Line 6 Helix - How To Create A Great Tone - Pt. 9 - Understanding And Using SNAPSHOTS
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- In this installment I talk about how you can use Snapshots to set up your Helix for live and studio work. If you have been having trouble using Snapshots, tune in and learn how you can implement them successfully. Don't forget to subscribe to my channel if you are so inclined....thanks for tuning in!
I really have no idea where I'd be without your help Jason. Almost everything I know about the Helix Floor has come from your videos!
Jason i been watching videos for a month since i bought helix , your explanations and videos are by far the best ive found , theres no doubt you know what your talking about , this video is 3rd snapshot one and i finally understand it so much better , thank you and im joining your channell when i get done with this text , eager to start learning thanks bro
Finally! Someone explained this in a way that makes sense. Thx!
Thanks Jason… great explanation on the dual harmony and turned a “wtf!” Effect into a brilliant effect! Love it. 😊
thank God I landed on this video because I was ready to throw this thing through a wall... I'm a tone junky and have only ever had pedals... I bought this for the SIMPLICITY of it all as far as carrying gear and switching sounds and stuff, but good lord this thing is confusing to me. but not now! THANK YOU for this video man. seriously... thank you.
Totally my pleasure :-) Really glad it was helpful!
Yes it’s truly an investment learned over time lol . I felt guilty because i got this months ago and let it sit cuz I wasn’t feeling electric lately .. but dawned on me that I can send my mics thru this and plug in acoustic as well for separate paths .. soooo many options. I have the LT so I use a mixer for phantom power mics going in thru guitar in . Then I have acoustic running thru fx send or receive I forget but it’s amazing that you can internally route your path . Stoked
I felt the same way, but damn too much talky talky get to the point. At least for me, I'm a very "get to the point" type of person. Lol maybe my ADD is kicking in but shiit can we please streamline these tutorials and stay out of the weeds?
Roman, no. You can simply watch another video. Problem solved. Was that to the point enough for you?
@@JasonSadites I did, and it sure was. My comment was intended as constructive criticism and not an insult Jason.
Jason, I have had my Helix for about a week and have to say this series is invaluable for a neophyte trying to understand how this machine works. Outstanding job with the explanations and, more importantly, showing how to work within edit. I appreciate you keeping it simple and not talking down to us newbies! Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Oh very much my pleasure and so glad you are finding the videos useful :-)
I've had my helix for a month and I can finally say I understand how to use snapshots! I don't play live and I don't need them but I've been on a quest to figure them out. Very well explained thank you.
Been using the Helix for ages, consider myself pretty mastered of it, but loaded this video up to send a mate and decided to sit through it to make sure it covered what he needed to know and bugger me... I learnt a few things!
Great to hear it was helpful :-) Thank you so much for the comment!
So... did you get buggered?
Thank you so very much for doing this. I now have a much clearer understanding of SNAPSHOTs with STOMP MODE. It will be very useful. That "press n turn" trick at 16:15 is just fantastic!
You really answered my major questions about snapshots. Fantastic video. I just bought the Helix and I'm switching from my Head Rush which I understood pretty good and you answered like I said my major questions to get me going with my own snapshots. I've downloaded some and they are OK but not exactly what I'm looking for but with your help I'm pretty sure I can get the sound I want. Thanks so much.
Jason should be paid big time for these videos. Very helpful. Thanks!
Thank you for the thorough explanation of how to create and modify snapshots both on the Helix Floor and HX Edit. I figured it was quite simple but just couldn't figure it out and you explained it very well! Such a powerful tool!
To me, the snapshot concept and how to make it work for you on the Helix LT was the most challenging in the beginning. Since then, I manage ok, but this video has taken me even further. Sooooooo useful! And even when you make mistakes in the vid, it highlights features even further. Really good stuff. Maybe the best video in in your series, where each one of them are excellent. Many, many thanks for all the efforts in doing this, Jason!
+bluezchriz so glad you like the video and found it helpful :-) It is my pleasure!
Hey, man, kudos for everything you said so very well. Jason's a MONSTER!!!...the good kind, of course. At 72 I've got some extra time to watch lots of videos...I have no problem saying that he's simply the best out there. It's so cool, at my age, to have this ol' brain rejuvenated. I think my IQ may be increasing, thanks to Jason. ;)
Thank you so much for the kind words and so glad you enjoy what I do 😁
Jason, if it weren't for your videos, it would've taken me many months to get to where I am in just a few short weeks! Thanks so much for your help! Much appreciated!
