What is Sufi Music? (The Sound of Islamic Mysticism)

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
  • In this episode, we finally dive into one of my favorite topics - Sufi Music. We discuss its history, practical uses as well as theoretical, philosophical perspectives on the role and power of music to affect the human soul, all from the perspective of Muslim Sufi writers.
    Thank you again to Mosa'ab Elshamy for kindy allowing me to use his footage. Check out more of his work on his official website:
    www.mosaabelsha...
    Sources/Suggested Reading:
    Abu Nasr Abdallah b. Ali al-Sarraj al-Tusi - "Kitab al-Luma' fi al-Tasawwuf". Translated & summarized by Reynold A. Nicholson. E.J. Brill. 1914.
    Adamson, Peter (ed.) (2005). "The Cambridge Companion to Arabic Philosophy". Cambridge University Press.
    Addas, Claude (1993). "Quest for the Red Sulphur: The Life of Ibn 'Arabi". The Islamic Texts Society.
    "Al-Qushayri's Epistle on Sufism - Al-Risala Al Qushayriyya Fi 'ilm Al-Tasawwuf". Translated by Alexander Knysh. 2020. The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization.
    Alvarez, Lourdes Maria (2009). "Abu-l Hasan al-Shushtari: Songs of Love and Devotion".
    In the "Classics of Western Spirituality" series. Paulist Press.
    Alvarez, Lourdes Maria (2005). "The Mystical Language of Everyday Life": Vernacular Sufi Poetry and the Songs of Abu Al-Hasan Al-Shustari". Exemplaria. 17:1, 1-32, DOI: 10.1179/exm.2005.17.1.1.
    Avery, Kenneth S. (2004). "A Psychology of Early Sufi Sama: Listening and altered states". Routledge.
    Chishti, Muhammad Tanveer Jamal & Dr. Abdul Zahoor Khan (2015). "Approaches of The Early Sufis From 10th Century to 12th Century Towards 'SAMA'". Mediterranean Journal of Social Sciences. 6, 5:51.
    Cornell, Vincent J. (transl.) (1996). "The Way of Abu Madyan: The Works of Abu Madyan Shu'ayb". The Islamic Texts Society.
    Ernst, Carl W. & Bruce B. Lawrence (2003). "Sufi Martyrs of Love: The Chishti Order in South Asia and beyond". Palgrave Macmillan.
    Hammarlund, Anders; Tord Olsson & Elisabeth Özdalga (1997). "Sufism, Music and Society - In Turkey and the Middle East". Swedish Research Institute in Istanbul. Transactions Vol. 10.
    Homerin, Th. Emil (2011). "Passion Before Me, My Fate Behind: Ibn al-Farid And the Poetry of Recollection". SUNY Press.
    Homerin, Th. Emil (2001). "From Arab Poet to Muslim Saint: Ibn al-Farid, His Verse, and His Shrine". The American University in Cairo Press.
    Ibn Sina - "A Treatise on Love". Translated by Emil L. Fackenheim. Medieval Studies.
    Khan, Inayat (1991). "The Mysticism of Sound and Music". Revised Edition. Shambala Dragon Editions.
    Lewis, Franklin D. (2000). "Rumi: Past and Present, East and West". Oneworld publications.
    Ibn 'Arabi - "The Ringstones of Wisdom (Fusus al-Hikam)". Translation by Caner K. Dagli. Great Books of the Islamic World.
    Qureshi, Regula Burckhardt (1995). "Sufi Music of India and Pakistan: Sound, Context and Meaning in Qawwali". The University of Chicago Press.
    Ridgeon, Lloyd (ed.) (2015). "The Cambridge Companion to Sufism". Cambridge University Press.
    Shehadi, Fadlou (1995). "Philosophies of Music in Medieval Islam". E.J. Brill.
    Wright, Owen (translated and edited by) (2010). "Epistles of the Brethren of Purity: On Music. An Arabic Critical Edition and English Translation of Epistle 5. Oxford University Press.
    #Sufism #Music #Islam

КОМЕНТАРІ • 470

  • @lemonbalm3781
    @lemonbalm3781 2 роки тому +187

    fun fact - سمع (sama'a) comes from the same root as שמע (shem'a), sīn mem ayin, both fundamentally meaning "hear" or "listen." it's wonderful to learn that this word سمع has such an important place in islam when שמע is one of the most important words in judaism, and listening to the shema is one of our holiest practices. the parallels between judaism and islam are so cool. love your work as usual!

    • @saberalsibai1426
      @saberalsibai1426 2 роки тому +21

      Muslims and Jews have a lot of common besides the politics and conflicts. And arabs and jews too are cousins, we came from Sem رضي الله عنه

    • @jdub2378
      @jdub2378 2 роки тому +4

      Arabic is a little sister language from big brother Hebrew. That’s why there’s a similarity.

    • @tkgawa
      @tkgawa Рік тому +1

      That is the root of my name: Semein.

