Look man, I live in the Swiss Alps. Neither do I want the tourists nor do I want the farmers - both of them are low value added and the externalities are extreme to the detriment of the majority of the population... All while lining the pockets of a few landowning heirs. Their cows are everywhere and everything is full of excrement. Not a hike in the whole country where you don't have to dance around an ungodly amount of massive turds. There's no real nature left here, just farms. Noise everywhere. Machines. People. Cow bells. Actual neture is being displaced. And 98% of farmers here don't do actual food, just milk for cheese and Joghurt. It's a wholly outdated industry and reliant on govt. subsidies. And tourism sucks... Very few Swiss work in these low pay jobs so they import loads of cheap labour from poorer EU nations, putting more pressure on already scarce housing. So what do I profit from it as a resident? Absolutely nothing. I just get the externalities.
Whilst I agree, there are subsidies during hard times too. A key part of the solution would be capital investment into regenerative farming / creating better water retention infrastructure for our farmers. This would help to create more robust farms and help farmers long term
We will see how this particular cycle turns out. A detailed review of our history of management from "natural" to intensive and back might show how this is normal recycling of advantages in power to use violence?
Oh, you want your meat price higher? Just ask any swiss person living near the border, they prefer to buy meat in france or germany because it's cheaper. It's so prevalent that meat smuggling to swiss by a family is a crime.
Why couldn't greenhouses be located adjacent to businesses that produce a lot of excess heat as a by product? Then you could capture some of the heat and divert it to a greenhouse to offset at least some need for separate hest source for greenhouse. Build a greenhouse adjacent to a large bakery. Place "water jackets" around the oven outlets and them send the heated water to the greenhouse. It might not be enough to meet total demand but it could surly replace a large percentage of need. Same for ceramics manufacturers or even thermo electrical generating plants....
Swiss here... Because 98% of Swiss farmers produce nothing but milk. For industry. Cheese. Yogurt. It's absolutely retarded. There's grass fields full of cows all over the country. Everything is smelly and full of excrement. And just because that's how it's always been done. You'd think it's the 18th century. Like we didn't have global shipping or a variety of vegetables. I hate it. And they get subsidies like crazy instead of letting an outdated model die.
Just a note from New Zealand. - protectionism works in the short term but creates a false economy. Int he end it bankrupts a country. NZ was nearly bankrupted from protectionism. On another note - I’ve read Hannah Richies book “Not the end of the world” and buying local isn’t always the best for the environment. (Oxford Martin school / our world in data. Really changed how I understand sustainability and what we’ve achieved and what needs to happen.
The idea of growing what is appropriate for the conditions is the big take away here, and something that Australia needs to get much better at. A greater approach to balance of what is grown would help farmers and consumers. The governments also working to control the big supermarkets would also help farmers.
to ABC Australia & Prue Adams, and of course all the people around the world who watch this report and learn something new about another great, beautiful culture.... As "mentioned" here, Bern, the capital of Switzerland, this must be corrected and said: Switzerland itself, as in some ways unique in the world compared to most other countries.... We have, and there is no capital in Switzerland!!! Neither Bern nor, as many think or believe, Zurich is the capital, so one can rest assured that the small Alpine country of Switzerland does not have and never has had a capital! Bern is the so-called "only" federal capital, which means that it is basically a kind of representative of a quasi-capital because the Federal Palace is based in Bern, i.e. the entire government and its representatives, all parliamentarians meet in Bern for their sessions to politicize the national affairs of the entire country! Therefore, Bern is only automatically the capital in the eyes of many other people and also the media abroad because it is the seat of government of Switzerland and the recipient of foreign country representatives, the president, head of state. There is no real capital of Switzerland..... A good geography quiz trick question 🤭😉 Greetings from Central Switzerland Lucerne 🇨🇭🤗
Just let me get this straight you can burn wood, but you won't be able to use gas or coal. The outcome is the same...lol You have to spray for white flies and aphids or they will destroy your crop.
Hmm a bit of history lesson. In europe there was once an Event in the 19th century called „the year without summer“. A massive famine, people were even paid to leave the countries to south america, north america or russia. Entire valleys left. Surroundinh countries blocked the export of food. In WW2 it was a simiiar story. Switzerland could only produce 1/3 of it‘s food the rest was imported. During the war football fields and basicly every little patch of land was used to farm no matter how inefficient it was. Still there were rations. Switzerland was surrounded by axis power, which forced the politics to cooperate with them on certain areas in order to keep food imports possible. Hitler or mussolini didn‘t have to Invade switzerland in case of war they just needed to block the borders. Those are 2 examples why the swiss have a very subsidized farming industry. Yes, it‘s inefficient but it‘s better then nothing and being fully dependent on foreign powers for the own food.