Jason I would swear that you somehow knew the issues that I was having in transitioning to the Helix from my Spider 4. Relevant info and examples, well articulated and just great work. I'm now a subscriber.
That is awesome and so glad you are enjoying the videos :-) Thanks for the sub!
Best video I have watch about practical navigation of this tool. Thanks for posting it
My pleasure and thank you :-)
Dude, you're my hero. Had a Helix for a year now and you just helped me understand snapshots so clearly. Thank you!
There’s so much more to learn!! Absolutely helpful in every way, but now I gotta take this info and find what I can’t figure out next!! Lol thanks Jason!!
Superb video, great clear info and really listenable presentation. Other video makers take note. THIS is how you do it.!!
Wow thank you so much Andy :-) So glad you enjoyed the video!
Wow great stuff my eyes are opening to the power of the helix. Thanks Jason for the great information and simplified presentation. Keep them coming.
Thank you so much and my pleasure Dennis :-)
I don't have a Helix and I haven't actually played with one (though I have heard one and liked it). I'm looking into the Helix' possibilities as I'm thinking of buying one next year and I came across the concept of snapshots, so I wondered what that was all about. I was quite puzzled, until I saw this video. I would gladly recommend this video to anyone who wants to know what snapshots are, how they work and how you set them up. Even without having a Helix, this video gives me the feeling I can already operate one, or at least part of it. 😁 Very well done. If Yamaha/Line 6 isn't paying you already for making these vids, they should. These are not only making people eager to buy a Helix, they are also high quality in terms of sound & info and the explanations are really clear. Just perfect! Oh, and you play cool music, sir! I (also) like stuff like Protocol/Simon Philips with Andy Timmons, so I dig your work as well. A big cheers to you!
Thank you so so much for the kind words and really glad you like what I do :-)
This video was a real eye-opener for me - thank you so much. I was all set to ditch the Helix and go with something less likely to cause option paralysis - like a Strymon Iridium. Now that I understand snapshots for the first time, I've come to the realisation that the Helix CAN be as simple to use as an Iridium plus outboard pedals. If I were buying real amps, I would have two, maybe three. Likewise, I'd have maybe six or seven pedals. Use the Helix the same way - just concentrate on a small number of amps and effects and take a bit of time to set them up right in the first place. I'm now working my way through all of your "How to create a great tone" videos, to see what else I can pick up. Great work - and SO much better than wading through the 75 pages of the user manual!
the right click feature is what I have been looking for!!! Thank you soooo much for pointing this out. I have right clicked before but never thought to scroll down! lol
+Scott Swearingen yeah that one can be a little tricky until you know where it is :-) My pleasure and glad it helped!
When using HX Edit, I'm pretty sure you can press ALT on they keyboard and right click on the setting and the white brackets will show up. No need to just right click and scroll down to the bottom of the list. It's a bit quicker.
+Jason Kessenich thanks so much for that tip!I was unaware of that keyboard shortcut and that most certainly would be a quicker way and I will mention it in a future video, with film credit of course :-) Thanks again for that!
You're welcome!
Ha, perfect! I'll be a star just like you :)
+Jason Kessenich haha :-)
Love the idea of using recall for setting up the snapshots and then switching to discard if you so desire. There's so much great information in all of these videos, I've started an outline to keep everything organized lol.
+Rob Groden I love the Line 6 included that option. Thanks so much and so glad the videos are helping :-)
Yeah that was a great suggestion! Usually building the preset I will forget to save as I am going between the snapshots within it. That helped a ton.
Great demo. I watched three other videos that totally skipped how to engage snapshots in the first place!
SO glad you enjoyed it and it was helpful :-) Thank you!
This is an excellent tutorial imho. It cleared up a few misunderstandings that I had with Snapshots. I still am not sure if I need to use Snapshots, but now I've got an idea of how to create them if I do want to try it.
+Mooseboy08 thanks so much and glad you liked the video! Sure is nice to have the snapshot features available when we need them :-)
Super helpful video Jason... thanks very much! I’m a bass player and I got this unit so I could run through it, as well as 1 or 2 of our guitarist. I plan on setting songs up with different snapshots for the guitarist to manage section changes in the songs. This video helps with understanding how to at least setup one of the instruments.
