@@king_julian327 maybe its the fact that its true that makes it so good for me. ive seen many crime series and movies but i was never sleepless the night after, this one had a big impact
Missi Christensen that's just it though all they talked about was the animals. they only mentioned Jun Lin 3 times. they acted as if a human being hadn't been killed.
Louie Evans i didn't say anything about the title. the point is they acted like a human being murdered was second to the cats and they used it as a means to get the police interested and finally catch him. for the internet it was never about catching a murderer, it was about catching a cat killer. it was insensitive to Jun Lin and it's was disrespectful to his family. They didn't think of the repercussions that he had caused. they didn't think of his family when they made this documentary and if they did shame on them because Jun Lin and his family deserved better than what they got.
@James Bond I think that's kind of the point of the documentary though. People watch disturbing videos all the time, of bum fights, people being executed, burned alive, you name it, etc, and it just kind of gets overlooked somehow, as in there isn't a collective group of people that are going to hunt and find the people responsible for the videos, but the killing of cats triggered an obsession in these people to track this man down, (successfully I might add, so kudos to them, honestly) and that's where the story starts. The fact he killed a human isn't what triggered the search party. If you listen to what the guy in this interview says, I think he is hinting that finding people to give proper interview on Jun Lin was a tricky situation, as he's trying to make a movie about an internet search party that happens to involve real life crimes, and eventually real life murder while not focus too much on the "victim" aspect involved. It would be akin to them trying to track down where he got the cats from, their names, if any, and focusing on the cats themselves, it would make for a very long and drawn out movie that doesn't really fulfill the plot. The very unfortunate part of all of this is that the guy seemed to want notoriety, and now he will get it, but nobody can be blamed for that except for us.
Just one of my takeaways from this that I haven't seen many people mention, everyone keeps saying how "normal" and "polite" he seems in interactions. To me he seems robotic, disconnected, and apathetic. Very strange behavior, even looking at how he walks on the CCTV videos. He does not appear to be normal.
People aaalways go on about how killers were “charismatic” or “polite”, but when you see them, they look dead inside. Tbh I think people just use it as an excuse for not catching the criminal sooner
Even If the cops listened to them earlier. Jun lin would be alive but someone else would be dead. He wouldnt have gotten life in jail for killing those cats, and he would have eventually killed someone. Unfortunately he was so sick, there was no stopping him. He was gonna kill regardless. Crazy
Yup. That's why I'm irritated by the "sooner or later they'll move on to humans" argument. Killing helpless animals is bad enough. You don't need to justify prosecuting their killers by suggesting they'll inevitable escalate to humans.....except that they invariably do. Too bad Deanna and Co. probably got written off as overwrought cat ladies, if the law kept pace with contemporary developments in psychology, Magnotta would have been locked up a lot sooner and Jun Lin would still be alive.
End liberalism like the internet sleuths in ‘Don’t F with Cats’ there is only so much you can do. And even if you give the police all the evidence they need you can’t go any further. And people like Luka know that. They know you can’t take the law into your own hands, and the police need an actual crime they can get solid evidence from before they act.
He really got what he wanted, attention by doing a whole documentary about him. I feel sad about it because we always tend to put all our focus on the killer but forget about the victim on the way by only speaking and define him through the way he was murdered. May Jun Lin rest in peace 🥀
I think that the focus on the killer is not out of disrespect for the victim, but rather because the interest people have in these documentaries is looking into the mind of a killer and trying to understand why people do these horrible things to innocent people and understand what made them think innocent people deserve to die. I don’t think the documentary quite addressed Jun Lin and those that his death affected enough, however I think by exposing his killer and bringing to light his horrible death people begin to remember Jun Lin.
I get what you say but in my point of view the documentary doesn’t highlight him, it highlights the group of people that searched for him and all the officers work. Talking about him it’s a must because he committed the crimes, but at any moment they say “oh he did this and that what a smart guy, I’m impressed, he’s good at this” in fact the search team call him all kinds of things through all the documentary, even the people that believed him (not his mother obviously, that woman is delusional) like the attorney says how disgusted he was when he discovered the “basic instincts” thing after he believed Many was real. What it’s true is that the director can’t say “oh this is about Jun Lin” because that would be a lie. The only time they really took a moment to appreciate Jun Lin were the two minutes they gave him almost at the end. May he rest in peace❤️
The most unbelievable bit of this documentary was Baudi, a self proclaimed “internet geek” seeing a video named “1 guy 2 kittens” and thinking it’s a wholesome video. Anyone that’s been around for a while knows that title structure is anything but wholesome.
Jackalish 😂😂 I was so annoyed during those parts. Like the poster above said it’s probably for clarity for those watching but I felt like I was watching my grandmother try to work her computer.
"Are we complicit?" No, we're not. The killing didn't happen because of the attention that was given to him, it happened TO GET attention. Magnotta is a pathological narcissist who needs to have people talking about him, and he'll do whatever he must to gain that. If anything, you guys helped put him off the street. He killed because he's a malignant narcissist, not because the attention drove him to it.
Yeah, and that quote from Nietzsche isn't deep or perceptive, it's classic goth-kid-posting-from-the-folks-basement territory. Actual cops have to spend a lot of time online looking at s*** that makes them need eye bleach and a shower too, it doesn't make them complicit, it's an unfortunate occupational hazard of locking up perverts.
yes, i was thinking too that this was too general a judgment on people who watch stuff like true crime documentaries. certainly there are those who consume it as entertainment. i watch channels, like jcs or dr. todd grande, to understand the psychology/motivation behind such crimes, but I strongly reject this pop culture thing around serial killers. they shouldn't be made the center of attention. But I want to know how to recognize like a narcissist/ psychopath and how to act towards a person like that/ recognize the red flags without possibly becoming a victim. knowledge is key to development.
Huh, this is just the internet coming together to collectively try to solve a case. This is not new and is nowhere near anything you find on Black Mirror. How is vigilante justice similar to a horror story? Think you are confused.
All he wanted in life was to be famous and in movies. The fact that once he realized that wouldn’t happen, he then made his life the movie with actual real life victims and actions, and copying a movie almost to a T, that sounds like a black mirror episode to me
Angelica Lopez Everyone is entitled to their opinion. For me, the way they unraveled the ending was skillfully done. . . speaking from someone who works in the television industry, and is familiar as to what it takes to structure any TV series.
Luka also liked the movie "Scarface". I've seen a picture where luka has a shirt and on the back of the shirt he is wearing says "Scarface". In the movie there is a guy named Manny, and there is a guy named Frank Lopez. Luka said manny lopez so on not sure if he just made it up with the two names or got it from basic instinct.
I was actually scared last night lol woke up at 4am and turned on my tv and watched 50 first dates because I woke up thinking about him pretending someone else was responsible but it was all his own psychotic behaviour Made me feel uneasy and sad ( I watched it last night before bed and didn’t realize the impact it would have on me)
What has really upset me since watching this documentary is everyone’s fixation on the kittens. Was it upsetting to watch? Incredibly. Did it make me cry at parts? Yes. But we are also forgetting that we see an innocent man seconds before his brutal murder. Where is the respect Jun Lin? This documentary was the best crime documentary I have ever seen because it highlighted so many different areas about crime. The criminal psyche, the role of the internet and social media, the issues of jurisdiction and how we (as the public) react so differently to murders of animals and humans. Very interesting.
Amy Webster animals are innocent and pure. Humans are not, they know more and do more bad. Animals don’t do bad. Its the idea that any human is Evil enough to kill an innocent an animal for pleasure. Its sickening. For me, id rather watch someone kill a human in front of my eyes then an animal.
@@fashiondog888 I think a lot do because they see the title, see the first few minutes and dismiss it based on that thinking it's just about this animal abuser.
