Reality Show Where Couples Live Like 1800s Pioneers - Pioneer Quest 101 - The Dream

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  • Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
  • Pioneer Quest follows two couples as they assume the lives of early settlers to the West and spend one year living as 1870s pioneers on the Canadian prairie. Using only the resources and tools of the period, they will attempt build homes, raise livestock, hunt and grow crops. No running water. No electricity. No modern conveniences. They must work together to feed themselves, build shelter and endure the extreme heat and cold, share the joy of success and the stress of failure, to persevere and prosper. Through the incredible first person experience, Pioneer Quest shows how a large part of Canada was settled and the foundation for this great country was built.
    This episode introduces viewers to hundreds of candidates who volunteered to spend an entire year living as 1870s settlers, and profiles both the intense selection process used to select the two couples and their move onto the Manitoba prairie.

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  • @kmah88
    @kmah88 4 роки тому +69

    I can't believe it's been 20 years already! I watched this on TV when it aired. I always wanted to see it again. It just occurred to me to see if it was available on UA-cam. Thanks so much for uploading it.

    • @trh4982
      @trh4982 4 роки тому +1

      My thoughts exactly.

    • @psleep4255
      @psleep4255 4 роки тому +2

      I know. I was thinking the same thing. I wish they would do some more series like these. Theresa lot of historical eras left! 😊

    • @psleep4255
      @psleep4255 4 роки тому +1

      brianna s. Ty. I will check them out. I love British TV. I’ve also watched the entire Time Team series at least twice!🤣😂

    • @dlabarge9453
      @dlabarge9453 4 роки тому +1

      The whole series is on Amazon Prime as well as Quest for the Bay!

    • @chaunybuck6065
      @chaunybuck6065 3 роки тому +1

      @@psleep4255 there is alot from PBS!!!

  • @argylemuseumsettlersrailst5615
    @argylemuseumsettlersrailst5615 4 роки тому +27

    This TV show was filmed right here in our home town, Argyle, Manitoba. We are so proud of the opportunity that the series provided for our community, and the history that it revealed for all Canadians. Settlers, Rails & Trails (museum), Argyle, MB

  • @amberbaker4842
    @amberbaker4842 3 роки тому +18

    Had a couple teams of horses who needed a soft landing after working the fields. Loved their jobs, and when old Marlon foundered and walked with a limp we tried to retire him. He screamed and screamed from the pasture. One time he was screaming and callig to us as we went our for a drive... then everything went dead silent. Imagine a 2000 lb draft horse draging his fence at a full run. 😳 at that point decided just to harness him and tie him to the team so he thought he was working as he walked next to us. He was so proud afterwards every time he walked out with the team, limping and all. Put a sparkle in his old man eyes. He got too bad last fall and was put down, but he was a good boy to the end.

    • @tweetlebugzz
      @tweetlebugzz 2 роки тому

      @Amber Baker What a cool story!

    • @yolannayerex4142
      @yolannayerex4142 Рік тому

      That's such a sweet story. You're so kind to help the old fellow out by keeping him proud. XOXO

  • @carpii
    @carpii 4 роки тому +34

    The charges against Tom were later dropped, apparently it was nothing more than a hug which someone decided to report to the Police.
    He passed away just a few years later. Gotta feel bad for the guy, he seemed so happy to be doing this.
    The young couple have such a great attitude. Wonder what they are upto now

    • @k.s.333
      @k.s.333 3 роки тому +8

      looks like they're still married and have kids now

    • @Angie-GoneSoon
      @Angie-GoneSoon 3 роки тому +10

      That's so sad.. someone overreacted to a hug. And then their dream fell apart.. I think since he died a few years later, he was very broken 💔

    • @CreativeCookingTutorials
      @CreativeCookingTutorials 2 роки тому +5

      Tom is still alive. His wife passed away away April of this year

    • @cindywillis8923
      @cindywillis8923 2 роки тому +3

      I just decided I was going to watch this again and of course quickly I remembered Tom & Pat leaving. How terribly unfair that a false accusation can do so harm. I have to wonder about about the person who did this to such a nice couple. that destroyed their dream which angers me. Then to read here Tom passed away not so long after is truly heartbreaking for me, who didn't even know him. I think of Pat and all I can do is feel sorry and say a pray for her. This type of thing has now become a daily thing of people reaching out and destroying another. Once the accusation comes out the damage is done. I'm so sorry for everyone but more for Tom & Pat. I then remember the couple who replaced them and how different they were. That's when I stopped watching the series. The show producers should have stood by Tom and allowed the show to continue. That's how I felt then and I feel the same today. This will have to go down for me as a bad memory as i'm tuning out again. Last time I watched the new couple for one or two shows and then out but now I remember so I'll find another show. Take care everyone. hopefully, there will be another show. 🙏❤