    • @ahmedirfansamad
      @ahmedirfansamad Рік тому

      Jews consider prophet Ismail as an illegitimate and wicked son of father Ibrahim, Jews here will explain it, but the point is he is speaking about the word root, if he can't accept the root of Arab, It's vague to care about the parallel of Judaism and Islam.

    • @binderchannel9454
      @binderchannel9454 Рік тому +1

      You may also wonder hearing that in Quran the emphasis on hearing is more than seeing. In several verses, God says: ؛Indeed Allah is all-hearing, all-seeing؛ (e.g. Hadj, 75)
      hearing is brought ahead of seeing.

  • @syrinetrabelsi3183
    @syrinetrabelsi3183 Рік тому +10

    Sufi music is still very popular in my country Tunisia , its no longer a practice but an important part of our heritage, every Tunisian however how religious or pious or on the contrary even atheist , cant help but give UP and enter in that ecstatic mood listening to Tunisian sufi music. It even Plays a colossal part in mariage ceremonies , i really Want to introduce you all to Tunisian sufi music , blessings 🇹🇳

    • @tounsi_m7ashesh
      @tounsi_m7ashesh 6 днів тому

      Salam alaikum o5ti ane 5al baba sufi w ma 5latsh 3lih awal marra nsm3 b sufi music tounsiya kn tnjm thoti lien t3 playlist Allah y5alik

  • @alaahamza62
    @alaahamza62 Рік тому +8

    we should take a moment and appreciate all this amazing videos, we all know how much takes times to bring all this wide information to make this precious content, thank you

  • @SeekersofUnity
    @SeekersofUnity 2 роки тому +6

    This is huge. Can’t wait.

  • @philesq9595
    @philesq9595 2 роки тому +8

    Excellent video, brother. I always learn so much from your content. May God bless you with success and happiness for all your efforts.

  • @noahdanielg
    @noahdanielg 2 роки тому +4

    Hazrat Inayat showed up right at the end! First person I think of when thinking about "Sufi Music". Interestingly enough he is much more famous where I live in the Netherlands than internationally.

    • @c.a.t.732
      @c.a.t.732 2 роки тому

      A small volume of his writings entitled "Music" by "Sufi Inayat Khan" that I came upon in the early 1970s set me on a lifelong musical journey, for which I am very grateful... it still sits on my book shelf today.

  • @mattisvov
    @mattisvov 2 місяці тому

    I cannot in words express how profoundly beautiful and beautifully profound this is.

  • @crvlegal
    @crvlegal 2 роки тому +1

    Your videos reflect how deeply in love you're with the subjects you talk about. This video was a real trip for me, loved how you put in to words the spiritual potential great music have. Thanks

  • @UlyssesJonah
    @UlyssesJonah 2 роки тому +3

    This is now my favourite video on UA-cam. Thank you.

    • @lindachandler6986
      @lindachandler6986 2 роки тому

      So when do you play and sing and dance? Amazing scholarship, as expected, but when can we get the cd?

  • @esotericbullshit4542
    @esotericbullshit4542 2 роки тому +2

    Hey brother, I think I posted this a little while ago but still would love to see a video on the Mouride Sufi order of Senegal (and in particular the subject known as the Baye Fall who are allowed to violate Islamic taboos on drinking and smoking) -- I've seen your video on the Tijaniyyah, and that was wonderful but as someone who's spent a little time in Senegal a couple years ago I think the world deserves to know more about this very fascinating Islamic sect and I feel you will undoubtedly do it justice. Just a thought, always love your videos!

  • @africanhistory
    @africanhistory 2 роки тому +2

    Downright AMAZING! one of your best pieces to date. I almost thought you were going to discuss this entire thing and leave off Sub- Africa. Boy, did you do it justice when you started talking about the Kora and Baba Mal. The strongest traditional African music traditions dating back to 11th century come out of the sufi music tradition. Most people continue to divorce Islam and Africa which is akin to talking about Western classic music and leaving of Bach and Mozart.

  • @umarahmad9381
    @umarahmad9381 2 роки тому

    What I love most about catching the premier for each video is listening to the countdown music.

  • @heanjie
    @heanjie 2 роки тому

    I have been waiting 30 years for this video. Many thanks!

  • @naeemze
    @naeemze 5 місяців тому

    ❤ from Pakistan Filip. Even i never knew the facts living in the region where Sufi music is everywhere.

  • @kassimtufail9061
    @kassimtufail9061 2 роки тому +3

    You’re amazing very nice detailed research 🔬 right on the spot your work almost covered everything any one need to know about Soofie music and soofi Islam I am personally very impressed very nice informative research 🧐 of yours!👏🏻

  • @charlesrat3703
    @charlesrat3703 2 роки тому +9

    Great title.

  • @nicolesawyer-jm6ir
    @nicolesawyer-jm6ir 8 місяців тому

    Love love love this !!! More please. Thank you !