Thanks +CaptureNotes and so glad the video was helpful :-)
Really great very detailed explanations of both how the processor functions and how to set it up - thank you.
Thank you very much, Jason for this Video. It helped me so much. There are so many videos about snapshots on UA-cam, but no one tells you, that you have to do some settings on "Global Settings". Now i have it on my Helix.
Amazingly informative!!! Line 6 owes you a big thanks 🙏🏽
wow. thank you so much. it's the first time using a digital unit for as long as i play guitar and i was very confused with the Helix and all its modes. this video right here really helped more than you know. it's that thing where i say "oh, i get it". thank you!
+Mircea Steriu so happy it helped you out :-) It is my pleasure...Thanks for watching!
I just got my Helix a couple weeks ago. I've been going through a lot of your videos. Super helpful.
Your generosity in sharing all your knowledge is amazing. Thank you so much.
My pleasure and thank you so much :-)
Thanks for all of your videos! They are a tremendous help! I got my Helix this past Thursday and I am simply loving it.
The whole preset switch delay exists in all modeling units because they have to load things in and out of memory. The snapshots, which are a God send has all of it in active memory, we are simply turning them on and off.
Still have so much to learn and getting tons of information from you! I really appreciate all the videos!
Great tip on setting the Snapshot edits to Recall while you are programming the preset and then changing to discard after it is setup.
Also, THANKS for showing how to set the parameter "changeability" in HXEDIT. I couldn't figure out how to do that without using the unit itself.
My pleasure and thanks for the kind words :-)
Great tutorial! New to the Helix and didn't understand snapshots. I'm much more informed now thanks to this great video. Glad I found it!
I guess i'll have to write this about each video you share:
Thank you so much for this, i'm learning sooo much and you're a nice teacher! Great and clear job!
Thank you so much for the kind words and it is my pleasure :-)
Jason, thanks again. This is all fascinating stuff. You are indeed blessed with talent and IQ. I've been watching some of your older videos, when you had some hair, some great playing going on there. Now Chrimbo is out of the way I can spend more time on this. I've got a bit of a backlog to go thru, being out of the loop for almost a fortnight...let the fun begin. Regards James
+James Rushton thanks so much for the kind words and my pleasure. Just happy you are enjoying the videos and hope you enjoy the ones you haven't seen yet :-)
Thanks for the info. It opened up a world of possibilities in my mind as to what I’ll be doing next.
Awesome and my pleasure Greg :-)
Really awesome, helpful, and educational! Thanks so much! You did a great job explaining these, and I really appreciate it! Love all your videos!
Thank you and totally my pleasure :-)
Good info and video Jason. For a new user it can be difficult and daunting but with hands on practice it can become 2nd nature. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much Stephen and glad you enjoyed :-)
That's a great tutorial and explains so many questions about using the snapshots .. Thank you so much.
right-click in snapshot mode! Holy crap! that's what I was missing!!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Thank you for this! I just got the helix lt but I know it's the same os. But this is my first pedal board and the only videos I've seen, explain stuff like you're supposed to know what it all means already. Thank you for explaining. Great video
My pleasure and glad it helped :-)
great service you're providing here. I just recently acquired the helix and ran into a stumbling block with trying to quickly setup snapshots through the editor. I thought it was kind of weird that I should have to "initiate" a snapshot through the floor unit by activating snapshot through the "push" parameter knob. I noticed snapshot in some but not all of the drop-down menu's for parameters in the editor. now if I could just get the built in expression pedal to maintain zero in the heel down position :-(
again, your presentation and subject matter is excellent. great chops too!
Thank you so much Phil and glad you enjoy the videos :-)
Fantastic video; exactly what I needed for my new Helix. Subscribed!
Thanks so much Eric and glad it was helpful :-)
Another helpful video. Thanks Jason.
This was absolutely excellent. While we are in lock-down, I have a new project, thanks
Excellent video, just got my stomp and the amp snapshot settings not saving was driving me crazy, right click was the answer, thanks!
Awesome and glad it helped :-)
white bracket~! that's what I needed to know~ Thank you so much!
