What was overlooked in this argument is that Ruth was already hitting monster homers in the dead ball era. It caused a sensation. He still has most of the measured and confirmed longest homers ever hit. And if they came off slower pitches, then the distance was coming off his muscle and swing because simple physics shows that a faster pitch yields a longer homer. He was one of a kind.
Wasn't slower pitchers. This is a BS myth. How anyone can think that no players back then could throw in the high 90s is beyond me. Of course they could. Some of the hardest throwers of all time played in Babes era. There are more high heat pitchers today, but they certainly had plenty back then too. And all the pitches used today were used back then as well. Everything being thrown today has been thrown for over 100 years. Nothing new under the sun. Nolan Ryan didn't have all this BS players have today and he had arguably the fastest fastball ever and certainly the most consistent throughout a game. A full game, not pulled after 100 pitches. The first time Ryan's ball was measured by radar they took the measurement about 10 feet from home plate. It was 101mph 10 feet from the plate. Today they measure out of the hand. If they had measured Ryan's like that he would have clocked an absolutely absurd 108 mph. I don't know anyone that's got 108 mph fastball today. And Ryan was an old school player. Played in the late 60s. Didn't have all this BS that makes people think these players today are so much better than other eras. If anything, the fact that these players can't produce much better results than previous eras should tell you the opposite. Why don't we see 120 mph fastballs today if they're so much better? They have all this technology and aren't producing any better. In alot of cases their production is worse. They have national parade when Judge hits 62 HRs. If he's so much better and a "modern" athlete, shouldn't 62 homeruns be nothing for him? He should have 62 by June the way these people go on and on about how much better today's athletes are than previous eras. Seems that they're not better, they're actually worse, they have all this technology and produce the same numbers that have always been produced. This tells me they need these performance aids to be as good as previous eras. Babe done what he done hung over, with a belly full of hotdogs and a bad case of the crabs. Easy shit for The GOAT. ....... Of course they had high heat when Babe played.
@R M Brum Lt. Colonel ret. USMC Thank you. I get sick of seeing people disrespecting the accomplishments of players like Babe Ruth because they have this fantasy in their head that everyone sucked back then. Babe hit 500 ft homers regularly. Nobody today is hitting further than that or hitting them with regularity. We don't see 650 ft homeruns today so what makes people think these players are so much stronger? Nobody will ever accomplish what the Babe was able to accomplish in the time frame that he accomplished it. They can drink all the protein shakes and take all the steroids they want to, they won't touch him. He is the GOAT. Nobody will ever touch Ryans strike out record. They can't even see 27 batters a game, let alone play 27 years. Ryan had a game where he threw 235 pitches while throwing 95-100 mph. Who the hell today can do that? Nobody........Hell, Babe Ruth had a 14 inning start as a pitcher when he was in Boston that ended in a 2-1 win. Who the hell can do that today? NOBODY......Nobody will ever touch Joe DiMaggios hit streak. It ain't happening. All the training, all the time and money spent training and these players can only dream of a hit streak like that. Watch the 1960 WS where Mantle hit a 450 ft bomb opposite field. Nobody today is doing that. If one of these current "modern" athletes muster one 10 feet over the wall opposite field they all oooo and ahhhh about it 😂 All the training and technology and they can't do what a man done 60 years ago that didn't even have a batting glove. People need to GTFOH with that nonsense.
@R M Brum Lt. Colonel ret. USMC For me personally, the only player I've ever seen that I thought could give Ruth a run for his money was Bo Jackson. If he stays healthy perhaps he becomes The GOAT? He certainly had the power. Watch his 3 at bat 3 hr performance at Yankees Stadium. That 2nd HR was opposite field 500 ft. It hit the damn sign. That was a Ruthlike shot. Pure raw, unbelievable power. He stepped out and manhandled it 500 ft. Only 2 players can do something like that. Babe and Bo. And Bo played before all this analytics and nutritionist BS too.
Confirmed by who? Racist sportswriters of the day who would exaggerate, sensationalize, make up urban legends and tall tales to try to support the white supremacy/superiority doctrine of the era and write and say ANYTHING to sell newspapers and magazines! Can't run LIES and BS on scholars and historians! 🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅
If Babe was around today, he wouldn't be living unhealthy. Better diet, and exercise would surely be part of his routine. Regardless, Babe is the GOAT. Peers are peers. It would be like Judge hitting 120HRs to everyone else's 40.
Best ever? How the hell do you "Lick the boots and Sniff the poots" of a player you NEVER SAW play one inning, game, or season!? Oh, so this is what ongoing, generational white supremacy and RACISM is all about? Gotcha!
The Babe would dominate and amaze the modern public if he were in MLB now. No one talks about his eyesite. His ability to see the ball and to take a 2 step jig and swing and hit the ball 500feet high and 400 feet deep was amazing to people. The Babe was one of a kind....A BALLPLAYER
@@keithleverette8235 Babe Ruth stole home ten times. He stole 2nd, and then 3rd in the 1921 World Series. He was hyper aggressive on the bases. He hit 136 triples, stretching many doubles with aggressive running to a triple. He was a lean, muscular 6'2' 198 lbs for almost a decade.
@@tranquilo7566He was caught stealing as much as he was successful! Wait a minute, there are several seasons where his caught stealing stats couldn't be found? BS!!! He was caught more than he succeeded and against weak-armed catchers, not cannon-like and rifle-armed of those since integration! 🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅
Babe Ruth was pounding distant homeruns in THE DEAD BALL ERA! The ball was hand-stitched, stuffed with rags with no core. He was hitting homers not juiced on steroids ..but juiced on beer! He was tanked! Or fresh from an overnight bender. Face it...the man was playing damned near handicapped...AND HE WAS THAT GOOD!
Lies about blast , he pulled the ball over right field fences 300 feet down the line Were you there seeing these bombs ! , papers would put anything cause back then there was nothing ,,,, owners saved baseball not babe for profit , no integrity like basketball football or hockey Babe today would be like thome at best
@@tlouandtherest4378 when you take into account the inferior equipment of the day, bigger Ballparks like the Polo Grounds, and no Roids....he was as good or better than any.
People have an unrealistic view of Babe Ruth as an athlete. Most of the footage the see of Ruth was from the end of his career when he was sporting a pot belly. In his prime and for most of his career he was a well built athlete with odd thin legs. Look at his photos from his early to mid career and he is not just some fat guy who could hit. 6’2” and 215 lb is actually pretty trim. That’s what Ruth played at most of his career. If you look at the advantages of today vs the disadvantages of his day it’s pretty much a wash. Ruth may not have been as dominant as he was in his day because no one in baseball has been that dominant against his competition, before or since in baseball but he would still be a dominant player. The margin just might not have been so large. But Dan’s right. What matters is how you did against the competition of your time and no American athlete was as dominant for as long a stretch as Babe Ruth was. I said back in 2,000 when ESPN did their greatest Athlete of the Century if they chose Jordan over Ruth it was just recency bias and a sham. His Airness was great but he didn’t dominate like Ruth did. No one has.
What people fail to understand is that in era from 1870 to 1930, baseball was THE sport. Everyone played it all the time. My uncles played it. My aunts played it. The level of skill for even “semi-pro” home town teams was off the charts. Whatever scientific improvements have been made in training or fitness was simply out- matched by the sheer volume of play and players. To get to the MLB in that era, you had to be truly gifted. The only thing at question is pitching velocity, and it was probably far better then than people now want to admit.
there were few if any pitchers back in ruth's day hitting triple digits as there are todays. pitching velocity has gotten faster..and there is nothing the hitters can do to give them more time at the plate... hitting is indeed harder in todays game..
You're right but it takes a bit more analysis to reach any conclusions (which I'm not going to do!). Yes, a higher percentage of the population played baseball back then, so you're going to capture more of the top athletes. Today, many of the best athletes are siphoned off to other sports, depriving baseball of many elite athletes. On the other hand, there's a much larger population to draw from, and better training and nutrition. It'd be interesting to see someone tackle the analysis (they probably have somewhere). I'd bet heavily on today's players being objectively better.
