As a former pupil of Clive’s and someone who actually knew him, I’d ask all the rather agressive purists in the comments to tone it down a bit. He’s a lovely man who’s very open about not playing straight flamenco and probably never imagined the video would get so much attention. Please don’t be so cruel towards a man just playing what he wants to play who love to hear him.
I am not being hurtful at all on my replies and/or comments, but my question to you is: does the "world" of flamenco, the culture of flamenco got a say when he decided to call this flamenco???....does this culture gets a say when this man uses a "flashy" title for his video, using the name of flamenco, gets 1,656,116 views, been able to make money out of it, and out of promoting his album? maybe it is culturally hurtful what he does??? I don't know...
Ishzark Klyon it has to be quoted in the sense he’s using it in as he’s referring to the utterance(s) of another/others. I take it you’ve never taken a proper English course before...
@@amjlegend8872 ua-cam.com/video/5MYaxB7LS7A/v-deo.html this is the speed of the greatest flamenco player. And this is a piece ua-cam.com/video/1T-V4KaO25U/v-deo.html
This guy is to flamenco what McDonalds is to Mediterranean diet. He might get away with this musical fish&chips in Derbyshire but if he dares to play that clownish crap in Andalucia he'll be lapidated. Rightfully so.
@Camille Lo Paco de Lucia, El Viejin, Antonio Rey, Tomatito, Diego del Morao, Manuel Parrilla, Jose Manuel Leon, Jesus de Rosario, Pedro Sierra, Roman Vicenti, Chicuelo...and many many more.
@@TansGauntlett Well . I'm a flamenco player my self and I've checked your channel and I like what I've seen . you are a talented flamenco player . Keep it up 👍
I worked in Wisconsin for one year. I had not played guitar for five years before that. While I was there he was not the best flamenco guitarist in Wisconsin.
@@LucianoGhosn the dolls agree that the Mexican sombrero would be a nice touch -- like Esteban. while I couldn't disagree any more strongly, it's just nice to see them getting along after last week. the italian-lebanese dolls faced off against the lebanese-italian dolls in a gang war and it was an absolute bloodbath.
Before i learned to play guitar this looked god-like but now that i learned guitar it just looks like a very normal thing you would hear a flamenco player play while he's warming up
Porfavor! This is the thrashing of hands and playing quick arpeggios with average picado. Commercial rumba. It's simple, Paco de Lucía played flamenco for the sake of flamenco, not for speed. He became the fastest because he mastered & perfected the technique as a byproduct of his passion for the art of flamenco, his culture. Not for a speed show. He's was and will be the quickest.
@@eugeniuswilliams5457 his rumba has much more of a light tough and skill involved in playing picado than this, not to mention the amazing improvisation, this is just kinda boring there's a reason it's only 2 minutes long and the 2nd minute is just a fast rumba pattern
I don't understand why people are calling this fake flamenco. He using proper strumming patterns. And the funny part, these 'critics' all speak English. I'd like to hear a Spanish guitar players take on this. It can be danced to, it sounds great, his strumming patterns are fast. People need to take their hate somewhere else. It's music non the less.
What the hell did I just watch? In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king! I think they're applauding his shirt because it was the most Flamenco thing on that stage, loud and obnoxious, like his playing!
Kino go listen to Paco de Lucia the greatest of all time and if you want to listen to the greats of today listen to Vicente amigo and Antonio Rey then you’ll see that this doesn’t compare, its good music but to call that the fastest/best etc is disrespectful to the guys I just mentioned they are true flamenco guitarist
UA-cam recommended this to me when I was watching "Poustini - Iranian Flamenco Guitarist". UA-cam, please, have mercy! Funny fact though - when I saw the title I thought this guy would be American. Well.. I forgot UK and it's tabloid "culture".
Cada vez que veo algún título sobre ''fastest flamenco'' o best flamenco'' en inglés y el guitarrista es un guiri, lo abro diciendome '' a ver pisha .....a ver por donde nos sale este....''
@@ishzarkklyon9590 is there something wrong with trying to impress people? Because i think performing in anny way shape or form is precisely to impress people..