My pleasure and so glad it helped :-)
Absolutely hands down the best tutorial
Great Video Jason!
Thank you so much Rajesh :-)
A wealth of information! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you so much and my pleasure :-)
I felt a bit overwhelmed when I first got my Helix LT. There's a bit of a learning curve in regards to making presets and routing everything. Most new guitar players know little to nothing about which pedals to put before/after the amp, send/return, splitting/merging blocks, 4CM, etc... I think they could make the user interface just slightly more "for dummies" friendly. Perhaps a tutorial mode built into the Helix where it explains step by step how to setup a basic preset or snapshot. Your videos really help with fully understanding and utilizing Helix. Thank you!
Thanks and so glad you enjoyed the videos :-)
Thank you sir. This video really made me understand the Helix 👍😎🎸
My pleasure and glad it helped :-)
Excellent tutorial! I just purchased the Helix, but the documentation in the owners manual concerning snapshots was very difficult to make sense of. Your video was a huge help, thanks!
Thank you and my pleasure :-)
brilliant work once again man. I really love your videos. thank you and please keep up the good work.
Thank you so much Col :-) Much more to come!
Thank You Jason, You’ve Saved me months...Great Breakdown...
Again, learned a lot that stuck with me in a very short time - Thanks !
+Larry Good my pleasure :-) And so glad it helped!
Just to give context, I come from a classical piano and classical guitar background. At age 59 this year, I decided what the heck, I will dive into a new world. Never had any experience with any of this, so it's much fun and new opportunity. I did my homework before I bought some gear and realized that a new world was possible with this "Helix". Little did I know. !!!
+Larry Good that is amazing! And a totally different world to classical for sure. So glad you are having fun with it all...it sure is a great time to be a guitarist :-)
Awesome Videos Jason ✅✅✅✅✅
Great video Jason, thank you !!!
Yes, please make a 100 videos of all the features. =)
Haha, I will see what I can do :-)
Once again excellent video i learn everytime time something new :)
+laxtlo that is awesome and so happy you are enjoying the vids :-)
+laxtlo that is awesome and so happy you are enjoying the vids :-)
Im glad to be first to comment..and simply, once again..."Thank you!!!" Now I own you two meals :) aaaahahah...good job...lovin' it!
+Hrvoje Malovic my pleasure and hope you find the video helpful :-)
That was a huge help. Thanks!
Great Instructions - Thank you
Great vid, thank you for clarifying things!
Thank you so much and my pleasure :-)
thanks , helped right away... super video.....
Fantastic! This helped a lot. Thanks
My pleasure Edward :-)
...and thanks for your videos! It is very helpful.
Thank and it is my pleasure :-)
Any time I can hear the riff from “Over The Hills And Far Away” is a good day in my book!
Haha, isn't just the best Dean? :-)
LOL! Agreed.
HUGELY helpful! thank you so much!
Ok lets try now!!! Thanks!!
My pleasure :-)
The Godin LP looks and sounds just heavenly!
Really helpful video again, thank you. Does anyone know if there us a shortcut key you can use instead of having to select right right click then snap shots on each parameter? Thanks again
Thanks so much :-) If I remember correctly off the top of my head, if you hold the 'Alt' key while clicking the paramater it will put it into Snapshot mode...hope that helps!
@@JasonSadites That's brilliant, thanks a lot Jason!
Got my Helix LT today and started working on a couple of tones for Metallica's Enter Sandman, just as a means of familiarising myself with the unit (been using a POD XT Live for twelve years).
When I switch from the clean intro snapshot to the heavy rhythm snapshot, the chorus turns off, the distortion turns on and the noise gate turns on but the amp settings remain the same. The same thing happens the other way, too. I can save the heavy rhythm tone with all the settings as I want them but when I switch to the clean snapshot, the amp is still as per the heavy rhythm setting.
I'm loving the tones that I've got out of this in just a couple of hours of fiddling about but this is driving me nuts....Heeeeelp!
It could possibly be your global settings, maybe?
@@JasonSadites All sorted now, thanks, I somehow missed the bit about right-clicking on the sliders that I'm changing between the two snapshots and selecting 'snapshot' from the drop-down list.
I've been watching loads of your videos over the last few days while waiting for my Helix LT to arrive, you're a wealth of information and I'm very grateful for your extensive and informative videos. Many thanks to you!