Jun Lin a man , a person , a human beeing with feelings , emotions , and a soft place in all of our hearts . None of us really knew him , but we knew that he was a man ... A good man . Thank you Netflix for sharing the story of a man . A man named Jun Lin
I hated the fact that his mother defended him so much knowing that he filmed those cat videos. The murder was just the tipping point for him. Absolutely disgusting.
It's obvious that she is one of the reasons why he became the way he is. She knew he had mental problems and she did nothing at all to give him some mental help. What mostly pisses me off about luka's mom is that she was shown the evidence of those disgusting videos, and yet she still defends him! I cannot stand parents who defend their criminal sons or daughters, they always say stuff like "no, my baby is innocent. My son or daughter would never do such things. All those haters have no right to see my baby as a monster." Etc. it's disgusting 😠
The end is heavy handed. I watched the docuseries for the internet sleuths. I was gripped to see what they were going to do next and how they did it. I left wanting to learn more about them, not the killer. So to accuse the audience of feeding into his ego, when Netflix literally put this series at the top of the page for everyone logging in to see, was out of nowhere and the wrong route to take and end it on. Cheapened the whole thing.
True! I had forgotten about that until I read this comment. I was like woah... why are they suddenly accusing ME? When all those Facebook people were the ones AT THE TIME constantly talking about him. I mean, maybe, just maybe, they were the very reason he ended up killing a man. After all, he did keep saying things like “I’m going to keep making movies for you all and if you like I’ll involve some real people soon”... We haven’t really done anything by watching it when Netflix is the one feeding his ego by making the whole thing and promoting it so much.
@@scarletmccluskey8529 Yes , that 1 last comment was heavy and an example of a major directing error. Why bring your viewers on a 3 episode ride ...a good one!.. slam the brakes and yell "idiots!"? Still a really good docu series.
Yeah. Its another form of being 'woke', a trend that has been plagueing society these days. Or it may also be Deanna just trying to make us feel what she felt, a misplaced guilt or rationalizing why such a bad thing happened or how it could have been prevented. Maybe its like a psychological thing where sometimes victim blame themselves for the things that went wrong, like they shouldve acted on a certain way, or did something, failing to realize that the perpetrator would have done vile things in other ways or circumstance regardless.
Breaks my heart too, but if you love your kitties, keep them inside. You know how many dogs off-leash kill kitties? How many psychos do this stuff? Keep them inside
Use your brains. The man is in prison for life and this was 7 years ago or summert. This only shows him for what he is and kind of shows of jun lin and what should be remembered.
Anton not only that he is living a good life in prison. He wears regular clothes, got married, gets on social media, leaves his room when he wants. Two slaps to the victims 🙄
Also I wish people like his sicko mom's would stop using bullying as an excuse I and others I know where extremely bullied I went to therapy over it I was bullied in my household and school attempted suicide yet in still never killed innocent people nor did I become a narcissist, nor did I try to shoot up my school. No excuses for this mess
I do agree that bullying won’t necessarily turn someone into a murderer. That said, bullying in schools is an issue that has still not be properly dealt with. A friend of mine has a daughter that is in 5th grade, and has been bulllied by the same group of girls for the last couple years. And it’s not just picking on her, it’s some sick shit. My friend had done everything she could; she’s gone to the principal and the school board, has talked to teachers and the bullies parents, etc. Nothing changed. She eventually had to move schools. And I’ve heard several similar stories to hers. It’s pathetic. And while a psycho it doesn’t necessarily create, it does give the psychos a boost and a target if they go over the edge.
@@SuperMelrose1 That's terrible! I can't understand the shortage of empathy and kindness. A lot of bullies probably grow up to be emotionally abusive in relationships, physically abusive, the type to scream at a teenage cashier for getting something wrong, making the kid scared. Kids don't deserve to be tormented and have their self esteem damaged or destroyed. The bullying issue, it seems to be getting worse instead of better.
If bullying turned us into killers at least a quarter of the population or more (including me) would be killers/serial killers. Like ma’am accept that your baby, child, son or however you want to call him is a psychopathic murderer. When she said he’s bisexual I was like “Don’t tell me that you’re gonna say something like: the frustration of his sexuality made him do it” My bisexual ass wouldn’t have handled that😂 thank god she didn’t say anything
I just watched the film. I had to watch it in small doses because it was so intense. Absolutely stunning. How frustrating for the people who knew this was going to escalate to humans and the authorities wouldn't listen. And even though the cat scenes were mercifully blurred and short, I couldn't watch. Just horrifying. And poor Mr. Lin. My heart goes out to his family.
So right! It is so frustrating when these things go on. You report it and people don't take it seriously, and people close to these individuals even cover it up instead of seeking help. Then you have the ones that support them because whether it is convenient for them or don't like 'troubles'. If one day, because their passively something happens, I hope they can't sleep!
thanks to all involved in the making of DFWC. It should win awards especially the editing and sound. DFWC and The Great Hack are my favourite documentaries of 2019. Well done!
this is so far the best documentary i've watched. I think it deserves much more than to be just a limited series, it never left my mind this week, id wake up in the middle of the night thinking of it. Im glad that justice was served for the poor cats and jun lin. Condolences 😢
Our system rewards this behavior, our economies reward psychopathy. Back in the Hunter gatherer days if a tribe felt a member showed signs of psychopathy, they'd kill them. Because they knew they'd be a risk to everyone else. But in today's world we literally reward these traits in people. Think about that.
@@jennyandersson6238 I didn't say our government rewarded this behaviour in mere working class people. Wall Street is full of psychopaths that never go behind bars for their crimes. The collapse in 2008 killed many people via suicide/poverty. Not one banker went to jail. Capitalism rewards this behaviour. Even doctors when tested tend to score high on having psychopathic traits, you have to have these traits in order to cut people open. Many tests have been done on that. Your average person would struggle to want to take a blade and slice someone open, even if it was for a job and totally legal. Don't get me wrong though, whilst on the topic of government rewarding psychopathy. It also takes psychopathic traits to kill people for oil and resources. Which is what people and governments do everyday. Especially in the US. War is a business now a trillion dollar business. If that's not rewarding evil, I don't know what is..
Jen Dark Energy 384400 yeah, rich people can do everything. Hollywood is full with pedophiles and other disgusting human beings, but just because their rich and have contact with other people like them nothing happeneds.
There are a lot of people defending him like, "There MUST be a Manny, we see two pairs of hands at the end of the 'movie.'" I don't know how, but I'm sure he planted it there somehow as a way to avoid responsibility. Notice how quick he pointed it out once his mom asked him why he did what he did. He's already thought of this. I know that "Manny" and his other accounts share similarities to his favorite movie, Basic Instinct; but it doesn't really disprove "Manny." It's circumstantial at best. What does kind of disprove it for me is the lack of phone records on the night of the murder, when he said Manny instructed him to do this. His demeanor does not match the behavior of a person who was forced to kill. Any normal person would definitely hesitate; and if they actually went through with it, they'd be fucked up after the fact. But he went on business as usual, cold with no remorse. Almost as if he's a person that has just committed murder in cold blood. Hmmm. Of course his mom wouldn't believes he's capable of this. It's unsettling to realize you've been living with a monster this whole time. And the people that say he's "too polite" to do something like this, it's because he's a coward. He preys on the most defenseless of things, knowing they can't fight back. When faced with almost anyone else, he can't have that same energy. His "kindness" is a result of him being very weak and insecure in social settings. He can't afford to be savage in real life. That's why he hides behind a computer, and targets little animals. Don't fall for this, when people say someone is not capable of such acts because he's either too "polite" or "he wouldn't do this kind of thing." You'd be surprised at how seemingly innocent people can act to hide something dark. Serial killers are disturbingly good at this and get off on it too. Calling Luka Magnotta a narcissist is an understatement. He might very well be delusional enough to believe that Manny is real. He's not the first murderer to blame it on the voices in his head. Don't fall for it again, there is a reason why criminals tend to not admit guilt. If they do this often and long enough, it starts to create doubt in people's heads. Take Wayne Bertram Williams for example. He did not admit to the Atlanta murders even when there was clear forensic evidence. He was just convicted for the murders of two men. Even to this day, there are people that defend him, saying he's innocent. That's exactly why they do this. For people to say, "He's already doing life. Why wouldn't he just admit to one more murder? Unless he really didn't do it." There are a lot of factors that motivate criminals do this. But for people that kill others for no reason, there are sometimes no reasons why sociopaths do what they do. They might just get off on that too. Creating doubt and inconsistency. Add chaos to order. Sometimes, you can't make sense of something senseless.