Owners saved baseball They brought right field fence in to 300 feet giving pull hitters grace Bigger fields overall allowed bloop hits bloating players averages Baseball lied to fill the seats Babe was made great for money more than righteous Integrity flees with constant dimensions of parks tampered and altered with unlike hockey football and basketball having solid integrity Lopsided numbers , Ted 71 triples 24 stolen bases , Rickey 66 triples 1406 stolen bases ,,, Integrity vs money and money ruled not integrity , honesty or truth
He did get to about 240lbs at his max. That was the famous story about his manager making him get in shape or throwing him off the team. Babe had to get that gut down in the late 20's... When he started though, he was not 215. He was a thinner teenager who pitched all the time. You see pictures of the 1916 Babe Ruth , he's 190 lbs or so max. He looked like an ordinary pitcher.
Ruth would be more dominant today. Any era comparison is done by dominance over your peers. The '20s parks were massive. Yankee stadium; 490 to center. 5 of 8 AL parks were 468+ ft. In 1921 Ruth hit 59 hrs; he out-homered every other TEAM in the American League. (That's hitting 310 hrs today). He set major league records in HRs, runs (177), RBIs (168), .512 OBP, .846 SLG%, 1.359 OPS, walks (170), extra-base hits (119), total bases (457), times on base (353) and runs created (229). Modern era is far easier for a hitter; jacked balls, 5-6.00 era pitchers, low mounds, strike zone 1/5 the size, no spitballs, no fastballs at the head. 1920s, no helmet or pads. Bonds era, he wore football pads to the plate, the strike zone was tiny, the size of catchers mitt, and no bean balls allowed. Ruth hit 255 hrs 450 ft, 51 over 500. Bonds had 3 go 450 ft pre-roids. Bonds is a 15 HR guy in those gigantic 1920s stadiums. With his weak arm, a benchwarmer.
I think people forget that in general, baseball was a much more ruthless sport back then. Also, Ruth lived on whiskey, cigarettes and poor nutrition. add in the more contemporary sport science of training, nutrition, and supplementation… that would likely take his game to another level by itself
Yes and no Parks were bigger allowing a few more dozen hits giving players bloated averages Owners saved baseball by bringing in the fence to a high school level 300 feet ideal for pull hitters Today babe would had been no better than thome
Maybe a couple of times Short fences down the line after WW1 to bring the fans , owners saved baseball After babe other hitters started hitting homers too proof Reggie must of hit 2000 outs 315 feet all would had been homers than All players before 1970 had bloated averages too with bigger fields getting dozens of extra hits every year Ted with 71 triples 24 stolen bases yet Rickey got 66 triples and 1406 stolen bases Cobb was the goat before 1950 and Willie after 1950 Babe was a bum and 50% homers were 310 feet , they exaggerate his accomplishments with his bloated stats for ticket sales , owners were into profits not integrity Ted Williams was the biggest fraud today and would had been no better than Jeff Kent today at most
If I had to guess, Babe Ruth today would remind me of Kyle Schwarber lefty uppercut swing but with the quickness and bat speed through the zone (just like Bonds) numbers and power of Yordan Alvarez. He’d be a classic DH/1B in his older years and LF when he was younger. His attributes in MLB The Show as a LF were solid as can be. He even had better speed when he was younger too.
Ruth made short films between the 1931 and 1932 seasons. They were basically instructional for kids. They are on UA-cam. He even demonstrates how to throw a knuckleball. His shape is a bit odd but not really fat. He even demonstrates how to slide.
@@dylancoolbaugh4166 Yeah he did. Walter Johnson, Smokey Joe Wood, Lefty Grove, Grover Alexander, Ed Walsh, and other.Get your head outta your ass, alright?
You have to remember the best athletes played professional baseball. There was no NBA or NFL back then. So your top cream of the crop athletes were playing baseball. In addition, you also had a situation where there were no night games. You still had the spitball around until 1920 and then it was grandfathered for about another 10 years. So there are a lot of factors to consider. Is it the same game now it’s a different game but would Ruth or Cobb ultimately dominate in today’s game? I would say yes. They would adapt and thrive.
One small fact. Live ball was introduced in 1914. In the dead ball era, teams played little ball through the while lineup. After the live ball was introduced, teams continued to play little ball for several years. Ruth introduced the home run as something to play for. Within a couple of years, the game got the idea and other players were putting on HR totals in the 30s and 40s.
@@davemeckfessel1296 No, 1914. Sports historians understandably call the era through 1919 the dead ball era based on the style of play, which was what we call today little ball. The new baseball itself was introduced in 1914, and, some say, perhaps earlier. The terminology may be confusing, but the facts are not.
The Ray Chapman Beaning, which killed him in 1920. Beginning in the 1921 season, spitballs became illegal. Additionally fans were no longer to sit in centerfield obscuring the batters sight of a pitched ball.
Take out the 50 oz. bat, the hardened wood that big leaguers use, factor that into his bat speed, and much tighter seams on the ball. Oh btw, drop the mound too. 1000+ sound right. Still the best hr to ab ratio.
He did not swing a 52 ounce bat. more like 42 for a while, then 36. In today's game he would go for lighter bats. His exit velocity was measured (from film) at 115+, which is elite.
In his book he says he knocked an ounce off his bats every year, he had a bunch of bats made up every season, hickory or ash, but it started off around 48 ounces. The book is called Babe Ruths Book of Baseball
The "Babe" pitched five games during his 15-season tenure with the New York Yankees (1920-1934), and won all five of them!! Fact. "The Babe" was the BEST! "BABE" RUTH will always be the greatest baseball player of all time.....
Babe's stats were insane during a time where.... 1.The baseballs used during this time were not as tightly wound and would become soft and dirty during play, meaning you couldn't hit them as far. 2. The ball parks were larger back then they are today. Some center fields were well over 400 feet from home plate, with some even exceeding 500 feet. 3. Rules favored pitchers over hitters 4. Because of that pitchers had a much easier time and did things that are illegal in the modern day Babe Ruth with modern conditioning and diet would totally dominate today. And on PEDS, I can only imagine.
Babe played against the best in the world. They weren't playing baseball in Venezuela or the Dominican Republic or Asia back in the 1910's and 1920's. Put Babe on the same strength and conditioning program today's players on and he'd be AWESOME!
Lots of players today like burgers tacos and other fast foods. When their playing days are over and they get dad bods their blood pressure gets higher they start eating healthier.
I think he still would have been at the top of the league. People say his swing was too "busy" and too slow. That is because pitchers back then had to pitch 9 innings and so they only threw full power in key moments. Because of the lower velocity Ruth was able to use a very heavy 50+ oz bat with the goal of hitting for distance. The extra movement in his swing was him creating angular momentum in the the heavy bat so that it was easier to have the bat at full speed by the arrival of the ball. Ruth had to be very smart and adaptable to be the best. If he lived today he would be smart and he would adapt to the game. He would use a lighter bat and tighten up his swing mechanics to keep up with pitch speed. The increased pitch velocity would cause the ball to rebound off his bat faster, making up for the power loss of him using a lighter bat.
Ruth was an effing physicist of baseball hitting science. On top of that he was an amazing physical specimen! And to be a top hitter you have to be a scholar of pitching!
Whatta STUPID question!! Of course he could. If you have the God given talent to hit balls that far, and often, then you have it in any era. One thing about Ruth not many apparently know; he won 20 games in a season two years in a row, and led the A.L. in ERA one year as a pitcher!!! NOBODY IN ANY ERA EVER pitched and hit BOTH to that degree. EVER. So if he couldn't hit today, he do it with his arm, instead. Greatest baseball player in MLB history.....
@@Jiff321 Trout is a significantly better baserunner than Bonds was. In the years prior to no longer being an effective baserunner, Bonds was worth 38 BsR in 2296 games. Trout has already produced 60.6 BsR in 1252 games.
The ball parks were much bigger back then. Also, Babe Ruth used a very heavy bat, 50 ounces at one time which compare to todays 35 ounces People have picked his bat up and could not believe it. Todays youth have an automatic bias against yesterdays players. I look at every decade.
