Yes. It’s pronounced “HAY-dree-un” and don’t even ask about the tree. It’s worse than a dying dragon I love your videos so much. Absolutely love sponging up the lore from you three.
I saw that the flies eating the dragon head as another metaphor for the importance of the 'little' people in this show. An individual bug can be seen as powerless, but when they work together they can destroy what is seen as godlike.
Im sorry, Ryan, but Hadron is a super collider. Hadrian was a Roman Emperor who built a wall through the middle of Britain to keep the Celts out of the empire...
The entire "Daemon at Harrenhall" subplot is something they are spending way too much run time on. It was stale and boring last episode and now it's just getting annoying.
Yeahhhhhh, I'm not sure these two experts he has on every week really understands the source material or even the changes the show made. When they talk, it's like they're watching an entirely different show
Dragons do nothing to the night king. Targeryons only exist to provide him with a dragon to destroy the ice wall. The only thing he can't do himself. I hate everything about Aegons prophecy thanks to GoT s8. None of it matters.
I'm surprised nobody's talking about the potential return of Laenor Velaryon. Especially since he was a rider, you'd think Rhaenyra would have tried to keep in contact with her ex husband.
And actually when she leaves daemon and simon in the corridor, she goes behind simon’s back and disappears, even though the exit is to the right of simon
This she's a bit of an outsider. Being a bastard child and a witch will make others want to stay away from you. Book alys is 100% real and a thing but the shows is playing up the supernatural element.
Could be just a editing mistake. I mean you will be surprised of how many "Goofs" that can appear in a media without you seeing it. I mean i lost count of how many times that a piece of clothing or an actor wasn't in a same part compared to the previous scene.
Alicent giving serious Serena Joy vibes from Haindmaids Tale season 5, realizing the system she built is meant only to control and use her. And the system she overthrew is what gave her the power to do it.
The children of the forest made the night king sure, but then the Whites became their enemies. The children would absolutely be wanting the Prince who was Promised. If she’s a child of the forest, she’d be HELPING Deamon.
Something weird is definitely up with Alys. The scene from this episode at around 45:00 where she was speaking to Daemon then the current Lord of Harrenhall comes in on their conversation, he looks at her very strangely then as she goes behind his back she completely disappears from frame as if shes some kind of ghost.
I've heard SO many people say this. She doesn't magically disappear. It's the angle that she is walking back at, she is then blocked(in the shot) by the focal point- Strong. She is behind him, blocked in the shot because of the angle she is walking "out" of the scene at.
@@ianthorpe1925well every shot is planned, and based on execution you’d want to see her leave. Unless they explicitly planned to make her exit eerie. So either way they did it on purpose. Just to not lead to confusion you would have a framed shot like that with her exiting not be in frame unless you deliberately wanted to mask it.
I'm guessing that Daemon is the only one that can see her. Because when Daemon was just staring at her after their conversation ends and the Lord of Harrenhall walks in with the news he looks at Daemon and there is this look on his face like "who is Daemon staring at" as he also tries to look in the direction Daemon is looking and he sees nothing. Also the way Alys walks ever so slowly and then the Lord covers her and properly masks her is brilliant..
Could it be that the Night King somehow sensed that Jon and Dany were becoming close to finally coming together as Ice and Fire, and that is what motivates their first activity in thousands of years? (approaching the wall, exposing their existence frequently). Alice Rivers forsees that Azor Ahai will be born soon and the only way to prevent it is to destroy Targaryen power from the inside by turning Daemon. That’s how Ryan’s theory could work!
It would of been cool writing, if the people who are starving, attacked the severed dragon head and started to cut out the meat. When the dude said "It's just meat"
I thought they were at least going to ask if they could eat it.. either literally.. or saying it snarky.. as in oh nice you killed a dragon but can we eat it ..we're starving.. no well then be off with you
Some things are off limits due to taboo, like cannibalism. The small folks at King's Landing are still largely loyal to Rhaenyra and Team Black, due to the poor treatment at the hands of Aegon and Team Green.
I was actually halfway expecting that to happen. Talk about a sureFIRE (ha) way to bring the dragons down a peg or two in the eyes of the small folk. Them being starving and resorting to eating the dragon meat would have tied a number of different plot points together quite nicely.
Also, the greens major reason for having the houses committed to them that they have, are because they would not support a female queen. Putting Allison on the throne, even temporarily might make them lose their support that they have. And Amond is the next in line.
When Alicent suggested herself as Regent I instantly thought ‘What show has she been on? Does she not know everyone in that room is sexist? Does she not know about the entire conflict where she’s on the side where males inherit power before females?’
Yeah Alicent just keeps failing and choosing the wrong allies. Cristin, Larys, her sons, her dad, the whole council. Viserys and Rhyneara were probably her only trusting allies in the history of the show and she basically spat in both their faces because she was so desperate for some more semblance of power herself, through Viserys and her sons. She could have been an amazing advisor for Rhyneara but nope, she was upset she had sex... so then Alicent becomes way worse than what she hated Rhyneara for
It’s important that we remember that the show is not the “true telling” of the book. Just because something happens differently in the show doesn’t mean that the “true event. Two separate stories. The book is the book. The show is the show
I think they are using Alys to explore a lot of theories and lore surrounding Bran Stark in GoT that were left out of the show. She’s connected to the were trees, she’s hinted at warging and can manipulate dreams/memories, and is possibly encouraging Daemon to go mad (there’s a theory that Bran tried to manipulate King Aerys’ mind which turned him into the Mad King) so I think maybe using some unused info that was explored in book Bran’s POV to help explain some of the plot holes of TV Bran’s story. So she might be connected to the three eyed raven/children of the forest/old gods and might give a better insight and fill in some of the gaps. A bit like they’ve used the show to explain more about the song of ice and fire and its connection to the Targaryens and Starks.
She might even be aiding future Bran in some way or at least working for the three eyed raven. For example she might find out about the prophecy of the song of ice and fire and pass it on as it will be lost with Rhaenyra and Jace. Or might even become a red priestess who influences Melisandre.
@@Phbalancedshorty the theory is that Bran turned Aerys mad in a similar way that he did with Hodor. As the three eyed raven he can go back and see the past and manipulate it.
I think that Daemon has been asleep since he arrived. I also find it funny that no one else interacts with Alys. Maybe he is the only one who sees her, or he is (as I mentioned before) asleep this whole time.
The children of the forest believed the deads souls went into these trees, I'm thinking Alys Rivers is a ghost of one of the children of the forest and is now stuck in Harrenhall as a result of the trees getting cut down to build it....has anybody other than Daemon even aknowledged Alys? I'm thinking he might be the only one seeing her.
