Finding Hidden Treasures in the Floor! - Renovation
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I did the same thing as you did, only that i had 5 layers of floring of different hight. I left the dirt in as well but regrett it now as there is a lot of very fine dust in my appartement. Cleaning everything out and replacing it with fire resistent insulation would have probably been smarter in hindsight
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…and/or add a layer of plastic / vapour barrier below the floorboards to keep the dust contained.
I told him to do this when he did the video tearing down the first ceiling and dumping all the crap into the floor void - I TOLD HIM it will be a problem later, he clearly didn't listen. Maybe if I had a channel with 500k subscribers showing all the building work I've done in the last 20+ years he might have paid attention, I don't have a channel because I'm too busy actually working, just like most other good builders.
Clean this old dust. This situation isn't very healthy. Think about this... Your work is so, so perfect. Please change this old dust to a new and modern material.
isnt the dust from the ceiling?
Really awesome to see the levelling process in detail. I have just bought a flat built in the 1830's!! and it really needs its floor levelling/supporting better.
Great job brother's. Perfect project 👌😍👌😍
My mind is literally blown away about this whole dirt thing. It seems so crazy to me!
Your mental strength through this project is astounding! Well done with the work so far. Look forward to seeing more :)
Great project, it keeps me intrigued.
You guys really go for it.
Thank you so much for sharing.
On the one hand, I kind of wish I know what is still coming up. Then again, every time the "show" is appreciated because it is enjoyable as it comes.
Best wishes to You and the lovely Team. 👋🏻🌿
P.S.
Wonder if you will still be able to get some /most of those old nails...
I'm really excited to see what you do after all the demo is done. This is a very cool project, thanks for sharing it with us. Very entertaining and intriguing
Love this series. Thanks for sharing, Alex. 👍
Awesome!!!
This project is amazing to watch. You got a nice clean way of working and it's fun too see a couple working together on their future.
I am loving this project!
Looking forward to you're next video already, keep up the great work!
cant wait for the next episode
This is actually painful to watch. So much work! But, the result will be massively better, as hinted at by the exquisitely flat flooring you temporarily put down.
Fun to see the alcohol-related artifacts in your apartment. Around here, when electrical utility workers were installing high-tension lines 40-50 years ago, after work (hopefully) they'd get drunk and drive their cars up canyons and off cliffs, and then abandon the wrecks for our discovery and enjoyment while out hiking. When my father and I were remodeling our 1890's bungalow in Chicago, we discovered a neon sign and a neon sign transformer buried in the rock wool insulation under the attic floor 🙂
No the fun begins, i thought it was smart plain the beams down to the laserline. Nice 👍🏻🙂
good job
Man, that’s a lot of dirt. I guess that it’s ok to leave it there but for me I’d remove every last bit of dirt for three reasons. 1. To see if the structure is sound or needs repair. 2. To add insulation. 3. It’s dirt! 😊 Love seeing old buildings properly rehabilitated, nice work.
love this series! keep it up!
Kool project. Can you tell us the permitting/inspection process?
Great job dude!
Really loving this series. Commenting for engagement.
Christiana was not named Oslo untill 1925, so those things are not even 100 years old. I think the floors is from the 40s
OOOHH would it be possible to turn that brick doorway into a wider arch? It would really open it up and also make it easier to navigate but I think you mentioned that was a load bearing wall and I have no idea the complexities involved with something like that. Loving the remodel vids though, can't wait to see more! =)
Lovely, good job
2:41 FIRE IN THE HOLE
💡It's the construction debris from when the building was built. Instead of cleaning up they just shoved it under the floor boards.
I am really enjoying the series!
My only criticism is the old material from the floors not being removed - the dirt. To me it seems that with that removed, it would be a better building experience and lack of pollutants in the apartment.
I am excited to see the finished apartment. Hope you both are safe and healthy during this build.
I´m surprised the dirt is not replaced by the modern equivalent im the process.
I found a can of Prince Albert tobacco in an old storefront/movie theater doing drywall.
I hope you've kept the stuff you found and make a shadowbox for it all.
alex did a great job creating a new subfloor frame system. By adding board to each side of existing major beams he created an 'I' BEAM - super strong- plus the addition of smaller braces/cross beams - he has amped up the structurally integrity of that area of apt. But it's only has good as what it's tied into - so what are the big beams tied into and how?
