As a student pilot, I *really appreciate* the great controllers out there. If (when) I get confused and they give me suggested headings, that simplifies navigation so I can focus on flying the plane (that and extending the downwind and they'll call my base - not just for sequencing). I'm currently < 30hrs, so when I hear things like, _"Turn left to join 45-degree on right downwind on 'Tree Zero Left'"_ I still get a little turned around.
An ounce of grace would have help tremendously here. ATC made an unsafe situation being so abrupt. A new pilot, whether or not he’s ready for solo is still in the air and is still the responsibility of ATC. By speaking with such sternness he created an intimidating environment to everyone in the pattern, making pilots hesitant to make any calls. This ATC needs to be removed and retrained promptly.
I disagree with the last statement. Of course the ATC could help this pilot in a better way, at the same time , we need to consider about a busy airspace like GATEWAY with 03 runways.
I can respect that, The reason why this ATC should be removed for retraining is because if a pilot acted this way he'd be removed from the cockpit for CSR retraining. I don't know what the equivalent is for ATC, but this one clearly needs more of it.@@Flight_Follower
Boy I feel for that student. Sounded like he was on the verge of panic. The ATC made the situation much more dangerous by adding to the dude's stress for the first half of their interaction instead of helping him calm down and get re-oriented. I don't care how busy the airport is, it won't be made any less busy by letting a student pilot get killed and potentially kill others. Also, being helpful instead of being a dick would have been just basic human decency.
The controller was way too harsh with that student pilot after the student pilot admitted he was disoriented and nervous. He should’ve simply given him vectors all the way through final and told him the runways is right in front of him.
The student pilot should've studied the procedures fully before he even took off, his instructor shouldn't let him go until he was clear what he was doing, this is being unprepared!🙄
I was terribly unprepared by my CFI’s too, even after I got my private license decades ago. Since I had no idea about orientation into airports I had never been to, I had to fly over all unfamiliar airports, just to orient myself. My instructors never taught me to “superimpose” landing runways onto my flat compass card for orientation………Though I fly 777’s now & gave 5,000+ hours of instruction, I’ve never forgotten how important it is for students to receive quality instruction.
Why couldn’t controller say he saw him the first few times. Sounds like he couldn't care less what happened to him. Isn't the controllers job to ensure everyone is safe. Regardless of the CFI once the student is in the air he needs to treat him in a way that won’t get him killed.
CFI and controller are both at fault here IMO. No way he was ready for solo at or near a tower controlled airport. Tower was way too impatient for a student pilot. It sounds like there is quite a bit of student traffic at that airport, so those guys need to put on their happy faces when stuff happens. I'm sure it is frustrating, but making a student pilot stress out more than they already are isn't helpful, and could get someone killed. I hope the pilot realizes his own abilities in the future and refuses the solo until he is comfortable.
Maybe it was his first solo, maybe he was panicked, maybe he was suffering unexpected turbulence, it was sure he was not ready(he didn’t even know where is the downwind! )the controller atc man wasn’t sure what was happened at that first moment, it must be a busy airport clearly it has more than two runways, I am suggesting atc should be trained to deal with this situation, it was an emergency situation for this fresh student, just give him vectors and help him land please! And call his instructor for more information please. This freshman was innocent and helpless.
Poor guy. Way back when, at KAPA there was this lady tower controller who was a she-bear: fierce and no-nonsense, but the myriad student pilots were her cubs. She could hear when you were nervous across state lines and would have made the Space Shuttle do a go-around to clear up the airspace if it meant getting you safely on the ground. 😹
HIs CFI was irresponsible to let him solo at this stage. The student pilot clearly lacked confidence and should not have been solo. The onus is also on the student to let the CFI know that they are not feeling confident. A good CFI would have then asked about the areas the student didn't feel confident about and addressed these by more practice flights until the student felt confident. Sure, first time out most people will be nervous but that should go away after a few minutes if the the basic competence is there.
I remember my first solo 45 years ago and never notified tower I was first solo. It was a windy day and I was re-positioned to a less desirable runway after take off and sure enough my first landing fell apart on the ground. I weathervaned 90 degrees seeing my right wing going down the runway over the center line and nose looking at the grass and tire rubber on the 10,000'x 150" runway. Fixed it and took off with better results.. Never forgot about about aileron and rudder use in cross wind landings again. Luckily only the tower people saw it since the runway was not visible to others due to distance and obstructions.
That’s an awesome experience, I can co-relate with my first SOLO now. Thank you sir for sharing the incredible story of your first solo. Are u flying any aircraft or retired now?
Wow...I still haven't had my solo, and I am completely comfortable in the pattern. Whoever approved this guy for solo needs to get a phone number from the tower.