Can you check this one out. When Aegon was riding the dragon, it was his right side that was facing Aemond and Vhagar. Thus, it was that side that was burned. But when he was lying in bed, it was his left side that was burned.
Totally off topic. But I've this questions.. Before aegon's conquest, the family lived in dragonstone for more than 100 years. Daenys and her family left valyria with balerion and 4 other dragons probably (and some eggs too I guess). They layed eggs and vhagar and meraxes were born. But that's it? 5 dragons reduced to 3 even after 2 new dragons were born? In 100+ years? And in the next 100 years, even though vhagar laid egg like once and meraxes died after laying quite a few eggs (vermithor, silverwing and dreamfyre), they had more than enough dragons and eggs that so many of them were like riderless? The numbers are quite different. 1st 100yrs dragons reduced to 3 from 5. And next 100yrs their numbers increased from 3 to 15+. Isn't that weird? Especially since the OG members who left valyria must have possessed far better knowledge about blood magic and all
It was clearly shown in Game Of Thrones (and in the books) that The children of the forest hate the night king, they even form a pact with the First men (on the ise of faces) . And later fought with the first men giant The Others in the Longest Night. The Chirldern also help built the Wall and even help the Night Watch by gifting them with Dragonglass (which btw is made by dragon fire and was known in Old Valyrian as Forzen fire)
24:36 GRRM himself recently answered this in no uncertain terms: Dragons arent "nomadic". Dragonstone was the only place Targs settled when they moved themselves out of Valyria & it's a natural habitat for the dragons, it being an active volcano -- dragons love/need hot habitats -- so the Targ Dragons equate Dragonstone with "home" & don't roam too far from the isle. GRRM said the Dragons can be housed artificially, like at the KL dragonpit, but that's also bc that's where their Dragonriders are (nearby in the Red Keep). They'll also fly farther away, but only bc their riders went there (Riverlands, Vale, Dorne, the North [except beyond the Wall], etc), but they wouldn't go there alone. Theyd always choose to return to Dragonstone or the Dragonpit. Balerion, being the ONLY Dragon originally from Valyria is the onky dragon of the Targs that decided to "fly home" to Valyria...but that didnt go so well & is a different story.
Daemon took the egg from dreamfyre in the dragon pit at Kingslanding. He didn't find it at dragonstone. It was supposed to be Rhanerya's brothers egg which is why he took it.
I heard somewhere that this witch is one of the ancestors of the 3 eye raven we see in the Original GOT series. She is also wanting to stop the Night King, so she is helping them to get back on the Throne, she knows about the prophecy and knows about the battles of the future with the White Walkers and how important her family tree is. The 3 eye raven has to pass his knowledge onto Bran!!!
This episode had great moment and i appreciate the family dynamics after the dust has settled from their first dragon on dragon battle I just wish we hadn't lost so much time on daemon's witchy exposure therapy sessions.
What... the children made the night king to stop the first men but it backfired, and they created something worse. They need the prince that was promised to fight the white walkers as much as anyone. Plus, I don't know that they would all know about that prophecy. She's just a spooky Harrenhal witch messing with Daemon because he's killing and stealing her people.
One thing that stood out to me was the placement of the dragon head and Aegon. The spectacle of the dragon head was more important than the dying body of the king.
I think it make sense for alys river to be a ghost or some weirdwood eldritch being haunting the keep idk what it would mean for her storyline next season.
To me, the episodes are making it more and more clear that Alys only appears to Daemon. And when I say "Alys", I mean maybe "Alys" as Gayle Rankin. To me, it's especially implied by the music, you know, those voices humming when Alys is around, it seems like "Alys" is a manifestation of "other voices", it could be Daemon's inner-voices, like his turmoil and his emotions, but it could also be the Gods, speaking to Daemon through Alys. Or maybe, the Children of the Forest, speaking to Daemon through the manifestation of Alys. A beautiful, intense young woman that captures the mind and the eyes, but also physically opposes the Targaryen's ideals of beauty, just by the fact that her skin is so fair and yet her hair is so black. But what raises an eyebrow to me, is that this episode, we have Daemon tell to "Alys": "never meet Aemond, he's a war-criminal, he's a maniac, he's horrible" etc etc, and oops we get a scene of Aemond, profoundly reminiscent of Daemon's visions (him facing the Iron Throne and all), the same music of humming voices, and Helaena appaearing to Aemond. WHAT IF, Helaena in this moment is "Alys" too. But "Alys" taking a different form than "Gayle Rankin" to Aemond, because... well she can't appear as a complete stranger to Aemond. If "Alys"'s apparitions are connected to the Weirwood trees, what could stop "Alys" from appearing in King's Landing? There is a Weirwood tree in the Red Keep itself! Especially if "Alys" is connected to either the Gods or the Children of the Forest, both of whom are intimately tied to the Weirwood Trees. Idk, to me, there are a lot of clues in the subtext, implying that 1) ofc "Alys" isn't really tangible as a woman meeting Daemon would be 2) mayyyyyyybe she MET Aemond this very episode?? 👀 The music during the Helaena/Aemond scene really stuck with me, because it wasn't a "Targaryen/Hightower/Green" music, it was an Alys music! Idk, maybe she hides truly only from Daemon, and will truly "meet" Aemond, who knows really, buuuut there's more than her being a witch that's for sure
Wow and they say New Rockstars theories are off the rails. You clearly know nothing about the material by this horrible connection. There is so much that you got wrong that I can write a whole essay on it xD
I love the dichotomy between Heavy Spoilers and this. Former is full of jokes, and this foo (and team), are full of conspiracies that have weight to 'em.
Heavy spoilers doesn’t make mistakes with their knowledge of background and lore. These videos are chalked full of the (for example, if Alys was a CotF, she’d be helping Deamon, not hindering him… they created the Whites but after that they regretted it so they’d absolutely want the Prince who was Promised… and that’s just one from this episode).
There are more dragons at dragonstone because there is a dormant volcano there. The larger, rideable ones, that aren’t with the greens, are on dragonstone. The ones with the greens have to be kept in the dragon pit as they were, at one time, eating livestock in the crownlands.
If you're referring to the Azor Ahai prophecy they're not the same. Melisandre conflated the two together, but no other character has done this. Prince that was Promised COULD also be Azor Ahai, but there's no proof they're the same.