NEW BUILDING MATERIALS wow so much weight on that ONE AREA OF FLOOR ( and that's also the ceiling of apartment underneath) - new sheetrock and lumber piled-up -1200lbs? that is asking those 4 or 5 130 year-old beams to take sudden stress and to not break away at the tie-ins to exterior walls. I'm trying to picture how that cross beam (floor) is fitted into the brick exterior wall; probably timber frame with bolts?
Never seen dirt used in a dwelling before
I think you should leave some time capsule under that floor so that when they renew it in another 130 years
Is your house a ground floor or second floor? how can there be so much land there?
From what I can tell, it's at least the third floor.
wow no floor heating? you could make them with DLH thermogulvspånplade 620x1820 mm
Hide some treasures from nowadays on the floor, so someone in the future could find it, hehe
What kind of laser are you using? Could you share?
Ok, pause. Look at this man, look into his eyes. This man is insane. Ok, let's continue.
Please buy an impact driver if you are going to put in that many screws, it will change your life.
Why not lay a level concrete slab? You’re on the ground floor so it’s weight wouldn’t be an issue.
What's the design rationale of the dirt/sand under the floor? Is this a typically Norwegian thing ?
Man this is a very very weird way of construction... I am fom Bogota Colombia and the building process here is very different... 😮😮😮😮
Great job by the way
Why are the floors filled with dirt?
what floor are you on why don't you remove all that dirt and relieve stress on the building and put in actual insulation
This dirt is unnecessary heavy on construction. 15 years ago i remove dirt and fill areas between wood beams with styrobeton. (Some old apartament in Malmö)
Why didn't you remove all that dirt? Does it have any function (sound, temperature insulation?)?
I know its a hassle, but wouldn't be better to just do the work, and get rockwool floorisolation, rather than dirt? Wouldnt it lower noise between your apartments? Or at least between the dirt and floor
rockwool is terrible sound proofing compared to the existing ash.
Can you please address the dirt in one of the videos, why is it there and why keep it? Like others have said, it makes no sense, modern insulation is cleaner and lighter.
There's no reason for getting rid of the dirt just because it's already there. The amount of work required to remove all this dirt and later replace with modern insulation will be massive and questionably unnecessary.
it's great for fireproofing and stopping the sound. and he will be adding modering insulation on top so he gets the best of both worlds
Remove the dirt!
Poor neighbours.
Crazy how much dirt is in there. Great sound isolation from your downstairs neighbours, but I would be worried about dust. A ton of work to remove so I get leaving it, but you could also hire a Vacuum Truck. I guess you could use a vapour barrier to seal it off from the room also. Awesome work so far!
If you remove it the floor becomes bouncy. The beams has been under heavy weight for a hundred years. The beams has conformed to the weight. We removed it in our summer house. It’s still on my list of the biggest mistakes of my life.
@@jesperweltz7146 I realize its there intentionally but it goes against what most of us in North America are accostomed to seeing. That doesn't make it wrong, just 180 degrees from what we are used to. But there are few buildings still standing here that are over 300 years old. Within 5 miles of me there might be a few hundred, but this is an area that was first inhabited in the middle 1600s, so older than most of the country.
Well done 👍 Did you consider digging up the dirt and replace it with modern insulation? It would add time and cost to the project for sure, but perhaps a better solution than living on top of 100 years old dirt? It might prevent the building from continuing sinking into the ground as well? It has to be extremely heavy... 🤔
Dry dirt ain't as heavy and I think dirt is a better insulation for such a house. Especially since it protects the wooden beams quite nicely by sucking away any moisture that may sink into the wood. If you add modern insulation, you gotta take into consideration, moisture/ventilation among other bits to prevent mold etc. Here, ya don't. Because the dirt just disperse the moisture. How ever, if he were to ever have a water leak. It will be a bad day.
@@Helveteshit Yeah i recentrly read an article about this. Old building does not match modern insulation, indeed it prevents from drying if it gets moist, so old building must have old methods because if you don't you must need to take into account ventilation, spaces, humidity, sun light which must of old buildings were not thought as today, they were thought to be dry by clay or sun and air, choose one. So sometimes you will see wood exposed to the weather but the cycle itself drys the wood
Dirt does a way better job at sound deadening than modern insulation which frankly is more important than heat insulation between floors.
The wooden beams lasted over 100 years with that dirt. I wouldn't risk it.