@@ahmedsalaheldinas Except I have firsthand knowledge of this concept, because I'm going through this process right now. Also in aviation, we have a concept called a debrief, where we analyze what happened in a flight and discuss the good and bad, to reduce the possibility of bad events in the future. That's what we're doing now. This pilot was clearly not ready for a solo, so the CFIs involved need to debrief, review their student solo assessment process, and improve it.
What I do is i bug on the heading indicator which runway is in use, this way I know at all times where Im at in the pattern and not get disoriented with different runways.
I’ve flown into Gateway… good controllers, but they have three parallel runways, and it’s a very busy airport. The student pilot did the correct thing by informing the controller of his disorientation and nervousness. The controller assured him and cleared the way. The student probably flew into Gateway with his instructor previously, but the instructor most likely wasn’t making him do ALL of the radio work. I wouldn’t be surprised if the instructor is low time. Lessons learned all around.
Absolutely! Best thing the student pilot declared the situation over R/T. As u mentioned GATEWAY is a busy airport. It was very difficult to adjust all the traffic from controller perspective. However, he landed safely that’s the best thing.
I hope most pilots would understand the guy's situation and go with the flow. We all started out as students. Same goes for controllers too. I was based at an airport where controller trainees were assigned and things didn't always go smoothly.
We're all human, but the controller was (more than) a bit too short with the student pilot. I definitely get that he has more things to worry about than holding the hand of a nervous student, but (and this is my opinion), the situation could have been resolved more quickly if he had not been short with the student. Now, I'm going to throw out my opinion as an academically trained linguist, a language teacher and a private pilot: The CFI is clearly at fault in this situation as well; the student clearly does not have a secure enough command of ATC phraseology to negotiate a landing at a controlled airport. There's distinct difference between standard English and ATC phraseology. It's certainly possible to teach enough phraseology to a student with an insecure command of standard English to enable him/her to fly safely. The CFI didn't do that, and he not only did his student a disservice in this failure, but he potentially put the student and other pilots at risk in sending the student unprepared into controlled airspace.
I was terribly unprepared by my CFI’s too, even after I got my private license decades ago. Since I had no idea about orientation into airports I had never been to, I had to fly over all unfamiliar airports, just to orient myself. My instructors never taught me to “superimpose” landing runways onto my flat compass card for orientation………Though I fly 777’s now & gave 5,000+ hours of instruction, I’ve never forgotten how important it is for students to receive quality instruction.
This guy had no idea of a 'circuit' and no RT whatsoever. Total disgrace... CFI should not have soloed him and he should have showed better judgement in accepting it.
I agree completely with GamerChickenn. No way this person was ready for a solo this day at this airport. Totally disoriented, extremely poor understanding of even how to navigate the traffic pattern. That pilot’s CFI should get a number to call.
That controller needs to be reprimanded and retrained 😡😡😡 he’s not only putting the student pilot in danger by being an ahole but he’s also putting people on the ground in danger
Wow freaky. Well even if you know how to fly your first solo CAN be scary. I think the Controller did OK, he had to move traffic and gave sharply worded instruction. If you go solo your mostly have done a bunch of patterns just before with the instructor. Kinda odd feeling when he jumped out and I was there alone:-) but my solo had no issues. Well I slipped down as I came in too high 🙂
How do you know he’s not English proficient. He speaks with proper English. He said he’s nervous, I believe him. I don’t know why the controller took so long to recognize his call for help.
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His English was not the problem. His problem was his CFI who sent him solo into this airport before he was ready!
No problem with the language, I agree
Absolutely. The controller could be a little less irritated. If that were a teenaged white girl he'd probably be very understanding.
@@SuburbanDonHe’s likely irritated at his Flight Instructor who sent him out there unprepared…
Absolutely it's the CFI's problem. No way this student pilot was prepared to solo!
As a student pilot, I *really appreciate* the great controllers out there. If (when) I get confused and they give me suggested headings, that simplifies navigation so I can focus on flying the plane (that and extending the downwind and they'll call my base - not just for sequencing). I'm currently < 30hrs, so when I hear things like, _"Turn left to join 45-degree on right downwind on 'Tree Zero Left'"_ I still get a little turned around.
1:16 "I'm not gonna let anything happen to you". These words can save a rookie pilot in distress.
Absolutely! The controller has a vital role here specifically in case of distress!
An ounce of grace would have help tremendously here. ATC made an unsafe situation being so abrupt. A new pilot, whether or not he’s ready for solo is still in the air and is still the responsibility of ATC. By speaking with such sternness he created an intimidating environment to everyone in the pattern, making pilots hesitant to make any calls. This ATC needs to be removed and retrained promptly.
I disagree with the last statement. Of course the ATC could help this pilot in a better way, at the same time , we need to consider about a busy airspace like GATEWAY with 03 runways.