@@keithleverette8235 I have a friend who has a game used bat given to him by Ruth. It was HEAVY. FACT!!!! I bet you are like most young fans who only like to give credit to your era players. Someday Michael Jordan of the NBA will be "dished" because he was from years ago. It is normal for most fans to be loyal to their era. Please don't send me a response because you "might" have been wrong about your info. I will not even read it because you might have been "but" hurt.
@@alanmerritts, I've been a student, scholar, and historian of this game since the '60's, even saw Williams hit his final season in old Tiger Stadium! I have a library and memorabilia on MLB and the Negro Leagues! Don't care what your Dementia and Alzheimers friend has, Ruth didn't use 50+ oz bats in any recorded games! That could only occur if pitchers of his era were throwing no faster than 60-70 mph! If that was their top speed, plenty batters used heavier lumber! No chance WHATSOEVER in more modern times, 90mph+ fastballs, not even Samson or Hercules could pull that off with ANY SUCCESS!
@@keithleverette8235 I am also a student of the game and nearly 70. Since you know more than the players with played with him, I will let you win. Maybe now you will not bad mouth everyone who does not bow to you. How a good life but leave me out of it. Find someone else.
@M There are more 3rd world countries and developing nations than civilized ones. That is all you've proven. And by the way -- there are only 195 recognized nations on earth at this time. So your 240 number is bull shitt
The Bambino played in humungous parks, 460-480 to center, sometimes more. A ball traveling inside the foul poles, which he inspired out of necessity, but landed outside the baseline was considered foul. I know someone has probably added some of those up. It's got to be over a hundred.
Don’t forget, even though there was no integration back then, there were only 16 MLB teams. Also, most of the video of a heavy Ruth were from the later part of his career.
Ball parks were huge back then. they avg 400+ feet at shortest part of outfield fence. The ball was also a softer which made it harder to hit further and also decreased velocity a lil. Pitchers were also allowed to throw spitballs etc which is not allowed anymore as its considered an advantage for the pitchers. PED juiced Mark Mcgwire also tried to swing Ruths bat at HOF and said no way he could use that bat. It was 2-3 three times as heavy as the bats now.
One thing people refuse to consider is the success of players who crossed over from one era to another. Their games held up Ty Cobb started out early in the 20th Century and played into the 1920s. Ted Williams and Stan Musial both came up before World War II and both played effectively into the 1960s. The postulated dropoff between eras and pre- and post- integration just is not observed. Eventually, you have to yield to fact. Babe Ruth had prodigious power and his power would play today. In today's game, he would be a prodigious home run hitter. I don't think he would ever hit .393 or win a batting title even once in today's game though.
Basketball and football didn't change the size of the playing field. Fences should be far back like they use to. It was harder to hit HR's then flat out, he would dominate no argument to be had.
True and false Owners saved baseball putting fences down the line to 300 feet allowing pull hitters advantage ,,, Big ass fields have hitters dozens of extra bloop hits bloating their average Today babe couldn’t had kept up with thome , , , Baseballs deception and lie of the past where profits matter not integrity
Hit more home runs than teams did. If he was brought up today, he would kill. If you just put him at bat at age 30, he might have problems with the curve, and slider.
He rather go back to being dead than play against the great National Leaguers of the '50's, '60's, and '70's! And against today's 'smoke/heat', he'd rather open up a barbershop than face failure!
Babe Ruth's first 5 seasons were spent mostly as a pitcher and in the dead ball era.. now if he had batted and let's say averaged 20 home runs the first five seasons that would put him at 814 HR's.. No PED's, the travel conditions were horrible, they played all year around in barnstorming leagues, the baseballs weren't wound as tight as they are today, the fields were longer, the bats weren't as good then as they are today and the pitching WOW, this was a era dominated by pitchers, they could throw spit balls and any other kind of ball back then, no batting helmets, your head was totally exposed.. The Babe is the King and people should show him way more respect.
But I won't disrespect Dan Patrick because he's absolutely right. Greatness, in this case, must be measured relative to The Babe's dominance against his competition vs. the dominance of other players in any other era because the game of baseball has changed to the point that the vast majority of the starting pitchers in Ruth's time, as they were in the teens and the twenties, would be too small, weak and/or inferior to pitch in the majors today.
Babe Ruth is probably my favorite athlete of all time, though obviously that's based on reading about him. But he'd be shocked facing modern 6'5" pitchers throwing 95+.
@@fredkruse9444 i think if you put Ruth on the modern regimen of training and diet, along with all the science of hitting, he'd be even more dangerous. But yeah if you pluck him out of his era and put him in there against Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, etc. he is going to struggle a bit at first. You know what though? Even the modern players would struggle against them.
FYI, the spit ball was banned in 1920 but anyone throwing it at the time it was banned could continue to throw it. The last legal spit ball was thrown by Burleigh Grimes in 1934.
If he had been allowed to win MVP each year, he might have made MVP 5-8 times depending on a few variables. If he were alive today, he might not have had such poor nutrition; I think he could do pretty well today.
He'd definitely be a Hall of Fame caliber player but I don't believe his numbers would be the same . Of course if everything was like it was after 47 the Cy Young Award would probably be called the Satchel Paige Award . MLB missed so many great players because of segregation . All records in Cooperstown should be based as both leagues count as MLB .
@@romeoalpha68 The general level of the Negro League, however, was Double A. With integration, some of the white major leaguers would have been back in Triple A or even out of baseball. Most of the Negro Leagues players would have been in the minors or out of baseball. For another thing, although there were good pitchers in the Negro League, pitching was not the forte of the Negro Leagues game. Integration would not have changed the caliber of the pitching Babe Ruth or any other white major leaguer had to face that much. The increase in the quality of the position players would not have affected Ruth's hitting. He didn't bat against position players.
Ruth swung a 41 once bat back then and still got around on the ball. Todays players swing a much lighter bat, I think 34 ounce. Ruth didn't look strong, but he was.
Integration WOULD have made some difference, but before we go too crazy about that point, you should probably look up how many black MLB pitchers have managed to make their way into the HOF in the 70+ years since baseball integrated. And the number born in the U.S. is even smaller.
Bill Poole What??? There were 17 pitchers that could hit 95 back then and Babe faced 16 of them and hit a homer off of 14 of them. Don’t mess with me and Babe Ruth stats. I’ve been a fan of his for 37 years..since I was 3. I know every little thing about the guy. What’s true and not true. Meaning...if you don’t know the facts...SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Different era... extremely different eras...but if babe ruth was born in our time his childhood and upbringing would have been very different...every unique player adapts to the times they are in
I think the Babe could still be one of the greatest today’s hitter providing today’s training please you could have him as a permanent dh. We really don’t know the Babe’s exit speed of his homeruns were. I believe he probably could had exit speeds at the unreachable 140 mph with his raw strength and today’s training and workouts.
i think dan is over looking how bane ruth’s swing was different then most hitters and how his stance lead to baseball players not crossing their legs as they swing
Ruth would still be dominant. The guy was swinging a tree trunk back then. Give him a 34 oz bat and modern training and the Babe would hit 75 hrs a year.
@James for Safe Streets @James for Safe Streets What a mother of a task. Either pitch to Babe Ruth or to Gehrig. And I thought it was tough for teams to face Griffey and then Edgar.
Haha ur delusional af u he played against scrubs ground rule doubles back then counted as home runs he played in small ballparks including the polo grounds where right field was only 258 FT also used an illegal bat he called Betsy that was made of four different woods put together
Modern day could not handle Ruth. Not then, not now. He was by far the most prolific home run hitter of all time. He would make mince meat out of today's game.
When they brought the right field fence in all pull hitters started hitting homers Reggie back then would had 1000s of homers playing in a school yard , down the line at least Owners saved baseball not babe Today babe would be no more than a chris chambliss at best Now in yankee stadium it’s at 314 so to give babe more credibility Cobb could had hit today Mays too , babe 250 275 25 30 homers the bum and that’s with a 50 ounce bat
Babe Ruth would murder modern baseball ⚾️; knock cover off baseball ⚾️ if babe Ruth played at Belle isle on baseball ⚾️ field knock ⚾️ baseball o In detroit river with 🐟 fishes
He played baseball from the age of 7 years old every day of his life until he went into the major leagues you have to factor in how much practice he got in his life. If you don’t practice, you’ll never be any good at anything. He was 6 ft 3 It’s all relative.