It’s really annoying that I keep seeing tweets saying things like “omg unanswered questions: whose hands were those!? who was manny!?” There were movie references planted by Luka the WHOLE way through the case, all of them were mentioned in the doc, did these people REALLY IGNORE the massive part where it was realised he was making a reference to his literal FAVOURITE FILM Basic Instinct, and the abusive character Manny. Did they actually just ignore that part? And the hands were 100% the snake handler/owner. Obviously. And also you’re so correct about the narcissism. He’s not just a casually self-obsessed person. He’s got the form of narcissism that’s a genuine mental illness. But I’m quite glad they didn’t discuss that / realise that he was mentally ill because I would have despised if he got put into a mental hospital instead of prison and got a better life. (Unless they pulled a Nurse Ratched and gave him a lobotomy forcing him to live the rest of his life completely braindead).
@@scarletmccluskey8529 People love to believe what they think is an interesting conspiracy theory. I put the blame on Netflix for glorifying "Manny" (and maybe mental illness) in order to force a discussion and get views. This is just legitimizing Luka's bullshit and enabling him to furthermore avoid responsibility. It's no surprise that Luka brought up "Manny" a year or so before the murder. Lots of killers fantasize about it long before it comes to fruition. But yes, the hands are the snake owner's, whose footage was used as a pawn to further Luka's agenda.
There was no Manny, Manny was from a film that he was copying the whole time no one forced him to do anything he just said that to try and get away with it he did it all himself he's seriously fucked up
0 subs With 0 vids you don’t see the cat being killed, they show the beginning of the video so you can see the cats and what the guy in the video looks like.. but that’s it
Yeah, this is sad but people are linked to animals more than human in every story where a pet and a human die, people are angry because of the pet and seems to forget the human. Pray for Lun Jin.
I think it's because.... as adults we make choices... as an adult he chose to hook up with Luka... it's devastating what happened to him and he didn't deserve that... but an animal is defensless... That's why people are more upset about the kittens...
Brilliant director. Sensitive with a clear view of what he wants to communicate, being very thoughtful and respectful to the subject as a whole. I have just watched the documentary. I am very sad for the parents... Thank you Mark Lewis.
i really wanted to see how his mother reacted to something like this just because of the fact that she was accusing the people who spent soo much time trying to find out who he is
It was just more or less a warning to her that he knew where she worked, He didn't actually take the video, it was just one he found on the web. It did cause her great concern though. It scared her pretty good.
I absolutely LOVED this documentary! I live in Ontario, Canada and this was HUGE! I remember seeing it all over the news, but I didn't really pay attention too much (new mom, new baby lol) When I realized who this was about, I was so angry!!!! I felt so bad for the ppl trying to find him and kept warning the police that he was going to end up killing someone and he did! And the end was perfect with a Baudi Moven said that maybe they pushed him, or gave him the perfect place, and that things should change...... we know it won't, but at least they understand it's needed! I loved when he made up the Karla Holmolka thing, that was a joke! Lol
If you see a child being abusive to small animals and other small kids, please take action. I am not saying all will be series killers when older. I needed to post this here to open people's eyes: I know a 9 years old child who has been abusing small animals and also small kids when he thought nobody was watching ( he has always been unsupervised outdoors from the age of 3/4) A neighbour approached him and asked if he did something to his cat (as several people witnessed him being abusive to cats), he admitted to him in front of his parents that he had torture and killed some cats ( also to mention that a cat was found killed at his doorstep a couple of years ago, of course it makes you think he did it, but we can't, as we havent seeing it) These parents turned it around and accused the man who the boy admitted to doing this things, saying that he was drunk and he was nasty to the boy. The man wasn't drunk, but probably angry or upset (and I wouldn't have blamed him!) the father knew the guy had a trouble because of alcohol in the past and used it against him, another neighbour, whose son ( much younger) was with the boy when was approached by this neighbour, defended the boy and boy's family because his son was scared, of course was scared, he was with him in at least one occasion when he did it, so he was afraid he could be in trouble as well, my question is how a parent allows a 4/5 years old play with a 8/9 years old?? Anyway, bottom line is that parents are responsible for these kids, they are kids at the end of the day, and if they really care for them, they should be seeking for help instead of being so defensive and try to cover it up. If not action is taken in time, we can imagine what the child would turn to when older.
It wasn't really about Luka Magnotta for me. It was about Jun Lin and all the people who helped to bring his killer to justice, and those who had seen the murder coming before it happened.
I watched this doco in one day and I will tell you it is truly very good. It is also dark and haunting that someone could do this. It was also truly fascinating how they were able to catch this guy.
WoW ! I just watch this documentary and Deanna and Tom are truly amazing people. The determination they had with ups and the downs to finding Lukas Magnotta was daunting. It felt the rabbit hole was just so so deep and never ending at times and to finally see Lukas Magnotta get captured was such an OMG Thank You moment. Thank you Deanna and Tom. Mark Miller you have made a well pieced together flim to explain this in documentary format to how Deanna and Tom hunted this horrid game of cat and mouse to find Lukas Magnotta.
Do more stories please cause it would not only help your show but also people on what to do and what not to do in theses situations and what to say or not to say when your around people like that 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾very brave and interesting and disturbing but also intriguing
They bullied a guy to death and a innocent guy was brutally killed in front of a Camera. I wish they showed them more respect in the doc. Overall a very good documentary but there was More respect given to the dead cats than the dead humans.
@@missg3188 ok he might have been drugged but like the heck you still feel it the cats were drowned and eaten he was stabbed dismembered and embarrassed on the internet with thousands maybe millions and we as humans we are more worried about the cats thats messed up oh and a puppy was pulled in and chewed on his limbs then the puppy was killed he was made to be a joke no one really laughs when it's a cat but when it's a man people laugh and its stupid
Excellent film and editing, an exploration on many levels, thought the finale was phenomenal and caring.. the song "my name is Luka, I live on the second floor, comes to mind. Look into the lyrics. Thank you M
He stopped being a victim when he decided to start causing harm. He felt very entitled from the start and he was the one who decided to go down this path...
After watching this docu series, I watched Jun Lin’s murder video , I wanted to know what happened and I didn’t think it was as bad as it was. It was extremely easy to find on the internet. If you are considering watching it to understand better or just to see what happened, please please don’t. I am traumatized from it. Some may say I’m dramatic but what is on that video is horrifying and has complicated me mentally forever
Luka said it was Manny/Emmanuel but I’m pretty sure he was just made up in his mind (due to the childhood trauma), but.... he admitted to lying about having mental illnesses. So.... you’re right. Who IS that second set of hands? ...
Look back at it...the hand looks fake as fuck, it's not normal, weird movements. Remember it's one hand only not two. It's stiff, and kind of fat. If that doesn't do it for you, baudi moving...deana? On her twitter said it was the python owners hand, who was unaware of what was going on. allegedly that was filmed prior to feeding the cat. I don't know though 100%.
