This take is so off the mark it is crazy - there is still enough complexity to the spec to have a reasonable floor and ceiling. Moreover, virtually nobody wants the hard cast of elemental blast over the instacast of earth shock and the mobility the latter affords
This makes me want to play shaman even more. Long gone are the days I cared about rotations. Give me something simple that does big damage quickly and easily so I can pay attention to the absurd number or boss and M+ mechanics.
@Akatsuk1Tobi most of the people complaining never played ele shaman in shadowlands and it shows. EVERYONE was complaining how hard ele shaman was then because of convolusion, spell weaving and reflex style play all in one.
@@Ratatoeskrrr I might prefer a dish(spec) with less sauce(buttons) and you might prefer a dish with more sauce but it doesn't mean one should taste(perform) better than another since it's only person preference. At the end of the day, we're just looking to fuel our bodies(interact with and overcome encounters and their mechanics) so as long as we're checking off that box, everything else is just personal preference. I do think mechanical difficulty when it comes to encounters should reward players accordingly but a spec's difficulty should not reward the player with more or less DPS since it's only the vehicle for interacting with an encounter.
Blizzard- "We've learned alot about listening to the players" Also Blizzard "We know you guys are giving us positive feedback about the Ele changes but we're gonna take it away and force you back into a turret playstyle"
11:23 You actually have to track your rolling thunder and stormkeeper pretty closely because you always need to have enough malestrom to earthshock > into stormbringer lightning, or in the case of stormkeeper... stormkeeper > earthshock > lightning > earthshock > lightning Personally I wish they got rid of the whole Lightning OR Fire dichotomy and just focused the spec tree on making you feel like a master of all elements. Shaman aren't mages, they shouldn't be single element focused; they should be a synergy of various elements. They should start with throwing Ascendance into the garbage and using those nodes to create synergies.
They used to be that way in shadowlands. They were very convoluted and the rotation combined with the weaving and reflex playstyle made it difficult to play and even harder to master. You had to be a die hard shaman fan to play it and make it work.
@@SymbolicLogic24 Doesn't need to be convoluted or complex, just buffing "Master of the Elements" to the point of being numerically superior to spamming Lightning would be enough to introduce lava burst back into the ST rotation as a means of buffing Earth Shock
@@SymbolicLogic24 You only use lava burst w/ primordial per the sims. Technically you also use it in your opener w/ farseer. Other than that you only use Lava Surge procs for situations when your mobile. So no, I'm playing it right. Maybe your information is outdated.
@brandoncomer6492 I'd be curious what your damage profile looks like then because if you're going strictly off sims then you're leaving a lot of damage off the table.
One this about lava burst is that lava burst isn't used to buff spenders. It's only just to consume Pwave. But because of MotE, you will always do Pwave > Insta cast Lava Burst via Ancestral Swiftness > Earth Shock. If you're about to overcap, it is better to just send a naked Earth Shock instead of doing Lava Burst > Earth Shock.
Nah I like current ele, even liked lava burst ele, they’re just both infinitely better than the shitshow of a lightning +icefury +master of elements fuckery that we had in the first iteration of ele shaman in DF
the problem now stems from the fact they nerfed the shit out of maelstrom generation so you spend 80% of your globals on builders now. they need to make builders do less dmg, gen more mael, and make spenders do more dmg. also we need a huge buff to icefury bc its not taken in any build right now. i think they messed up by keeping the storm and fire elementals a choice node when they were trying to make ele sham an element weaving spec, it just divides the builds you can make into either fire or lightning builds... just combine them into a maelstrom ele or be able to summon both!! that way storm and fire builds become less separate
I mained ele in Legion, and this thunder build reminds me that build so much. So I am happy and gonna main ele again. Hate the meatball playstile. Same for feral druid, my old main and new alter.
Really? Ive been playing ele and dont find it boring at all. Maybe thats bcuz i am coming from playing hunter and paladin which are easiest classes to play.
@@nickgman3592 I think a lot of these content creators that literally play the game 40+ hours a week for a living lose perspective. Your average player is already cognitively saturated with the sheer complexity of encounter design these days, when you add in a complex rotation it can become overwhelming. A good mix of rotational complexity between specs so players can find something that works for them is probably a good thing. Shaman already have one of the most rotationally complex specs in the game with Enhancement.