Honestly under the context of what they said that the beginning? If resurrected in his Prime, with all the knowledge of his whole career? And given maybe two years to train? That includes all modern amenities of nutrition plans, PEDS, training methods, best equipment, and time to study the game? Uh hell yeah Babe Ruth would dominate?? Players live like gods compared to what they were living like in the 1900-1940s when Babe was playing. And same context, any pro player and take them back to that era? With lack of nutrition, rapid transportation, recovery methods, modern equipment? Yeah I dont think they'd be as good as they were in the Modern Era.
I doubt Ruth would dominate the way he did then but he would be elite. He had supreme baseball skills. He invented the modern hitting game. He instinctively understood launch angles, exit velocity (115mph+) and the importance of OBP. He averaged 133 walks a season. One analyst looked in detail at a season when he had 170 walks. 80 were intentional. HIs Slugging and OPS % were off the charts. He only averaged 86 strikeouts a season (pro rated 162 games)and never broke 100. Today his floor would be Bryce Harper. his ceiling, probably Albert Pujols.
@@scottdykema5385 Exit velocity 115 mph + 133 BB per season, incredible eye, knew instinctively about launch angles, knew the strike zone and his strengths because he had been an elite pitcher, Dominated the sport with archaic equipment. 1/3 of all the months he played he had double digit HR Ruth had supreme baseball skills that would translate into any era, especially with modern diet, training and equipment. Would swing a lighter bat. Want to see Ruth today? A combination of Kyle Schwarber (upper body strength in arms, shoulders, upper body) and Bryce Harper, (body coil and hitting consistency). Bat quickness, power and speed are eerily similar to both- Schwarber has been compared to Ruth but Ruth did Schwarber's best month after month, year after year. Ruth was also an incredibly clutch, high leverage situation player, not like the wretched post season Bonds. Ruth would not dominate the modern game he INVENTED. No one has , not Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Williams, you name it, but to suggest his elite skills would not translate is beyond ignorant. Floor-Harper Ceiling -Pujols Both going to the HOF And Ruth was an elite pitcher who would have won the Cy Young in 1916 and beat Walter Johnson 6 out of 8 times.
@@kenkaplan3654 115 mph you say? Not sure where you got that, considering radar hadn't been invented. And the 133 BBs? Yea, pitchers really sucked back then, but how much skill does it take to earn an intentional walk? Elite pitcher? Have you seen his comical throwing motion and delivery? To be an elite pitcher, you need to face elite hitters, not the farmboys and bar brawlers Ruth pitched to. If you want to compare Babe Ruth to todays athletes, look no further than a softball beer league.
@@kenkaplan3654 it's so funny how naive people are about big bats. The fact is, the lighter the bat, the more bat speed you generate and the more power you create. The only way Ruth could use such a big bat is because pitching was so slow. He could never hit a 90 mph fastball with that tree. Nutrition, coaching, development have all advanced to a level unimaginable in 1920. To compare a player of that era, to a modern trained and skilled professional in this day is border line ludicrous. Ruths number are a direct product of his era, not some super athlete before his time. He played against farmboys, clerks, bankers, hobos, anyone who could spend time playing a game. Most, including Ruth, smoked and drank heavily, pitchers threw complete games, even on consecutive days, and often, including Ruth, nursing hangovers. If your not familiar with the talent, hardwork and dedication it takes to compete these days, your not paying attention or giving respect to what modern athletes go through. Btw, baseball wasn't integrated during Ruths playing days. He may not even the best player of his era.
@@scottdykema5385 They have this thing called modern technology that extrapolates from film. Other than that i have no more interest in discussing this with you.
I could be wrong, but I believe it's only been en vogue in baseball to work out/train in the last 30 years. I believe that came with the LaRussa era A's of the late 80's when they had a team full of monsters who all heavily trained..which lead to the 90's era of PED's. Hell, I think Keith Hernandez used to smoke cigs in the dugout in the 70's and 80's and nobody cared before that.
What was overlooked in this argument is that Ruth was already hitting monster homers in the dead ball era. It caused a sensation. He still has most of the measured and confirmed longest homers ever hit. And if they came off slower pitches, then the distance was coming off his muscle and swing because simple physics shows that a faster pitch yields a longer homer. He was one of a kind.
Wasn't slower pitchers. This is a BS myth. How anyone can think that no players back then could throw in the high 90s is beyond me. Of course they could. Some of the hardest throwers of all time played in Babes era. There are more high heat pitchers today, but they certainly had plenty back then too. And all the pitches used today were used back then as well. Everything being thrown today has been thrown for over 100 years. Nothing new under the sun. Nolan Ryan didn't have all this BS players have today and he had arguably the fastest fastball ever and certainly the most consistent throughout a game. A full game, not pulled after 100 pitches. The first time Ryan's ball was measured by radar they took the measurement about 10 feet from home plate. It was 101mph 10 feet from the plate. Today they measure out of the hand. If they had measured Ryan's like that he would have clocked an absolutely absurd 108 mph. I don't know anyone that's got 108 mph fastball today. And Ryan was an old school player. Played in the late 60s. Didn't have all this BS that makes people think these players today are so much better than other eras. If anything, the fact that these players can't produce much better results than previous eras should tell you the opposite. Why don't we see 120 mph fastballs today if they're so much better? They have all this technology and aren't producing any better. In alot of cases their production is worse. They have national parade when Judge hits 62 HRs. If he's so much better and a "modern" athlete, shouldn't 62 homeruns be nothing for him? He should have 62 by June the way these people go on and on about how much better today's athletes are than previous eras. Seems that they're not better, they're actually worse, they have all this technology and produce the same numbers that have always been produced. This tells me they need these performance aids to be as good as previous eras. Babe done what he done hung over, with a belly full of hotdogs and a bad case of the crabs. Easy shit for The GOAT.
....... Of course they had high heat when Babe played.
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Thank you. I get sick of seeing people disrespecting the accomplishments of players like Babe Ruth because they have this fantasy in their head that everyone sucked back then. Babe hit 500 ft homers regularly. Nobody today is hitting further than that or hitting them with regularity. We don't see 650 ft homeruns today so what makes people think these players are so much stronger? Nobody will ever accomplish what the Babe was able to accomplish in the time frame that he accomplished it. They can drink all the protein shakes and take all the steroids they want to, they won't touch him. He is the GOAT. Nobody will ever touch Ryans strike out record. They can't even see 27 batters a game, let alone play 27 years. Ryan had a game where he threw 235 pitches while throwing 95-100 mph. Who the hell today can do that? Nobody........Hell, Babe Ruth had a 14 inning start as a pitcher when he was in Boston that ended in a 2-1 win. Who the hell can do that today? NOBODY......Nobody will ever touch Joe DiMaggios hit streak. It ain't happening. All the training, all the time and money spent training and these players can only dream of a hit streak like that.
Watch the 1960 WS where Mantle hit a 450 ft bomb opposite field. Nobody today is doing that. If one of these current "modern" athletes muster one 10 feet over the wall opposite field they all oooo and ahhhh about it 😂 All the training and technology and they can't do what a man done 60 years ago that didn't even have a batting glove. People need to GTFOH with that nonsense.
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He liked to party 🥳 😂 Can you blame him? He was Mickey Mantle 😂😂
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For me personally, the only player I've ever seen that I thought could give Ruth a run for his money was Bo Jackson. If he stays healthy perhaps he becomes The GOAT? He certainly had the power. Watch his 3 at bat 3 hr performance at Yankees Stadium. That 2nd HR was opposite field 500 ft. It hit the damn sign. That was a Ruthlike shot. Pure raw, unbelievable power. He stepped out and manhandled it 500 ft. Only 2 players can do something like that. Babe and Bo. And Bo played before all this analytics and nutritionist BS too.
Confirmed by who? Racist sportswriters of the day who would exaggerate, sensationalize, make up urban legends and tall tales to try to support the white supremacy/superiority doctrine of the era and write and say ANYTHING to sell newspapers and magazines! Can't run LIES and BS on scholars and historians! 🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅
greatest player to ever play or ever will
Babe Ruth would be a dominant stud in any era. This is a silly conversation.