@@MadaraUchiha-lo7qt no, impressing people isn't bad, doing it just for that calling it something it isn't with no sort of respect for what really deserves that name is
@@bensmith2596 a true artist doesn't give a fart about whether people are impressed or not. regardless of the art, its sole purpose is the free expression of a feeling, a thought, an idea. art is just there for art's sake, if people are impressed or touched, that's on them. he clearly doesn't express a whole lot in his performance, so I'm guessing he's trying to impress.
I am surprised at the negative comments. The guy can play. There are 2 types of artists, the fine artist or purist genius like Sabicas, Paco De Lucia, Vincente Amigo etc. and the entertainers....both equally important....let us be kind and supportive, the music industry is not easy and we all have to eat....well done Clive, energetic and emotional performance..BRAVO
LOL @ the haters on here. Its a similar argument to people saying Bonamassa doesn't really play the blues or have "soul" because he plays really fast. Sorry, this guy is very good at guitar, whatever you like to call this style, and would pwn almost everyone leaving comments. Now go back to your basements and cry to yourself as you try to master Smoke on the Water. BTW, the clapping at the end sounds fake. But who knows.
Because it's disingenuous and completely false. Maybe he's more competent as a guitarist than most people watching, but that doesn't invalidate him from criticism about dishonest marketing. If I sold you aspirin and told you it was aspirin, there'd be no issue. If I sold you aspirin and told you it'd cure your prostate cancer, now we got a problem.
I mean it sounds alright, but If you make a click bait type title like that, you can't expect anything other than the responses you're getting right now.
Don't understand the negativity. Why the snobbish and elitist comments ? Are you all jealous that you can't play as fast or as well as him ? Clive Harvey is clearly talented and the rapidity of his strumming is very impressive. His performance is there to promote this genre and captures the spirit of flamenco beautifully and should be applauded. Its critical assholes like you that that stunt the growth in the popularity of flamenco.
He doesn't promote anything but a watered-down caricature of "oh my god, he's playing FLAMINGO". Criticism doesn't necessarily imply jealousy, especially considering that most of the criticisms in this thread are about the inauthenticty of his music. Before you start throwing around words like "snobbish" and "elistist," understand what flamenco is. Know what a palo is, what a falseta is, what a compas is, the difference between a solea and a sevillanas. There's no shortage of good books out there, and plenty of legit players like Kai Narezo, Grisha Goryachev, and Jose Tanaka have free videos out on UA-cam right now explaining this. This guy's "flamenco guitar" is the equivalent of putting on a costume, playing three "funky" chords on a keyboard, and passing it off as "world's greatest jazz pianist." It's opportunistic dicks like this guy who stunt the growth in the popularity of flamenco, and brownnosers like you who speak with absolute conviction and no knowledge don't help.
Boris Katzmarzyk Flamenco is the music , cante and dance of the Spanish Gypsies that has evolved over the past few hundred years from the music of the Indian Gypsies, Jews, and Arabs as well Spanish dissidents. All these cultures had one common foe -the Spanish Inquisition. From this developed songs similar to the Negro Blues about their hardships, called "Cante Jonde". There are about 20 main styles of flamenco some gypsy, some non-gypsy and some adopted from Latin America. What this guy is playing is a very rough version of Rumba which many flamenco experts don't consider to be part of flamenco. Flamenco as we know it today is only about a hundred years old!
Boris Katzmarzyk Flamenco is an art form. the guitar is one aspect of it. There is also singing (cante), dancing (baile), as well as other musical instruments. Within the music of flamenco, there are various different rhythms or "palos". Some of the most popular are Alegria, Solea, Buleria, Tangos, Siguiriya. The different palos have different time signatures and/or qualities. For example. Tangos is a 4/4 time signature. Solea is a 12/8 time signature. What this guy in the video is playing is called "rumba". Some may argue that rumba is not even a real flamenco rhythm. Without getting into a debate, the rumba, as it is played in South America, has a very different feel than the way a flamenco musician would play it. In any event, the guy in the video is a poor representation, whether South American or Spanish/rumba. Even within Spain, the way a flamenco would play rumba is different than another region of Spain - Catalunya where they play rumba Catalana. Getting back to flamenco, the structure and feel of each palo is very different. I suggest that you do two things. First look up any video on you tube with these search words - flamenco alegria beginners. Something like that will show you very slowly how the palo goes and how to practice it. Then go and look for a video that says alegria flamenco Tomatito. Tomatito is one of the more famous flamenco guitarists. Here is a list of real flamenco guitarists. I'm mentioning mostly modern players. You don't necessarily want to be playing like Sabicas, though he was one of the greatest flamenco guitarists. Flamenco is an art, and as an art, it grows, it develops, and it changes. Anyway here are some guitarists to look up. Tomatito Paco de Lucia Vicente Amigo Jesus Guerrero Gerardo Nunez That's just to name a few. You can try matching some of the differnt names of palos and match them up with the different musicians I named. For example, search "Jesus Guerrero Buleria" and see if something pops up. STAY AWAY FROM Armik, Ottmar Liebert to name a couple. That's NOT flamenco. Hope this helps.