@@brandoncomer6492 I wholeheartedly agree with most of what you say, except I think every spec should have a viable rotationally simpler version (allowed by talent choices). By viable, I mean not significantly worst in tuning and performance than their more complex counterparts. I don’t think there is a good reason to think that a spec fantasy and aesthetic should be locked behind a specific level of rotational complexity. Having an easy option in each class could be seen as a good compromise, but in the long run it’s not enough. Let’s say I really dig the lore of being a Shadow priest, why do I have to put up with the extremely convoluted gameplay? Same goes for enhance or any complex spec. I think class and spec gameplay design in this game is simply half-assed and not given the importance it deserves. Devs are overwhelmed by the complexity of talents and spells and they are forced to deliver one version of gameplay for every spec, and when it sucks, in can stay like that for a looooong time. There is simply not enough development time, ressources, and people allocated to class design and balance tuning. Its a huge waste of potential. That combined with their insistance on making and keeping the game highly complex to cater to pro players, content creators, and no lifes makes it infuriatingly frustrating in my opinion.
I'm actually OK w/ Elemental being a relatively simple spec, if there is any game in the spell I'd be OK with spamming, it's chain lightning. Although I do think they should buff "Master of the Elements" to push Lava Burst back into the rotation as a means of buffing finishers. That would give it a little flavor. It gives you a chiller alternative to the complexity of Enhancement.
Yeah, this would be the perfect change. I have been loving elemental both Stormbringer and Farseer, but it DOES feel bad mostly ignoring your lava surge procs. In the single target raid build you’re supposed to cast LB multiple times in the opener, but outside of that it’s rarely pressed.
No one has any issues with you playing elemental the way it is - we don't care. We just don't want to see turbo brain dead specs as the most performant one. Which is what happened literally hours after the video was out : blizz nerfed elemental as they obviously should have.
I enjoy ele atm, since most specs have waaaay to many stuff to track and conditions that feel a bit too much for me since i dont have that much time to invest into the game anymore, but, if i could ask for a change would be for it to be worth pressing LvB before every Earthshock/Earthquake, just with that bit it would feel a little bit more dynamic.
To each their own I guess. I came back to play Elemental Shaman in DF after a few years away from WoW. The rotation felt absolutely insane. For a commoner like me, I needed add-ons to help me understand the “if this then that” needs of hitting all my spells in an ever changing order to hit decent DPS numbers. It felt like we needed the T31 tier set to make this more manageable and straightforward. So far I’ve been playing comfortably in TWW and I’m finally happy playing my main without having my brain melt. (It feels odd saying this because it feels like some members of the community liked the previous way ele played, which doesn’t compute for me.) I do agree that lightning bolt spam is a touch boring, but I’m glad that I know how to play my character now. The reworks we are getting in 11.0.5 seem to address some of these issues and may add just the slightest bit more variety back enough to be the best of both worlds.
I personally always preferred the "thunder god" elemental shaman to the lava surge spec for some reason. Visually the lightning spec is one of the best in the game for me. Gameplay wise it's still fun. Having a lot of lava surges go of was OK visually and some people seem to prefer that gameplay but I found it more boring.
I think we have a very different view of the perceived simplicity in m+. You still need to track spells and procs, you still need to play in a way that's requires you to pay attention. The spec having lower cd's makes everything faster. Which in turn also makes the decision making harder and more varied and complex. The floor and ceiling of ele in m+ will be huge. Even in raid while the rotation is much more simple, you can still lose a ton of damage by not playing correctly, especially since we've lost do much mobility
Simple/easy specs are fine. Habing a "master of the elements" just hard casting a single element spell and ignoring lots of the rest of your spec theme just sucks
Nah, I vastly prefer lightning to meatballs if simply for the visual appeal alone. I rather like the AoE rotation of this build. It just feels good while letting you focus on the eleven billion other things going on in M+
The problem elemental has, IMO Is an extremely weird way os scaling with atributes. When you press lava burst it does not mater how much crit you have. When you press spells that cant overload, it does not matter your mastery
You can't look at sims and say like "you will have storm elemental up 99% of the time" in realistic situations like m+ you will have down times when you aren't casting anything, or you have to move, interrupt, use a gcd on cc, etc.
People always say they enjoy it but if they turn the meters off they will realise its a boring af spec.. Just wait till Ele gets another 10-15% nerf and these people who find it "fun" will realise they just found it fun to be OP with a 1 button rotation.