How is Rhaenyra caring and concerned about the small folk? She is the one starving them with the blockade. Please make it make sense. There are no good guys in this story. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wasted opportunity by the writers of the show not in the books? Showing a scene at the end of an episode where we see the carcass of a decapitated Meleys rotting where she fell. Suddenly a shadow engulfs the carcass and we see it’s the Cannibal! He swoops in to feast. We get our first look which ends with him looking right at the camera and firing a blast of fire as a warning to anyone or anything wanting to come near him
Love this! I’d only add one more detail. Meleys’ carcass is being carved up by bands of local peasants, the desperate “little folk” who suffer most in this war. We see fathers and mothers of young children slicing off strips of dragon flesh to feed their starving families, each of them overcoming the terrifying awe of this once God-like creature through nothing more than the primal drive to eat and to survive. Yet despite enough meat on the giant beast to feed half of Westeros, the peasants squabble and threaten one another, some even coming to blows that grow near deadly… Queue Cannibal’s shadow…
I thinks she’s a ghost/spirit no one else ever acknowledges her… also Sir Simon doesn’t see her and she disappears behind him whe he approaches Daemond
What is the purpose of the Three Eye Raven? I get that the person becomes a seer, someone who can see past, present, future; and if they can influence events in time, they are obviously very powerful and dangerous; but what is the purpose? Because before Bran, the ThreeEyeRaven was just stuck in that tree, doing what exactly? What are they protecting, what is their purpose?
Does anyone else see Ramsey Bolton when you look at Alice Rivers? I don't know if it's because she goes minutes without blinking or that their eyes sparkle when the facial expression is menacing or dead like. Is Daemon only able to see Alice since he's sleeping in that tree bed??? It's a total mystery within Daemon and Alice interactions. Harrenhal altogether needs a spin off.
Smartest Team Green political move would’ve been to send the baker apprentices in King’s Landing out to the fields of Rook’s Rest to carve up Meleys and serve the kingdom Hot Dragon Pies. “A good dragon pie is all about the ingredients. Flour, lard, water, eggs, milk, diethyl ether-easy enough. But the meat? Peacetime or not, getting your hands on a good bottom dragon round steak and dragon’s kidneys is not easy. I mean, some people settle for plain old sheep kidneys. Got no right to cook anything, them. Oh, and the gravy! Don't get me started on the gravy. Very difficult to get right. See, a lot of people give up on the gravy. You cannot give up on the gravy. No gravy, no dragon pie. Simple as that."
The series reminds me a bit of Andor in the fact that we are seeing how the war between "pseudo-gods" has an effect on the common person just trying to go about their lives.
Here’s a way out there thought. Did they ever say anything about Rhaenys Body? I mean they have the dragons head. Where is her body? I mean, Aegon survive a fall to solid earth. Is it possible she survived to fall? I mean, she was overwater I think.? would be a hell of a twist if she was able to come back and claim a bigger dragon ? The dragon rider I know in the books is different, but they’re not sticking strictly to the books saying. I know it sounds insane, but the fact that they never showed her actual body left it open
Queen Alysanne fiercely advocated for the crown to go Rhaenys or at least through Rhaenys as she was pregnant when Aemon (the oldest male child of King Jaeherys) died, so fierce that she uttered, "A good ruler needs a good heart, a cock is not essential. If Your Grace truly believes that women lack the wit ro rule, plainly you have no further need of me." She flew to Dragonstone on the back of her dragon, Silverwing and they remained apart for 2 years. This is known as the Second Quarrel. Even through all this, King Jaeherys never relented. It got complicated though when Baelon the Brave also passed away and there the Council was called as depicted in the first episode of Season 1 of HOTD
If she’s a chaos agent why would care about the small folks as long as she can save herself. The way she said it made it sound like there’s a deeper origin story buried underneath.
@@Darth_Mom_2 same if your going to talk on a show as deep and complex like house of drags, you gotta have legit knowledgeable guests. It takes away from how serious we take the content. Granted I love this channel and watch all the videos on my shows
when Hammer said 'It's just meat', I thought 'Vhagar could feed all those hungry people'. I'd love to see the storming of the dragon pit and small folk takedown of a dragon. Fleebottom needs a barbecue joint.
Damon is his favorite character, alongside Tyrion...so taking us inside his head traumas and motivations is extremely important in the long haul. He is being pushed to either kneel because his old ways don't work or have to face what he has always feared: being seen as an unimportant part of Targaryen history. Every vision he has of women is very relevant: He cannot connect with Rhaenyra because he cannot access his female, nurturing, diplomatic side, the one that analyses, waits, and listens before acting. When Laena says, " Have you been taking care of our girls?" This is his soul questioning him about all the feelings, emotions, and traumas he repressed. Until he can´t embrace his fragilities, he will never be able to reach his full strength....he is only half alive, with half-right-brain commands, with grief, anger, and fear of being unloved driving him at the core. He does not understand why the Brackens don't yield because he knows no loyalty, no group support...the only things he ever conquered on his name were by sheer force. And it amazes him that it does not work anymore, particularly in times of war. Sorry, I am done hahahah
Her last name is River, not Snow. And the only stark female bastard at the time and that would be Sara Snow. Just because she might be a green-seer doesn't make her a Stark. Anyone from the line of First Men can be Green seers, not just a Stark
@@Sarah.E.B it’s supposed to be a joke. I don’t think she’s a stark or from the north. It’s a reference to a character the actress played on another show. She was Sheila the She Wolf on the show GLOW.
@eyan1012 Actually, that is where you are wrong. She was a bastard daughter of Lyonel Strong, whose House was decent of The First Men. It's very similar to House Blackwood and House Bracken. There is a reason her power is mostly tied to the Werewoods in the show. Also, I am very sorry I am not that familiar with her past flims.
@@Sarah.E.B I’m not disagreeing with you, I know about Alys in the book. I’m just making a joke about the actress Gayle Rankin who played Sheila the She-Wolf on GLOW. Have you seen GLOW?
Too bad they know jack-shit about that series. XD might need to get actual people next time that actual knows the material because it clearly not these women xD
Its weird people are saying daemon is being enchanted/controlled. Arent only the vision he gets while touching weirwood getting manipulated? Every time hes in a vision hes touching a piece of wood? Harrenhall is "cursed" or "haunted" because of said wood imo. Really dont think people can be controlled unless youre a king and its a metaporh or your the night king and have wights 😂
I didn't think there was anything wrong with the next in line being the next in line. Anyone trying to pull the sexism card out when recently both their leaders were women is a bit daft. Them (including Rhaenyra) pointing out the differences in how their culture raises women and men doesn't mean what they said was sexist (even if they are) when in the majority of cases what they were saying was true.
has alice interacted with anyone other than daemon? simon gave a curious glance in the direction that daemon's gaze was in episode 5, almost as if he doesn't see what he's looking at, and then alice just kind of disappears behind simon. is she just in daemon's head?
Its been a while since I read the book. Dont remember everything that happens. But, from what I remember theres a few events happening soon I cannot wait for.