The Babe would not only be the best baseball player today, he'd eat Joey Chestnut under the table in hot-dog-eating contests.
Yup, The Babe would dunk his buns in beer instead of water.
Ruth said he won a fart contest once. Ate “a lot of beer and limburger.” True story.
Babe Ruth would be the homerun& derby contest 🏆 champion& hotdogs eating champion 🏆 Joey chestnut would've come in second in hotdogs eating co test
If Babe was around today, he wouldn't be living unhealthy. Better diet, and exercise would surely be part of his routine. Regardless, Babe is the GOAT. Peers are peers. It would be like Judge hitting 120HRs to everyone else's 40.
Babe will always be talked about, that is why he is the best ever
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Best ever? How the hell do you "Lick the boots and Sniff the poots" of a player you NEVER SAW play one inning, game, or season!? Oh, so this is what ongoing, generational white supremacy and RACISM is all about? Gotcha!
@@keithleverette8235 my hero
The Babe would dominate and amaze the modern public if he were in MLB now.
No one talks about his eyesite. His ability to see the ball and to take a 2 step jig and swing and hit the ball 500feet high and 400 feet deep was amazing to people.
The Babe was one of a kind....A BALLPLAYER
Stole bases? He was thrown out more than he was successful!
Babe would absolutely, positively dominate today. As is. No PEDs, no weight training, no nutrition expert.
In todays league, he wouldn’t even be competitive in double a.
@@keithleverette8235 Babe Ruth stole home ten times. He stole 2nd, and then 3rd in the 1921 World Series. He was hyper aggressive on the bases. He hit 136 triples, stretching many doubles with aggressive running to a triple. He was a lean, muscular 6'2' 198 lbs for almost a decade.
@@tranquilo7566He was caught stealing as much as he was successful! Wait a minute, there are several seasons where his caught stealing stats couldn't be found? BS!!! He was caught more than he succeeded and against weak-armed catchers, not cannon-like and rifle-armed of those since integration! 🤣😂😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😅
There will never ever be a baseball player like the 'bambino!'
Babe Ruth was pounding distant homeruns in THE DEAD BALL ERA! The ball was hand-stitched, stuffed with rags with no core. He was hitting homers not juiced on steroids ..but juiced on beer! He was tanked! Or fresh from an overnight bender. Face it...the man was playing damned near handicapped...AND HE WAS THAT GOOD!
Amen.
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Lies about blast , he pulled the ball over right field fences 300 feet down the line
Were you there seeing these bombs ! , papers would put anything cause back then there was nothing ,,,, owners saved baseball not babe for profit , no integrity like basketball football or hockey
Babe today would be like thome at best
@@tlouandtherest4378 when you take into account the inferior equipment of the day, bigger Ballparks like the Polo Grounds, and no Roids....he was as good or better than any.
Babe ruth would chew up current major league pitching ( baseball) like peace of streak & candy;
People have an unrealistic view of Babe Ruth as an athlete. Most of the footage the see of Ruth was from the end of his career when he was sporting a pot belly. In his prime and for most of his career he was a well built athlete with odd thin legs. Look at his photos from his early to mid career and he is not just some fat guy who could hit. 6’2” and 215 lb is actually pretty trim. That’s what Ruth played at most of his career.
If you look at the advantages of today vs the disadvantages of his day it’s pretty much a wash. Ruth may not have been as dominant as he was in his day because no one in baseball has been that dominant against his competition, before or since in baseball but he would still be a dominant player. The margin just might not have been so large.
But Dan’s right. What matters is how you did against the competition of your time and no American athlete was as dominant for as long a stretch as Babe Ruth was.
I said back in 2,000 when ESPN did their greatest Athlete of the Century if they chose Jordan over Ruth it was just recency bias and a sham. His Airness was great but he didn’t dominate like Ruth did. No one has.
He wasn't even the best B ball player. The GOAT was Wilt Chamberlain who could bench 440 lb
The Babe wasn't "word of mouth".
He was and still is the greatest statistical baseball player to ever play the game.
What people fail to understand is that in era from 1870 to 1930, baseball was THE sport. Everyone played it all the time. My uncles played it. My aunts played it. The level of skill for even “semi-pro” home town teams was off the charts. Whatever scientific improvements have been made in training or fitness was simply out- matched by the sheer volume of play and players. To get to the MLB in that era, you had to be truly gifted. The only thing at question is pitching velocity, and it was probably far better then than people now want to admit.
there were few if any pitchers back in ruth's day hitting triple digits as there are todays. pitching velocity has gotten faster..and there is nothing the hitters can do to give them more time at the plate... hitting is indeed harder in todays game..
You're right but it takes a bit more analysis to reach any conclusions (which I'm not going to do!). Yes, a higher percentage of the population played baseball back then, so you're going to capture more of the top athletes.
Today, many of the best athletes are siphoned off to other sports, depriving baseball of many elite athletes. On the other hand, there's a much larger population to draw from, and better training and nutrition. It'd be interesting to see someone tackle the analysis (they probably have somewhere). I'd bet heavily on today's players being objectively better.
Yep.He is the best ever.
Owners saved baseball
They brought right field fence in to 300 feet giving pull hitters grace
Bigger fields overall allowed bloop hits bloating players averages
Baseball lied to fill the seats
Babe was made great for money more than righteous
Integrity flees with constant dimensions of parks tampered and altered with unlike hockey football and basketball having solid integrity
Lopsided numbers , Ted 71 triples 24 stolen bases , Rickey 66 triples 1406 stolen bases ,,, Integrity vs money and money ruled not integrity , honesty or truth
That 210-215lbs Babe Ruth had to be when he first started. He is visibly much thinner. They probably never updated it.
He did get to about 240lbs at his max. That was the famous story about his manager making him get in shape or throwing him off the team. Babe had to get that gut down in the late 20's... When he started though, he was not 215. He was a thinner teenager who pitched all the time. You see pictures of the 1916 Babe Ruth , he's 190 lbs or so max. He looked like an ordinary pitcher.
Ruth is the best ever. He would kill it out there.
Ruth would be more dominant today. Any era comparison is done by dominance over your peers. The '20s parks were massive. Yankee stadium; 490 to center. 5 of 8 AL parks were 468+ ft. In 1921 Ruth hit 59 hrs; he out-homered every other TEAM in the American League. (That's hitting 310 hrs today). He set major league records in HRs, runs (177), RBIs (168), .512 OBP, .846 SLG%, 1.359 OPS, walks (170), extra-base hits (119), total bases (457), times on base (353) and runs created (229). Modern era is far easier for a hitter; jacked balls, 5-6.00 era pitchers, low mounds, strike zone 1/5 the size, no spitballs, no fastballs at the head. 1920s, no helmet or pads. Bonds era, he wore football pads to the plate, the strike zone was tiny, the size of catchers mitt, and no bean balls allowed. Ruth hit 255 hrs 450 ft, 51 over 500. Bonds had 3 go 450 ft pre-roids. Bonds is a 15 HR guy in those gigantic 1920s stadiums. With his weak arm, a benchwarmer.
I think people forget that in general, baseball was a much more ruthless sport back then. Also, Ruth lived on whiskey, cigarettes and poor nutrition. add in the more contemporary sport science of training, nutrition, and supplementation… that would likely take his game to another level by itself
They threw spit ball's, could scuff the ball to get more movement and still threw 90 mph pitches. Fences were farther. Of course he would dominate.
farther my ass, 295 in right field in yankee stadium, and ruth pulled most of his homers. And almost noone threw 90mph, gtfoh lol.
Yes and no
Parks were bigger allowing a few more dozen hits giving players bloated averages
Owners saved baseball by bringing in the fence to a high school level 300 feet ideal for pull hitters
Today babe would had been no better than thome
@@tlouandtherest4378 lmfao
Lmao they didn’t throw that had mfs were lucky to throw in the mid 80s back then
@alien observer no they didnt lmaooo who tf told u that
These players could not handle Babe.
