The Combine don't seem to care much about Earth... not at first, at least. Breen is, of course, subordinate to them, but because their lack of immediate interest, he seems to have pretty much total effective power over humanity. As long as Combine's interests aren't in danger, he can do pretty much whatever he wants.
      We can say that because the main power left on Earth are the transhuman Combine military, and they are controlled by Breen, as seen when Breen admonishes them in Nova Prospekt.

  • @lancecorporalmikebeebop9640
    @lancecorporalmikebeebop9640 Рік тому +8

    On a more serious note: it would make sense for the Combine to tighten up security after the vault gets destroyed.

  • @lambdaspecialist_source
    @lambdaspecialist_source Рік тому +7

    I love this video, laughing so hard rn :D subscribing to this channel was a great choice

  • @TheEngieTF2
    @TheEngieTF2 Рік тому +4

    This is canon

  • @LarrySBM
    @LarrySBM Рік тому +1

    ok here's a reason this can't be, in half life alyx, gman travel's back in time and gets himself captured by the combine so that eli can tell alyx about the vault and the super weapon, so then alyx gets hired by gman, if gman wouldn't have been there, there would be no vault to knock down

  • @denifnaf5874
    @denifnaf5874 Рік тому +5

    What if after the vault incident the combine became more strict with the citizens luxury.

  • @matthewjabeznazario8769
    @matthewjabeznazario8769 3 місяці тому +1

    Yikes! This is sooooo evil, man.

  • @DaRealBruner
    @DaRealBruner Рік тому +15

    I don't understand Valve's thought process when making Half-Life Alyx. They had modeled an ordinary blue HL2 citizen jumpsuit for Half-Life Alyx, as well as the default and standard HL2 Combine Soldier, but then they decided to cut them both. Why? They're canon, and common in Half-Life 2. Why the hell would you ever cut key assets like that? It just doesn't make sense to me.

    • @blindtreeman8052
      @blindtreeman8052 Рік тому +11

      That's just game development. Some things get used, some gets scrapped, some things move around and change mid development.
      Plus the chances of those assets getting used in future projects isn't 0%. They might pop up in a future entry or it won't, only time will tell.

    • @thespectacularspider-man2549
      @thespectacularspider-man2549 Рік тому +2

      I don't treat Alyx as canon. Just a fun side story.

    • @guyjuprod
      @guyjuprod Рік тому +7

      @@thespectacularspider-man2549 then you are just straight up wrong

    • @thespectacularspider-man2549
      @thespectacularspider-man2549 Рік тому

      @@guyjuprod I mean, maybe. But you gotta agree there's too many inconsistencies between HL2 and HLA.

    • @BananawithJaundice
      @BananawithJaundice Рік тому +1

      ​@@thespectacularspider-man2549what most likely happened after he saw eli get killed he saw a oppurtunity to take a young alyx oblivious to what will happen and show her the future to have her join his employers. The easiest way is to wait for alyx, so he allows himself to be captured be freed by alyx and do his plan. The time DOES NOT CHANGE every event is the same up until eli gets killed by the advisor.
      TL:DR
      Time did not change until eli was killed, that is when in HLA alyx killed the advisor and saved her dad. Eli knowing G-man caused this.

  • @atariboy9084
    @atariboy9084 Рік тому

    Yeap sounds about right.

  • @khent2585
    @khent2585 Рік тому +1

    when me play half life 2 but gmod i have hat

  • @drpompo
    @drpompo Рік тому +6

    I've thought about this a bit, in the HL2 timeline the vault either didn't exist or Alyx didn't have anything to do with it. Wouldn't make sense for Gman to have been captured without an actual purpose, the events of Alyx were just Gman altering the timeline to test Alyx. After she passed her assessment he simply restored the default timeline and took Alyx away. HL:A couldn't really have anything to do with it.
    So why the change? I have a few ideas. It might be part of the Combines slow genocide, they gradually make things worse and wear down humanity. After constructing the Citadel they could have greatly strengthened their hold on City 17 and step up their oppression. It could also be possible that Gordon and Alyx just witnessed vastly different parts of the city, Gordon only really sees an area that seems dedicated to new intakes, possibly low level citizens who are afforded fewer privileges. Alyx's district may have been for skilled workers and those the Combine deemed loyal/compliant, giving them a higher quality of life in return such as the family members of Civil Protection. It's also possible that they might just be altering the lore a little bit to give City 17 a different feel.

    • @AdrianRojasF
      @AdrianRojasF Рік тому

      Thanks, I was searching if someone said it. I agree that the capture of Gman happened in an alternative timeline (he couldn't have made the offer to Alyx if Eli's death hadn't happened). And yes, this kind of change in oppressive regimes is gradual so people don't even notice. We have Doctor Breen to thank for that....human treatment.

    • @AdrianRojasF
      @AdrianRojasF Рік тому

      Plus... It's a video game developed by people and a new generation of artists with autonomy who weren't restrained from being creative for the sake of continuity.
      I know this isn't a serious video but we can talk about whatever we want.