I think Deana Thompson and John Green need to work for the FBI. They are absolutely brilliant. They (and the victim) were the crux of the story. The killer was a lunatic. He could have done worse. He is the only one to blame.
They ran into dead end after dead end. The only reason they got any information is because he was in the group and helping them catch himself. He told them there name and where he was staying multiple times. He caught himself. They didn't really do nothing except accusing the wrong guy and getting him to kill himself
How did everybody overlook the fact Luka Magnotta was dressed as Billy Loomis in the security footage of him taking Jun Lin into the apartment complex? “Now, Sid, don't you blame the movies; movies don't create psychos, movies make psychos more creative!” - Billy Loomis, Scream (1996)
these videos still exist. these people still have an audience. the fact that we are watching a documentary about it does not make us complicit… it makes us aware. the more people who know about it, the more likely it is to get shut down. and, granted, it most likely will never get shut down, however, we do have a higher chance is that happening if we know what’s going on. if we ignore these things and “don’t give them the attention they want” they will - like i said - STILL have an audience on the dark web. not giving them the attention doesn’t stop them, it only makes it easier to hide
Alice Price huh? wait I’ve had people telling my it’s twisted af, since I love cats and have one myself i don’t know if it will fuck me up more than I already am.... any thoughts?
Xan ッ they tell you about the videos but they never show you them. It is upsetting and I hugged my cats a lot after but it is very mind bending and it is more about the story of finding the guy the cats themselves
It was hard to watch the parts of the internet videos although you don’t really see anything, but it creates this picture in your head.. very very well done! Binged watched this in one evening and your story was very well told. I found the Facebook investigators work the most interesting. Very exciting and well done documentary!
A must watch documentary. Not for the faint hearted. Glad this monster is locked up. The irony is that they had to bring attention to the guy in order to catch him, which was what he wanted all along.
First I would like to give my condolences to the family of the victim Jun Lin, may he Rest in Peace. I have to say that I am so unbelievably angry that sick POS is actually enjoying his time in the pen!! He should be strung up by his testicles!! Please bring back Capital Punishment Canada!!!
The videos of the cats made me sob so much. I could hardly watch them but I kept on watching because the documentary was sooo interesting it was soo good.
Phoebe Durrant Luka ‘liked’ a video from her job . Not actually went in and recorded her . But i get what you mean and see why this question is getting asked a lot
Rest in Peace Jun Lin 🥀
Thank you. Lets make his name go viral.
@@Readzboox #ripjunlin
Yes. 💔
Rest in Peace Jun Lin ⭐
Rest easy Jun Lin 🙏❤️
That last scene where the jerk payed homage to Basic instict leg crossing scene with a cigarette.....blew my mind
Same here. The dude really played out a whole movie in real life at the cost of real life victims.
@@MrYondaime705 yeah, he should have met Tarantino before murdering people
a movie director couldn't write a script that brilliant and sick at the same time. its mind blowing. and inventing Manny just fits the whole thing
@@EasyBreezy41 Many directors could and even better.
@@king_julian327 maybe its the fact that its true that makes it so good for me. ive seen many crime series and movies but i was never sleepless the night after, this one had a big impact
The victim, his name was Jun Lin. Don't forget that.
And those innocent helpless animals.horrible horrible human being this sicko
Missi Christensen that's just it though all they talked about was the animals. they only mentioned Jun Lin 3 times. they acted as if a human being hadn't been killed.
3 cats were killed but only 1 human was killed.... So the title of the documentary was justified
Louie Evans i didn't say anything about the title. the point is they acted like a human being murdered was second to the cats and they used it as a means to get the police interested and finally catch him. for the internet it was never about catching a murderer, it was about catching a cat killer. it was insensitive to Jun Lin and it's was disrespectful to his family. They didn't think of the repercussions that he had caused. they didn't think of his family when they made this documentary and if they did shame on them because Jun Lin and his family deserved better than what they got.
@James Bond I think that's kind of the point of the documentary though. People watch disturbing videos all the time, of bum fights, people being executed, burned alive, you name it, etc, and it just kind of gets overlooked somehow, as in there isn't a collective group of people that are going to hunt and find the people responsible for the videos, but the killing of cats triggered an obsession in these people to track this man down, (successfully I might add, so kudos to them, honestly) and that's where the story starts. The fact he killed a human isn't what triggered the search party. If you listen to what the guy in this interview says, I think he is hinting that finding people to give proper interview on Jun Lin was a tricky situation, as he's trying to make a movie about an internet search party that happens to involve real life crimes, and eventually real life murder while not focus too much on the "victim" aspect involved. It would be akin to them trying to track down where he got the cats from, their names, if any, and focusing on the cats themselves, it would make for a very long and drawn out movie that doesn't really fulfill the plot. The very unfortunate part of all of this is that the guy seemed to want notoriety, and now he will get it, but nobody can be blamed for that except for us.
rip jun lin , you’re not talked about enough n you deserve more
Thank you!!!
Exactly
Netflix needs to make more series along these lines, so interesting . I watched the whole thing in 1 night
Me too
Same
Not just Netflix...the director that made this should cover more stories
I hope they make one on the Russian maniacs since Luka posted a link to the 3 boys 1 hammer video which means the kinda inspired him in a way
Same I was soooo scared but I had to get through it cause I love animals and I’m happy he got caught
Just one of my takeaways from this that I haven't seen many people mention, everyone keeps saying how "normal" and "polite" he seems in interactions. To me he seems robotic, disconnected, and apathetic. Very strange behavior, even looking at how he walks on the CCTV videos. He does not appear to be normal.
Yeah, it's bewildering to even hear people say he was charismatic.
(Or good looking)
Well you can see how people drank the koolaid with Jones or followed Koresh.
God yes! He's very clearly off in his mannerisms.
They just think that because his behavior doesn't seem to be threatening in any obvious way.
People aaalways go on about how killers were “charismatic” or “polite”, but when you see them, they look dead inside. Tbh I think people just use it as an excuse for not catching the criminal sooner
Only if police listened to these people before Jun Lin would still be here
What was his story?
Even If the cops listened to them earlier. Jun lin would be alive but someone else would be dead. He wouldnt have gotten life in jail for killing those cats, and he would have eventually killed someone. Unfortunately he was so sick, there was no stopping him. He was gonna kill regardless. Crazy
Yup. That's why I'm irritated by the "sooner or later they'll move on to humans" argument. Killing helpless animals is bad enough. You don't need to justify prosecuting their killers by suggesting they'll inevitable escalate to humans.....except that they invariably do. Too bad Deanna and Co. probably got written off as overwrought cat ladies, if the law kept pace with contemporary developments in psychology, Magnotta would have been locked up a lot sooner and Jun Lin would still be alive.
The cats too, they would have been here too
@@trichards39 where did you find this info? More detail please
This story has kept me up for days now.. Every part of it is so twisted.. and most of all I feel so sorry for Jun Lin and his family..
Alexandra Meijer 🙏
Did I Understand it wrong or did they forced someone to suicide after they shitstormed him?
Alexandra Meijer You are so right. Oh my god it is so haunting ☹️
Sickos like this exists and it really pisses me off.
Then get out there and do something besides eating tide pods kiddo, America has become a nation a talkers and no doers !
End liberalism like the internet sleuths in ‘Don’t F with Cats’ there is only so much you can do. And even if you give the police all the evidence they need you can’t go any further. And people like Luka know that. They know you can’t take the law into your own hands, and the police need an actual crime they can get solid evidence from before they act.
And this girl gets so much attention and she got more falling in her Facebook she doesn’t care about cats
@@alaealami561 please fix your grammar.
@@endliberalism4305 Fuck off idiot
This documentary was way more dark and sickening than expected😱..