Not Flamenco, not even close to the speed of Paco De Lucia, very poor picado, not very clean. This is partly due to the fact that this guys technique is not very good. What a waste of such a nice guitar.
Hello Boris. Well, flamenco is the most complex and most beautiful culture, and music that I know. You should probably first read some things about flamenco history, and about flamenco styles - "palos". What are the basic - root - styles from which all other flamenco styles (more than 70) develop. What are the exact compases of these styles. Flamenco is very strict, with lot of rules, and it is imposible to learn everything unless you were born in Andalucia. So you try to learn what you can. If you want to become flamenco guitarist, it helps if you already play classical guitar. Still... it is a long road to go... Some years ago, I spent 8 months living in Granada, Sacromonte.... listening soul of flamenco people, learning from them, from Gitanos de Sacromonte, how to enjoy life, and how to play flamenco guitar, taking a lot of classes of guitar and palmas. I also learned Spanish language. Now I know a lot about it, but still... I have to learn also a lot, and I will be learning all my life. There are great flamenco guitarist that you can take classes online also. Adam del Monte, Jose Tanaka, Jose Luis Rodriguez... lot of material online. Still... you must learn basics correctly. This guy on a video play first some scale fast but except spanish guitar sound in the air... there is no flamenco here. Also, at the end, rhythm that he play is a very fast rumba, but rumba is not flamenco. Gypsy Kings are not flamenco... All this is to impress people that like this sound and it is ok. He plays ok what he plays... but it is not flamenco. Usually you have these kind of performance in Spain where this is presented to large group of tourists as flamenco... I have been in such show once in Barcelona. No flamenco.... Paco is one and only. God of flamenco guitar. Vicente is fantastic...
Hello Boris. Well, great that you already practice these techniques. Picado is technique that is also used in classical guitar (rest stroke), but alzapua and rasgueados are typical flamenco technique. Also golpe. Practicing technique is not enough and yes... you must learn structure and compas and typical falsetas (melodic parts) of flamenco styles, but not all of course. It is impossible. My recomandation is to start with Tangos, and later maybe Farucca, Alegria... Solea, Fandango, and later on, as more complicated Siguiriyas and Buleria. You can searh on a web for Ravenna Flamenco site for a start. Everything there is free and good explained. Also, you need to listen flamenco more... Not only guitar, but singing, a lot of singing. I listen flamenco all the time. Do not listen rumbas, and no sevillanas... We, flamencos, all have a lot of learning to do. I have been playing for a lot of years and I think, I am sure that I am still a begginer :) Have a nice learning and enjoy :)
1:13 me the first time I played guitar
Haha
That's so true
Hahaha
Lol
lmao
As a former pupil of Clive’s and someone who actually knew him, I’d ask all the rather agressive purists in the comments to tone it down a bit. He’s a lovely man who’s very open about not playing straight flamenco and probably never imagined the video would get so much attention. Please don’t be so cruel towards a man just playing what he wants to play who love to hear him.
It's the arrogance the title implies, not saying Clive is a bad man. But to call this flamenco is so misleading
@@poodle3507 yeap!
I am not being hurtful at all on my replies and/or comments, but my question to you is: does the "world" of flamenco, the culture of flamenco got a say when he decided to call this flamenco???....does this culture gets a say when this man uses a "flashy" title for his video, using the name of flamenco, gets 1,656,116 views, been able to make money out of it, and out of promoting his album?
maybe it is culturally hurtful what he does??? I don't know...
It’s rumba not flamenco
He could just not put the word flamenco on it and I’d be a happy camper. Probably even give his video a thumbs up.