Man I’ve been watching this channel for like a month now , and I kept saying “I know this dudes face” ; and today I realized …. Man that’s video Ryan from Frenchwoods !!!! I hope all is well man ❤❤❤
I think the people care more about the dragons than people. If tomorrow I tell you a small folk, a Blackwood, or Bracken gets killed or a member of the Green or Black gets torched by dragon fire, nobody panics because it’s all part of the plan. But when I say one little old dragon will die, well, then everyone loses their mind!
Maybe Alicent saw an opportunity to gain regency, in order to have power to atone for green lighting the war on a misunderstanding, but of course, she was sidelined. I did enjoy her internal panic attack, she deserves to feel regret for the many years she invested feeding the division and hatred that fuels this war.
I definitely don’t think that she is trying to take down the targaryens, but if she was a child of the Forrest she would be trying to help Rhanerya and Daemon (don’t crucify me for spelling) Danerys is descendant of those two so it would stand to reason that she would want to ensure their line is the one that survives because of the prophecy because the children of the Forrest aren’t in league with the night king, they created him but they are not allies
There is zero evidence of her being a Child of Forest, first all she isn't Child size (r show any evidence of non-human features). And even if she was being warg by a cotF, they 1. Never even had that power to begin with, 2. Warging in another body will messed up your mind ( made this very clear not just in the books but also in the TV show). 3. There is zero evidence of her being warged by a COTF since humans under warning have only the white of their eyes)
So Daren is referencing a GRRM idea: finding an enemy to my enemy. George wrote another story where a Children of the Forest type race fights alien invaders by using their other enemies to take them down.
Jaehaerys would’ve never named Rhaenys his Heir even if Alyssane was alive, multiple times in the books he shut down her good ideas for diplomatic reasons. Unfortunately, it was always going to be a male that succeeded him.
@@TherealBH out of the heirs he have to choose from Rhaenys is the most worthy and competent, I think it’s unfortunate that the most fit person to rule a kingdom isn’t picked regardless of sex
23:54 I really thought they were trying to find dragon seeds. It seemed very implied when they were looking at their history scrolls…IMO they write about bastard sons and daughters in there bc we know about the man in the bar who says he is a dragon seed.
Thank you, ladies, for removing the excessive use of the word "like" from your vocabulary. Now we can appreciate your intelligence and beautiful discourse.
Not "Hadron's" wall. It's called Hadrian's wall, commissioned by Emperor Hadrian. "hay-dree-un". Also, folk is pronounced like yolk. Not being a dk, just mentioning it. Medieval and Roman English language isnt going to be common about the USA!
"Hadron" is a particle. Hadrian was an emperor. The wall and some of its forts are well worth a visit.
Yes. It’s pronounced “HAY-dree-un” and don’t even ask about the tree. It’s worse than a dying dragon
I love your videos so much. Absolutely love sponging up the lore from you three.
Great point!
Ignore the pedants. Call it Hadron's Wall or Hadrian's collider. You do you.
@@the_morf My dude, it's not one of those things you can have opinions on. The man that built it was called Hadrian. It's his wall.
The Hadrian Collider will take over the world!
I saw that the flies eating the dragon head as another metaphor for the importance of the 'little' people in this show. An individual bug can be seen as powerless, but when they work together they can destroy what is seen as godlike.
In order to avoid potential spoilers, I'm just going to ask a question, and a simple yes or no will suffice... Have you read Fire and Blood?
A stretch but appreciate the effort
I like this interpretation.
@@jedirayden nope, just watch the show
noticed the same thing
Im sorry, Ryan, but Hadron is a super collider. Hadrian was a Roman Emperor who built a wall through the middle of Britain to keep the Celts out of the empire...
Everyone knows it was the Romans who built Hadron's Wall to defend their Large Hadrian Collider
Maybe Hadrian fell into the Hadron collider and now threatens to both destroy the world and take it over in the name of his empire?
I'm glad someone else was pedantic on my behalf
I've heard him say it on a few different videos when he talks about the wall - it hilariously drives me nuts....
Dude, really? You know what he meant.
The entire "Daemon at Harrenhall" subplot is something they are spending way too much run time on. It was stale and boring last episode and now it's just getting annoying.
It is going on a bit!
Agreed.
Agreed. If one doesn't know about Weirwood then this sideplot would be absolute dogshit to understand and sit through.
Agreed, and your comment could have been a little shorter too.
@@user-otzlixr How F'ed is your attention span that two sentences is not considered short?
The children of the forest hate the night king, it doesn't make sense for them to get rid of the targarians since they have fire breathing dragons.
Some Children of the Forest protected the Three Eyed Raven, we didn't see them really saying they hate the Night King. They created him 🤷♀
@@MARYWTHER They still want him gone because the night king wants to kill them
Took the words right out of my mouth, that theory made zero sense. So much for a GoT scholar lol
Yeahhhhhh, I'm not sure these two experts he has on every week really understands the source material or even the changes the show made. When they talk, it's like they're watching an entirely different show
Dragons do nothing to the night king. Targeryons only exist to provide him with a dragon to destroy the ice wall. The only thing he can't do himself. I hate everything about Aegons prophecy thanks to GoT s8. None of it matters.
I'm surprised nobody's talking about the potential return of Laenor Velaryon. Especially since he was a rider, you'd think Rhaenyra would have tried to keep in contact with her ex husband.
He’s dead
How? He was cast away@@matthewstefanidis9207
@@matthewstefanidis9207 In the book, yes. In the show he's still alive, it was a pretty big change last season.
Wasn't he in the trailer before the show started?
@@matthewstefanidis9207exactly
I hope all of us small fulks to safe and kind this year 💙💙🌞
Alys is an aporitiion. When Daemon looked at her. Simon looked in the same direction to see what Daemon was looking at
And actually when she leaves daemon and simon in the corridor, she goes behind simon’s back and disappears, even though the exit is to the right of simon
This she's a bit of an outsider. Being a bastard child and a witch will make others want to stay away from you. Book alys is 100% real and a thing but the shows is playing up the supernatural element.
@@radionroman I noticed that !
I’m starting to think that the writers of the show are deviating from the book with Alys . She feels much more like an apparition
Could be just a editing mistake. I mean you will be surprised of how many "Goofs" that can appear in a media without you seeing it. I mean i lost count of how many times that a piece of clothing or an actor wasn't in a same part compared to the previous scene.
Alicent giving serious Serena Joy vibes from Haindmaids Tale season 5, realizing the system she built is meant only to control and use her. And the system she overthrew is what gave her the power to do it.
Rhaenyra is the mirror image of Alicent.
The children of the forest made the night king sure, but then the Whites became their enemies. The children would absolutely be wanting the Prince who was Promised. If she’s a child of the forest, she’d be HELPING Deamon.