I remember watching this guys videos, I didnt know this series what about him
Banjo K who ?
@@Qokdnzjuql7163 lucca magnotta
Add cannibalism and necrophilia and that makes it even more dark
@@gl4989 why you watching him?? Lmao
He really got what he wanted, attention by doing a whole documentary about him. I feel sad about it because we always tend to put all our focus on the killer but forget about the victim on the way by only speaking and define him through the way he was murdered. May Jun Lin rest in peace 🥀
I think that the focus on the killer is not out of disrespect for the victim, but rather because the interest people have in these documentaries is looking into the mind of a killer and trying to understand why people do these horrible things to innocent people and understand what made them think innocent people deserve to die. I don’t think the documentary quite addressed Jun Lin and those that his death affected enough, however I think by exposing his killer and bringing to light his horrible death people begin to remember Jun Lin.
@@Reeb2049 agree
I get what you say but in my point of view the documentary doesn’t highlight him, it highlights the group of people that searched for him and all the officers work. Talking about him it’s a must because he committed the crimes, but at any moment they say “oh he did this and that what a smart guy, I’m impressed, he’s good at this” in fact the search team call him all kinds of things through all the documentary, even the people that believed him (not his mother obviously, that woman is delusional) like the attorney says how disgusted he was when he discovered the “basic instincts” thing after he believed Many was real. What it’s true is that the director can’t say “oh this is about Jun Lin” because that would be a lie. The only time they really took a moment to appreciate Jun Lin were the two minutes they gave him almost at the end. May he rest in peace❤️
In prison hes not got access to the internet or even a computer so he probably isnt aware this even exists or is vaguely aware of it
At the same time he had too be stopped we can't let people like him out in are society
The most unbelievable bit of this documentary was Baudi, a self proclaimed “internet geek” seeing a video named “1 guy 2 kittens” and thinking it’s a wholesome video. Anyone that’s been around for a while knows that title structure is anything but wholesome.
I'm pretty sure she said that just for the documentary. I don't think they would let her explain where the name comes from haha
Not to mention when she copies & pastes links instead of just clicking on them 😂
Jackalish 😂😂 I was so annoyed during those parts. Like the poster above said it’s probably for clarity for those watching but I felt like I was watching my grandmother try to work her computer.
She knew what she was going to watch
@@Keidoupe I was upset about it too until I learned it wasn't her doing it
"Are we complicit?"
No, we're not. The killing didn't happen because of the attention that was given to him, it happened TO GET attention. Magnotta is a pathological narcissist who needs to have people talking about him, and he'll do whatever he must to gain that. If anything, you guys helped put him off the street. He killed because he's a malignant narcissist, not because the attention drove him to it.
Yeah, and that quote from Nietzsche isn't deep or perceptive, it's classic goth-kid-posting-from-the-folks-basement territory. Actual cops have to spend a lot of time online looking at s*** that makes them need eye bleach and a shower too, it doesn't make them complicit, it's an unfortunate occupational hazard of locking up perverts.
yes, i was thinking too that this was too general a judgment on people who watch stuff like true crime documentaries. certainly there are those who consume it as entertainment. i watch channels, like jcs or dr. todd grande, to understand the psychology/motivation behind such crimes, but I strongly reject this pop culture thing around serial killers. they shouldn't be made the center of attention. But I want to know how to recognize like a narcissist/ psychopath and how to act towards a person like that/ recognize the red flags without possibly becoming a victim. knowledge is key to development.
Basically a massive real life Black Mirror episode.
Huh, this is just the internet coming together to collectively try to solve a case. This is not new and is nowhere near anything you find on Black Mirror. How is vigilante justice similar to a horror story? Think you are confused.
Bound4Earth You must be fun at parties.
Yeah, I was also thinking a real life movie combining Basic Instinct, Catch me if you can, Seven, and The Cable Guy.
All he wanted in life was to be famous and in movies. The fact that once he realized that wouldn’t happen, he then made his life the movie with actual real life victims and actions, and copying a movie almost to a T, that sounds like a black mirror episode to me
Callie Peace Would be fucked up but awesome if Black Mirror took inspiration from that idea
This is hands down, one of the best documentary series I have ever seen.
Story telling at its best.
Angelica Lopez Everyone is entitled to their opinion. For me, the way they unraveled the ending was skillfully done. . . speaking from someone who works in the television industry, and is familiar as to what it takes to structure any TV series.
@@annamariadonato6523 are you sick I think you are
"So let me tell you who Manny is"
Oh boy was I not ready for the twist.
Luka also liked the movie "Scarface". I've seen a picture where luka has a shirt and on the back of the shirt he is wearing says "Scarface". In the movie there is a guy named Manny, and there is a guy named Frank Lopez. Luka said manny lopez so on not sure if he just made it up with the two names or got it from basic instinct.
This documentary was worse than a horror movie.
Let’s just say I should have watched it in the day
Mitra E. When you say worse do you mean scary or this was the worse writing or something
Deadass
@Luke Cabrera it's not writing tho it actually happened
I was actually scared last night lol woke up at 4am and turned on my tv and watched 50 first dates because I woke up thinking about him pretending someone else was responsible but it was all his own psychotic behaviour
Made me feel uneasy and sad ( I watched it last night before bed and didn’t realize the impact it would have on me)
What has really upset me since watching this documentary is everyone’s fixation on the kittens. Was it upsetting to watch? Incredibly. Did it make me cry at parts? Yes. But we are also forgetting that we see an innocent man seconds before his brutal murder. Where is the respect Jun Lin? This documentary was the best crime documentary I have ever seen because it highlighted so many different areas about crime. The criminal psyche, the role of the internet and social media, the issues of jurisdiction and how we (as the public) react so differently to murders of animals and humans. Very interesting.
Amy Webster animals are innocent and pure. Humans are not, they know more and do more bad. Animals don’t do bad. Its the idea that any human is Evil enough to kill an innocent an animal for pleasure. Its sickening. For me, id rather watch someone kill a human in front of my eyes then an animal.
I kept thinking that!!
My comment is in reference to the reactions on social media based on the documentary.
So do you believe there should be no compassion towards the horrific murder of an innocent, helpless young adult?
@@fashiondog888 I think a lot do because they see the title, see the first few minutes and dismiss it based on that thinking it's just about this animal abuser.
Jun Lin a man , a person , a human beeing with feelings , emotions , and a soft place in all of our hearts . None of us really knew him , but we knew that he was a man ... A good man . Thank you Netflix for sharing the story of a man . A man named Jun Lin
I hated the fact that his mother defended him so much knowing that he filmed those cat videos. The murder was just the tipping point for him. Absolutely disgusting.
It's obvious that she is one of the reasons why he became the way he is. She knew he had mental problems and she did nothing at all to give him some mental help. What mostly pisses me off about luka's mom is that she was shown the evidence of those disgusting videos, and yet she still defends him! I cannot stand parents who defend their criminal sons or daughters, they always say stuff like "no, my baby is innocent. My son or daughter would never do such things. All those haters have no right to see my baby as a monster." Etc. it's disgusting 😠
The mom actually asked “are you here about the cat videos?” She knew beforehand. She’s just as sick
The end is heavy handed. I watched the docuseries for the internet sleuths. I was gripped to see what they were going to do next and how they did it. I left wanting to learn more about them, not the killer. So to accuse the audience of feeding into his ego, when Netflix literally put this series at the top of the page for everyone logging in to see, was out of nowhere and the wrong route to take and end it on. Cheapened the whole thing.