I don’t care if it’s “not flamenco”. It still sounds super cool!
bullshit
@@joseftudor8312 no u
@@koba5152 okay
It isn't, no need to quote it
Ishzark Klyon it has to be quoted in the sense he’s using it in as he’s referring to the utterance(s) of another/others. I take it you’ve never taken a proper English course before...
Quick suggestion : Remove "Flamenco" and "Fastest" from title.
😂
i agree
It did set the expectations really high. Instead of enjoying the piece, I found myself disappointed because its not the "fastest".
@@MohamedFelfel902 Perhaps insert a real audience as well.
JAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAA en Serio 😂
When you want to impress a bunch of tourist boomers who have never seen flamenco before
he deadass just played nothing for about 30 seconds at one point
Christ absolutely this is shite!
Exactly
That's so disrespectful
@@pranitanath5046 it's the truth its not disrespectful
01:22 when your alarm goes off and you’re reaching for your phone to shut it off.
classical guitars are so soft to watch. love it
It's not authentic but it sounds good. Can't believe there's so much negativity out there.
Ikr
Girlfriend: “what them fingers do..?”
Me: 1:30
😂
Calling this flamenco is an insult to spanish people.
Exacto amigo
Hi, I would like to know what this should actually be called, it’s absolutely amazing btw
@@amjlegend8872 ua-cam.com/video/5MYaxB7LS7A/v-deo.html this is the speed of the greatest flamenco player. And this is a piece ua-cam.com/video/1T-V4KaO25U/v-deo.html
Sergio Bob Castillo Riquelme right!
Call me uncultured but what does flamenco even mean-
This guy is to flamenco what McDonalds is to Mediterranean diet. He might get away with this musical fish&chips in Derbyshire but if he dares to play that clownish crap in Andalucia he'll be lapidated. Rightfully so.
Best comment so far! :)
Why you say that
Nigga I’m hungry now
I couldn't have said it better good sir 👌
@Camille Lo Paco de Lucia, El Viejin, Antonio Rey, Tomatito, Diego del Morao, Manuel Parrilla, Jose Manuel Leon, Jesus de Rosario, Pedro Sierra, Roman Vicenti, Chicuelo...and many many more.
In Spanish this is called "Mierda"!
Does that mean "murder"?
@@eugeniuswilliams5457 that means shit
Hola! You seem like a tough critic- I would be happy if you would critique the Flamenco guitar on my channel as well!!!!!
@@TansGauntlett
Well . I'm a flamenco player my self and I've checked your channel and I like what I've seen . you are a talented flamenco player . Keep it up 👍
LMAO!
Video ended and am still waiting for the flamenco
What is this called then
@@Noname2000x just guitar, cause that ain't flamenco nor the fastest
I may only be learning this style of guitar but I agree not what one expects
01:22 when you need to dry your hands but you have no napkin
So, when the flamenco comes in?
Moloko this is a fucking Flamenco Fake
Moloko Thomas
Thomas dolby
Flamenco is the name of that guitar type
Flamingo
@@orhanaydn495 shut up and go back too your room
es el mejor guitarrista flamenco de un pueblo de wisconsin
si, de lucia toca piano
Ni el mejor de Wisconsin. El mejor de su casa!
Jajajajajaj
@@schbrachbolidsei como yo de la mía :+)
I worked in Wisconsin for one year. I had not played guitar for five years before that. While I was there he was not the best flamenco guitarist in Wisconsin.
this is what happens when you learn flemenco from Quentin Tarantino's guitar guy
Trashmenco 😂
I guess this is what I should do for the 2.5M views?
@@LucianoGhosn the dolls agree that the Mexican sombrero would be a nice touch -- like Esteban. while I couldn't disagree any more strongly, it's just nice to see them getting along after last week.
the italian-lebanese dolls faced off against the lebanese-italian dolls in a gang war and it was an absolute bloodbath.
@@LucianoGhosn WOW BUDDY I BET U CAN'T PLAY HALF OF THAT, LETS SEE U UPLOAD A VIDEO SOMETIME, DAMN KIDS THESE DAYS NO RESPECT!!!!
@@coperniggus9314 🤡
This is basic stuff it's just showing off
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Good for you, Sir!
lol
hahahahahahahah. hello maestro Grisha! 😄
You’re a god.