Yes! Thank you! They wouldn't be trying to stop him from being born!
Something weird is definitely up with Alys. The scene from this episode at around 45:00 where she was speaking to Daemon then the current Lord of Harrenhall comes in on their conversation, he looks at her very strangely then as she goes behind his back she completely disappears from frame as if shes some kind of ghost.
Noticed that too! I even doubled back to make sure and it does not look like she exits…
I've heard SO many people say this. She doesn't magically disappear. It's the angle that she is walking back at, she is then blocked(in the shot) by the focal point- Strong. She is behind him, blocked in the shot because of the angle she is walking "out" of the scene at.
@@ianthorpe1925well every shot is planned, and based on execution you’d want to see her leave. Unless they explicitly planned to make her exit eerie. So either way they did it on purpose. Just to not lead to confusion you would have a framed shot like that with her exiting not be in frame unless you deliberately wanted to mask it.
I’m wondering if Daemon is the only one that can see her.. If you notice, the others do not acknowledge her. The goat, or the dogs..
I'm guessing that Daemon is the only one that can see her. Because when Daemon was just staring at her after their conversation ends and the Lord of Harrenhall walks in with the news he looks at Daemon and there is this look on his face like "who is Daemon staring at" as he also tries to look in the direction Daemon is looking and he sees nothing. Also the way Alys walks ever so slowly and then the Lord covers her and properly masks her is brilliant..
Could it be that the Night King somehow sensed that Jon and Dany were becoming close to finally coming together as Ice and Fire, and that is what motivates their first activity in thousands of years? (approaching the wall, exposing their existence frequently). Alice Rivers forsees that Azor Ahai will be born soon and the only way to prevent it is to destroy Targaryen power from the inside by turning Daemon. That’s how Ryan’s theory could work!
I do enjoy the theory that the Cannibal was born to be ridden by Corlys. So if he never claimed him then he will remain wild forever!
Sounds kinda cool, I admit that, Except the fact that Corlys is a Velaryon and they where no dragon riders.
@@koczy666Technically a Velaryon does ride a Dragon
@@koczy666yes they do!
@@BatFlash52Yup. Laenor Velaryon and Seasmoke.
@@arcturionblade1077he's half targarian!
I’m down with seeing more of the small folk as long as it makes sense and actually adds something to the story
It would of been cool writing, if the people who are starving, attacked the severed dragon head and started to cut out the meat. When the dude said "It's just meat"
I thought they were at least going to ask if they could eat it.. either literally.. or saying it snarky.. as in oh nice you killed a dragon but can we eat it ..we're starving.. no well then be off with you
Some things are off limits due to taboo, like cannibalism. The small folks at King's Landing are still largely loyal to Rhaenyra and Team Black, due to the poor treatment at the hands of Aegon and Team Green.
Seems like a pretty elementary troupe that’s below the level of writing in this show imo
... Even starving, I wouldn't eat ROTTEN meat...
I was actually halfway expecting that to happen. Talk about a sureFIRE (ha) way to bring the dragons down a peg or two in the eyes of the small folk. Them being starving and resorting to eating the dragon meat would have tied a number of different plot points together quite nicely.
Also, the greens major reason for having the houses committed to them that they have, are because they would not support a female queen. Putting Allison on the throne, even temporarily might make them lose their support that they have. And Amond is the next in line.
When Alicent suggested herself as Regent I instantly thought ‘What show has she been on? Does she not know everyone in that room is sexist? Does she not know about the entire conflict where she’s on the side where males inherit power before females?’
Alicent is no Cersei, and even Cersei wasn't nearly as smart as she thought she was.
Yeah Alicent just keeps failing and choosing the wrong allies. Cristin, Larys, her sons, her dad, the whole council.
Viserys and Rhyneara were probably her only trusting allies in the history of the show and she basically spat in both their faces because she was so desperate for some more semblance of power herself, through Viserys and her sons. She could have been an amazing advisor for Rhyneara but nope, she was upset she had sex... so then Alicent becomes way worse than what she hated Rhyneara for
The writing was kinda off there
It’s important that we remember that the show is not the “true telling” of the book. Just because something happens differently in the show doesn’t mean that the “true event. Two separate stories. The book is the book. The show is the show
5:00 could Alys be the "three eyed raven" of the time period? Blood Raven isn't born for another 45 years.
you gotta be klidding me - stop watching HOTD right now
You clearly don't understand the story or the books.
You do know that, Blood Raven wasn't even born around the time of The Dance. Not even for at least 100 years.
Hadrian, not Hadron mate.
Hay - dree - on
@@thomasskywalker8893 nah fam, hay-dri-an.
I think they are using Alys to explore a lot of theories and lore surrounding Bran Stark in GoT that were left out of the show. She’s connected to the were trees, she’s hinted at warging and can manipulate dreams/memories, and is possibly encouraging Daemon to go mad (there’s a theory that Bran tried to manipulate King Aerys’ mind which turned him into the Mad King) so I think maybe using some unused info that was explored in book Bran’s POV to help explain some of the plot holes of TV Bran’s story. So she might be connected to the three eyed raven/children of the forest/old gods and might give a better insight and fill in some of the gaps.
A bit like they’ve used the show to explain more about the song of ice and fire and its connection to the Targaryens and Starks.
She might even be aiding future Bran in some way or at least working for the three eyed raven. For example she might find out about the prophecy of the song of ice and fire and pass it on as it will be lost with Rhaenyra and Jace. Or might even become a red priestess who influences Melisandre.
Bran wasn’t alive when the mad king was?? You mean the 3 eyed raven?
Bran wasn’t alive when the mad king was?? You mean the 3 eyed raven?
@@Phbalancedshorty the theory is that Bran turned Aerys mad in a similar way that he did with Hodor. As the three eyed raven he can go back and see the past and manipulate it.
I think that Daemon has been asleep since he arrived. I also find it funny that no one else interacts with Alys. Maybe he is the only one who sees her, or he is (as I mentioned before) asleep this whole time.
You are wrong there was someone that spotted her in the show
I like Daryn's theory. I also think Alys is kin to Brynden Rivers.
Except from being bastards from the same general region, what is there to link them?
The children of the forest believed the deads souls went into these trees, I'm thinking Alys Rivers is a ghost of one of the children of the forest and is now stuck in Harrenhall as a result of the trees getting cut down to build it....has anybody other than Daemon even aknowledged Alys? I'm thinking he might be the only one seeing her.
Can you check this one out. When Aegon was riding the dragon, it was his right side that was facing Aemond and Vhagar. Thus, it was that side that was burned. But when he was lying in bed, it was his left side that was burned.