True! I had forgotten about that until I read this comment. I was like woah... why are they suddenly accusing ME? When all those Facebook people were the ones AT THE TIME constantly talking about him. I mean, maybe, just maybe, they were the very reason he ended up killing a man. After all, he did keep saying things like “I’m going to keep making movies for you all and if you like I’ll involve some real people soon”... We haven’t really done anything by watching it when Netflix is the one feeding his ego by making the whole thing and promoting it so much.
@@scarletmccluskey8529 Yes , that 1 last comment was heavy and an example of a major directing error. Why bring your viewers on a 3
episode ride ...a good one!.. slam the brakes and yell "idiots!"? Still a really good docu series.
Yeah. Its another form of being 'woke', a trend that has been plagueing society these days.
Or it may also be Deanna just trying to make us feel what she felt, a misplaced guilt or rationalizing why such a bad thing happened or how it could have been prevented. Maybe its like a psychological thing where sometimes victim blame themselves for the things that went wrong, like they shouldve acted on a certain way, or did something, failing to realize that the perpetrator would have done vile things in other ways or circumstance regardless.
@UA-cam is You Definitely the suicide but Luka was going to kill someone no matter what! He prepared almost 2 years in advance by going to the lawyer.
Let's not forget the news-loving internet cafe owner who recognised him immediately
I’m glad they didn’t interview him. THAT WOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN GIVING HIM WHAT HE WANTED.
That was so disturbing. Creeped me out so much.
Fr I got spooked at the end of episode 1
Idk about you but I also got creeped out at the end when she said "and you! Are you at fault for this?"
my tummy is sick from the movie
I definitely went and gave love to my cats after watching this doc (and that's it- though, gave em some treats) Breaks my heart
Breaks my heart too, but if you love your kitties, keep them inside. You know how many dogs off-leash kill kitties? How many psychos do this stuff? Keep them inside
Just saying. This documentary is exactly the attention and recognition he was after. Pretty ironic.
Anton I agree. Especially the way they told the story. It was super sensationalistic.
It felt glorified/romanticized in a sense.
Use your brains. The man is in prison for life and this was 7 years ago or summert. This only shows him for what he is and kind of shows of jun lin and what should be remembered.
I just pray their are no sick cat-lovers in jail.
Anton not only that he is living a good life in prison. He wears regular clothes, got married, gets on social media, leaves his room when he wants. Two slaps to the victims 🙄
Also I wish people like his sicko mom's would stop using bullying as an excuse I and others I know where extremely bullied I went to therapy over it I was bullied in my household and school attempted suicide yet in still never killed innocent people nor did I become a narcissist, nor did I try to shoot up my school. No excuses for this mess
She's the one who abused him as a boy, but of course she plays loving Mom and blames everyone else.
I do agree that bullying won’t necessarily turn someone into a murderer. That said, bullying in schools is an issue that has still not be properly dealt with. A friend of mine has a daughter that is in 5th grade, and has been bulllied by the same group of girls for the last couple years. And it’s not just picking on her, it’s some sick shit. My friend had done everything she could; she’s gone to the principal and the school board, has talked to teachers and the bullies parents, etc. Nothing changed. She eventually had to move schools. And I’ve heard several similar stories to hers. It’s pathetic. And while a psycho it doesn’t necessarily create, it does give the psychos a boost and a target if they go over the edge.
@@SuperMelrose1 That's terrible! I can't understand the shortage of empathy and kindness. A lot of bullies probably grow up to be emotionally abusive in relationships, physically abusive, the type to scream at a teenage cashier for getting something wrong, making the kid scared. Kids don't deserve to be tormented and have their self esteem damaged or destroyed. The bullying issue, it seems to be getting worse instead of better.
Exactly, I highly doubt bullying makes you do something so horrible as that
If bullying turned us into killers at least a quarter of the population or more (including me) would be killers/serial killers. Like ma’am accept that your baby, child, son or however you want to call him is a psychopathic murderer. When she said he’s bisexual I was like “Don’t tell me that you’re gonna say something like: the frustration of his sexuality made him do it” My bisexual ass wouldn’t have handled that😂 thank god she didn’t say anything
I just watched the film. I had to watch it in small doses because it was so intense. Absolutely stunning. How frustrating for the people who knew this was going to escalate to humans and the authorities wouldn't listen. And even though the cat scenes were mercifully blurred and short, I couldn't watch. Just horrifying. And poor Mr. Lin. My heart goes out to his family.
So right! It is so frustrating when these things go on. You report it and people don't take it seriously, and people close to these individuals even cover it up instead of seeking help. Then you have the ones that support them because whether it is convenient for them or don't like 'troubles'. If one day, because their passively something happens, I hope they can't sleep!
thanks to all involved in the making of DFWC. It should win awards especially the editing and sound. DFWC and The Great Hack are my favourite documentaries of 2019. Well done!
I want another one talking about Jun.
This Documentary was absolutely amazing. Going into it I had no idea what it was about and the cinematography was amazing. Rip Jun Lin
this is so far the best documentary i've watched. I think it deserves much more than to be just a limited series, it never left my mind this week, id wake up in the middle of the night thinking of it. Im glad that justice was served for the poor cats and jun lin. Condolences 😢
I think Netflix version of this event captured how psychotic Luka was
Seeing pictures of him gave me chills near the end of the seires a true monster like Holy fuck he needed to be stopped.
This is amazing. I can't believe I'd never heard about this before I binged it.
ITS some real live sick psychos out here not just in movie's but all over the world I'm telling you it's a fact
Our system rewards this behavior, our economies reward psychopathy. Back in the Hunter gatherer days if a tribe felt a member showed signs of psychopathy, they'd kill them. Because they knew they'd be a risk to everyone else. But in today's world we literally reward these traits in people. Think about that.
Jen Dark Energy 384400 how? Ted bundy, Richard ramirez and other famous serial killers was behind bars. I don’t see how the government rewarded them.
@@jennyandersson6238 I didn't say our government rewarded this behaviour in mere working class people. Wall Street is full of psychopaths that never go behind bars for their crimes. The collapse in 2008 killed many people via suicide/poverty. Not one banker went to jail. Capitalism rewards this behaviour. Even doctors when tested tend to score high on having psychopathic traits, you have to have these traits in order to cut people open. Many tests have been done on that. Your average person would struggle to want to take a blade and slice someone open, even if it was for a job and totally legal.
Don't get me wrong though, whilst on the topic of government rewarding psychopathy. It also takes psychopathic traits to kill people for oil and resources. Which is what people and governments do everyday. Especially in the US. War is a business now a trillion dollar business. If that's not rewarding evil, I don't know what is..
Jen Dark Energy 384400 yeah, rich people can do everything. Hollywood is full with pedophiles and other disgusting human beings, but just because their rich and have contact with other people like them nothing happeneds.
There are a lot of people defending him like, "There MUST be a Manny, we see two pairs of hands at the end of the 'movie.'" I don't know how, but I'm sure he planted it there somehow as a way to avoid responsibility. Notice how quick he pointed it out once his mom asked him why he did what he did. He's already thought of this. I know that "Manny" and his other accounts share similarities to his favorite movie, Basic Instinct; but it doesn't really disprove "Manny." It's circumstantial at best. What does kind of disprove it for me is the lack of phone records on the night of the murder, when he said Manny instructed him to do this. His demeanor does not match the behavior of a person who was forced to kill. Any normal person would definitely hesitate; and if they actually went through with it, they'd be fucked up after the fact. But he went on business as usual, cold with no remorse. Almost as if he's a person that has just committed murder in cold blood. Hmmm.