Jajajajajajajajaja 😂😂😂😂
When you miss the point of flamenco's HEART for the guitar
Stunning how long this video is...to bear.
'I looked at my guitar🎸'
My guitar: 'Don't even think about it'
this is far beyond being the fastest flamenco guitar , not bad though
You mean far from?
@@BestKCL Most likely, English is probably not their first language
@@walkerx1813 Yeah it's okay though. We all started somewhere. 👌
Bro is a anime character with the shadow covering his eyes
@Green Rose listen to Paco de Lucia!
Amazing skills, well done Mr. Harvey... I wish I could play like this..
paco de lucia
Dude, you know what flamenco is ? He literally just played some 4 chord crap.
Oh no...the boomer tourist
@@blushiro29 It still needs a lot of skills I tried it once and my thumb hurts
1:13
THE POWER OF THE ULTRA INSTINCT
Before i learned to play guitar this looked god-like but now that i learned guitar it just looks like a very normal thing you would hear a flamenco player play while he's warming up
Umm that's not what we flamenco players play. That's just crap 😂
@@lingzhao5719 hahahaha exactly that, made my day 🤣🤣 it's just a simple wannabe rumba ripoff
Flamenco players would warm up with arpeggio and picado exercises.
@@albertolopezadrados8282 😂
Play it on 2x speed 😂
Hahaha
I tried it... it worked
XDDDD
Porfavor! This is the thrashing of hands and playing quick arpeggios with average picado. Commercial rumba. It's simple, Paco de Lucía played flamenco for the sake of flamenco, not for speed. He became the fastest because he mastered & perfected the technique as a byproduct of his passion for the art of flamenco, his culture. Not for a speed show. He's was and will be the quickest.
But it did take a Rhumba song for Paco to become 'famous' in the west?
This isn't even average picado, he's so tense and sloppy
@@eugeniuswilliams5457 his rumba has much more of a light tough and skill involved in playing picado than this, not to mention the amazing improvisation, this is just kinda boring
there's a reason it's only 2 minutes long and the 2nd minute is just a fast rumba pattern
This dude is making a full on hip hop beat with a guitar.
Check out Marcin Music :) he also did a tv talent show thing
Homophobia CEO
@@gabrielcorrea7914 Not all of us have to agree with the LBGTQ and the properganda shoved down our throats.
Still listening in 2020
I guess the woman who's supposed to dance along this "flamenco" would just be epileptic.
Or deaf
This is the best coment ever
The Best and The Fastes Was Paco De Lucia (R.I.P)
Check out Francisco Tarrega. He's considered the father of flemenco
@@piercedorman5350 Tárrega was the father of classical guitar, not flamenco.
He has nothing to do with flamenco
@@piercedorman5350 yeaah, no
@@piercedorman5350 the god of flamenco was paco de lucia
@@piercedorman5350 u idiot 😂 tarrega as „ father of flamenco“ 😂 dude no
I can mute with my hand and strum too..... does that mean I can play flamenco 😂😭
I don't understand why people are calling this fake flamenco. He using proper strumming patterns. And the funny part, these 'critics' all speak English. I'd like to hear a Spanish guitar players take on this. It can be danced to, it sounds great, his strumming patterns are fast. People need to take their hate somewhere else. It's music non the less.
The spanish are capeble of speaking english you know. This guy is not capeble of playing flamenco.
What the hell did I just watch? In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king! I think they're applauding his shirt because it was the most Flamenco thing on that stage, loud and obnoxious, like his playing!
When someone tries to put 20 years of research into one paper
Please rename the video, this is completely disrespectful to true flamenco players
Yes , a total nonsense that has nothing to do with flamenco
What do you mean
Kino go listen to Paco de Lucia the greatest of all time and if you want to listen to the greats of today listen to Vicente amigo and Antonio Rey then you’ll see that this doesn’t compare, its good music but to call that the fastest/best etc is disrespectful to the guys I just mentioned they are true flamenco guitarist
UA-cam recommended this to me when I was watching "Poustini - Iranian Flamenco Guitarist". UA-cam, please, have mercy! Funny fact though - when I saw the title I thought this guy would be American. Well.. I forgot UK and it's tabloid "culture".
there are people who can play the guitar and there are people who understand the guitar
This guy can barely play it and doesn't really seem to understand it either.