For those of us with a pea sized brain your the man :)
Hi Jason. I'm kind of new to your tutorials. So far they have been very useful. I'm currently interested in setting up an extended sustain, maybe in a snapshot but probably on a stomp box. The sustain I want to achieve is quite long as in one of Santana's lead solos ...perhaps 7-10 seconds, maybe longer. Is there a suggested setup for something like this? Thanks for your informative tutorials!
Great Vid Jason! 👍
Thanks so much Eric!
Jason, This video is so good! BUT - it appears to be a couple years old (not sure what version of the firmware this is). I'm on the most current (which is 2.82), and the options, especially under "Global Settings" in this case, appear to be different (more added, etc.). Is there some new info, tutorials, etc. that isn't 2 years old? If so, any links, etc. might be REALLY helpful. Thanks.
Someone may have already mentioned that ALT click will bring up the snapshots white brackets on a parameter. I've also read, but not tested, that control click or double click will return it to it's default value.
Yes, somebody else had pointed that out and I had mentioned it in the following video in the series :-) It is a really great shortcut to speed up the workflow, thanks for pointing it out again! I will have to try out the Ctrl click. Thanks!
Man your videos are full of such great information. One note of criticism though, you tend to say the same point 5-6 times, especially later in your videos. I'm watching on 1.5x and I still have to skip whole sections. Still, the benefits outweigh the cons here. Good stuff, just wish it was a little trimmer.
I am absolutely in love with snapshots. Just came to the realization that the options are endless. I love the fact that you can have a switch activate an effect, or group of effects and they behave one way and then in another snapshot the effects are different. I will have a swell snapshot, but then on another one use the same swell switch, but they are VERY minimal so basically a bit of ambience.
Do other modelers use similar concepts? Any modeler will have that delay if they change their preset, don't they? Just the nature of modelers.
I couldn't agree more! Once somebody gets their head around how snapshots work it is amazing what can be done with them. I can't speak for different modelers and how the handle the problem of loading patches, but I do LOVE the Helix snapshot feature :-)
That keyboard shortcut you posted the other day is also a major time saver. Nice going through all the effects and alt-click each parameter that I will be changing on each effect before I start.
I would absolutely love if Line6 could put in some feature where you can set amps, effects and cabinets to a "preferred" setup and whenever you load that effect or especially for amps/cabs and EQs they are already at our ideal setting, instead of trying to remember what we typically change. I wish they took advantage of the Template setup on the board, instead of simply being another setlist.
Yeah I love that shortcut also, but I can't take credit for it :-) A user from the Facebook group named Jason Kessenich messaged me about that as I was not aware. So we have to both thank Jason for that one!
I agree about the preferred settings idea. I guess you could creat your own template for different amps like that yourself. I have done that with my preferred "chain" that I always use.
I wish we could just do that on the unit and not hx edit .. when I see that on the video I just check out mentally - can we just make snap shots on the unit to play live using the 4 cable method ?
Ive noticed a tone change (its subtle) when you change from Multi Output to whatever your output is. In my case its XLR. There's a little extra harshness in multi? Oh and GREAT videos. Thanks so much for doing these.
Thanks so much for the kind words and glad you are enjoying the videos :-) I have not noticed what you mentioned about the Multi out. Although I usually have mine set to Multi. I will have to try that out when I have a moment. Thanks!
Also the input has a subtle change. Its a high pitched something on the note when in multi. It just sounds more solid when in XLR. On another note, your use of the LA 2A on the output has been a fantastic addition to my patches. As you said it glues the sound together in such fantastic way. Thanks again !
I will have to explore that a little further. So glad you like the studio comp at the end, that is one of my favorite things to do :-)
great thank you
Thank you so much Paul :-)
Can I have 4 snap shots on the bottom and one on the top and then 3 effects on top or does it have to be 4 and 4?
ah thanks for that HX edit snap tip!!
My pleasure Andrew :-)
So if I’m understanding this correctly you’re going to be working with the same number of blocks between all of the snapshots? It’s just that each snapshot may have different blocks turn on or off for example if I want to clean sound on the fender twin and a distorted sound of Vox ac 30, both amps will be taking up block space But muted on and off between snapshots
Great video. I have one dumb question...sorry I just received my LT this week. To create a snapshot do you first start with a preset and then make it a snap? I know...but everything I have read and watched seems to skip over this.