    • @cantbanme792
      @cantbanme792 2 роки тому +1

      a hug that happened multiple times

  • @honeybeastie1
    @honeybeastie1 3 роки тому +16

    Our PBS tv station in America did this with Colonial House and Frontier House.

    • @Tassie85
      @Tassie85 3 роки тому +2

      Don't forget Texas Ranch House -- memorable for many reasons.

    • @honeybeastie1
      @honeybeastie1 3 роки тому +5

      @@Tassie85 DID NOT like the family in Texas.....they treated the ranch hands terribly. The wife controlled the wimpy husband. The other girl that took sides with the family was just as disgusting.

    • @Tassie85
      @Tassie85 3 роки тому +3

      @@honeybeastie1 Weren't they just awful? A trainwreck. The way the Cooks treated the cowboys infuriated me. A real mess!

  • @owellafehr5191
    @owellafehr5191 4 роки тому +8

    I have the vaguest memories of watching this as a kid in the early 2000s. Let's see how it holds up.

  • @barefootanimist
    @barefootanimist 3 роки тому +10

    This series, and Frontier House, were amazing inspirations for an aspiring homesteader...

    • @cindywillis8923
      @cindywillis8923 2 роки тому +2

      I enjoyed Frontier House except for some fighting but after Pat & Tom left I disconnected from this series.

  • @fisherman695
    @fisherman695 4 роки тому +8

    they sure picked the correct couples ...even in the pre show meetings the pioneers stood right out ...

  • @readthedwelling
    @readthedwelling Рік тому +3

    The only reality show (plus all the other "Quests") that I obsessed over! Love this show!

  • @dreadlockdude85park73
    @dreadlockdude85park73 3 роки тому +4

    Only hour's away from me. I watched this 20 years ago When I was 15! Then got to meet them 2001 Steinbach heritage museum! Awesome show! Awesome people! They did good!:)

  • @sweetgolden2010
    @sweetgolden2010 3 роки тому +7

    i would love to see this show redone in maybe another province!

    • @Tassie85
      @Tassie85 3 роки тому +1

      How about way up north? Nunavut, for example.

  • @milliebanks7209
    @milliebanks7209 3 роки тому +4

    I pray that this series is as well done and as enjoyable as the farm series that BBC has. I throughly enjoyed all the series.

    • @cindywillis8923
      @cindywillis8923 2 роки тому

      It was nearly as good as any of the others. I don't know who produced this or i should who had the 'hands on work' in the producing ur they did a terrible job in every way possible. They didn't have the supplies given to the people on the Series that were period appropriate. They also made just careless mistakes like giving them all roosters and no hens. Then not giving oil lamps and giving them new axes that had been lacquer on he handles but no sand paper to get the lacquer off. Just a series of mistakes that should've been obvious to any intelligent person who knew anything about the project. It was probably someone sitting behind a desk who sent a secretary to the store with a list but not a clue to what they were doing. It seemed that way to me as a viewer. They dropped the ball & then to say they needed 48 hours to begin to correct some errors???? They could've picked up sand paper & a few hens that same day! Sloppy & lazy. I did check back in later and it was clear the new couple wasn't doing anything like what was described at the beginning before the Series ended. They had gotten involved in their church who jumped to help them. They claimed the religious conflict and got away with bringing in people from present day all the time. A real mess. I don't know why the producers allowed this but it appeared the couple kind of had them by the throat. So, I again, turned the channel as the point of tge series was completely lost.

  • @sherierodriguez7708
    @sherierodriguez7708 Рік тому +2

    I want to live like that. Im a hard worker and just dying to get a homestead. ❤

  • @Iblve09
    @Iblve09 4 роки тому +6

    Thank you for uploading! It was a joy watching.