Just gave flamenco a bad name.
Its obvious you’ve never heard of “paco de Lucia”
True bro He never heard Paco
It may not be actual flamenco, but god damn is it impressive, the speed and precision
What precision?
He just doesn’t play at all for 60% of the song
Cada vez que veo algún título sobre ''fastest flamenco'' o best flamenco'' en inglés y el guitarrista es un guiri, lo abro diciendome '' a ver pisha .....a ver por donde nos sale este....''
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El baterista más rápido de la guitarra con los calcetines incorrectos
You didn’t need to speed up the film like you did towards the end, it’s already awesome enough.
Pov: Your in a desert on your horse, getting chased by bandits-
this is not flamenco ! it's goofy rhumba :(
greaat reply ; Goofy rhumba, that is so apt. (Not to trash yhe good rhumba players either}
i don't like this tourist flamenco stuff just to impress unknowing people 😖
if you can not appreciate the guitar for its song regardless of why they are playing.. then you failed to see the reason of the guitar
@@bensmith2596 uh, the feelings are part of the song, and this is just "let's try and impress these people"
@@ishzarkklyon9590 is there something wrong with trying to impress people? Because i think performing in anny way shape or form is precisely to impress people..
@@MadaraUchiha-lo7qt no, impressing people isn't bad, doing it just for that calling it something it isn't with no sort of respect for what really deserves that name is
@@bensmith2596 a true artist doesn't give a fart about whether people are impressed or not. regardless of the art, its sole purpose is the free expression of a feeling, a thought, an idea. art is just there for art's sake, if people are impressed or touched, that's on them. he clearly doesn't express a whole lot in his performance, so I'm guessing he's trying to impress.
This is what one calls..Rumba.......And Rumba is a very serious part of flamenco...this player does understand the technique of Rumba
My dumbass keeps thinking these UA-cam titles mean it's a documentary about "Fastest So-so" or whatever.
*People critisizing I bet you can't even play flamenco so shut up...*
I can, so you shut up.
@@barendbats6272 *I didn't even talk to you lol bye*
The guy in the video can't either lol
@@H4XXOR666 *I'm learning it it's very difficicult. Do what he's doing before talking...*
@@harmonyVEVO It's not difficult at all compared to most flamenco pieces. His picado looks like it's his first day trying it.
It’s not like flamenco and rhumba get much attention and we should support a man keeping the music alive.
I have that same exact guitar, my dad bought it at a yard sale
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum
Dude, music is not a speedrace.
And even if it were Paco de Lucía still wins
Comedy gold!
1:10 when you forget the song
Wooow is beautiful hamza from Algeria thanks
Go to Andalucia and try to find out what Flamenco is and respect this art!
Fantastic playing dad :D love you lots xxxx
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What do you mean by fast because fast is like paco de Lucia Carlos Montoya or savicas
bunch of people who are jealous for this mans skills, spreading hate - good, more reason to put this on repeat :)
Este tío debería tocar en una banda metálica
I am surprised at the negative comments. The guy can play. There are 2 types of artists, the fine artist or purist genius like Sabicas, Paco De Lucia, Vincente Amigo etc. and the entertainers....both equally important....let us be kind and supportive, the music industry is not easy and we all have to eat....well done Clive, energetic and emotional performance..BRAVO
Andre Reginato I disagree. You need integrity in flamenco and all this crap does is to give flamenco a bad name. So don't call it flamenco!
You can eat without peddling a cheap imitation of genuine art.
LOL @ the haters on here. Its a similar argument to people saying Bonamassa doesn't really play the blues or have "soul" because he plays really fast. Sorry, this guy is very good at guitar, whatever you like to call this style, and would pwn almost everyone leaving comments. Now go back to your basements and cry to yourself as you try to master Smoke on the Water. BTW, the clapping at the end sounds fake. But who knows.
Esteban aint fuckin around with these infomercials anymore
Yeah lmao this isn't flamenco, but I still appreciate the great composition
Estupendo! The old boy has still got it!!
that transition tho
this is a caricature of the art.
i did not see any flamenco :|
Sorry man, this is big nonsense !
Hoi Ruud, denk ik ook - friggin awful, should be ashamed.
Why are people so toxic just because of title? He may be not the best, but definitely better then 99% of people in comments.