@rando44 that is s good point. I think since ele shaman is my off spec for a 3rd alt....I like that I can pick it back up easily, but if I main it and it gets nerfed it might be too simple. But then I play hunter....:)
@@brandoncomer6492 Not seeing fire mages despite it being fun to play doesn't mean that they don't like the spec anymore at all. It just means people are playing something else to stay competitive. How do you know that they do not wish fire was stronger so they can play it again ? No logic in what you said, just sophism. Completely false that the same is true for all specs.
@@Kemyo0 the point was that whether something is complex is irrelevant to how much it's played, furthermore "boring" specs like BM, Ret, and Fury are easily the most popular specs in the game... even when they underperform.
yeah idk i mained ele for 7 years and from what i hear and what ive experienced i think most eles are saying this is the most fun ele has been maybe ever and personally i think its really fun too lava burst in aoe has felt so bad for so long because it revolves around so many conditionals and using flame shock which is the most annoying ability in the entire kit
Yeah but the ooomph you get from a lightning or lightning rod or that one single lb you do after pw, is much better than the ‘hhhhfffsssshhh’ cobra shot does or the ‘rawr’ of kill command. Thanks but I’ll take lightning god over kitty snake class any day
I wanted to main shaman for this expansion, had a good time lvling as enh. At the end i decided to lvl last two levels as Ele and it was so horribly boring , with ascendence being rather a chore than CD that i want to pop, I rerolled mage and never going back, because i know that if at any point of xpac eng falls off and im forced to Ele - this is it.
@SymbolicLogic24 assault and sub are quite difficult. Outlaw is easier than people claim. But rogue isn't a ranged spec.. I assumed we were talking about ranged. And your point about rogue doesn't dispute my point that mage isn't one of the easiest specs/ranged specs. It's literally one of if not the most difficult ranged spec. Name a ranged spec more difficult/complex than fire or arcane
@JohnSmith-h8u oh, you just made a blanket statement about hardest spec in the game so I figured all classes were on the table. I'd say Aug is up there with fire/arcane. It's easy to pick up like with fire/arcane but hard to master for it's own reasons. There's a night/day difference between a casual Aug player and a experienced one who knows what he's doing. Much like with fire/arcane
@@superbrobor6458 I don't know how the f my comment went to you and not the other guy - i must have confused you and him because you both have an orange profile picture. Apologies this wasn't meant for you.
How are going to make a 15 minute video talking about how boring the ele shaman gameplay is, when you literally started your video by dementrating your clear lack of knowledge on how to play elemental shaman? Watching you pull that first mob, and followimg mobs, was enough for me to give you a downvote and close the video. Please dont talk about things you clearly dont understand.
@@JohnSmith-h8u that’s a HORRIBLE comparison, you can fucking compare apples and mechanical cogwheels if that’s the case, don’t make excuses for that fuckery LMAO
@@JohnSmith-h8u this has ZERO to do with top down ARPGs, Diablo, POE - and it doesn’t even make sense? There’s plenty of mechanics in Diablo and your builds involve a ton of interactions too, stupid asf comment
You people complaining are hilarious. I remember maining a ele shaman in shadowlands and EVERYONE was complaining that it was too hard and not enough damage because of convolusion, weaving and reflex playstyle making it known as the carpal tunnel class. I made it work and did really good damage as you were rewarded for actually knowing the class. Now that they made it easier you people are complaining that its boring or ascendancy is too hard. Just shut up and go play hunter.
my mum complained that i wasnt eating enough food. now that i eat 20 big macs a day and all the food out of her fridge she still complains. maybe i should just drink beer instead
lmao there’s a difference between it being made easier and it becoming a literal one button spec. when ele gets an aura nerf it’s gonna be funny how a bunch of people abandon it because it was never fun to begin with but rather it just produced OP numbers with minimal effort
This take is so off the mark it is crazy - there is still enough complexity to the spec to have a reasonable floor and ceiling. Moreover, virtually nobody wants the hard cast of elemental blast over the instacast of earth shock and the mobility the latter affords
I agree completely with you. I think Ele Shaman is one of if not the most complex dps in the game.
@@Milo3o3not anymore it’s not.
Movement over dps increase any day for me
Disagree. The fire iteration was a lot more fun.
@@rubmywrinklzdd3354 Considering they made arcane mage wayyyy easier i personally think it is.
This makes me want to play shaman even more. Long gone are the days I cared about rotations. Give me something simple that does big damage quickly and easily so I can pay attention to the absurd number or boss and M+ mechanics.
exactly... i dont get why we cant have just a couple simple specs...