  • @landomilknhoney
    @landomilknhoney 2 роки тому +3

    I am living my best life as a (modern. Lol) Pioneer settler, now. On dark cold nights, I like to compare my lifestyle to that of others and see what is amiss on either side. Yes, I watch YT.
    My daughters mill grain, and we forage for wild fodder.
    I appreciate you adding this now classic video.
    A dream of finding something simple, ....and good.
    YAH bless these folks for trying.
    Edit: swooning over her calico dress @ 23:19

  • @thomashindle3570
    @thomashindle3570 4 роки тому +19

    Amish people live ĺike this all the time .

  • @Rachel-ui9to
    @Rachel-ui9to 2 роки тому +1

    I watched this in sixth grade and randomly thought of it again, one of the couples actually came to our school it was kinda cool

  • @mtazn5988
    @mtazn5988 4 роки тому +6

    best reality TV ever!

  • @Laura-Lee
    @Laura-Lee 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you, thank you, thank you for this upload. When originally aired on TV I recorded them (on VHS) and watched them until I had them memorized. Without videos anymore I've been waiting more than a decade to see them again. Did I say, "Thank you" yet? Love LL 🙋‍♀️🇨🇦😊

  • @AJones-mb7zg
    @AJones-mb7zg 8 місяців тому +1

    It seems like the highest place would be best, since there is a lot of clay in the soil, and this holds water. I would have chosen the place right next to the large water supply. In the spring this would mean STICKY MUD, but the canal would help drain that off. Water is a MUST for the animals especially. The wooded location for a house would mean critters (coyotes, bears, etc.) live there, and could possibly bother your animals more. As they found out, the clay ground was rock hard and hard to dig a well in. We are in Michigan USA, and even as far south as our capitol city of Lansing, we get coyotes, bear at times, and other critters that bother the livestock. I am curious to see if the women choose to wear skirts, with layers and layers of petticoats, instead of longjohns. The old fashioned "knickers" allowed a woman to wee without having to pull down pants. Much easier than trying to deal with longjohns! I have ancestors that help settle Carlinville, Illinois, and they had wolves that far south! The wolves would try to get into the cabin by crawling under the floor and attempting to claw their way up through the boards in winter. It is very interesting to read my ancestors diaries. The area in Carlinville was very marshy at that time (before they drained the land as it is today) and it was nicknamed "Frog Pond Kingdom".

  • @NavyLady82
    @NavyLady82 3 роки тому +1

    I saw this before Frontier House. Loved it.

    • @cindywillis8923
      @cindywillis8923 2 роки тому +1

      I thought the Frontier House was so much better.

  • @KootenayOrganics
    @KootenayOrganics 3 роки тому +4

    In the first attempt to milk the cow, it was disturbing to see the teats being pulled on through her fingers/hands. :( Later looked a bit better. An animal is milked like one would play a recorder. Hold firmly to press off the flow and then squeeze adding one finger at a time similar to how one would add one finger at a time to cover the holes on the instrument. But of course closing the hand completely, not just the finger tips. This pushes the milk downward and out, just pulling the teat down does not get the milk out properly and can lead to damage.
    They were fortunate to get to sleep til 6:30 am! My rooster crows like 'clockwork' at around 5am. When daylight savings time change came in October, he crowed at 4am for a few days as that used to be his 5am. Once the timer got adjusted for light to come on a the new time, he began to crow at 5 am again. His brain and body adjusted automatically so quickly! Too bad no one told them the stress of the move, being cramped in a small cage etc. would cause the hens not to lay. They need to feel safe and comfortable to lay eggs. Even changes in a flock, or any presence of a predator can put hens of laying.

  • @lizschuller6894
    @lizschuller6894 4 роки тому +10

    Maybe salt the pork? make it last. (also two rosters in one cage?) that is just dumb

    • @brendaf3132
      @brendaf3132 2 роки тому

      If you cook pork real crisp it will last for days. Any pioneer woman of that generation (even a city woman) would have known how to keep the meat from spoiling for a time. In the US south they fried it crisp, packed it in a crock and poured boiling grease to cover it. They then sealed the lid on with hot wax. They kept it that way.

  • @trh4982
    @trh4982 4 роки тому

    Thank you for uploading this. I was going to watch this again 6 years ago and it wasn't available anywhere.

  • @TheKevlarKitten
    @TheKevlarKitten 2 роки тому

    I've been trying to find this to watch for so long! This is awesome!