@@draakevil They’re fine it seems. Beams, and wood in general, from that time was of very good quality compared to todays wood because they used heart wood from slow growing trees. They deal very good with moisture and it seems it hasnt been much moisture there. Solid.
Is this a thing over there (accross the pond) to have dirt between joists? Excuse my naivety but I've been watching all your videos scratching my head about this dirt. I think I remember you saying your on the 3rd floor; my god that must be so heavy for that structure to hold all that dirt. Keep the videos coming they are great.
This is a 130 year old building... before good insulation was created. Made sense back then, in such a cold climate. It's a good insulator. And saves him money buying new expensive modern insulation.
It's quite simply fireproofing, soundproofing and stabilizing mass all in one, originally it was clay that was packed tightly to the beams preventing fire from spreading.
Yes wood burns, but rather slowly when it's from one side only..
Stabilizing mass is necessary because the bricks are kept together with their own weight, a flexible lime mortar and the weight from the ceiling/roof above
Got to imagine that it would insulate fairly well, and just as importantly it would dampen noise massively
I was about to ask this same question.
Really common in Central-/ North-Europe for Buildings this period. And its a relatively good insiulation. Typical they used sand in between, but because of costs its often just dirt or, in the worst case, slag from a blast furnace. This stuff is really nasty. Its like coast dust. Everything is just black and smeary.
that dirt would drive me mad. Why not replace it with proper insulation's and soundproofing?
Exactly, don't understand why he is leaving it there...
Didn’t get it as well. Will sound pretty hollow with all that air
Actually, we had the same stuff in our kitchen where we did replace it, but all our other rooms still have it, and it is a mixture sand, clay, and hay or something like that, so it actually does some amount if insulating and soundproofing, so it’s not necessarily worth the effort of replacing it
I feel like it would cause allergies
I had the same feeling when they dumped all the dirt from the ceiling under the floor. Not due to insulation or fire but because it's just nasty. Just clean it up and do with the void what you want.
Maybe put some things under the floor for the next renovator to discover. Congrats getting to that major milestone! This is the exciting point when the project transitions from demo to where you start to build things... Demo is always messy and now for the rewards of your hard work!
Why leave the dirt there? Wouldn't it be much better to use that space to sound dampening mats/insulation? You are ripping the whole apartment back to the minimum, why leave any old dirt? You now have the possibility to really make things right and more or less up to modern building standards in Norway. You also have plenty of space for running cables etc there.
Amazing effort. It's great to observe gradual progress of reconstruction. I am from the Czech Republic and five years ago I also did a similarly radical renovation in our 150-year-old family home. Due to the extensive damage to the supporting beams (woodworm), I ended up replacing them all with concrete POT beams and also installed underfloor heating (btw. the best idea what I did). But I was very surprised that the floor composition in my house, including the dirt (slag) was exactly the same as in your appartment in Oslo. Watching your videos brings back vivid memories of the tremendous amount of dust and effort it cost me. I wish you much patience and good luck with the renovation. The reward will be very sweet. If you do the renovation all by yourself, the apartment will grow all the more dear to your heart. Good luck.
Love this series, but please tell me you're going to remove all the dirt as well?
Love your videos and this new renovation project. Great work 👏👏👏 Still don't understand why you decided to leave all the dirt under the floor. Is there a functional reason justifying this decision e.g. sound/thermal insulation or is just cost saving for not having to take it away? I don't think I would be comfortable knowing that there is all that dirt under the floor 😉 Keep up the good work 💪
Same, I'd rather have insulation than dirt. That would bother me forever. But Not my home.
I wondered if the dirt is actually acting as a heat sink similar to earth homes?
I have dirt insulation in the ceiling and an extension without. The old part, ( fom 1946)can't hear my neighbour and their 3 children. New part, I can totally hear them. And in a wooden building it's great. It's not flammable.
Its ash, its there for sound deadening and its also good at stopping fire spreading, It's in every OLD building. Why on earth would you take it out? Unless just removing small amounts for pipes etc.
@@Savagetechie It's expensive and time consuming to replace it, but it's not really a good solution for the building or the ones living there.
You are a brave man! Loving this. Did a Reno myself and it's real hard work
I don't know about Oslo, but here in the states, reclaimed antique building materials are a huge thing. ESPECIALLY reclaimed flooring.