Hadrian's Wall, not Hadron
and if it was Scotland then hadrian's wall would be in the neck near the twins
I died inside when he said that
So many mistakes. It seems like they rushed this.
Hadrians wall = the wall
Scotland = beyond the wall
Scottish people = wildlings
Newcastle = Castle black
York = Winterfell
@@thomasskywalker8893 Except the Wildlings weren't Scottish.
Doug deserves an Employee of the Month award ❤
Totally off topic. But I've this questions.. Before aegon's conquest, the family lived in dragonstone for more than 100 years. Daenys and her family left valyria with balerion and 4 other dragons probably (and some eggs too I guess). They layed eggs and vhagar and meraxes were born. But that's it?
5 dragons reduced to 3 even after 2 new dragons were born? In 100+ years?
And in the next 100 years, even though vhagar laid egg like once and meraxes died after laying quite a few eggs (vermithor, silverwing and dreamfyre), they had more than enough dragons and eggs that so many of them were like riderless?
The numbers are quite different.
1st 100yrs dragons reduced to 3 from 5.
And next 100yrs their numbers increased from 3 to 15+.
Isn't that weird? Especially since the OG members who left valyria must have possessed far better knowledge about blood magic and all
You should look into the Genetics of Dragon Hatching & the Blood of the Dragon theories. You might find the answers you seek
I didn’t know that viserys rode the black dread damn that’s amazing
She’s a witch and is in cahoots with
____ Targaryen the hint was shown at a specific council meeting in episode 4 I’m not spoiling
It was clearly shown in Game Of Thrones (and in the books) that The children of the forest hate the night king, they even form a pact with the First men (on the ise of faces) . And later fought with the first men giant The Others in the Longest Night. The Chirldern also help built the Wall and even help the Night Watch by gifting them with Dragonglass (which btw is made by dragon fire and was known in Old Valyrian as Forzen fire)
Daemon is against free school lunch, Medicare and SS as well. That's next episode
24:36 GRRM himself recently answered this in no uncertain terms: Dragons arent "nomadic". Dragonstone was the only place Targs settled when they moved themselves out of Valyria & it's a natural habitat for the dragons, it being an active volcano -- dragons love/need hot habitats -- so the Targ Dragons equate Dragonstone with "home" & don't roam too far from the isle.
GRRM said the Dragons can be housed artificially, like at the KL dragonpit, but that's also bc that's where their Dragonriders are (nearby in the Red Keep).
They'll also fly farther away, but only bc their riders went there (Riverlands, Vale, Dorne, the North [except beyond the Wall], etc), but they wouldn't go there alone. Theyd always choose to return to Dragonstone or the Dragonpit.
Balerion, being the ONLY Dragon originally from Valyria is the onky dragon of the Targs that decided to "fly home" to Valyria...but that didnt go so well & is a different story.
I love you ryan arey. But i love doug more. Sorry man.
Doug is life, Doug is love
Plot twist, It's just Ryan tryin to be funny and cool by having a convo with himself
Seriously. I was kind of paying attention listening but when I heard the outro music I yelled “DOUG!” and ran over to my phone. I love that man ❤
Hadron sounds like the final boss of a 90's videogame.
Hadrian? The Roman emperor?
It’s pronounced ‘hay- dree- on” it was built by the Roman emperor Hadrian… it’s also called the Roman wall sometimes!
I'm more of an Antonine wall man myself
Can't wait to see more of dragon seed in action next week.
Let me help yall make shirt designs ha gotta support dougs dry cleaning bills
Daemon took the egg from dreamfyre in the dragon pit at Kingslanding. He didn't find it at dragonstone. It was supposed to be Rhanerya's brothers egg which is why he took it.
surprising that they go so deep into daemon and alys vs aemond and alys
I heard somewhere that this witch is one of the ancestors of the 3 eye raven we see in the Original GOT series. She is also wanting to stop the Night King, so she is helping them to get back on the Throne, she knows about the prophecy and knows about the battles of the future with the White Walkers and how important her family tree is. The 3 eye raven has to pass his knowledge onto Bran!!!
No she isn't if you know the basics of research, you' ll found put that his is wrong.
This episode had great moment and i appreciate the family dynamics after the dust has settled from their first dragon on dragon battle
I just wish we hadn't lost so much time on daemon's witchy exposure therapy sessions.
What... the children made the night king to stop the first men but it backfired, and they created something worse. They need the prince that was promised to fight the white walkers as much as anyone. Plus, I don't know that they would all know about that prophecy.
She's just a spooky Harrenhal witch messing with Daemon because he's killing and stealing her people.
One thing that stood out to me was the placement of the dragon head and Aegon. The spectacle of the dragon head was more important than the dying body of the king.
I think it make sense for alys river to be a ghost or some weirdwood eldritch being haunting the keep idk what it would mean for her storyline next season.
To me, the episodes are making it more and more clear that Alys only appears to Daemon. And when I say "Alys", I mean maybe "Alys" as Gayle Rankin. To me, it's especially implied by the music, you know, those voices humming when Alys is around, it seems like "Alys" is a manifestation of "other voices", it could be Daemon's inner-voices, like his turmoil and his emotions, but it could also be the Gods, speaking to Daemon through Alys. Or maybe, the Children of the Forest, speaking to Daemon through the manifestation of Alys. A beautiful, intense young woman that captures the mind and the eyes, but also physically opposes the Targaryen's ideals of beauty, just by the fact that her skin is so fair and yet her hair is so black.
But what raises an eyebrow to me, is that this episode, we have Daemon tell to "Alys": "never meet Aemond, he's a war-criminal, he's a maniac, he's horrible" etc etc, and oops we get a scene of Aemond, profoundly reminiscent of Daemon's visions (him facing the Iron Throne and all), the same music of humming voices, and Helaena appaearing to Aemond. WHAT IF, Helaena in this moment is "Alys" too. But "Alys" taking a different form than "Gayle Rankin" to Aemond, because... well she can't appear as a complete stranger to Aemond. If "Alys"'s apparitions are connected to the Weirwood trees, what could stop "Alys" from appearing in King's Landing? There is a Weirwood tree in the Red Keep itself! Especially if "Alys" is connected to either the Gods or the Children of the Forest, both of whom are intimately tied to the Weirwood Trees. Idk, to me, there are a lot of clues in the subtext, implying that 1) ofc "Alys" isn't really tangible as a woman meeting Daemon would be 2) mayyyyyyybe she MET Aemond this very episode?? 👀 The music during the Helaena/Aemond scene really stuck with me, because it wasn't a "Targaryen/Hightower/Green" music, it was an Alys music! Idk, maybe she hides truly only from Daemon, and will truly "meet" Aemond, who knows really, buuuut there's more than her being a witch that's for sure
Wow and they say New Rockstars theories are off the rails. You clearly know nothing about the material by this horrible connection. There is so much that you got wrong that I can write a whole essay on it xD
5:40 “hadrons wall” 😂
I love the dichotomy between Heavy Spoilers and this. Former is full of jokes, and this foo (and team), are full of conspiracies that have weight to 'em.