  • @paulinospunishment3513
    @paulinospunishment3513 3 роки тому +5

    Re: the man who had to leave b/c of the assault charges - I'm confused. They said the couple found out about the charges on the morning of the "clothes fitting and press conference". So why didn't they drop out at that point? And why wasn't the man arrested? Did they think they could just ignore the charges for a whole year? It's weird that they would hold it all in until they got to the site. What a strange story.

    • @efwefwef4747
      @efwefwef4747 3 роки тому +3

      Most charges take up to 2 years to even get to the first court date.

    • @cindywillis8923
      @cindywillis8923 2 роки тому +1

      I don't think they knew what to do nor was there a time to speak with someone. It was the same hour of the Press Meeting which is why they were late. If it had been the day before but it wasn't. Terrible as it was a false accusation & destroyed this experience for them and for some viewers like myself.

    • @TheLows-gk6kc
      @TheLows-gk6kc Місяць тому

      They knew he was innocent so their heads were probably spinning

  • @stevehartman1730
    @stevehartman1730 11 місяців тому

    Im Amish n i like it. Some leave some dont like itmost its all theyve known. I had to leave to care for dad but i can go back.

  • @horseslove45
    @horseslove45 3 роки тому +1

    My cousin and I would love to do this

  • @dot-hubbard-i-luv-my-beretta
    @dot-hubbard-i-luv-my-beretta 2 роки тому

    Oh my.., hey what? hahaha ..Tom did what now?
    These productions, are always nice...✍🏻😷

  • @timechangeseverybody3608
    @timechangeseverybody3608 4 роки тому +3

    I would absolutely love to do something like this,but I'd die lol I don't know how to survive without modern civilization

  • @shadowcat63
    @shadowcat63 3 роки тому +1

    I really want the opening song

  • @tweetlebugzz
    @tweetlebugzz 2 роки тому +1

    In the 1800s they had grocery stores. Did they provide a store for them?

  • @donnabootes7272
    @donnabootes7272 2 роки тому

    I've just found this 😌

  • @VB-lz5cx
    @VB-lz5cx Рік тому

    I love watching these shows but thats about it. I love my hot shower way too much lol.

  • @acerrubrum5749
    @acerrubrum5749 3 роки тому +1

    Crown Drops Assault case against would-be pioneer.
    Thomas Ziolkoski carries his wife, Pat, over the threshold of land that was to be their home on the TV show Pioneer Quest. They were dropped from the show after charges of sexual assault were filed against him. WINNIPEG - A man who was forced to walk away from a Canadian "reality" television program amid accusations of
    "I guess about all I can say is I'm relieved. This takes a lot of weight off my shoulders,"

  • @palinozog658
    @palinozog658 3 роки тому +3

    Tom did it BTW.

    • @jfryza
      @jfryza 2 роки тому

      No, he didn't jerk. False accusations.

  • @donnaharris4420
    @donnaharris4420 4 роки тому +6

    I doubt if the pioneers would have complained about sand paper..make do with what you've got....it wasn't easy that is obvious

    • @stephenpiper2052
      @stephenpiper2052 4 роки тому +10

      Thing is, no one ever would have used lacquer on their tool handles back in those days, even if it existed. It is added to modern tool handles to make look more desirable to the public, and it is a very cheap way to seal the wood from moisture. The problem with it is, it forms a smooth, plastic layer that grabs your skin and doesn't allow for the tool to slide in your hands as they're supposed to during use. In pioneer days, wooden tools would have been oiled occasionally, and kept out of the weather in order to protect them. They wouldn't be coated in plastic just to keep them looking "pretty" for longer. Go out and swing an ax with a lacquered handle with bare hands for about an hour and you'll understand the the validity of this complaint. Then ponder using all of the wooden handled tools that they must, all day, every day, for a year. It's a bigger issue than you think, if your number one tools(your hands) are decommissioned due to deep blisters penetrating even your deepest calluses. It could quickly become an infection issue under the circumstances.

  • @1darrencr
    @1darrencr 5 місяців тому

    apologies anyone who disagrees.......but you can't put yourself into this with a legal case against you

  • @ritcheymt
    @ritcheymt 4 роки тому +6

    I immediately lost respect for the producer when the narrator revealed what Tom was charged with. What a WILDLY irresponsible, even savage thing to report. When such charges are leveled at a person, it doesn't even matter if he is innocent. The public will treat him as if he is guilty. The producer and director had no business revealing what the charge was about. The Crown dropped the charge. Tom died a few years later with a broken legacy because these dirtbags chose to air out an accusation before it even went to trial. May they reap what they sow so that they can learn through personal suffering to never do that kind of dirty move again.