By the votations in the last years the Population of 🇨🇭always voted for the Farmers. They Like the Farmers and protect them against the Green polititians ‼️
+ruth... I'm not sure if the $wiss like the farmers. I think it's more that the Federal Farmer's Assisiation (or how it's called) has a powerful lobby. Swiss were even so stupid to vote against having clean drinking water which can contain too much phosphates because of the farmers.
More mindless landline clickbait. Look at Di and Ian Haggerty, Nutrisoil, Dr Christine Jones, and Grant Simms at Down Under Covers. All inspirational leaders in regenerative ag in Australia
What's the alternative, a return to multiple cultivation passes across a field? That just leaves barren, exposed soil vulnerable to erosion after a rain
Significant acknowledgment what farmers do to contribute to tourism in the alps especially
Look man, I live in the Swiss Alps. Neither do I want the tourists nor do I want the farmers - both of them are low value added and the externalities are extreme to the detriment of the majority of the population... All while lining the pockets of a few landowning heirs. Their cows are everywhere and everything is full of excrement. Not a hike in the whole country where you don't have to dance around an ungodly amount of massive turds. There's no real nature left here, just farms. Noise everywhere. Machines. People. Cow bells. Actual neture is being displaced. And 98% of farmers here don't do actual food, just milk for cheese and Joghurt. It's a wholly outdated industry and reliant on govt. subsidies. And tourism sucks... Very few Swiss work in these low pay jobs so they import loads of cheap labour from poorer EU nations, putting more pressure on already scarce housing. So what do I profit from it as a resident? Absolutely nothing. I just get the externalities.
How is cheese and joghurt not an actual food?
So what were some of the strategies actually suggested then?
It's all about subsidies
Hmmm. Not good for Australian farmers who don't get subsidies but who are subjected to the whims of metropolitan dominant decisions.
Whilst I agree, there are subsidies during hard times too.
A key part of the solution would be capital investment into regenerative farming / creating better water retention infrastructure for our farmers. This would help to create more robust farms and help farmers long term
Anything can be done with handouts like the Swiss have, as well as keeping their stock indoors.
Subsidized to the hilt ,the cultural significance is undeniable, that makes it more value than money
I’m am a farmer, not in CH nor AU but I am sure it boils down to the same issue, politicians, bureaucracy and NGOs, they are killing us.
I work on a farm too. Farming has a huge impact on biodiveristy. I think it is good that we have to follow certain rules to protect nature.
terrific story, and pretty obvious that organic is the only way forward for all ag.
"obvious"?......hardly
Organic is a very limited solution. Yields go down significantly and the costs for end consumers go up. There needs to be a balance.
Bern is not the Capital City of Switzerland. Bern is the Federal City of Switzerland. We 🇨🇭 don't have official an Capital City
We will see how this particular cycle turns out.
A detailed review of our history of management from "natural" to intensive and back might show how this is normal recycling of advantages in power to use violence?
Oh, you want your meat price higher? Just ask any swiss person living near the border, they prefer to buy meat in france or germany because it's cheaper.
It's so prevalent that meat smuggling to swiss by a family is a crime.
I'm sure Swiss farmers could learn a lot from how we farm our deserts too. Sheesh.
Why couldn't greenhouses be located adjacent to businesses that produce a lot of excess heat as a by product?
Then you could capture some of the heat and divert it to a greenhouse to offset at least some need for separate hest source for greenhouse.
Build a greenhouse adjacent to a large bakery. Place "water jackets" around the oven outlets and them send the heated water to the greenhouse. It might not be enough to meet total demand but it could surly replace a large percentage of need.
Same for ceramics manufacturers or even thermo electrical generating plants....
Property ownership... NIMBY
Because your zoning laws
Swiss here... Because 98% of Swiss farmers produce nothing but milk. For industry. Cheese. Yogurt. It's absolutely retarded. There's grass fields full of cows all over the country. Everything is smelly and full of excrement. And just because that's how it's always been done. You'd think it's the 18th century. Like we didn't have global shipping or a variety of vegetables. I hate it. And they get subsidies like crazy instead of letting an outdated model die.
Or produce biogas from food waste and manure.