Heavy spoilers doesn’t make mistakes with their knowledge of background and lore. These videos are chalked full of the (for example, if Alys was a CotF, she’d be helping Deamon, not hindering him… they created the Whites but after that they regretted it so they’d absolutely want the Prince who was Promised… and that’s just one from this episode).
There are more dragons at dragonstone because there is a dormant volcano there. The larger, rideable ones, that aren’t with the greens, are on dragonstone. The ones with the greens have to be kept in the dragon pit as they were, at one time, eating livestock in the crownlands.
I just want to give a shoutout to Ros, my favorite small folk representative from GOT.
Ros is a show only character. The books have even less representation of common people.
She is incorrect that the prince that was promised is a Targaryen prophecy… it’s much older than even Valeria
If you're referring to the Azor Ahai prophecy they're not the same. Melisandre conflated the two together, but no other character has done this.
Prince that was Promised COULD also be Azor Ahai, but there's no proof they're the same.
How is Rhaenyra caring and concerned about the small folk? She is the one starving them with the blockade. Please make it make sense. There are no good guys in this story. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wasted opportunity by the writers of the show not in the books? Showing a scene at the end of an episode where we see the carcass of a decapitated Meleys rotting where she fell. Suddenly a shadow engulfs the carcass and we see it’s the Cannibal! He swoops in to feast. We get our first look which ends with him looking right at the camera and firing a blast of fire as a warning to anyone or anything wanting to come near him
Love this! I’d only add one more detail. Meleys’ carcass is being carved up by bands of local peasants, the desperate “little folk” who suffer most in this war. We see fathers and mothers of young children slicing off strips of dragon flesh to feed their starving families, each of them overcoming the terrifying awe of this once God-like creature through nothing more than the primal drive to eat and to survive.
Yet despite enough meat on the giant beast to feed half of Westeros, the peasants squabble and threaten one another, some even coming to blows that grow near deadly…
Queue Cannibal’s shadow…
I thinks she’s a ghost/spirit no one else ever acknowledges her… also Sir Simon doesn’t see her and she disappears behind him whe he approaches Daemond
Excellent discussion! I loved it! ❤
What is the purpose of the Three Eye Raven? I get that the person becomes a seer, someone who can see past, present, future; and if they can influence events in time, they are obviously very powerful and dangerous; but what is the purpose? Because before Bran, the ThreeEyeRaven was just stuck in that tree, doing what exactly? What are they protecting, what is their purpose?
Does anyone else see Ramsey Bolton when you look at Alice Rivers? I don't know if it's because she goes minutes without blinking or that their eyes sparkle when the facial expression is menacing or dead like. Is Daemon only able to see Alice since he's sleeping in that tree bed??? It's a total mystery within Daemon and Alice interactions. Harrenhal altogether needs a spin off.
Smartest Team Green political move would’ve been to send the baker apprentices in King’s Landing out to the fields of Rook’s Rest to carve up Meleys and serve the kingdom Hot Dragon Pies.
“A good dragon pie is all about the ingredients. Flour, lard, water, eggs, milk, diethyl ether-easy enough. But the meat? Peacetime or not, getting your hands on a good bottom dragon round steak and dragon’s kidneys is not easy. I mean, some people settle for plain old sheep kidneys. Got no right to cook anything, them. Oh, and the gravy! Don't get me started on the gravy. Very difficult to get right. See, a lot of people give up on the gravy. You cannot give up on the gravy. No gravy, no dragon pie. Simple as that."
Love the videos. Just a thing it is Hadrian's Wall as in "Hay... [A]drian" not Had...Ron.
🖖🏾
Gotta stop interrupting their thoughts and let them talk
Oh stop. He did. Everyone was able to share.
She looks like that Lannister squire serving Robert Baratheon.
😂
I like how you say "healthcare" like leeches and opium juice is "health" related.
The series reminds me a bit of Andor in the fact that we are seeing how the war between "pseudo-gods" has an effect on the common person just trying to go about their lives.
Here’s a way out there thought. Did they ever say anything about Rhaenys Body? I mean they have the dragons head. Where is her body? I mean, Aegon survive a fall to solid earth. Is it possible she survived to fall? I mean, she was overwater I think.? would be a hell of a twist if she was able to come back and claim a bigger dragon ? The dragon rider I know in the books is different, but they’re not sticking strictly to the books saying. I know it sounds insane, but the fact that they never showed her actual body left it open
Queen Alysanne fiercely advocated for the crown to go Rhaenys or at least through Rhaenys as she was pregnant when Aemon (the oldest male child of King Jaeherys) died, so fierce that she uttered, "A good ruler needs a good heart, a cock is not essential. If Your Grace truly believes that women lack the wit ro rule, plainly you have no further need of me." She flew to Dragonstone on the back of her dragon, Silverwing and they remained apart for 2 years. This is known as the Second Quarrel. Even through all this, King Jaeherys never relented. It got complicated though when Baelon the Brave also passed away and there the Council was called as depicted in the first episode of Season 1 of HOTD
7:09 GoT “scholar”: “the children of the forest tied him to a tree… and stuck that thing is his chest” 🤦♂️
If she’s a chaos agent why would care about the small folks as long as she can save herself. The way she said it made it sound like there’s a deeper origin story buried underneath.
Did your guest really have the nerve to refer to dragon glass as “a thing”😂
I’m not really liking their commentary.
@@Darth_Mom_2 same if your going to talk on a show as deep and complex like house of drags, you gotta have legit knowledgeable guests. It takes away from how serious we take the content. Granted I love this channel and watch all the videos on my shows
when Hammer said 'It's just meat', I thought 'Vhagar could feed all those hungry people'. I'd love to see the storming of the dragon pit and small folk takedown of a dragon. Fleebottom needs a barbecue joint.
The way he says Hadrian's Wall hurt me 😂 10 points of psychic damage
Damon is his favorite character, alongside Tyrion...so taking us inside his head traumas and motivations is extremely important in the long haul. He is being pushed to either kneel because his old ways don't work or have to face what he has always feared: being seen as an unimportant part of Targaryen history.
Every vision he has of women is very relevant: He cannot connect with Rhaenyra because he cannot access his female, nurturing, diplomatic side, the one that analyses, waits, and listens before acting. When Laena says, " Have you been taking care of our girls?" This is his soul questioning him about all the feelings, emotions, and traumas he repressed.