Because it's disingenuous and completely false. Maybe he's more competent as a guitarist than most people watching, but that doesn't invalidate him from criticism about dishonest marketing. If I sold you aspirin and told you it was aspirin, there'd be no issue. If I sold you aspirin and told you it'd cure your prostate cancer, now we got a problem.
Stupid caption but the artist is still doing his best
I mean it sounds alright, but If you make a click bait type title like that, you can't expect anything other than the responses you're getting right now.
Abhijeet Bhattacharya
oh my... this is awful, not flamenco
Luis Tapia I agree
what is the name of this song anyone knows
Finian Mackenzie Nit flaminco at all..Maybe the chords are in but not flaminco playing..The fastest that i ever saw is Paco De Lucia..
Still really fast since he is fingerpicking though I'll give him that. But no joke this did sound pretty bad : / in many parts.
Jorge B. What fingerpicking? He is only playing rhythm tricks that say nothing!
Classical guitar
I know producers finna sample this
when 1:08 started, I started to laugh
you DO realize that’s fake applause added in at the end, right? 🎸🤦🏻♂️👏
Me encanta como siempre que ponen el mejor, o el mas rapido, siempre son mataos haciendo el matao...
it sound like more rumba , its very good thou
muito bom!
fake-menco
Don't understand the negativity. Why the snobbish and elitist comments ? Are you all jealous that you can't play as fast or as well as him ? Clive Harvey is clearly talented and the rapidity of his strumming is very impressive. His performance is there to promote this genre and captures the spirit of flamenco beautifully and should be applauded. Its critical assholes like you that that stunt the growth in the popularity of flamenco.
He doesn't promote anything but a watered-down caricature of "oh my god, he's playing FLAMINGO". Criticism doesn't necessarily imply jealousy, especially considering that most of the criticisms in this thread are about the inauthenticty of his music.
Before you start throwing around words like "snobbish" and "elistist," understand what flamenco is. Know what a palo is, what a falseta is, what a compas is, the difference between a solea and a sevillanas. There's no shortage of good books out there, and plenty of legit players like Kai Narezo, Grisha Goryachev, and Jose Tanaka have free videos out on UA-cam right now explaining this.
This guy's "flamenco guitar" is the equivalent of putting on a costume, playing three "funky" chords on a keyboard, and passing it off as "world's greatest jazz pianist." It's opportunistic dicks like this guy who stunt the growth in the popularity of flamenco, and brownnosers like you who speak with absolute conviction and no knowledge don't help.
Me when I find out I am 0.000000001% Spanish:
He's wearing a hat and hiding his face because even he is embarrassed by what he's doing.
What is this rubbish? Not flamenco that's for sure!
*****
My thoughts exactly.
*sigh* I wonder if I'll ever understand flamenco....
Boris Katzmarzyk Flamenco is the music , cante and dance of the Spanish Gypsies that has evolved over the past few hundred years from the music of the Indian Gypsies, Jews, and Arabs as well Spanish dissidents. All these cultures had one common foe -the Spanish Inquisition. From this developed songs similar to the Negro Blues about their hardships, called "Cante Jonde". There are about 20 main styles of flamenco some gypsy, some non-gypsy and some adopted from Latin America. What this guy is playing is a very rough version of Rumba which many flamenco experts don't consider to be part of flamenco. Flamenco as we know it today is only about a hundred years old!
Gitanoz he quite good player ? :)
Vladimir Bogosavljevic what he plays is very easy showmanship and Not Flamenco.
Boris Katzmarzyk
Flamenco is an art form. the guitar is one aspect of it. There is also singing (cante), dancing (baile), as well as other musical instruments.
Within the music of flamenco, there are various different rhythms or "palos". Some of the most popular are Alegria, Solea, Buleria, Tangos, Siguiriya. The different palos have different time signatures and/or qualities. For example. Tangos is a 4/4 time signature. Solea is a 12/8 time signature.
What this guy in the video is playing is called "rumba". Some may argue that rumba is not even a real flamenco rhythm. Without getting into a debate, the rumba, as it is played in South America, has a very different feel than the way a flamenco musician would play it. In any event, the guy in the video is a poor representation, whether South American or Spanish/rumba. Even within Spain, the way a flamenco would play rumba is different than another region of Spain - Catalunya where they play rumba Catalana.