@Akatsuk1Tobi most of the people complaining never played ele shaman in shadowlands and it shows. EVERYONE was complaining how hard ele shaman was then because of convolusion, spell weaving and reflex style play all in one.
@@Ratatoeskrrr I might prefer a dish(spec) with less sauce(buttons) and you might prefer a dish with more sauce but it doesn't mean one should taste(perform) better than another since it's only person preference. At the end of the day, we're just looking to fuel our bodies(interact with and overcome encounters and their mechanics) so as long as we're checking off that box, everything else is just personal preference.
I do think mechanical difficulty when it comes to encounters should reward players accordingly but a spec's difficulty should not reward the player with more or less DPS since it's only the vehicle for interacting with an encounter.
Oh no the Beast Master players are rerolling
I know, right?
I don't need to press 20 buttons, we need some specs to be simpler.
Blizzard- "We've learned alot about listening to the players"
Also Blizzard "We know you guys are giving us positive feedback about the Ele changes but we're gonna take it away and force you back into a turret playstyle"
Easy specs are a good thing.
Facts omg, no one wants a sweaty game, we all just wanna pump and have fun
Then play bm or balance
Nah man I only want 5000 people playing this game!
@@quantumpoptart And ret and ele.
Easy specs beign the best DPS in the game is not a good thing tho, they should nerf them another 10%.
11:23 You actually have to track your rolling thunder and stormkeeper pretty closely because you always need to have enough malestrom to earthshock > into stormbringer lightning, or in the case of stormkeeper... stormkeeper > earthshock > lightning > earthshock > lightning
Personally I wish they got rid of the whole Lightning OR Fire dichotomy and just focused the spec tree on making you feel like a master of all elements. Shaman aren't mages, they shouldn't be single element focused; they should be a synergy of various elements. They should start with throwing Ascendance into the garbage and using those nodes to create synergies.
They used to be that way in shadowlands. They were very convoluted and the rotation combined with the weaving and reflex playstyle made it difficult to play and even harder to master. You had to be a die hard shaman fan to play it and make it work.
@@SymbolicLogic24 Doesn't need to be convoluted or complex, just buffing "Master of the Elements" to the point of being numerically superior to spamming Lightning would be enough to introduce lava burst back into the ST rotation as a means of buffing Earth Shock
@@brandoncomer6492if lava burst isn't in your rotation especially on the hybrid spec then you're not playing it right.
@@SymbolicLogic24 You only use lava burst w/ primordial per the sims. Technically you also use it in your opener w/ farseer. Other than that you only use Lava Surge procs for situations when your mobile. So no, I'm playing it right. Maybe your information is outdated.
@brandoncomer6492 I'd be curious what your damage profile looks like then because if you're going strictly off sims then you're leaving a lot of damage off the table.
I can finally play shaman now. I do not like meatballs
You should see the new lava burst animation. You will change your mind
We are all 30+ years old now. Nobody wants a 10 button rotation while doing mechanics...
Death, taxes, and Izen complaining about everything…
Nobody wants to play the DF s1 version of ele tracking 20 mini buffs, plate spinning shit show. No, this is fine how it is.
"Plate spinning shit show" is apt
The new play style is so much better it’s not even close.. I feel like a fucking Sith Lord
One this about lava burst is that lava burst isn't used to buff spenders. It's only just to consume Pwave. But because of MotE, you will always do Pwave > Insta cast Lava Burst via Ancestral Swiftness > Earth Shock. If you're about to overcap, it is better to just send a naked Earth Shock instead of doing Lava Burst > Earth Shock.
Nah I like current ele, even liked lava burst ele, they’re just both infinitely better than the shitshow of a lightning +icefury +master of elements fuckery that we had in the first iteration of ele shaman in DF
the problem now stems from the fact they nerfed the shit out of maelstrom generation so you spend 80% of your globals on builders now. they need to make builders do less dmg, gen more mael, and make spenders do more dmg. also we need a huge buff to icefury bc its not taken in any build right now.
i think they messed up by keeping the storm and fire elementals a choice node when they were trying to make ele sham an element weaving spec, it just divides the builds you can make into either fire or lightning builds... just combine them into a maelstrom ele or be able to summon both!! that way storm and fire builds become less separate
Thx for bringing awareness to this problem Izen. I fully agree
This isn't a problem. It is your opinion. I love it
I mained ele in Legion, and this thunder build reminds me that build so much. So I am happy and gonna main ele again. Hate the meatball playstile. Same for feral druid, my old main and new alter.