    • @SarahLinklater86
      @SarahLinklater86 2 роки тому +3

      You might want to check your information before posting…he didn’t die…his wife died in April 2021. He’s still alive…the person everyone else posted about was from Chicago and didn’t even have the correct last name.

    • @jfryza
      @jfryza 2 роки тому +3

      @@SarahLinklater86 Amazing, how many people post that incorrect information because of similar names.

    • @lruss5050
      @lruss5050 Рік тому

      I loved the first two families! It was very mean spirited that Tom was forced to leave! Didn’t care for the replacements! They were very full of themselves!😢

  • @theredmans1
    @theredmans1 Рік тому

    Ten minutes in, and I am done…that couple who “just need to GET RID OF THEIR DOGS”?!!!!!?! 😡

  • @cindywillis8923
    @cindywillis8923 2 роки тому +2

    Whoever bought and stocked the wagon didn't explore the project thoroughly as their preparations weren't correct at all. Too many mistakes were made with their provisions which were clearly someone who had no clue what they were doing. Terrible preparation by production. I'd forgotten how badly they had done. Many, many mistakes that were just careless and thoughtless.

    • @brendaf3132
      @brendaf3132 2 роки тому

      I never watched it back when it was first done but, now years later I can see how incompetent their production team was. They obviously didn't provide them with the proper equipment nor supplies. Of course that may have been due to ignorance of items every pioneer had available to them.

  • @MariaSantos-hi9df
    @MariaSantos-hi9df Рік тому

    Han intervenido:
    The 1800s pionners
    Agradecimientos:
    Tien 21
    The 1800s
    The clegg museum
    Selvatgi
    Cortefiel
    Caramelo
    Parama jack
    Una produccion y formato original de:
    Credo entertainment
    Para:
    Estudios picasso

  • @cantbanme792
    @cantbanme792 2 роки тому

    16:36 yo hol' up

  • @hambone4984
    @hambone4984 4 роки тому +4

    I know I'd probably die or at least nearly die, but I'd still sign up especially if there's a chance at a fun but crazy year and a chance at $100,000
    P.S. OMFG!!!! Tom was charged with sexual assault! WTF 😱

    • @jfryza
      @jfryza 3 роки тому +3

      The charges were dropped.

  • @GraysonMiller69420
    @GraysonMiller69420 9 місяців тому

    26:34

  • @Laura-Lee
    @Laura-Lee 4 роки тому +3

    These four people were so totally clueless. Not even equipped with basic life skills, let alone farming-in--the-past skills. Alana is attempting to begin a garden and they are trying to plow at this point?! Anyone should know three things every human needs: to eat, to sleep, to go to the bathroom. You set up those three basic things FIRST. Then you're set up to do everything else. And since they are exposed to the elements, they need a shelter/roof for a kitchen, toilet and to solidify their tent as fast as possible. I would have had meetings with the Producers before I ever left the "20th Century" to see what preparations they had made. Plus I'd be having talks with the other couple, who I am supposed to be working WITH, and asking/thinking things like, "How will we care for the animals? What are our first tasks when we get there? Who is best at what?" When I originally saw this 20 years ago I thought, "If they don't get some help soon, they are doomed." Thank God, help does arrive. Although they are too arrogant to realize it. LL

    • @k.s.333
      @k.s.333 3 роки тому +1

      You fail to realize that many actual pioneers were also clueless. They either came from cities or somewhere in Europe and were unfamiliar with farming and the climate. Many suffered, had to quit, some even died.

  • @Gentry09
    @Gentry09 Рік тому

    I’m just starting to watch this on tubi. I’m actually 3/4 of th way through on the first episode and omg, it’s so crazy to see how whiney they are. We need sandpaper for the handles on our hand tools and plow handles. They are too slick, anybody knows that he said. Geez, for $100,000.00 you can put blisters on my entire body!! I mean they chose to do this and the constant whining is gonna get old if they don’t stop.

  • @13irarellano
    @13irarellano 3 роки тому

    Is it just me or do I hear constant stock sounds of farm animals edited in the background 🤨 it disturbs the experience and is a clear indicator that this is an american TV show 😂

    • @1984potionlover
      @1984potionlover 2 роки тому

      @@andrewbecker9062 Give Irma a break, eh. She's got quite the speech impediment, talking out of her arse and all...