As an asthmatic, I'm also not convinced by the dust isolation. Yes it burns very bad, is not safefor any life to install or moisture to grow... But having this next to the beams? Well, the house is 130 yr old, so it would have break way before if it has to.
But I would also hire a vacuum digging company, vaccum all this in almost 2hrs, and put in place good quality insulation. But that's a supplemanetary cost!
Maybe just adding a vapor barrier to stop any dust from travelling by air movements would be great.
Enjoying this serie really a lot! Waiting for the next one ^^
I would of added a vapor barrier (polyethylene) before laying down the floor. Just to prevent that dust to go through. As always, enjoying you video :)
You should really consider radiant floor heating since you're down that far. It's almost a no brainer. If you would have removed that nasty dirt and insulated first it would have been even better. At the very least a plastic vapor(and dirt) barrier should have been installed.
I like, that it seems to be a universal reaction to new floor to first lay down on it :-D
Good job on the progress! Excited for all the upcoming changes!
Homes that old have wood that is *old growth wood where trees grew for centuries and the wood is incredibly strong* (try nailing through it compared to wood of the same thickness today) but hey, "nice work" cutting the subfloor into short pieces ripping it out and discarding it - you threw away great wood and good money.
great Video Alexandre! the OCD in me would have taken every bit of dirt out ..lol..
Yeah exactly
May I ask why there is dirt or perceptively dirt or major dust in the floor? Is it a type of insulation we likely dont use in the US or in this era of building anymore?
Alex I love how constant you are! People generally start a project and then upload videos about it randomly when they want. You're keeping it up, keep going!
Alex and Modustrial Maker keep me going during the months between ijessup's Poophouse renovation updates 🤣
Why do you not have plastic under your floorboards? I thought there would be a lot of dust from the gravel and sand.
What's with the dirt filling in the floors? Is this standard for (older) houses in Norway?
Remove the dirt, it‘ll drive you nuts! Replace it with proper insulation :)
We did the same almost a year ago in our kitchen. We took out all the old flooring, which was multipe layers by the way, and took out all the sand, which I think was aroung a 1000 kilos, and then leveled the floor properly... Super dusty process, but was definitely worth it, as we now have concrete working surfaces in the kitchen which is super cool, and we wantet the old wood thats keeping everything up not to get too much weight ontop...
Really cool project, loving it, excited everytime a new video gets up!
great work so far. ive done up 2 houses now and enjoy the demo work but nothing like how much you have done. kudos. glad you are young as doing this in a few years will mess up your back!
🔥Great video! It is a pleasure and a great honor to collaborate with you on and off our platform. Your course is a success!
You could use some of the old boards on one wall to bring some of the old to the new age. You know how people use reclaimed wood for certain walls, that's what you can do. That would be cool. And you can say that your wall is 130 years old lol
Oh, it's looking better already, Alexandre! Nicely done! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I could do with those floorboards
Why not using concrete to make the floor completely flat? Is cheaper than wood.
I love watching this story of how you're turning this space into your dream home. Thanks for taking us along and documenting all the steps in such detail. It's a delight to see the enthusiasm you both have for the project. Looking forward to the next installment!
That type of floor you don't need the joints to sit over a beam as they slot together but it's looking great.your videos haven't shown up on my UA-cam for ages so I'm playing catch up and watching all back to back. Lol
Just one thing. Why on earth are you keeping the dirt in the floor? 😅
How ALCH's appartment was built 130 years ago : ua-cam.com/video/eesj3pJF3lA/v-deo.html
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What about an epoxy (type) spray application on all that dirt/historic insulation that would solidify it?
Possible improving its density and atmospheric/airborne properties??
Good luck man/gal
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I'm not quite sure these floors have never been open before. According to Wikipedia, bottle caps were invented exactly 130 years ago (in 1892) in the US and I'd think they took a while to spread. So finding several of them under an untouched pre-1900 floor seems a bit unlikely. The tin of electrical tape is even more suspect because I absolutely can't imagine a house built in the early 1890s having had electricity from day 1, not in Europe at least, and not in many US cities either.
I don't know about Norway but in Austria drinking on the job was rampant until the early 2000s. And yes, it shows.