    • @BananawithJaundice
      @BananawithJaundice Рік тому

      ​@@AdrianRojasFGman can do anything at will even teleport, I think he insteas let himself get captured. And the vault could have been made because they wanted Gman kept in the prison, using the vortessence.

    • @AdrianRojasF
      @AdrianRojasF Рік тому

      @@BananawithJaundice G-man has limited leeway. Sure, he can teleport, time travel, etc., etc. But he can't... trigger a resonance cascade, call the Combine so they can invade Earth, destroy the Citadel himself, teleport Alyx into White Forest. He's not almighty.
      As for intentions on getting captured... I don't really have a take on that but I don't see the game giving you a definitive answer either, as you present it. My guess is he did get caught (doing what? I don't know) unintentionally, but he made the best out of his situation, given that he did get rescued. The concept art shows him sitting upset inside his cage, but that's just concept art and stuff changes during development.

  • @lenshibo
    @lenshibo Рік тому +3

    Ive very thankful you made this a normal video instead of a "short". the shorts ui is painful on desktop and im so sick of every video under a minute being a short

    • @PurpleColonel
      @PurpleColonel  Рік тому

      I'm experimenting with uploading it both ways; seems like this is the best way to go in general

  • @land3021
    @land3021 Рік тому +1

    You know, your voice kinda sounds like Lead head's.

  • @Eksevis
    @Eksevis Рік тому +1

    This is 100% canon

  • @gamingmoth4542
    @gamingmoth4542 Рік тому +2

    I suppose it also can show in the difference between the Combine Soldiers in each game. While they did still have the Automaton like soldiers in both games, Half Life Alex also had a handful of low ranking Combine Grunts who still kept some semblance of personality and memories (kinda like a halfway point between Civil Protection and the Combine Army) while in Half Life 2 every single Combine Soldier were the emotionless automatons whipped of all memories. I guess Dr. Breen seeing a single woman mowing down Grunts who carry a big red gas tank that just begs “please shoot me and make me explode” made him reconsider their effectiveness and decide to go full out Emotionless Memory whipped Automaton with the Combine Army. As for why he still allowed Civil Protection to stay the same, I’m gonna guess it’s because we didn’t really fight them that much as Alex and therefore Breen wouldn’t really get much of a chance to examine their weaknesses.

    • @Robb1977
      @Robb1977 Рік тому

      my guess for keeping CPs is because they are effective motivators to get people in. they are hardly armed, and they spread the word of "hey, rather than get beat up, im getting extra rations... you should join up too"
      though, theres nothing saying those half-way units dont exist in places where xen life is more of a threat. for instance, if the combine invaded ravenholm (which they have no reason too) we may see the more specialist units that we see in the quarantine zone.

  • @kornsuwin
    @kornsuwin Рік тому +1

    callusque

  • @Mustardstain32
    @Mustardstain32 Рік тому +2

    Perfectly explained in 59 seconds thank you

  • @DroneBoi.
    @DroneBoi. Рік тому

    Or uhh maybe its just because valve improved when it comes to game development so they could give the citizens more variety....

  • @Pharaz
    @Pharaz 23 дні тому

    Thus was hilarious. Thank you

  • @galbelol766
    @galbelol766 Рік тому +1

    Does this make Alyx an accidental anagonist

  • @canadaw.e6461
    @canadaw.e6461 Рік тому +1

    a fair few people were talking about the fact there was aparantly fully modeled HL2 citizens and HL2 combine soldiers, and valve decided to just not use them and not understanding why.
    i simply propose the fact this game takes place YEARS before HL2, so those combine soldiers we see in HL2 are more recent evolutions, while the ones in Alyx are more slapdash, older armor and upgrades, as for the clothing, i believe it makes sense that a strict uniform would be put in place, due to that particular one being basically unable to carry any hidden weapons, while some of the outfits we see in Alyx are very much capable of doing so.
    TLDR: were seeing older units in alyx, not the more up to date units in HL2, and you cant hide a gun in the HL2 citizen outfits

  • @davenortonsepicprankchannel
    @davenortonsepicprankchannel Рік тому +1

    Exactly a minute long? That's surreal.

  • @rebelsolution8524
    @rebelsolution8524 Рік тому +1

    City 17 in actual Half Life 2: Worker and Prisoners adapted from 1984.
    City 17 people in Half Life Alyx: Actual normal clothes.

  • @escalatorgoddess2078
    @escalatorgoddess2078 Рік тому +1

    That is NOT what I expected from the second half of the video, lmao I'm dying we need more of this

  • @mitkodimtrov3914
    @mitkodimtrov3914 10 місяців тому

    HAAAAAX
    Dr Wallace Breen

  • @Skiivin
    @Skiivin Рік тому +1

    I imagine most of them were conscripted into the combine military or slaughtered en masse.

  • @Guruc13
    @Guruc13 Рік тому

    Ahahaha! God, thwt ending!

  • @ImmortalAbsol
    @ImmortalAbsol Рік тому

    Vinny in the thumbnail?