I can respect that, The reason why this ATC should be removed for retraining is because if a pilot acted this way he'd be removed from the cockpit for CSR retraining. I don't know what the equivalent is for ATC, but this one clearly needs more of it.@@Flight_Follower
Boy I feel for that student. Sounded like he was on the verge of panic. The ATC made the situation much more dangerous by adding to the dude's stress for the first half of their interaction instead of helping him calm down and get re-oriented. I don't care how busy the airport is, it won't be made any less busy by letting a student pilot get killed and potentially kill others. Also, being helpful instead of being a dick would have been just basic human decency.
True!
The controller was way too harsh with that student pilot after the student pilot admitted he was disoriented and nervous. He should’ve simply given him vectors all the way through final and told him the runways is right in front of him.
When he declared, the controller could come up with more helpful attitude
The student pilot should've studied the procedures fully before he even took off, his instructor shouldn't let him go until he was clear what he was doing, this is being unprepared!🙄
I was terribly unprepared by my CFI’s too, even after I got my private license decades ago. Since I had no idea about orientation into airports I had never been to, I had to fly over all unfamiliar airports, just to orient myself. My instructors never taught me to “superimpose” landing runways onto my flat compass card for orientation………Though I fly 777’s now & gave 5,000+ hours of instruction, I’ve never forgotten how important it is for students to receive quality instruction.
Why couldn’t controller say he saw him the first few times. Sounds like he couldn't care less what happened to him. Isn't the controllers job to ensure everyone is safe. Regardless of the CFI once the student is in the air he needs to treat him in a way that won’t get him killed.
Well said
Actually he didn't tell him he saw him and told him to fly heading 300 until he verified it was him!
CFI and controller are both at fault here IMO. No way he was ready for solo at or near a tower controlled airport. Tower was way too impatient for a student pilot. It sounds like there is quite a bit of student traffic at that airport, so those guys need to put on their happy faces when stuff happens. I'm sure it is frustrating, but making a student pilot stress out more than they already are isn't helpful, and could get someone killed. I hope the pilot realizes his own abilities in the future and refuses the solo until he is comfortable.
Couldn’t agree more
Maybe it was his first solo, maybe he was panicked, maybe he was suffering unexpected turbulence, it was sure he was not ready(he didn’t even know where is the downwind! )the controller atc man wasn’t sure what was happened at that first moment, it must be a busy airport clearly it has more than two runways, I am suggesting atc should be trained to deal with this situation, it was an emergency situation for this fresh student, just give him vectors and help him land please! And call his instructor for more information please. This freshman was innocent and helpless.
I completely agree sir! I believe u have covered most of the points here!
Poor guy. Way back when, at KAPA there was this lady tower controller who was a she-bear: fierce and no-nonsense, but the myriad student pilots were her cubs. She could hear when you were nervous across state lines and would have made the Space Shuttle do a go-around to clear up the airspace if it meant getting you safely on the ground. 😹
HIs CFI was irresponsible to let him solo at this stage. The student pilot clearly lacked confidence and should not have been solo. The onus is also on the student to let the CFI know that they are not feeling confident. A good CFI would have then asked about the areas the student didn't feel confident about and addressed these by more practice flights until the student felt confident. Sure, first time out most people will be nervous but that should go away after a few minutes if the the basic competence is there.
It’s a mandatory part of a CFI, unless the student is confident, the CFI should not allow for SOLO
Patience is a virtue.
Unfortunately!
I remember my first solo 45 years ago and never notified tower I was first solo. It was a windy day and I was re-positioned to a less desirable runway after take off and sure enough my first landing fell apart on the ground. I weathervaned 90 degrees seeing my right wing going down the runway over the center line and nose looking at the grass and tire rubber on the 10,000'x 150" runway. Fixed it and took off with better results.. Never forgot about about aileron and rudder use in cross wind landings again. Luckily only the tower people saw it since the runway was not visible to others due to distance and obstructions.
That’s an awesome experience, I can co-relate with my first SOLO now. Thank you sir for sharing the incredible story of your first solo. Are u flying any aircraft or retired now?
Wow...I still haven't had my solo, and I am completely comfortable in the pattern. Whoever approved this guy for solo needs to get a phone number from the tower.
Hopefully u will get your solo soon. Best of luck buddy
@@Flight_Follower Thanks. We're just waiting for the weather to not suck.
I play football on Mondays as well. Best position “quarterback”
@@ahmedsalaheldinas Except I have firsthand knowledge of this concept, because I'm going through this process right now.
Also in aviation, we have a concept called a debrief, where we analyze what happened in a flight and discuss the good and bad, to reduce the possibility of bad events in the future. That's what we're doing now. This pilot was clearly not ready for a solo, so the CFIs involved need to debrief, review their student solo assessment process, and improve it.