DON'T LEAVE THE DIRT. REPLACE IT. With modern insulation. You will gain height, and much more benefits. Don't forget as you said the building has been "sinking" down.If you said that is your future home, then you should at least put some extra money to it ,if you are going to stay there for the rest of your life. My floor had minor-dirt, between huge wood beams ( i can even show you photos etc. ) but it was replaced within 5 years due to the havoc that it kept producing. All the best to you !
You're probably right about the workers building that apartment complex not being paid much. 130 years ago means that the building was constructed in 1892, but LO (the oldest trade union in Norway for non Norwegians) was first founded in 1899, which means this apartment complex was constructed in an interesting time period for Norwegian workers, as this was being built right in the culminating years before the trade union and the subsequent changes they made over the following 130 years. If you're reading this and you're not from Scandinavia, you may think we've gotten our worker rights as a piece of cake or not through much effort, but the reality is quite different. We've been fighting against corporate interests for well over a century to gain the benefits we have today. I'm personally a member of 3F (Fagligt Fælles Forbund) in Denmark, which is one of the largest and oldest worker unions in Denmark and I'm also a member of Socialdemokratiet, which is the Danish equivalent to Norges Socialdemokratiske Arbeiderparti (NSA), which in turn means I'm one of those fighting for more rights for the workers and less money to the already wealthy business owners of the larger corporations. Humans & love > profits.
Great job!
I did something similar to my flat from 1939, in Copenhagen. Same construction technique, but with smaller beams, closer together.
I would strongly recommend to add some glue between the new joists and the OSB/MDF panels, before screwing them down. It is a cheap insurance against squeaks. It would be a shame if after all that work, there would be some annoying squeak every time you walk by. Unless you're trying to keep some of the original hardwood features :)
I'm watching this with a lot of pleasure, it fun, but taking out the floor, isn't that effecting the ceiling from the neighbors down stairs?
Jeez, get rid of the dirt and replace it with proper insulation. Btw "it's not flammable" when there's clearly a top of wood chips in there 🤦♀️ Seriously?! Also at this point it's not just dried up clay/sand, but all sorts of nastiness. And you're not onlykeeping it for yourself (air quality anyone?), but also shoveling it to your downstairs neighbours, not cool! 😑
Perfectly level floor is overrated, especially if you pouring concrete. Something like 5cm slant over 10m is perfectly acceptable. You aren't doing concrete so it's not so critical for you, but the higher you raise the less rigid and more creaky floor could be. Not immediately, but in 5-10 years flaws can manifest.
So much dirt... you can start a potato farm in there
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Another great video! I'm loving seeing how this is coming along!
alex, really good job! really entertaining and interesting! can you please show at some time the map's apartment in each video? i know is not a really big appartment, but is often not really easy understand in wich zone are you working... big thanks and compliments! next build? a child? :)
Why not completly remove dust and dirt instead of putting it in the floor? I don't understand the reason... Better remove it and put some new "state of the art" clean and healthy isolation material. Also it's better to avoid allergies, asthma, mites...etc... Future chidren will be thankful for that ;)
My parents house is built the same way with loads of dirt between hoists. Common cost saving thing back these days. When the floor was rebuild we removed everything and replaced it with dry fill (Perlite). Cleaner and better insulation. Matter of cost?
Nice Video, I don't envy you with all that dust, but I'm sure it will be beautiful when completed. One suggestion is with the cross bracing, wouldn't it be more structural to stand them on end instead of laying them flat? The same way the main beams are?
Curious why not remove all the dirt, insulate with foam or something, and basically make it lighter, that way it should be easier/safer for everyone. Also, the beams, I wouldn't screw them into place, I would've built an I beam, or something very close to that that would mount on the existing ones (rest on them) so not to damage the old wood (to many screws) and also, that would give a lot of room for any mods.
I would have taken all that dirt out of the floor if it was me! Then go back and fill the whole thing in with spray foam!
One it would prevent the apartment underneath you and it would have prevented anything from falling through the floor into the next apartment in the future!
Plus, it would extend the life of the building as well! And sprayed the whole ceiling with foam as well! That would help with dampness and humidity too!
It would help with soundproofing as well!
the thing I don't understand is why have you decided to put the dirt back between the beams in the floor? I understand the apartment and so the house is at least 130+ years old, however the dirt won't do any good nether for comfort, nor for health or for energy efficiency. I guess I would have filled it up with cellulose or mineral wool instead, so a better separation / insulation from the neighbours is achieved. with current energy price trends insulating your house seems like the best possible investment.