These look awesome - genuine question - these look so much larger, is there any chance of either overworking the turbo, or getting some boost drop due to the add'l capacity of the charged air track?
it cools the charged air way better, but there is more turbo lag… but not by much that you will notice. Think of it as a small balloon vs a big balloon aired up with the same air pump. The air pump only supplies a certain amount of pressure but it takes a bit more time/volume to fill the larger one
Not related to this FMIC, but I wanna share my experience to help answer your question. My best friend and I have the same car (F22 M235i RWD 8AT) (mine is a 16' and his is a 15') (same odo mileage). We both have exactly the same mods, (FMIC, charge pipe, catless DP, full straight-pipe exhaust [all parts from VRSF] -- stock turbo, air intake, and inlet, -- both tuned running MHD Stage 2+ 93oct AKI). Our cars are as close to a identical as they can be, except for: I have the VRSF 5" FMIC, whereas he has the 6.5" VRSF FMIC. Time after time, I consistently pull on him the slightest bit. We've never gone to a proper drag strip, but judging from our trips to Mexico, I estimate that I would put about a car length between us--me in front (assuming in this example we have the same RT at the tree). When we do ~30mph to ~90mph rolls in Mexico, I'm always even then start to walk up slowly and keeping pulling away at the higher end of the speed range. Both cars are running perfectly fine. Neither him nor I know the reason behind this, it's not him as a driver, it's clearly the cars. I strongly suspect that it is due to my intercooler. It is the only difference between our cars. My theory is, since my FMIC has a lower internal volume, it pressurizes faster--providing less lag, lower pressure drop which I assume means there is a higher volume of air entering my throttle body due to the theoretically higher boost. This small advantage in turbo response/spool, allows me to climb through the 'lower' rpms ever so slightly faster than him, and get into the powerband quicker, from there i just hold the lead. So in conclusion I think that there IS a small difference, but unless you compare them like my buddy and I have, you will not know the difference. TLDR: The smaller VRSF FMIC might provide slightly faster acceleration but will not be noticeable.
@@Sakkie_S55_M3 your example is assuming the first balloon was using a pump that maxed out pumping it up. BMW's are nerfed stock. Meaning their current stock equipment can handle more than what they put out from the factory. Most manufacturers don't do this. This is why stage one is safe with stock equipment. Aftermarket charge pipe is recommended for stage one since it's plastic and will break. Which doesn't cause any damage other than to the charge pipe if it breaks. These two FMIC's will give close to zero added lag.
I have a 2013 328i so I am glad you got this car, I'll probably be copying most of what you do on yours I about to do the 335i exhaust install like you did it back in July, KEEP MAKING VIDEOS ON THIS CAR PLEASE.
I tried installing this kit with my friend today and we simply could not get the new aftermarket clips onto the car, WE STRUGGLED FOR HOURS, until I finally gave up and said lets try putting the stock pipe back on and the clamp snapped in with barely any force needed… can Yall please help me out on this
These big size intercoolers increase the turbo lag further with stock tubochargers. Only effective if you also upgrade turbocharger of your car, otherwise you wont feel any difference.
Dude i love your videos, been watching for years and its because of this I've invested in an F30. You're awesome!
Thanks. Just saved some money. Happy holidays
The live graph was a nice touch!
These look awesome - genuine question - these look so much larger, is there any chance of either overworking the turbo, or getting some boost drop due to the add'l capacity of the charged air track?
it cools the charged air way better, but there is more turbo lag… but not by much that you will notice.
Think of it as a small balloon vs a big balloon aired up with the same air pump. The air pump only supplies a certain amount of pressure but it takes a bit more time/volume to fill the larger one
Not in any sort of way that would be noticeable or even matter really.