  • @Bozothcow
    @Bozothcow Рік тому

    canon canon canon canon

  • @denizo9263
    @denizo9263 Рік тому

    yeah, pretty much

  • @andrewtruax2830
    @andrewtruax2830 Рік тому

    how did you make Dr. Breen speak like that??

  • @ArchivusUniversalis
    @ArchivusUniversalis Рік тому

    Legendary

  • @justletmelistthese
    @justletmelistthese Рік тому

    C A N O N

  • @LeatherIceCream
    @LeatherIceCream Рік тому

    I was not expecting this to go in the direction it did at all

  • @BurgundianLullaby
    @BurgundianLullaby Рік тому +1

    civil protection

  • @RUINERS
    @RUINERS Рік тому

    Foken loool

  • @garakds9
    @garakds9 Рік тому

    It's all fun until Gordon Freeman joins the game

  • @MetalX34
    @MetalX34 Рік тому

    cmon let's not act like valve had some lore reason. that's simply because they did not feel like modelling different clo-
    nvm that's some pretty sick slicing of breen's voicelines have my babies i beg you.

  • @ellis898
    @ellis898 Рік тому

    That's also why Grunts are unarmored soldiers and vice versa.

  • @danielnguyen3787
    @danielnguyen3787 Рік тому

    Consul has authorized all protection teams and Echo forces to prosecute all citizens.

  • @CatsT.M
    @CatsT.M Рік тому

    Huh...I did not see the length and thought it was an actual video.

  • @goon-705
    @goon-705 Рік тому

    I mean they also all get an American cadence between the games but it is an interesting theory.

  • @501stcloneboi2
    @501stcloneboi2 Рік тому

    Breen's canon reaction
    Change my mind

  • @ggabey14
    @ggabey14 Рік тому

    You got us in the first hat tho, ngl.

  • @sarminder4357
    @sarminder4357 Рік тому

    Straight to the point. Good lore video sir

  • @UndeadGhostGirl
    @UndeadGhostGirl Рік тому

    Sounds legit.

  • @abba8592
    @abba8592 Рік тому

    I've always wondered why the citizens were all american considering where city 17 is thought to be located. As well as how characters like Eli and Alyx were able to get there from Black Mesa

    • @ic0nic707
      @ic0nic707 Рік тому +3

      I heard somewhere that during development they planned to have the language of citizens randomized, don’t quote me on that though I have no source.

    • @TheBananaBox
      @TheBananaBox Рік тому +3

      People were relocated after the Combine took over; there's a globe showing an arrow from America to Eastern Europe in Alyx, and citizens mention being frequently relocated in Half-Life 2. Moving people to a foreign place where they can't read most of the signs or books is probably a way to suppress rebellion

  • @schmitnoodles
    @schmitnoodles Рік тому

    i thought this video was legit ☠☠☠ (but like fr i wanna know what happened to the citizens when the citadel exploded in episode 2)

    • @whirl3690
      @whirl3690 Рік тому +8

      It's still "legit," just not an in-depth analysis. It is still likely that Breen and/or the Combine reduced the living conditions greatly because they heard that someone from City 17 destroyed a very important structure.

    • @user-qf4du7lc4z
      @user-qf4du7lc4z Рік тому +3

      I'm pretty sure the citizens either escaped City 17 with Barney or died from the explosion.

  • @jaydenmorales5179
    @jaydenmorales5179 Рік тому

    But I'm wondering where Dr. Kleiner is during Half Life: Alyx

    • @FFgames446
      @FFgames446 Рік тому

      he was going to be in the game but valve cut him form the game

    • @denifnaf5874
      @denifnaf5874 Рік тому

      ​@@FFgames446he was busy capturing cats

  • @0bx136
    @0bx136 Рік тому

    ajajaja

  • @YourFoxFriendYT
    @YourFoxFriendYT Рік тому

    Or maybe they just didn’t put the kitty cat in hl2 cause they didn’t feel like doing it

    • @EnbyLite
      @EnbyLite Рік тому +2

      Dr. Kleiner did some horrible things to the remaining cats I hear.

    • @YourFoxFriendYT
      @YourFoxFriendYT Рік тому

      @@EnbyLite NO HE DIDNT IM IN DENIAL AND THE KITTY CATS ARE OK

    • @FFgames446
      @FFgames446 Рік тому +1

      @@YourFoxFriendYT bro brenny says I still have nightmars about that cat

    • @SomeGrunt_On_Youtube
      @SomeGrunt_On_Youtube Рік тому +1

      @@YourFoxFriendYT “Look Gordon, I had to turn that cat right side out!”

    • @denifnaf5874
      @denifnaf5874 Рік тому +1

      ​@@SomeGrunt_On_UA-cam"to make sure it was a cat..."

  • @TheSixteen60
    @TheSixteen60 Рік тому

    It’s not just the hats, the weaponry was also changed.

  • @scantyer
    @scantyer Рік тому +1

    I mean i think the answer is that with new technology they could give the HL2 world more life by adding more details and such. HL2 is an old game after all

  • @KyleBrownIsALoser
    @KyleBrownIsALoser Рік тому

    Thanks for clearing it up!