  • @andreawoodson9133
    @andreawoodson9133 4 роки тому

    I'm feeling stressed watching

  • @milliebanks7209
    @milliebanks7209 3 роки тому +1

    The crew should not speak with the pioneers in order to be realistic. Sorry if I offend anyone.

    • @efwefwef4747
      @efwefwef4747 3 роки тому +2

      Yea they shouldn’t have appeared on camera either

    • @barbaranneboyer4796
      @barbaranneboyer4796 3 роки тому

      also period dress

    • @cantbanme792
      @cantbanme792 2 роки тому

      they should have put someone with a contagious disease in the group, should have sent natives to kill one or two of them, really make it realistic.

  • @Angie-GoneSoon
    @Angie-GoneSoon 3 роки тому

    They'd have to get rid of their dogs?! Not find new home, but get rid of.. like they were furniture!
    Wow!! 😠

    • @anne7204
      @anne7204 2 роки тому +1

      I think they said jobs, didn't they? That they had to get rid of their jobs.

  • @miguelangelcastelletcanter3469

    Han Intervenido:
    The 1800s Pioneers
    Agradecimientos:
    The Clegg Museum
    Walmart Canada
    Cowboys Canada
    Zara
    Big Star
    Pull&Bear
    Emporio Bags
    Laura Camino
    Optica 2000
    Idols
    Springfield
    Cortefiel
    Jackpot By Carli Gry
    Cottonfield
    Ditomo
    Coronel Tapioca
    Swiss Army
    Pikolinos
    Cowboy Hats
    Parama Jack
    Ikea
    Marset
    Club Internacional Del Libro
    Santa & Cole
    Bo Concept
    Decathlon
    Cowboy Tables
    Galeria Del Coleccionista
    Mama Graf
    Funding Provided By:
    The Ford Foundation
    Canadian Television Fund
    Manitoba Film Or Video
    Tax Credit Program
    The Canadian Film Or Video
    Production Tax Credit
    The Arthur Vining Davis
    Foundations
    The Cowboys Foundations Trusts
    And:
    The Corporation For
    Public Broadcasting
    Producer For History Television:
    Sydney Suissa
    Producer For Life Network:
    Bruce Glawson
    Executive Producer For PBS:
    Ralph Berger
    2000

  • @thomashindle3570
    @thomashindle3570 4 роки тому

    If something happen tomorrow morning ? (
    Thing ) what would you do .

  • @Yutube3946
    @Yutube3946 Рік тому

    OMG what about when the younger lady has a menstrual

  • @philakers320
    @philakers320 11 місяців тому

    😂😂😂😂

  • @amyladikos7817
    @amyladikos7817 Рік тому

    These people were cruel to those animals. Try to chop that chickens head off and laugh when I got up after they took an ax to it. Burned up their pregnant pig with fire ignorance. Had Hutterites doing their work....this show is horrible.

  • @mariapatriciachavez214
    @mariapatriciachavez214 11 місяців тому

    why should they get pay ..? for ?

  • @kamikazitsunami
    @kamikazitsunami 3 роки тому

    I feel sorry for the animals that were forced to do so much work. Watching those horses have to pull that heavy load pisses me off.

    • @katherinefauver8498
      @katherinefauver8498 3 роки тому +8

      That's their job! Every farm animal has specific work to do. Cows work to give milk, chickens work to provide eggs & meat. What's the use of strong heavy animals staying out in the field doing nothing while their muscles whither away from lack of work? Are you okay with the humans doing all the hard work when the study horses could be doing what they were created to do?

    • @kamikazitsunami
      @kamikazitsunami 3 роки тому

      @@katherinefauver8498 Who said that their fucking job you moron?

    • @efwefwef4747
      @efwefwef4747 3 роки тому +2

      Better then sending them alive over to China to get eaten lol

    • @kamikazitsunami
      @kamikazitsunami 3 роки тому

      @@efwefwef4747 choosing one evil over another is still evil. If you had a conscience you might understand that.

    • @efwefwef4747
      @efwefwef4747 3 роки тому +1

      @@kamikazitsunami hours and hours of pain to please some Chinese traditions? Or quick and painless death. If you had half a brain you might understand that

  • @pauldesfosses5318
    @pauldesfosses5318 2 роки тому

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