Keep the blue side up! Fly safely and if you’re disoriented admit it
What I do is i bug on the heading indicator which runway is in use, this way I know at all times where Im at in the pattern and not get disoriented with different runways.
Absolutely! Best technique to follow specifically flying a SOLO mission.
Thanks for sharing
What exactly do you do, what means "bug on"?
@@Giurumea Marking on the heading indicator to make it easier to maintain heading.
ATC was being a dick... HE just needed to have some patience in his voice and help this poor man...
Yep. My instructor told me to expect them to be a dick. They r always dicks
No comment on this 😄
THis controller was a big part of the problem.
Can u pls highlight some!
I’ve flown into Gateway… good controllers, but they have three parallel runways, and it’s a very busy airport. The student pilot did the correct thing by informing the controller of his disorientation and nervousness. The controller assured him and cleared the way. The student probably flew into Gateway with his instructor previously, but the instructor most likely wasn’t making him do ALL of the radio work. I wouldn’t be surprised if the instructor is low time. Lessons learned all around.
Absolutely! Best thing the student pilot declared the situation over R/T. As u mentioned GATEWAY is a busy airport. It was very difficult to adjust all the traffic from controller perspective. However, he landed safely that’s the best thing.
I hope most pilots would understand the guy's situation and go with the flow. We all started out as students. Same goes for controllers too. I was based at an airport where controller trainees were assigned and things didn't always go smoothly.
Yes sir! Well said, things doesn’t go smoothly always!
We're all human, but the controller was (more than) a bit too short with the student pilot. I definitely get that he has more things to worry about than holding the hand of a nervous student, but (and this is my opinion), the situation could have been resolved more quickly if he had not been short with the student. Now, I'm going to throw out my opinion as an academically trained linguist, a language teacher and a private pilot: The CFI is clearly at fault in this situation as well; the student clearly does not have a secure enough command of ATC phraseology to negotiate a landing at a controlled airport. There's distinct difference between standard English and ATC phraseology. It's certainly possible to teach enough phraseology to a student with an insecure command of standard English to enable him/her to fly safely. The CFI didn't do that, and he not only did his student a disservice in this failure, but he potentially put the student and other pilots at risk in sending the student unprepared into controlled airspace.
Good points and thanks for sharing the informative info
@@Flight_Follower You're most welcome!
I was terribly unprepared by my CFI’s too, even after I got my private license decades ago. Since I had no idea about orientation into airports I had never been to, I had to fly over all unfamiliar airports, just to orient myself. My instructors never taught me to “superimpose” landing runways onto my flat compass card for orientation………Though I fly 777’s now & gave 5,000+ hours of instruction, I’ve never forgotten how important it is for students to receive quality instruction.
Thank you sir for sharing the incredible experience of your life. This is very much motivating of course. The role of CFI is unparalleled.
The tower needs to speak with the instructor. That Pilot was not ready for solo.
This guy had no idea of a 'circuit' and no RT whatsoever. Total disgrace... CFI should not have soloed him and he should have showed better judgement in accepting it.
He need some more hour i guess
I don't want to be rude but there is no he should've been allowed to do a solo.
Can’t say that! He had some issues as flying first SOLO. However best part, he landed back safely
I agree completely with GamerChickenn. No way this person was ready for a solo this day at this airport. Totally disoriented, extremely poor understanding of even how to navigate the traffic pattern. That pilot’s CFI should get a number to call.
CFI let him down- ATC was fine... Student Pilot was not ready. I doubt he could chair fly the pattern and speak outload about his intentions.
That controller needs to be reprimanded and retrained 😡😡😡 he’s not only putting the student pilot in danger by being an ahole but he’s also putting people on the ground in danger
I don’t believe he was a student pilot
But yeah you are right anyway
Only guy who is at fault is the CFI who endorsed this guy that is totally not prepared.
He was not prepared. Agreed
$1000.00 this Air Traffic
Controller does not have a pilots license.
😀😀
Makes me not want to go to school that was scary
U are a student or CFI?
Wow freaky. Well even if you know how to fly your first solo CAN be scary. I think the Controller did OK, he had to move traffic and gave sharply worded instruction. If you go solo your mostly have done a bunch of patterns just before with the instructor. Kinda odd feeling when he jumped out and I was there alone:-) but my solo had no issues. Well I slipped down as I came in too high 🙂
Well said
Why did he solo in the first place and not English proficient?
How do you know he’s not English proficient. He speaks with proper English. He said he’s nervous, I believe him. I don’t know why the controller took so long to recognize his call for help.
His English was okey, I guess
Good point!
Is this a DEI pilot lol? ATC should have given him a number to call!
Considering his experience, is it required!
DEI isn’t a thing for student pilots lol
Racist much?
Was diversity also the issue with that white girl who cried on the radio during her solo? Such a disgusting comment.
Yikes
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Reminds me of TNFLYGIRL🥴
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