Really? Ive been playing ele and dont find it boring at all. Maybe thats bcuz i am coming from playing hunter and paladin which are easiest classes to play.
@@nickgman3592 I think a lot of these content creators that literally play the game 40+ hours a week for a living lose perspective. Your average player is already cognitively saturated with the sheer complexity of encounter design these days, when you add in a complex rotation it can become overwhelming. A good mix of rotational complexity between specs so players can find something that works for them is probably a good thing. Shaman already have one of the most rotationally complex specs in the game with Enhancement.
@@brandoncomer6492 I wholeheartedly agree with most of what you say, except I think every spec should have a viable rotationally simpler version (allowed by talent choices). By viable, I mean not significantly worst in tuning and performance than their more complex counterparts. I don’t think there is a good reason to think that a spec fantasy and aesthetic should be locked behind a specific level of rotational complexity. Having an easy option in each class could be seen as a good compromise, but in the long run it’s not enough. Let’s say I really dig the lore of being a Shadow priest, why do I have to put up with the extremely convoluted gameplay? Same goes for enhance or any complex spec. I think class and spec gameplay design in this game is simply half-assed and not given the importance it deserves. Devs are overwhelmed by the complexity of talents and spells and they are forced to deliver one version of gameplay for every spec, and when it sucks, in can stay like that for a looooong time. There is simply not enough development time, ressources, and people allocated to class design and balance tuning. Its a huge waste of potential. That combined with their insistance on making and keeping the game highly complex to cater to pro players, content creators, and no lifes makes it infuriatingly frustrating in my opinion.
I'm actually OK w/ Elemental being a relatively simple spec, if there is any game in the spell I'd be OK with spamming, it's chain lightning. Although I do think they should buff "Master of the Elements" to push Lava Burst back into the rotation as a means of buffing finishers. That would give it a little flavor.
It gives you a chiller alternative to the complexity of Enhancement.
Yeah, this would be the perfect change. I have been loving elemental both Stormbringer and Farseer, but it DOES feel bad mostly ignoring your lava surge procs. In the single target raid build you’re supposed to cast LB multiple times in the opener, but outside of that it’s rarely pressed.
No one has any issues with you playing elemental the way it is - we don't care.
We just don't want to see turbo brain dead specs as the most performant one. Which is what happened literally hours after the video was out : blizz nerfed elemental as they obviously should have.
@@Kemyo0 why do you care? In what way precisely does it hurt you?
Wtf are you on? Elemental feels amazing
I enjoy ele atm, since most specs have waaaay to many stuff to track and conditions that feel a bit too much for me since i dont have that much time to invest into the game anymore, but, if i could ask for a change would be for it to be worth pressing LvB before every Earthshock/Earthquake, just with that bit it would feel a little bit more dynamic.
I like the relative simplicity for pushing keys. Similar to ret paladin last expansion.
To each their own I guess. I came back to play Elemental Shaman in DF after a few years away from WoW. The rotation felt absolutely insane. For a commoner like me, I needed add-ons to help me understand the “if this then that” needs of hitting all my spells in an ever changing order to hit decent DPS numbers. It felt like we needed the T31 tier set to make this more manageable and straightforward.
So far I’ve been playing comfortably in TWW and I’m finally happy playing my main without having my brain melt. (It feels odd saying this because it feels like some members of the community liked the previous way ele played, which doesn’t compute for me.)
I do agree that lightning bolt spam is a touch boring, but I’m glad that I know how to play my character now. The reworks we are getting in 11.0.5 seem to address some of these issues and may add just the slightest bit more variety back enough to be the best of both worlds.
I personally always preferred the "thunder god" elemental shaman to the lava surge spec for some reason. Visually the lightning spec is one of the best in the game for me. Gameplay wise it's still fun. Having a lot of lava surges go of was OK visually and some people seem to prefer that gameplay but I found it more boring.
I think we have a very different view of the perceived simplicity in m+. You still need to track spells and procs, you still need to play in a way that's requires you to pay attention. The spec having lower cd's makes everything faster. Which in turn also makes the decision making harder and more varied and complex. The floor and ceiling of ele in m+ will be huge. Even in raid while the rotation is much more simple, you can still lose a ton of damage by not playing correctly, especially since we've lost do much mobility
That second castbar gave me serious brain damage 💀
Simple/easy specs are fine. Habing a "master of the elements" just hard casting a single element spell and ignoring lots of the rest of your spec theme just sucks
The meatball spam build was better than what it is now. It's so bad I went prot pally main this tier.