Getting back to flamenco, the structure and feel of each palo is very different. I suggest that you do two things. First look up any video on you tube with these search words - flamenco alegria beginners. Something like that will show you very slowly how the palo goes and how to practice it. Then go and look for a video that says alegria flamenco Tomatito. Tomatito is one of the more famous flamenco guitarists.
Here is a list of real flamenco guitarists. I'm mentioning mostly modern players. You don't necessarily want to be playing like Sabicas, though he was one of the greatest flamenco guitarists. Flamenco is an art, and as an art, it grows, it develops, and it changes. Anyway here are some guitarists to look up.
Tomatito
Paco de Lucia
Vicente Amigo
Jesus Guerrero
Gerardo Nunez
That's just to name a few. You can try matching some of the differnt names of palos and match them up with the different musicians I named. For example, search "Jesus Guerrero Buleria" and see if something pops up. STAY AWAY FROM Armik, Ottmar Liebert to name a couple. That's NOT flamenco.
Hope this helps.
Very good ❤️❤️
Do you have a problem with your ears?
It’s incredible
Not Flamenco, not even close to the speed of Paco De Lucia, very poor picado, not very clean. This is partly due to the fact that this guys technique is not very good. What a waste of such a nice guitar.
Paco De Lucia is with broken hand/fingers much faster..change the title to amazing, magic, fast or something else Guitar but not "fastest" : )
Enormissime monsieur respect 🙏👍👍
Very impressive 👍
Flamenco? Where...? Just for tourists...
Hello Boris. Well, flamenco is the most complex and most beautiful culture, and music that I know. You should probably first read some things about flamenco history, and about flamenco styles - "palos". What are the basic - root - styles from which all other flamenco styles (more than 70) develop. What are the exact compases of these styles. Flamenco is very strict, with lot of rules, and it is imposible to learn everything unless you were born in Andalucia. So you try to learn what you can.
If you want to become flamenco guitarist, it helps if you already play classical guitar. Still... it is a long road to go...
Some years ago, I spent 8 months living in Granada, Sacromonte.... listening soul of flamenco people, learning from them, from Gitanos de Sacromonte, how to enjoy life, and how to play flamenco guitar, taking a lot of classes of guitar and palmas. I also learned Spanish language.
Now I know a lot about it, but still... I have to learn also a lot, and I will be learning all my life.
There are great flamenco guitarist that you can take classes online also. Adam del Monte, Jose Tanaka, Jose Luis Rodriguez... lot of material online. Still... you must learn basics correctly.
This guy on a video play first some scale fast but except spanish guitar sound in the air... there is no flamenco here. Also, at the end, rhythm that he play is a very fast rumba, but rumba is not flamenco. Gypsy Kings are not flamenco... All this is to impress people that like this sound and it is ok. He plays ok what he plays... but it is not flamenco. Usually you have these kind of performance in Spain where this is presented to large group of tourists as flamenco... I have been in such show once in Barcelona. No flamenco....
Paco is one and only. God of flamenco guitar. Vicente is fantastic...
Hello Boris. Well, great that you already practice these techniques. Picado is technique that is also used in classical guitar (rest stroke), but alzapua and rasgueados are typical flamenco technique. Also golpe.
Practicing technique is not enough and yes... you must learn structure and compas and typical falsetas (melodic parts) of flamenco styles, but not all of course. It is impossible.
My recomandation is to start with Tangos, and later maybe Farucca, Alegria... Solea, Fandango, and later on, as more complicated Siguiriyas and Buleria.
You can searh on a web for Ravenna Flamenco site for a start. Everything there is free and good explained.
Also, you need to listen flamenco more... Not only guitar, but singing, a lot of singing. I listen flamenco all the time. Do not listen rumbas, and no sevillanas...
We, flamencos, all have a lot of learning to do. I have been playing for a lot of years and I think, I am sure that I am still a begginer :)
Have a nice learning and enjoy :)
Boris Katzmarzyk I am glad if I really help...
Good guitarist but for the circus, not to play flamenco
Not even the circus!! This guy couldn't play a PASO DOBLES !!! You should check out my Flamenco for better, more reverent Flamenco palos.
This is prime Hector Salamanca
Man started practicing chords at 1:13