Hi Monty, a snapshot is part of a preset. So yes, start with a preset and then enable the parameters/blocks you need to change in snapshots as shown in the video. Thanks!
Jason I have a question for you. I noticed on your the video that your strings are NOT top wrapped. Have you ever tried this ?. I always do it on guitars that have stop tail piece and found the strings easier to bend even though it allowed me to go up 2 gauges. i.e. I used to play with 9s and now use 11s. This also had the added benefit for me of a thicker sound and a lower action. Regards James.
I have seen a lot of people do that but somehow never felt the need to try it myself as I have been happy with the feel of my stop tail piece guitars as is. I am a .10-.46 player on all of my guitars and so far seem pretty happy at that gauge. Thanks for the observations about it though and maybe I will have to give it a try to see if I like it :-)
is it possible to hit one button in stomp box and have two blocks turn on?
Hi Gary, it sure is :-) Make sure you have the capacitive touch turned on for your footswitches. Select the first block you want to control with the footswitch and touch the switch you want to assign it to. Then hit OK. Do the same thing for the other blocks you want assigned to that switch. You can also do this from HX Edit software with the Controller Assign tab.
THANK YOU!!!!
My pleasure Peter :-)
Thanks very much for the video. All I needed was around 15:56. Just pressing the knob while turning does the trick. But I haven't found a way to change specific parameters per snapshot in the HX edit software. Does somebody know a way to do this? (so I get the brackets in HX edit)
That is what this whole video deals with in detail.
Ok thx Jason. Guess I will watch it from start to end then^^ really need to know how to do the trick on the PC and not on the helix itself. Haven't found it in neither of the two manuals either.
The video deals mostly with HX Edit so you should find your answers.
is there an undo/recover feature. like if you mess around with the setting and don't like the changes you made (while you are still in recall mode) ?
Not that I am aware of.
Nice
Jerry Wawak thanks much :-)
Did they take the save button away in the new version of edit? Why would they do that.
Check that just changed the logo
Yeah they just changed it to a folder icon :-)
Dear Jason, do you play on the Helix with headphones sometimes? Which headphones do you use? My Helix LT sound awful on headphones... I founded out, that because of relatively high impedance of the output (12 Ohm), one should use the headphones at least with 96 Ohms (rule of 1/8). So now I ordered Beyerdynamic DT 770 pro with 250 ohm. I hope it will work... What is your experience?
I have been using my Sennheiser HD 600 headphones and they work and sound excellent with the Helix. They have a 600 ohm impedance and seem to pair up nicely. So, you may find that the new BeyerDynamic phones you bought may sound a lot better having a 250 ohm impedance, hope they work out for you!
Thank you very much for your answer! I hope they will work out for my. In case they will not sound good, I will try Sennheiser HD 600... :)
No problem at all and I hope you find some headphones that work for you!
Can you only have eight snapshots total, or eight snapshots per preset?
You can do eight snapshots per preset :-)
Thanks. I figured out what I was doing after re-watching your video.
Hmmm ... I think the snapshot edit logic should be backwards.
The parameters are global by default and are turned into snapshot specific by right clicking.
They should be snap specific and turned on as global by right clicking.
This would be way more intuitive.
Other than that, damn this thing powerful !
Why not just right-click turn them all white so you can tweak
My Helix is from Hell...have very little satisfaction with it...tried time and time again to find something 80-ish crunch and Brad Gillis Boogie singing leads and can;t even get close. 3 weeks in and one week left before I can return it for a full refund...so lost and disappointed...My X3 live and Vetta II sounds better believe it or not. Can't believe how hard it is to find something satisfactory...even the presets sound like it is coming from a transistor radio. At the music store it sounds really good when going thru the Line 6 Powercab but thru my tube poweramp and Mesa 4x12 it just isn't happening.
So sorry to hear this! Can I ask what tube power amp you are using? Depending on what kind of signal the power amp is expecting to 'see', you may have the output settings set incorrectly in the Helix. If the power amp is wanting to see a Line in then you must set the Helix appropriately and same as if it wants to see and Instrument input. I would check that first. Also, once that is set correctly, make sure you have any stock cabs or IRs shut off in your signal path. Let me know if any of that helps...