Until he can´t embrace his fragilities, he will never be able to reach his full strength....he is only half alive, with half-right-brain commands, with grief, anger, and fear of being unloved driving him at the core. He does not understand why the Brackens don't yield because he knows no loyalty, no group support...the only things he ever conquered on his name were by sheer force. And it amazes him that it does not work anymore, particularly in times of war. Sorry, I am done hahahah
With the incoming dragon seeds you can definitely make a 'how I met your dragon' reference /joke
I just subscribed to the show , I love how everything is explained.
I am convinced Alys is a stark and half wolf because I saw her as Sheila the She-Wolf in GLOW.
Her last name is River, not Snow. And the only stark female bastard at the time and that would be Sara Snow. Just because she might be a green-seer doesn't make her a Stark. Anyone from the line of First Men can be Green seers, not just a Stark
@@Sarah.E.B it’s supposed to be a joke. I don’t think she’s a stark or from the north. It’s a reference to a character the actress played on another show. She was Sheila the She Wolf on the show GLOW.
@eyan1012 Actually, that is where you are wrong. She was a bastard daughter of Lyonel Strong, whose House was decent of The First Men. It's very similar to House Blackwood and House Bracken. There is a reason her power is mostly tied to the Werewoods in the show. Also, I am very sorry I am not that familiar with her past flims.
@@Sarah.E.B I’m not disagreeing with you, I know about Alys in the book. I’m just making a joke about the actress Gayle Rankin who played Sheila the She-Wolf on GLOW. Have you seen GLOW?
Shoutout screen crush for having two women guest commentators 💕💕
Too bad they know jack-shit about that series. XD might need to get actual people next time that actual knows the material because it clearly not these women xD
Its weird people are saying daemon is being enchanted/controlled. Arent only the vision he gets while touching weirwood getting manipulated? Every time hes in a vision hes touching a piece of wood? Harrenhall is "cursed" or "haunted" because of said wood imo. Really dont think people can be controlled unless youre a king and its a metaporh or your the night king and have wights 😂
I didn't think there was anything wrong with the next in line being the next in line. Anyone trying to pull the sexism card out when recently both their leaders were women is a bit daft. Them (including Rhaenyra) pointing out the differences in how their culture raises women and men doesn't mean what they said was sexist (even if they are) when in the majority of cases what they were saying was true.
Rhaenys killed a lot of small folk at the coronation, why do people who love her overlook that?
has alice interacted with anyone other than daemon? simon gave a curious glance in the direction that daemon's gaze was in episode 5, almost as if he doesn't see what he's looking at, and then alice just kind of disappears behind simon. is she just in daemon's head?
I can’t watch without bumping the pop up adds on the screen
Not trying to sound in a disrespectful tone
I don’t own any of the videos of this channel and I didn’t do any collaboration with this channel
Someone suggested that Alys Rivers is not real. She's a Ghost of Hannenhall. Thata why so only speaks to Daemon
Its been a while since I read the book. Dont remember everything that happens. But, from what I remember theres a few events happening soon I cannot wait for.
Man I’ve been watching this channel for like a month now , and I kept saying “I know this dudes face” ; and today I realized …. Man that’s video Ryan from Frenchwoods !!!! I hope all is well man ❤❤❤
I think the people care more about the dragons than people. If tomorrow I tell you a small folk, a Blackwood, or Bracken gets killed or a member of the Green or Black gets torched by dragon fire, nobody panics because it’s all part of the plan. But when I say one little old dragon will die, well, then everyone loses their mind!
"Hadron's Wall"? It's Hadrian's Wall. Pronounced Hay-dre-an.
Rhaena is totally going to claim sheep stealer she's in the Vale and what is the vale known for sheep lol.
After this episode, it seems more likely that Alys is just an apparition.
Until we see her interacting other than Daemon.
I'm throughly enjoying this show and story.
I also need to know how Adam of Hull, being Corlys’ bastard and not Leanor’s, can bond with a dragon? Where is his Targaryen blood line?
Stuck that thing in his chest? That's very scholarly.😂
Maybe Alicent saw an opportunity to gain regency, in order to have power to atone for green lighting the war on a misunderstanding, but of course, she was sidelined. I did enjoy her internal panic attack, she deserves to feel regret for the many years she invested feeding the division and hatred that fuels this war.
I definitely don’t think that she is trying to take down the targaryens, but if she was a child of the Forrest she would be trying to help Rhanerya and Daemon (don’t crucify me for spelling) Danerys is descendant of those two so it would stand to reason that she would want to ensure their line is the one that survives because of the prophecy because the children of the Forrest aren’t in league with the night king, they created him but they are not allies
There is zero evidence of her being a Child of Forest, first all she isn't Child size (r show any evidence of non-human features). And even if she was being warg by a cotF, they 1. Never even had that power to begin with, 2. Warging in another body will messed up your mind ( made this very clear not just in the books but also in the TV show). 3. There is zero evidence of her being warged by a COTF since humans under warning have only the white of their eyes)
not a single person in the show or ever has pronounced viserys vis-eer-is, but here we are lol
So Daren is referencing a GRRM idea: finding an enemy to my enemy. George wrote another story where a Children of the Forest type race fights alien invaders by using their other enemies to take them down.
But you are forgetting that this, and the Night King are show only.
Jaehaerys would’ve never named Rhaenys his Heir even if Alyssane was alive, multiple times in the books he shut down her good ideas for diplomatic reasons. Unfortunately, it was always going to be a male that succeeded him.
Fail to see how that is "Unfortunate"
@@TherealBH out of the heirs he have to choose from Rhaenys is the most worthy and competent, I think it’s unfortunate that the most fit person to rule a kingdom isn’t picked regardless of sex
@@trevance2159 So.............. Beta male logic........... got it
@@TherealBH no, it's that not picking rhaenys led to this dance of the dragons, and ultimately the downfall and end of their house
@@TherealBH lmao bro got weird for no reason, what !!??? 😂
Having the drop their social media info from the get go would be more efficient
23:54 I really thought they were trying to find dragon seeds. It seemed very implied when they were looking at their history scrolls…IMO they write about bastard sons and daughters in there bc we know about the man in the bar who says he is a dragon seed.
“Hay-dre-ons wall” not Hadron 😂
Thank you, ladies, for removing the excessive use of the word "like" from your vocabulary. Now we can appreciate your intelligence and beautiful discourse.
Too bad they proven to know nothing about the material xD
Not "Hadron's" wall. It's called Hadrian's wall, commissioned by Emperor Hadrian. "hay-dree-un".
Also, folk is pronounced like yolk.
Not being a dk, just mentioning it. Medieval and Roman English language isnt going to be common about the USA!