Of course his mom wouldn't believes he's capable of this. It's unsettling to realize you've been living with a monster this whole time. And the people that say he's "too polite" to do something like this, it's because he's a coward. He preys on the most defenseless of things, knowing they can't fight back. When faced with almost anyone else, he can't have that same energy. His "kindness" is a result of him being very weak and insecure in social settings. He can't afford to be savage in real life. That's why he hides behind a computer, and targets little animals. Don't fall for this, when people say someone is not capable of such acts because he's either too "polite" or "he wouldn't do this kind of thing." You'd be surprised at how seemingly innocent people can act to hide something dark. Serial killers are disturbingly good at this and get off on it too. Calling Luka Magnotta a narcissist is an understatement. He might very well be delusional enough to believe that Manny is real. He's not the first murderer to blame it on the voices in his head. Don't fall for it again, there is a reason why criminals tend to not admit guilt. If they do this often and long enough, it starts to create doubt in people's heads.
Take Wayne Bertram Williams for example. He did not admit to the Atlanta murders even when there was clear forensic evidence. He was just convicted for the murders of two men. Even to this day, there are people that defend him, saying he's innocent. That's exactly why they do this. For people to say, "He's already doing life. Why wouldn't he just admit to one more murder? Unless he really didn't do it." There are a lot of factors that motivate criminals do this. But for people that kill others for no reason, there are sometimes no reasons why sociopaths do what they do. They might just get off on that too. Creating doubt and inconsistency. Add chaos to order. Sometimes, you can't make sense of something senseless.
It’s really annoying that I keep seeing tweets saying things like “omg unanswered questions: whose hands were those!? who was manny!?”
There were movie references planted by Luka the WHOLE way through the case, all of them were mentioned in the doc, did these people REALLY IGNORE the massive part where it was realised he was making a reference to his literal FAVOURITE FILM Basic Instinct, and the abusive character Manny. Did they actually just ignore that part?
And the hands were 100% the snake handler/owner. Obviously.
And also you’re so correct about the narcissism. He’s not just a casually self-obsessed person. He’s got the form of narcissism that’s a genuine mental illness. But I’m quite glad they didn’t discuss that / realise that he was mentally ill because I would have despised if he got put into a mental hospital instead of prison and got a better life. (Unless they pulled a Nurse Ratched and gave him a lobotomy forcing him to live the rest of his life completely braindead).
@@scarletmccluskey8529 People love to believe what they think is an interesting conspiracy theory. I put the blame on Netflix for glorifying "Manny" (and maybe mental illness) in order to force a discussion and get views. This is just legitimizing Luka's bullshit and enabling him to furthermore avoid responsibility. It's no surprise that Luka brought up "Manny" a year or so before the murder. Lots of killers fantasize about it long before it comes to fruition. But yes, the hands are the snake owner's, whose footage was used as a pawn to further Luka's agenda.
i strongly agree with your statements. he is a horrid man. too delusional and out of touch with the reality we live upon.
There was no Manny, Manny was from a film that he was copying the whole time no one forced him to do anything he just said that to try and get away with it he did it all himself he's seriously fucked up
Who’s manny
I binged all 3 episodes last night and i cannot spot thinking about it. Holy shit guys, watch it!
Do you see the cat scene and killing scene ?
0 subs With 0 vids you don’t see the cat being killed, they show the beginning of the video so you can see the cats and what the guy in the video looks like.. but that’s it
@@katemccann6486 lol beg
spot?
nah it’s twisted
The mother was deluded and why would she take part in this documentary, maybe she is as twisted as her son.
She saw the kitty video too. Her son admitted it was him, but she didn't call police.
Everyone is crying over kitten, but no respect for lun jin?
JGA Latumaerissa animals are pure & humans are not
@@tetea6701 shut up
Yeah, this is sad but people are linked to animals more than human in every story where a pet and a human die, people are angry because of the pet and seems to forget the human. Pray for Lun Jin.
Jun Lin , show him some respect lol wtf
I think it's because.... as adults we make choices... as an adult he chose to hook up with Luka... it's devastating what happened to him and he didn't deserve that... but an animal is defensless...
That's why people are more upset about the kittens...
Brilliant director. Sensitive with a clear view of what he wants to communicate, being very thoughtful and respectful to the subject as a whole. I have just watched the documentary. I am very sad for the parents...
Thank you Mark Lewis.
Deanna and John absolutely are the best! God bless Deanna and John!
Thank you, Mark Lewis, for recognizing these HEROS.
Best documentary I have ever seen... well done 👏👏👏👏
I never watch Netflix but this had me on my feet!! So crazy!!!
this documentary messed me up
ashnaa rabbani sane
Same*
Seriously
same
i really wanted to see how his mother reacted to something like this just because of the fact that she was accusing the people who spent soo much time trying to find out who he is
I can't believe I haven't seen more people talking about how he sent Deanna a video of her work. That's so haunting. I wanted to hear more about that.
It was just more or less a warning to her that he knew where she worked, He didn't actually take the video, it was just one he found on the web. It did cause her great concern though. It scared her pretty good.
Documentary was amazing but it creeped me out.
I absolutely LOVED this documentary! I live in Ontario, Canada and this was HUGE! I remember seeing it all over the news, but I didn't really pay attention too much (new mom, new baby lol)
When I realized who this was about, I was so angry!!!! I felt so bad for the ppl trying to find him and kept warning the police that he was going to end up killing someone and he did! And the end was perfect with a Baudi Moven said that maybe they pushed him, or gave him the perfect place, and that things should change...... we know it won't, but at least they understand it's needed! I loved when he made up the Karla Holmolka thing, that was a joke! Lol
the ten dislikes is his mother and all her accounts
5ft 8 lol true
5ft 8 and Manny
Like muther like son
Lol yeah she just did an interview w tmz talking about manny again
Or people who didn't like how they didn't talk much about Jun Lin.
I clicked on this literally because i thought it was about Cats I did not expect this to turn into a real life catch me if u can story
But I wouldn’t say the rule only applies to cats. Rather, I would say innocent animals in general.
If you see a child being abusive to small animals and other small kids, please take action. I am not saying all will be series killers when older.
I needed to post this here to open people's eyes:
I know a 9 years old child who has been abusing small animals and also small kids when he thought nobody was watching ( he has always been unsupervised outdoors from the age of 3/4) A neighbour approached him and asked if he did something to his cat (as several people witnessed him being abusive to cats), he admitted to him in front of his parents that he had torture and killed some cats ( also to mention that a cat was found killed at his doorstep a couple of years ago, of course it makes you think he did it, but we can't, as we havent seeing it) These parents turned it around and accused the man who the boy admitted to doing this things, saying that he was drunk and he was nasty to the boy. The man wasn't drunk, but probably angry or upset (and I wouldn't have blamed him!) the father knew the guy had a trouble because of alcohol in the past and used it against him, another neighbour, whose son ( much younger) was with the boy when was approached by this neighbour, defended the boy and boy's family because his son was scared, of course was scared, he was with him in at least one occasion when he did it, so he was afraid he could be in trouble as well, my question is how a parent allows a 4/5 years old play with a 8/9 years old?? Anyway, bottom line is that parents are responsible for these kids, they are kids at the end of the day, and if they really care for them, they should be seeking for help instead of being so defensive and try to cover it up.
If not action is taken in time, we can imagine what the child would turn to when older.
i remember the day I saw that kitten vid.
never have I ever wanted to hunt someone down so badly.
so glad he is behind bars.
The first video I saw was Jun Lin. I didn't know about the animals.
It wasn't really about Luka Magnotta for me. It was about Jun Lin and all the people who helped to bring his killer to justice, and those who had seen the murder coming before it happened.
I watched this doco in one day and I will tell you it is truly very good. It is also dark and haunting that someone could do this. It was also truly fascinating how they were able to catch this guy.
I loved the edition of this documentary, it's so different from what i'm used to watch.
WoW ! I just watch this documentary and Deanna and Tom are truly amazing people. The determination they had with ups and the downs to finding Lukas Magnotta was daunting. It felt the rabbit hole was just so so deep and never ending at times and to finally see Lukas Magnotta get captured was such an OMG Thank You moment. Thank you Deanna and Tom.