The guy was hitting 550 foot home runs drunk. He would do just fine.
No one has hit a 550 foot hr
@@brannonkelley8147 So true.
@@brannonkelley8147 The longest ever RECORDED was Mark McGwire's 538 foot blast that was hit off of Randy Johnson with the help of roids 💉
He supposedly hit many and one more than 700 feet easily
Maybe a couple of times
Short fences down the line after WW1 to bring the fans , owners saved baseball
After babe other hitters started hitting homers too proof
Reggie must of hit 2000 outs 315 feet all would had been homers than
All players before 1970 had bloated averages too with bigger fields getting dozens of extra hits every year
Ted with 71 triples 24 stolen bases yet Rickey got 66 triples and 1406 stolen bases
Cobb was the goat before 1950 and Willie after 1950
Babe was a bum and 50% homers were 310 feet , they exaggerate his accomplishments with his bloated stats for ticket sales , owners were into profits not integrity
Ted Williams was the biggest fraud today and would had been no better than Jeff Kent today at most
If I had to guess, Babe Ruth today would remind me of Kyle Schwarber lefty uppercut swing but with the quickness and bat speed through the zone (just like Bonds) numbers and power of Yordan Alvarez. He’d be a classic DH/1B in his older years and LF when he was younger. His attributes in MLB The Show as a LF were solid as can be. He even had better speed when he was younger too.
The Babe had amazing strength and hand eye coordination. He could dominate as a hitter and pitcher in any era.
Absolutely, anyone that doesn't know this doesn't have a clue what they're talking about. It came naturally to him. He didn't even have to try.
Lies again? God Hijab Grab Harvard
Babe Ruth was a baseball ⚾️ hitting wizard would've chew current baseball ⚾️ pitcher like 🍬 🍬 candy
Ruth made short films between the 1931 and 1932 seasons. They were basically instructional for kids. They are on UA-cam. He even demonstrates how to throw a knuckleball. His shape is a bit odd but not really fat. He even demonstrates how to slide.
Babe would eat these pathetic nothings for breakfast.
Babe faced no one who can throw 92
@@dylancoolbaugh4166 Yeah he did. Walter Johnson, Smokey Joe Wood, Lefty Grove, Grover Alexander, Ed Walsh, and other.Get your head outta your ass, alright?
Not even the best player of his era
@@dylancoolbaugh4166 my guy. Walter Johnson was tested at 99.7 mph in 1914. And he faced a spitball. And screwballs.
You have to remember the best athletes played professional baseball. There was no NBA or NFL back then. So your top cream of the crop athletes were playing baseball. In addition, you also had a situation where there were no night games. You still had the spitball around until 1920 and then it was grandfathered for about another 10 years. So there are a lot of factors to consider. Is it the same game now it’s a different game but would Ruth or Cobb ultimately dominate in today’s game? I would say yes. They would adapt and thrive.
I'm glad I scrolled and found your post, I was going to state the same point.
Ruth would big time dominate today.
Dominate the hot dog stand
Also they wore WOOL jerseys
One small fact. Live ball was introduced in 1914. In the dead ball era, teams played little ball through the while lineup. After the live ball was introduced, teams continued to play little ball for several years. Ruth introduced the home run as something to play for. Within a couple of years, the game got the idea and other players were putting on HR totals in the 30s and 40s.
The live ball was introduced in 1920.
@@davemeckfessel1296 No, 1914. Sports historians understandably call the era through 1919 the dead ball era based on the style of play, which was what we call today little ball. The new baseball itself was introduced in 1914, and, some say, perhaps earlier. The terminology may be confusing, but the facts are not.
The Ray Chapman Beaning, which killed him in 1920. Beginning in the 1921 season, spitballs became illegal. Additionally fans were no longer to sit in centerfield obscuring the batters sight of a pitched ball.
He could and would thrive.Bigtime
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Yes,he would.He would kill these chumps today.
he would get killed today lmao.
@@my2l No he would not. He would play better.
Ruth would massacre this pitching they have now. Easily, he would dominate.
Lol
lmao you dumbass, ruth wouldn't touch 100mph today.
And he never struck out more than 93 times in a season.
Take out the 50 oz. bat, the hardened wood that big leaguers use, factor that into his bat speed, and much tighter seams on the ball. Oh btw, drop the mound too. 1000+ sound right. Still the best hr to ab ratio.
He did not swing a 52 ounce bat. more like 42 for a while, then 36. In today's game he would go for lighter bats. His exit velocity was measured (from film) at 115+, which is elite.
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He used a 50 oz bat and actually holds the record for the heaviest bat ever used in game at 54 oz.
In his book he says he knocked an ounce off his bats every year, he had a bunch of bats made up every season, hickory or ash, but it started off around 48 ounces. The book is called Babe Ruths Book of Baseball
Babe dominated in games vs the Negro League and Japan too. His numbers were even better against those leagues.
The "Babe" pitched five games during his 15-season tenure with the New York Yankees (1920-1934), and won all five of them!! Fact. "The Babe" was the BEST! "BABE" RUTH will always be the greatest baseball player of all time.....
The Babe hit the ball over the roofs of stadiums. The end.
Babe's stats were insane during a time where....
1.The baseballs used during this time were not as tightly wound and would become soft and dirty during play, meaning you couldn't hit them as far.
2. The ball parks were larger back then they are today. Some center fields were well over 400 feet from home plate, with some even exceeding 500 feet.
3. Rules favored pitchers over hitters
4. Because of that pitchers had a much easier time and did things that are illegal in the modern day
Babe Ruth with modern conditioning and diet would totally dominate today. And on PEDS, I can only imagine.
The greatest MLB player ever. Period.
Atg's are atg's, regardless.
Ruth would be even more dominate today.
He is the best ever. He would decimate.
The modern era is not good as the old
Agreed.
Babe played against the best in the world. They weren't playing baseball in Venezuela or the Dominican Republic or Asia back in the 1910's and 1920's. Put Babe on the same strength and conditioning program today's players on and he'd be AWESOME!
The Babe is the GOAT. End of story
Goat likes hot dogs , today equal to thome if that
Lots of players today like burgers tacos and other fast foods. When their playing days are over and they get dad bods their blood pressure gets higher they start eating healthier.
I think he still would have been at the top of the league. People say his swing was too "busy" and too slow. That is because pitchers back then had to pitch 9 innings and so they only threw full power in key moments. Because of the lower velocity Ruth was able to use a very heavy 50+ oz bat with the goal of hitting for distance. The extra movement in his swing was him creating angular momentum in the the heavy bat so that it was easier to have the bat at full speed by the arrival of the ball.
Ruth had to be very smart and adaptable to be the best. If he lived today he would be smart and he would adapt to the game. He would use a lighter bat and tighten up his swing mechanics to keep up with pitch speed. The increased pitch velocity would cause the ball to rebound off his bat faster, making up for the power loss of him using a lighter bat.
Ruth was an effing physicist of baseball hitting science. On top of that he was an amazing physical specimen! And to be a top hitter you have to be a scholar of pitching!
Whatta STUPID question!! Of course he could. If you have the God given talent to hit balls that far, and often, then you have it in any era. One thing about Ruth not many apparently know; he won 20 games in a season two years in a row, and led the A.L. in ERA one year as a pitcher!!! NOBODY IN ANY ERA EVER pitched and hit BOTH to that degree. EVER. So if he couldn't hit today, he do it with his arm, instead. Greatest baseball player in MLB history.....
Clean Barry Bonds? So you mean Mike Trout?
Mike Trout will never even sniff bonds steals or defensive ability.
@Kent Horvath Well no he's not an 'AMAZING defender.' If he is then why hasn't he won the Gold Glove Award yet?
Mike trout got one hit
@@Jiff321 Trout is a significantly better baserunner than Bonds was. In the years prior to no longer being an effective baserunner, Bonds was worth 38 BsR in 2296 games. Trout has already produced 60.6 BsR in 1252 games.
The ball parks were much bigger back then. Also, Babe Ruth used a very heavy bat, 50 ounces at one time which compare to todays 35 ounces People have picked his bat up and could not believe it. Todays youth have an automatic bias against yesterdays players. I look at every decade.