Not related to this FMIC, but I wanna share my experience to help answer your question. My best friend and I have the same car (F22 M235i RWD 8AT) (mine is a 16' and his is a 15') (same odo mileage). We both have exactly the same mods, (FMIC, charge pipe, catless DP, full straight-pipe exhaust [all parts from VRSF] -- stock turbo, air intake, and inlet, -- both tuned running MHD Stage 2+ 93oct AKI). Our cars are as close to a identical as they can be, except for: I have the VRSF 5" FMIC, whereas he has the 6.5" VRSF FMIC. Time after time, I consistently pull on him the slightest bit. We've never gone to a proper drag strip, but judging from our trips to Mexico, I estimate that I would put about a car length between us--me in front (assuming in this example we have the same RT at the tree). When we do ~30mph to ~90mph rolls in Mexico, I'm always even then start to walk up slowly and keeping pulling away at the higher end of the speed range. Both cars are running perfectly fine. Neither him nor I know the reason behind this, it's not him as a driver, it's clearly the cars. I strongly suspect that it is due to my intercooler. It is the only difference between our cars. My theory is, since my FMIC has a lower internal volume, it pressurizes faster--providing less lag, lower pressure drop which I assume means there is a higher volume of air entering my throttle body due to the theoretically higher boost. This small advantage in turbo response/spool, allows me to climb through the 'lower' rpms ever so slightly faster than him, and get into the powerband quicker, from there i just hold the lead. So in conclusion I think that there IS a small difference, but unless you compare them like my buddy and I have, you will not know the difference.
TLDR: The smaller VRSF FMIC might provide slightly faster acceleration but will not be noticeable.
I'm looking at a FMIC because I'm stage one and plan on hitting stage two soon. I wouldn't buy this for a stock F30. Waste of money.
@@Sakkie_S55_M3 your example is assuming the first balloon was using a pump that maxed out pumping it up. BMW's are nerfed stock. Meaning their current stock equipment can handle more than what they put out from the factory.
Most manufacturers don't do this. This is why stage one is safe with stock equipment.
Aftermarket charge pipe is recommended for stage one since it's plastic and will break. Which doesn't cause any damage other than to the charge pipe if it breaks.
These two FMIC's will give close to zero added lag.
Hope they start doing this on other models and even get into turbos!
Super easy. Think I will upgrade by myself an increase intercooler on my car
I have a 2013 328i so I am glad you got this car, I'll probably be copying most of what you do on yours I about to do the 335i exhaust install like you did it back in July, KEEP MAKING VIDEOS ON THIS CAR PLEASE.
Now we need upgraded turbo manifold. N55, N20, N26
Hey Brian I have one off your M2 comp bumpers on my 328 will install be just as easy with this bumper?
I’d like to point out you’ve come so far from three years ago at your first shop with no lift or space
Will only the upgraded intercooler give some sort of performance increase, or only facilitate better tuning?
facilitate better tuning
@@davidrubin2612 Upgraded intercooler always boosts performance without tuning.
They will also work with the N13 engine right?
Qusestion: Does it matter in cold climates on stage 1? I get it it makes a big difference in AZ, but Iwe have snow 6 months of the year
Yes, keep the N26 mods coming
Can it also be installed for the N13 engine?
Is this for petrol and diesel cars I have a bmw f30 320d Ed would it work in it
Can you gain power only by installing a charge pipe, upgrade intercooler, cold air intake and exhaust without any tune?
no
Yes you can.
Great video
Thank you!
@Kies Motorsports, is it the same size as the CSF M2 Intercooler?
I switched from CSF, this PTF one is way bigger!
Is this intercooler compatible with N47 engine of a 328D?
I tried installing this kit with my friend today and we simply could not get the new aftermarket clips onto the car, WE STRUGGLED FOR HOURS, until I finally gave up and said lets try putting the stock pipe back on and the clamp snapped in with barely any force needed… can Yall please help me out on this
Will they fit f10 535i and F15 xdrive35i?
I’m with u I hope these will be made for F15 35i
Unfortunately, no. Refer to 1:41 where he states that only the 1, 2, 3, and 4 series f-chassis are compatible.
Yes
They do make one for the 5 series
Any love for the n47 diesel lol
This wouldn’t work with the F chassis with the b58 ??!?
B58 doesn’t use an intercooler. It uses a water-to-air charge cooler
How about 5 series?
🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻👏🏻, Awesome vídeo, thanks for sharing it !!!!
These big size intercoolers increase the turbo lag further with stock tubochargers. Only effective if you also upgrade turbocharger of your car, otherwise you wont feel any difference.
Untrue there is no turbo lag with 5-7” stepped intercoolers especially if you tune it stg 1 or 2.
Bryan can you please try and speed up a little when asking folks to subscribe to the channel. thx.