Gouuud Zhing .. i see what u did there
Switzerland aims for food security. Nothing wrong with that
Just a note from New Zealand. - protectionism works in the short term but creates a false economy. Int he end it bankrupts a country. NZ was nearly bankrupted from protectionism.
On another note - I’ve read Hannah Richies book “Not the end of the world” and buying local isn’t always the best for the environment. (Oxford Martin school / our world in data. Really changed how I understand sustainability and what we’ve achieved and what needs to happen.
Switzerland is strongly free trade-oriented. We just make an exception to protect agriculture which is less than 4% of the economy.
Yodeling goodness 🍻👍
The idea of growing what is appropriate for the conditions is the big take away here, and something that Australia needs to get much better at. A greater approach to balance of what is grown would help farmers and consumers. The governments also working to control the big supermarkets would also help farmers.
to ABC Australia & Prue Adams, and of course all the people around the world who watch this report and learn something new about another great, beautiful culture.... As "mentioned" here, Bern, the capital of Switzerland, this must be corrected and said: Switzerland itself, as in some ways unique in the world compared to most other countries.... We have, and there is no capital in Switzerland!!! Neither Bern nor, as many think or believe, Zurich is the capital, so one can rest assured that the small Alpine country of Switzerland does not have and never has had a capital! Bern is the so-called "only" federal capital, which means that it is basically a kind of representative of a quasi-capital because the Federal Palace is based in Bern, i.e. the entire government and its representatives, all parliamentarians meet in Bern for their sessions to politicize the national affairs of the entire country! Therefore, Bern is only automatically the capital in the eyes of many other people and also the media abroad because it is the seat of government of Switzerland and the recipient of foreign country representatives, the president, head of state. There is no real capital of Switzerland..... A good geography quiz trick question 🤭😉 Greetings from Central Switzerland Lucerne 🇨🇭🤗
At least Swiss realize primary economic activity is necessary before secondary or tertiary activity may occur. There not importing food from China. 😮😊
China doesn't export much food at all. China imports 50% of it's food.
I have bought garlic from China in a big Swiss supermarket a couple of years ago. But nowadays most imports come from the EU and Africa.
Wildlife corridors
When hypocrisy reaches its peak, this is what happens.
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Switzerland is soooo cute and quaint.
Just let me get this straight you can burn wood, but you won't be able to use gas or coal. The outcome is the same...lol
You have to spray for white flies and aphids or they will destroy your crop.
Burning wood is pretty much carbon neutral.....any CO2 released from burning wood is theoretically absorbed by other growing trees
So they’re completely inefficient farmers in Switzerland?
Yes.
As a Swiss I can't disagree. But the upsides are really beautiful countryside, tasty Produce and most of all the Water quality is getting better.
Hmm a bit of history lesson.
In europe there was once an Event in the 19th century called „the year without summer“.
A massive famine, people were even paid to leave the countries to south america, north america or russia.
Entire valleys left.
Surroundinh countries blocked the export of food.
In WW2 it was a simiiar story.
Switzerland could only produce 1/3 of it‘s food the rest was imported. During the war football fields and basicly every little patch of land was used to farm no matter how inefficient it was. Still there were rations.
Switzerland was surrounded by axis power, which forced the politics to cooperate with them on certain areas in order to keep food imports possible.
Hitler or mussolini didn‘t have to Invade switzerland in case of war they just needed to block the borders.
Those are 2 examples why the swiss have a very subsidized farming industry.
Yes, it‘s inefficient but it‘s better then nothing and being fully dependent on foreign powers for the own food.
By the votations in the last years the Population of 🇨🇭always voted for the Farmers. They Like the Farmers and protect them against the Green polititians ‼️
+ruth... I'm not sure if the $wiss like the farmers. I think it's more that the Federal Farmer's Assisiation (or how it's called) has a powerful lobby.
Swiss were even so stupid to vote against having clean drinking water which can contain too much phosphates because of the farmers.
?
Bizarre Swiss hypocrisy.
More mindless landline clickbait.
Look at Di and Ian Haggerty, Nutrisoil, Dr Christine Jones, and Grant Simms at Down Under Covers. All inspirational leaders in regenerative ag in Australia
No till has always looked like a scam from the big companies to keep their profits coming
What's the alternative, a return to multiple cultivation passes across a field?
That just leaves barren, exposed soil vulnerable to erosion after a rain
how do cows eat with huge bells around their necks? ridiculous abuse
They don’t wear these all the time. It‘s festive dress.
أنه جزاء من ثقافة جيرمنية جميلة.😂