Ruth used a 42 ounce bat for most of his career.
He only used a bat that heavy during batting practice! Most of his game bats were 42-44 ounces! FACTS!!!
@@keithleverette8235 I have a friend who has a game used bat given to him by Ruth. It was HEAVY. FACT!!!! I bet you are like most young fans who only like to give credit to your era players. Someday Michael Jordan of the NBA will be "dished" because he was from years ago. It is normal for most fans to be loyal to their era. Please don't send me a response because you "might" have been wrong about your info. I will not even read it because you might have been "but" hurt.
@@alanmerritts, I've been a student, scholar, and historian of this game since the '60's, even saw Williams hit his final season in old Tiger Stadium! I have a library and memorabilia on MLB and the Negro Leagues! Don't care what your Dementia and Alzheimers friend has, Ruth didn't use 50+ oz bats in any recorded games! That could only occur if pitchers of his era were throwing no faster than 60-70 mph! If that was their top speed, plenty batters used heavier lumber! No chance WHATSOEVER in more modern times, 90mph+ fastballs, not even Samson or Hercules could pull that off with ANY SUCCESS!
@@keithleverette8235 I am also a student of the game and nearly 70. Since you know more than the players with played with him, I will let you win. Maybe now you will not bad mouth everyone who does not bow to you. How a good life but leave me out of it. Find someone else.
Of course he could.
Could today's game survive the Babe? THAT'S the question!
Lol
@M There are more 3rd world countries and developing nations than civilized ones. That is all you've proven.
And by the way -- there are only 195 recognized nations on earth at this time. So your 240 number is bull shitt
Yes he would he would dominate
They might actually get someone to watch a game if he showed up. Joke league today, Babe would shit on these players.
The Bambino played in humungous parks, 460-480 to center, sometimes more. A ball traveling inside the foul poles, which he inspired out of necessity, but landed outside the baseline was considered foul. I know someone has probably added some of those up. It's got to be over a hundred.
Ruth 6-2, 195 lbs. as a pitcher and was the best athlete in the world before putting on weight in NY.
Don’t forget, even though there was no integration back then, there were only 16 MLB teams. Also, most of the video of a heavy Ruth were from the later part of his career.
There are 4 billion more people. And the game is now global. So competition is much greater today.
a VERY good analysis!!
Ball parks were huge back then. they avg 400+ feet at shortest part of outfield fence. The ball was also a softer which made it harder to hit further and also decreased velocity a lil. Pitchers were also allowed to throw spitballs etc which is not allowed anymore as its considered an advantage for the pitchers. PED juiced Mark Mcgwire also tried to swing Ruths bat at HOF and said no way he could use that bat. It was 2-3 three times as heavy as the bats now.
His swing is being overlooked
One thing people refuse to consider is the success of players who crossed over from one era to another. Their games held up Ty Cobb started out early in the 20th Century and played into the 1920s. Ted Williams and Stan Musial both came up before World War II and both played effectively into the 1960s. The postulated dropoff between eras and pre- and post- integration just is not observed. Eventually, you have to yield to fact.
Babe Ruth had prodigious power and his power would play today. In today's game, he would be a prodigious home run hitter. I don't think he would ever hit .393 or win a batting title even once in today's game though.
Basketball and football didn't change the size of the playing field. Fences should be far back like they use to. It was harder to hit HR's then flat out, he would dominate no argument to be had.
True and false
Owners saved baseball putting fences down the line to 300 feet allowing pull hitters advantage ,,,
Big ass fields have hitters dozens of extra bloop hits bloating their average
Today babe couldn’t had kept up with thome , , , Baseballs deception and lie of the past where profits matter not integrity
Babe Ruth still holds the record for the longest pitched game in World Series competition. 14 innings pitched. I think he won it.
Ruth would dominate more today then he did then.Everyone was major league caliber then.Today it is watered down wusses.
He would had dominated the hot dog stands the same , otherwise a thome type at best
fun to talk about but impossible to really know.
He would totally dominate today.
You’re on drugs.
Hit more home runs than teams did. If he was brought up today, he would kill. If you just put him at bat at age 30, he might have problems with the curve, and slider.
He rather go back to being dead than play against the great National Leaguers of the '50's, '60's, and '70's! And against today's 'smoke/heat', he'd rather open up a barbershop than face failure!
@@keithleverette8235 wrong
beating your peers is important, dominating your peers is really the key to all time greatness...
Common ty cobb was not far away of ruth (a better hitter although babe was looking for the hr and ty for the hit) and lou was amazing also
Babe Ruth's first 5 seasons were spent mostly as a pitcher and in the dead ball era.. now if he had batted and let's say averaged 20 home runs the first five seasons that would put him at 814 HR's.. No PED's, the travel conditions were horrible, they played all year around in barnstorming leagues, the baseballs weren't wound as tight as they are today, the fields were longer, the bats weren't as good then as they are today and the pitching WOW, this was a era dominated by pitchers, they could throw spit balls and any other kind of ball back then, no batting helmets, your head was totally exposed.. The Babe is the King and people should show him way more respect.
But I won't disrespect Dan Patrick because he's absolutely right. Greatness, in this case, must be measured relative to The Babe's dominance against his competition vs. the dominance of other players in any other era because the game of baseball has changed to the point that the vast majority of the starting pitchers in Ruth's time, as they were in the teens and the twenties, would be too small, weak and/or inferior to pitch in the majors today.
Babe Ruth is probably my favorite athlete of all time, though obviously that's based on reading about him. But he'd be shocked facing modern 6'5" pitchers throwing 95+.
Pitchers back then had advantages in their favor though. The ball parks were bigger and the balls were softer, so it was MUCH harder to hit home runs.
@@BazookaIke And the strike zone extended from the knee up to the shoulder back in that era. A significantly larger strike zone.
@@fredkruse9444 i think if you put Ruth on the modern regimen of training and diet, along with all the science of hitting, he'd be even more dangerous. But yeah if you pluck him out of his era and put him in there against Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, etc. he is going to struggle a bit at first. You know what though? Even the modern players would struggle against them.
@@BazookaIke Yeah, I'm only describing the "plucking" scenario.
FYI, the spit ball was banned in 1920 but anyone throwing it at the time it was banned could continue to throw it. The last legal spit ball was thrown by Burleigh Grimes in 1934.
Babe.
The greatest of all times.
If the Babe grew up in modern times, and had the same ambitions, yes he would have surely dominated today. He was The Babe
If he had been allowed to win MVP each year, he might have made MVP 5-8 times depending on a few variables. If he were alive today, he might not have had such poor nutrition; I think he could do pretty well today.
He'd definitely be a Hall of Fame caliber player but I don't believe his numbers would be the same .
Of course if everything was like it was after 47 the Cy Young Award would probably be called the Satchel Paige Award .
MLB missed so many great players because of segregation .
All records in Cooperstown should be based as both leagues count as MLB .
@@romeoalpha68 The general level of the Negro League, however, was Double A. With integration, some of the white major leaguers would have been back in Triple A or even out of baseball. Most of the Negro Leagues players would have been in the minors or out of baseball. For another thing, although there were good pitchers in the Negro League, pitching was not the forte of the Negro Leagues game. Integration would not have changed the caliber of the pitching Babe Ruth or any other white major leaguer had to face that much. The increase in the quality of the position players would not have affected Ruth's hitting. He didn't bat against position players.
Yes he could be a very important player today!!!! Dominate yes!
Ruth swung a 41 once bat back then and still got around on the ball. Todays players swing a much lighter bat, I think 34 ounce. Ruth didn't look strong, but he was.
Integration WOULD have made some difference, but before we go too crazy about that point, you should probably look up how many black MLB pitchers have managed to make their way into the HOF in the 70+ years since baseball integrated. And the number born in the U.S. is even smaller.
integration includes Hispanics and Asians you dunce
The Babe took Satchel Paige deep in a barnstorming game according to Buck O’Neil who saw it happen.
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And Satchel had a low 100s fastball. Pure smoke......
Hank Aaron didn't play back when Ruth did, but he had a 23-year career where his game held up well throughout.