Mark Miller you have made a well pieced together flim to explain this in documentary format to how Deanna and Tom hunted this horrid game of cat and mouse to find Lukas Magnotta.
I was sucked into this documentary
Do more stories please cause it would not only help your show but also people on what to do and what not to do in theses situations and what to say or not to say when your around people like that 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾very brave and interesting and disturbing but also intriguing
They bullied a guy to death and a innocent guy was brutally killed in front of a Camera. I wish they showed them more respect in the doc. Overall a very good documentary but there was More respect given to the dead cats than the dead humans.
only one dead guy and he was gay
they showed his funeral and included his friend that's more than enough
Leyla Memis I totally agree !
The guy he murdered was drugged so how much pain would he have felt?none of the kittens were sedated or drugged so they all had painful deaths
Yes fucked up that she could watch dead guy but couldn't describe what happened to the puppy.
@@missg3188 ok he might have been drugged but like the heck you still feel it the cats were drowned and eaten he was stabbed dismembered and embarrassed on the internet with thousands maybe millions and we as humans we are more worried about the cats thats messed up oh and a puppy was pulled in and chewed on his limbs then the puppy was killed he was made to be a joke no one really laughs when it's a cat but when it's a man people laugh and its stupid
Excellent film and editing, an exploration on many levels, thought the finale was phenomenal and caring.. the song "my name is Luka, I live on the second floor, comes to mind. Look into the lyrics. Thank you M
I’m wondering if people every hired him as an actor, would he be what he is now?
He stopped being a victim when he decided to start causing harm. He felt very entitled from the start and he was the one who decided to go down this path...
After watching this docu series, I watched Jun Lin’s murder video , I wanted to know what happened and I didn’t think it was as bad as it was. It was extremely easy to find on the internet. If you are considering watching it to understand better or just to see what happened, please please don’t. I am traumatized from it. Some may say I’m dramatic but what is on that video is horrifying and has complicated me mentally forever
What about the second set of hands in the python video?! I can’t stop thinking about that.
I’m glad someone else is asking this too!
Im really curious about It too
Literally looked in the comments to see if anyone had mentioned that
Luka said it was Manny/Emmanuel but I’m pretty sure he was just made up in his mind (due to the childhood trauma), but.... he admitted to lying about having mental illnesses. So.... you’re right. Who IS that second set of hands? ...
Look back at it...the hand looks fake as fuck, it's not normal, weird movements. Remember it's one hand only not two. It's stiff, and kind of fat.
If that doesn't do it for you, baudi moving...deana? On her twitter said it was the python owners hand, who was unaware of what was going on. allegedly that was filmed prior to feeding the cat. I don't know though 100%.
RIP Jun Lin 🙏❤️
I think Deana Thompson and John Green need to work for the FBI. They are absolutely brilliant.
They (and the victim) were the crux of the story. The killer was a lunatic. He could have done worse. He is the only one to blame.
They ran into dead end after dead end. The only reason they got any information is because he was in the group and helping them catch himself. He told them there name and where he was staying multiple times. He caught himself. They didn't really do nothing except accusing the wrong guy and getting him to kill himself
How did everybody overlook the fact Luka Magnotta was dressed as Billy Loomis in the security footage of him taking Jun Lin into the apartment complex?
“Now, Sid, don't you blame the movies; movies don't create psychos, movies make psychos more creative!” - Billy Loomis, Scream (1996)
watched the entire thing in one sitting!! Sooo well made!!!! the editing the pacing just amazing!!!
Thank you. LM not being online is a good thing for everyone
I agree.
One of the most ingenious documentary I have ever seen. Thank you
these videos still exist. these people still have an audience. the fact that we are watching a documentary about it does not make us complicit… it makes us aware. the more people who know about it, the more likely it is to get shut down. and, granted, it most likely will never get shut down, however, we do have a higher chance is that happening if we know what’s going on.
if we ignore these things and “don’t give them the attention they want” they will - like i said - STILL have an audience on the dark web. not giving them the attention doesn’t stop them, it only makes it easier to hide
This documentary is very well putting together, great editing, and the story itself is beyond anything i ever seen!
I just finished this documentary. It was so good.
Alice Price huh? wait I’ve had people telling my it’s twisted af, since I love cats and have one myself i don’t know if it will fuck me up more than I already am.... any thoughts?
Xan ッ Same
Xan ッ they tell you about the videos but they never show you them. It is upsetting and I hugged my cats a lot after but it is very mind bending and it is more about the story of finding the guy the cats themselves
It was hard to watch the parts of the internet videos although you don’t really see anything, but it creates this picture in your head.. very very well done! Binged watched this in one evening and your story was very well told. I found the Facebook investigators work the most interesting.
Very exciting and well done documentary!
R.I.P Jun Lin💖💞💕💖💕 u will be missed
I've watched many documentaries and not many of them have shook me like this one did.
The way the guy said Etobicoke drove me insane! 😂 it’s pronounced Ee-tow-b-co.
Wow just watched this documentary 😿hats off to the director /producers and everyone involved, the way this story has been shown was extraordinary!!!!
I almost turned it off in the first episode when the kitten video started cause I thought they were gonna show it. Glad I didn't.
Like they have always said " Reality overcomes fiction"
The way they told the story its amazing, way better than most movies
"Perverse version of the kardashians"??? oh well that's a new low 😂
A must watch documentary. Not for the faint hearted. Glad this monster is locked up. The irony is that they had to bring attention to the guy in order to catch him, which was what he wanted all along.
There needs to be a disclaimer for animal cruelty!!!!
♠FollowTheWhiteRabbit♠ pretty sure that’s already made evident by the title “cat killer” (no ill intended) ?
Nessa Drake not necessarily. It says internet killer. You don’t know to what extent they will show things. I wish I had been trigger warned
Bitch it’s literally MA for animal harm and gruesome images
Cokane maybe it says that for you but on German Netflix it says no such thing.
So i just herd about this on Netflix. I really realize human life is more valuable than any other. So enjoy each day . I haven't saw this show yet.
First I would like to give my condolences to the family of the victim Jun Lin, may he Rest in Peace. I have to say that I am so unbelievably angry that sick POS is actually enjoying his time in the pen!! He should be strung up by his testicles!! Please bring back Capital Punishment Canada!!!
I started violently crying at the end. Love this
Wow. The ending was fucking awesome. He had it all planned out to the moment he was cought.
The videos of the cats made me sob so much. I could hardly watch them but I kept on watching because the documentary was sooo interesting it was soo good.
Fuck cats
Devarion Loyd Fuck You
“Are YOU complicit? Maybe you should turn off the machine.”
Also
“You can now watch the documentary yourself on Netflix!”
WTF?!!
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i would kill to rewatch this again for the first time i can’t explain how amazed i was with this documentary
Everyone is HIGHLY UPSET about the cats but what about the HUMAN BEINGGGGG😩😩😩
BEST documentary on Netflix period
pls make another documentary like this
No
You did a great job of making me cry a lot
RIP Juan Lin
thank you Netflix & RIP JUN Lin so sad
Never forget jun lin
I've just watched the first episode and took mini break during it to pet my cat and tell her I lover her and will never hurt her
RIP JUN LIN :
I can’t believe that a murder of a human being is an after-thought. RIP Jun Lin. The perpetrator got his goal to be famous.
did we ever get told who was responsible for the video at deanna's casino? in the moment it was assumed luka but was never mentioned again
Phoebe Durrant Luka ‘liked’ a video from her job . Not actually went in and recorded her . But i get what you mean and see why this question is getting asked a lot
He just liked the video - didn’t record it I don’t think