Prot pally main? Lol good luck getting into high keys.
Nah, I vastly prefer lightning to meatballs if simply for the visual appeal alone.
I rather like the AoE rotation of this build. It just feels good while letting you focus on the eleven billion other things going on in M+
@@SymbolicLogic24so we should all play only 5 classes then ?
@@Papakakadu nope. Play what you want. But don't be complaining when it's harder to get into other people's keys if you run m+
@@SymbolicLogic24lmao some of the top tanks are maining prot pally again this season. blizz has a weird habit of shadowbuffing prot pally
Any recommendations regarding the most recent nerf we received: All damage done reduced %6
The problem elemental has, IMO
Is an extremely weird way os scaling with atributes.
When you press lava burst it does not mater how much crit you have.
When you press spells that cant overload, it does not matter your mastery
You can't look at sims and say like "you will have storm elemental up 99% of the time" in realistic situations like m+ you will have down times when you aren't casting anything, or you have to move, interrupt, use a gcd on cc, etc.
Shaman is very good I love mine as my main but sometimes it feels clunky af ngl
Elemental shaman right now is my favorite, I just wish it had slightly more depth in rotation and single target damage
Yeah same, I feel it misses some interesting choices you can make and its a bit too simple rn
I don't mind the simplicity. I know that some people like complexity but it has been enjoyable to me
People always say they enjoy it but if they turn the meters off they will realise its a boring af spec.. Just wait till Ele gets another 10-15% nerf and these people who find it "fun" will realise they just found it fun to be OP with a 1 button rotation.
@rando44 that is s good point. I think since ele shaman is my off spec for a 3rd alt....I like that I can pick it back up easily, but if I main it and it gets nerfed it might be too simple. But then I play hunter....:)
@@rando44 the same is true of any spec. I haven't seen a single fire mage in the last month and that spec is super fun to play.
@@brandoncomer6492 Not seeing fire mages despite it being fun to play doesn't mean that they don't like the spec anymore at all. It just means people are playing something else to stay competitive. How do you know that they do not wish fire was stronger so they can play it again ?
No logic in what you said, just sophism. Completely false that the same is true for all specs.
@@Kemyo0 the point was that whether something is complex is irrelevant to how much it's played, furthermore "boring" specs like BM, Ret, and Fury are easily the most popular specs in the game... even when they underperform.
yeah idk i mained ele for 7 years and from what i hear and what ive experienced i think most eles are saying this is the most fun ele has been maybe ever and personally i think its really fun too lava burst in aoe has felt so bad for so long because it revolves around so many conditionals and using flame shock which is the most annoying ability in the entire kit
the its easy as bm is a damn dumb take tbh
tracking tempest and rolling thunder to not overlap/cap itself isnt easy
Some people like simple specs. That is why they are playing BM hunter or holy priest.
easy specs should do less damge. you get out what you put in.
Hi, what is your Addon that shows damage on the right please
It's called details
Nah its very good. The easy setup and tracking is a good change for once.
I just hope it does not always stay like this.
hello and thank you for all the work done, could you tell me what is the addon used for the text combat on the right side?
So what's wrong with there being specs like this in the game? Simpler classes let bad players focus more on not messing up mechanics.
Yeah but the ooomph you get from a lightning or lightning rod or that one single lb you do after pw, is much better than the ‘hhhhfffsssshhh’ cobra shot does or the ‘rawr’ of kill command.
Thanks but I’ll take lightning god over kitty snake class any day
I play Elemental Shaman and this video got me confused, why are we ignoring the passives?
I generally agree with you but not on this one. There is a low floor with Ele but a very high and maybe the highest ceiling of all dps in Elemental.
Ele gameplay Is awesome Chain lightning all day baby!
Nah, this take is cooked af. It's a subjective niche elitist take that 95% or more of the shamans don't share
Balistreri Groves
I very much enjoy the feeling of emperor palpatine. please don't generalize personal feelings on the spec as the communities.
I wanted to main shaman for this expansion, had a good time lvling as enh. At the end i decided to lvl last two levels as Ele and it was so horribly boring , with ascendence being rather a chore than CD that i want to pop, I rerolled mage and never going back, because i know that if at any point of xpac eng falls off and im forced to Ele - this is it.