The Babe would have thrived in any ERA. With today's training and a "clean" lifestyle, he would have been a BEAST!!!
The athletics are not as good as the older generation. In.baseball
If he was born in the modern era, then YES. Eye hand co-ordination cannot be taught.
Yes of course he would.
Ruth would dominate today!! What’s wrong with everyone?
Pitchers threw in the mid 80's then. Who knows if he could catch a 102 mph fastball
Bill Poole What??? There were 17 pitchers that could hit 95 back then and Babe faced 16 of them and hit a homer off of 14 of them. Don’t mess with me and Babe Ruth stats. I’ve been a fan of his for 37 years..since I was 3. I know every little thing about the guy. What’s true and not true. Meaning...if you don’t know the facts...SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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@@pooleb80 walter Johnson tested at 99.7 mph in 1914. He caught up to that
Ronald Aiello Ruth’s stats are juiced because whole races of people were banned from the sport
Babe was a phenomenon then and would be today.
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As Bill Burr said " Ruth played in a beer league"
Put Babe on the crap that Barry Bonds used.
Hmm... someone should do a simulation of that.
The Babe could but Jackie Robinson couldn't!!!! Retire #3!!!!!
He would be training like everyone else, so he would be producing like he did back in the twenties.
Different era... extremely different eras...but if babe ruth was born in our time his childhood and upbringing would have been very different...every unique player adapts to the times they are in
I think the Babe could still be one of the greatest today’s hitter providing today’s training please you could have him as a permanent dh. We really don’t know the Babe’s exit speed of his homeruns were. I believe he probably could had exit speeds at the unreachable 140 mph with his raw strength and today’s training and workouts.
Ruth could have easily expanded his career as a DH in today's game as Mantle could have, and just hit the ball, where he thrived.
And he just DH if had too
Proof it!!!
i think dan is over looking how bane ruth’s swing was different then most hitters and how his stance lead to baseball players not crossing their legs as they swing
Give ruth todays training and technology and if he took it seriously im guessing he would be pretty darn good.
Was Satchel Page around in the Ruth days? I thought he was a little later, no?
A 50oz bat?? That's just crazy. Barry Bonds used a toothpick compared to that.
Ruth would still be dominant. The guy was swinging a tree trunk back then. Give him a 34 oz bat and modern training and the Babe would hit 75 hrs a year.
Lol no he wouldn't
75?
More like a hundred a year.
@James for Safe Streets @James for Safe Streets What a mother of a task. Either pitch to Babe Ruth or to Gehrig. And I thought it was tough for teams to face Griffey and then Edgar.
Haha ur delusional af u he played against scrubs ground rule doubles back then counted as home runs he played in small ballparks including the polo grounds where right field was only 258 FT also used an illegal bat he called Betsy that was made of four different woods put together
Modern day could not handle Ruth. Not then, not now. He was by far the most prolific home run hitter of all time. He would make mince meat out of today's game.
When they brought the right field fence in all pull hitters started hitting homers
Reggie back then would had 1000s of homers playing in a school yard , down the line at least
Owners saved baseball not babe
Today babe would be no more than a chris chambliss at best
Now in yankee stadium it’s at 314 so to give babe more credibility
Cobb could had hit today Mays too , babe 250 275 25 30 homers the bum and that’s with a 50 ounce bat
Babe Ruth would murder modern baseball ⚾️; knock cover off baseball ⚾️ if babe Ruth played at Belle isle on baseball ⚾️ field knock ⚾️ baseball o
In detroit river with 🐟 fishes
Ruth would do fine today ...he was a Natural ...#timeless ⚾️⚾️⚾️🎯
Today pitchers are not faster they do not last after six innings
Best ever period
Hot dog eating contest , that’s about it
No nutrition? Meat and potatoes and vegetables not as good as Hoffman's peanut butter protein bars and Gatorade?
Food was BETTER in those days. No preservatives or artificial colors or junk chemicals
i think the babe would be a god today and hit 100 homers..easy
He played baseball from the age of 7 years old every day of his life until he went into the major leagues you have to factor in how much practice he got in his life. If you don’t practice, you’ll never be any good at anything. He was 6 ft 3 It’s all relative.
Honestly under the context of what they said that the beginning? If resurrected in his Prime, with all the knowledge of his whole career? And given maybe two years to train? That includes all modern amenities of nutrition plans, PEDS, training methods, best equipment, and time to study the game?
Uh hell yeah Babe Ruth would dominate?? Players live like gods compared to what they were living like in the 1900-1940s when Babe was playing.
And same context, any pro player and take them back to that era? With lack of nutrition, rapid transportation, recovery methods, modern equipment? Yeah I dont think they'd be as good as they were in the Modern Era.
I doubt Ruth would dominate the way he did then but he would be elite. He had supreme baseball skills. He invented the modern hitting game. He instinctively understood launch angles, exit velocity (115mph+) and the importance of OBP. He averaged 133 walks a season. One analyst looked in detail at a season when he had 170 walks. 80 were intentional. HIs Slugging and OPS % were off the charts. He only averaged 86 strikeouts a season (pro rated 162 games)and never broke 100. Today his floor would be Bryce Harper. his ceiling, probably Albert Pujols.
Babe Ruth couldn't make a high school junior varsity baseball team in this day and age.
@@scottdykema5385 Exit velocity 115 mph + 133 BB per season, incredible eye, knew instinctively about launch angles, knew the strike zone and his strengths because he had been an elite pitcher, Dominated the sport with archaic equipment. 1/3 of all the months he played he had double digit HR Ruth had supreme baseball skills that would translate into any era, especially with modern diet, training and equipment. Would swing a lighter bat. Want to see Ruth today? A combination of Kyle Schwarber (upper body strength in arms, shoulders, upper body) and Bryce Harper, (body coil and hitting consistency). Bat quickness, power and speed are eerily similar to both- Schwarber has been compared to Ruth but Ruth did Schwarber's best month after month, year after year. Ruth was also an incredibly clutch, high leverage situation player, not like the wretched post season Bonds. Ruth would not dominate the modern game he INVENTED. No one has , not Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Williams, you name it, but to suggest his elite skills would not translate is beyond ignorant. Floor-Harper Ceiling -Pujols Both going to the HOF And Ruth was an elite pitcher who would have won the Cy Young in 1916 and beat Walter Johnson 6 out of 8 times.
@@kenkaplan3654 115 mph you say? Not sure where you got that, considering radar hadn't been invented. And the 133 BBs? Yea, pitchers really sucked back then, but how much skill does it take to earn an intentional walk? Elite pitcher? Have you seen his comical throwing motion and delivery? To be an elite pitcher, you need to face elite hitters, not the farmboys and bar brawlers Ruth pitched to. If you want to compare Babe Ruth to todays athletes, look no further than a softball beer league.
@@kenkaplan3654 it's so funny how naive people are about big bats. The fact is, the lighter the bat, the more bat speed you generate and the more power you create. The only way Ruth could use such a big bat is because pitching was so slow. He could never hit a 90 mph fastball with that tree. Nutrition, coaching, development have all advanced to a level unimaginable in 1920. To compare a player of that era, to a modern trained and skilled professional in this day is border line ludicrous. Ruths number are a direct product of his era, not some super athlete before his time. He played against farmboys, clerks, bankers, hobos, anyone who could spend time playing a game. Most, including Ruth, smoked and drank heavily, pitchers threw complete games, even on consecutive days, and often, including Ruth, nursing hangovers. If your not familiar with the talent, hardwork and dedication it takes to compete these days, your not paying attention or giving respect to what modern athletes go through. Btw, baseball wasn't integrated during Ruths playing days. He may not even the best player of his era.
@@scottdykema5385 They have this thing called modern technology that extrapolates from film. Other than that i have no more interest in discussing this with you.
I could be wrong, but I believe it's only been en vogue in baseball to work out/train in the last 30 years. I believe that came with the LaRussa era A's of the late 80's when they had a team full of monsters who all heavily trained..which lead to the 90's era of PED's. Hell, I think Keith Hernandez used to smoke cigs in the dugout in the 70's and 80's and nobody cared before that.
Philly had a dedicated strength coach in the 70's.