How you gonna play mage and complain about ele being boring. Mage is one of the easier classes to play.
@@SymbolicLogic24 frost mage is. arcane and fire are 2 of the most difficult... fire is arguably the hardest spec in the game
@JohnSmith-h8u fire definitely not the hardest. That would go to the rogue.
@SymbolicLogic24 assault and sub are quite difficult. Outlaw is easier than people claim.
But rogue isn't a ranged spec.. I assumed we were talking about ranged.
And your point about rogue doesn't dispute my point that mage isn't one of the easiest specs/ranged specs. It's literally one of if not the most difficult ranged spec. Name a ranged spec more difficult/complex than fire or arcane
@JohnSmith-h8u oh, you just made a blanket statement about hardest spec in the game so I figured all classes were on the table. I'd say Aug is up there with fire/arcane. It's easy to pick up like with fire/arcane but hard to master for it's own reasons. There's a night/day difference between a casual Aug player and a experienced one who knows what he's doing. Much like with fire/arcane
what is that ui man ? castbar over your weakaura. party frame size for blind ppl :D nah ele is good now
Lightning ele is best ele
Hunter MM gaming
Still not bad
Maybe just be happy with the fact your class is good, instead of trying to shoot yourself in the foot by having it fixed now.
for me it just feels bad to play.
This. I want it like enhance piano build. So fun having it feel like work.
It feels terrible to play to anyone who doesn't have a physical or mental disability.
@@Kemyo0 Then just play Enhancement. They made a spec for people that dislike video games and need fake complexity because they suck IRL.
@@superbrobor6458 I don't know how the f my comment went to you and not the other guy - i must have confused you and him because you both have an orange profile picture.
Apologies this wasn't meant for you.
How are going to make a 15 minute video talking about how boring the ele shaman gameplay is, when you literally started your video by dementrating your clear lack of knowledge on how to play elemental shaman? Watching you pull that first mob, and followimg mobs, was enough for me to give you a downvote and close the video.
Please dont talk about things you clearly dont understand.
give us meatballs back please bliz
Frost mage probably has a worse playstyle than Elemental Shaman at the moment.
Just bring back the meatballs
Now you either spam lightning bolt or chain lightning. Ele shaman needs a full rework
Hard disagree
No leave us alone plz
I wish blizz made mechanics in their Diablo games like PoE did in theirs.
What the fuck does that have to do with this video?
@@jad3636 both blizzard games and both are regarding simplicity/complexity
@@JohnSmith-h8u that’s a HORRIBLE comparison, you can fucking compare apples and mechanical cogwheels if that’s the case, don’t make excuses for that fuckery LMAO
@@JohnSmith-h8u this has ZERO to do with top down ARPGs, Diablo, POE - and it doesn’t even make sense? There’s plenty of mechanics in Diablo and your builds involve a ton of interactions too, stupid asf comment
You people complaining are hilarious. I remember maining a ele shaman in shadowlands and EVERYONE was complaining that it was too hard and not enough damage because of convolusion, weaving and reflex playstyle making it known as the carpal tunnel class. I made it work and did really good damage as you were rewarded for actually knowing the class.
Now that they made it easier you people are complaining that its boring or ascendancy is too hard. Just shut up and go play hunter.
my mum complained that i wasnt eating enough food. now that i eat 20 big macs a day and all the food out of her fridge she still complains. maybe i should just drink beer instead
lmao there’s a difference between it being made easier and it becoming a literal one button spec. when ele gets an aura nerf it’s gonna be funny how a bunch of people abandon it because it was never fun to begin with but rather it just produced OP numbers with minimal effort
Why lie?
Man I hope blizz sees this. Playing ele us so frikn boring. Numbers are good but jeez. Haven't had a super good rotation since bfa I think.
Yeah they should make the rotation exactly how it was in shadowlands. Then you people would be crying all over the forums about how it's too hard.
@SymbolicLogic24 you already wrote your cry paragraph bro, we get it babyrage
@@Manzanahh yeah the crying would look something like what you wrote
@SymbolicLogic24 even the reply makes no sense, i broke your brain
@@Manzanahh that's because you don't have 2 brain cells.
I’m casual I love it leveling my shaman now
ITS SO FUCKING BORING. You think you want to spam one button but you don't trust me.
You'd be surprised how far horribly bad players are willing to go just to be competitive.