  • @robertschlesinger1342
    @robertschlesinger1342 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent video. Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video. Sufi music is very beautiful.

  • @Nedwin
    @Nedwin Рік тому +1

    Hi, I've been into playing music for years. I play guitar, keys, and drum. I am the listener of many of your content but this one might be my fave. Anyway the notes of do re mi fa sol la si may come from Arabic writing: dal ra mim fa' sadh lam tseen. Nice review as usual bro. 👍

  • @rizj
    @rizj 2 роки тому +3

    Excellent video. Filip I have a few possible requests as they are fresh in my mind for topics to cover.
    Since the ongoing unrest in the world sadly, would it be possible to cover eschatology of non-Abrahamic religions? I am intrigued on their take of the end-times. Maybe Buddhism, Hinduism eschatology would be interesting. I just want to see if there is any correlation with the Abrahamic faiths.
    Also, maybe your music that you make could be inspired by Sufi Music? Artists such as Al Firdaus Ensemble. :)
    Love your work, thanks!

  • @amineroula
    @amineroula Рік тому

    3 yeara ago i had a enlightenment happened to me your video gave me a lot of insights into what happened to me, i will look into the books and poets you spoke about, i hope i will understand

  • @confusion9000
    @confusion9000 Рік тому

    When I was young, I didn't understand music or dancing. I would sing along because that's what people did, and I saw how people responded to singing. I didn't understand dancing, I saw it as strange. It wasn't until I studied music and dancing from the endless facets of it's intrinsic nature that I not understood it but it helped me understand my own mind and existence itself. To know the power of music and how different melodies and lyrics affect us, and our own power over ourselves and the music around us, it to know the power of all things. To choose the death of music over understanding and harnessing it for good is to kill humanity and our connection to all things. Animals and Angels alike make and appreciate music, why are humans any different?

  • @matthewhu3514
    @matthewhu3514 2 роки тому +4

    The read flute and other instruments mentioned by Rumi and other Masters does not refer to the outer , physical flute. it is referring to the inner heavenly sound. it is an ethereal , cosmic music that the physical ears cannot perceive . this subtle sound is perceived by the meditator when turning their concentration inward , to the inner real spiritual world with it's various levels of consciousness and inner heavenly lights and sounds which are associated with various regions of the inner spiritual kingdom. Bu only the one who is initiated by a true living master can access this freely and reach complete absorption in it. it is heard by a specific method of meditation imparted by a true saint .

  • @salvas7376
    @salvas7376 2 роки тому

    This was well done. Very well instructed and part 2 was enticing… very Sufi. I am feeling inspired. I guess you can say I feel God.

  • @syedabukhari2643
    @syedabukhari2643 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for educating

  • @atiqrahman6865
    @atiqrahman6865 2 роки тому

    Good description of SEMA /AUDITION------about SUFI MUSIC.

  • @davidcheater4239
    @davidcheater4239 2 роки тому +1

    wonderful video as always.

  • @KirillySpace
    @KirillySpace 2 роки тому +1

    I thought this was going to be a musical feast of a presentation. Dang! Anyhoo, I very much appreciate all that you do and would love a follow up presentation of the music itself!

  • @Hijabstronaute_africa
    @Hijabstronaute_africa Рік тому

    thank you jazzakallahu khairan

  • @peace-1712
    @peace-1712 Рік тому

    Love the breakdown ❤

  • @naemasufi7588
    @naemasufi7588 Рік тому

    Marvelous lecture, thank you

  • @syedabukhari2643
    @syedabukhari2643 2 роки тому +1

    Wow 👌 hats off to your research 👏 👌 🙌

  • @PascalDavidoff
    @PascalDavidoff 2 роки тому

    Amazing job! Thank you for your effort!

  • @hiba0090792
    @hiba0090792 6 місяців тому +1

    Can you make a video about all maqamat please?

  • @TexanEnglish1
    @TexanEnglish1 2 роки тому

    Thank you. Very comprehensive. I had some very sublime experiences back in the ‘70s (Ichazo/Arica)
    Can we get AP for some comments ? (Checking comments)
    ☮️

  • @asmaakaanoune7773
    @asmaakaanoune7773 29 днів тому

    Thanks!

  • @Maynard0504
    @Maynard0504 2 роки тому

    qawwalis are my favorites musicians BY FAR.

  • @Andrew-mv2qb
    @Andrew-mv2qb Рік тому

    just a nheads up 'string theory' is not a theary as such, its a hypothis. It's more in the realm of science fiction as it conjures up infinitesimal worlds to make it conhesive.

  • @nasseralkuwari5086
    @nasseralkuwari5086 2 роки тому

    Great work!!

  • @superd96
    @superd96 2 роки тому

    Great Video - Thank you !

  • @3006spikespiegel
    @3006spikespiegel 2 роки тому

    @ 54:11 : "The Whole world is essentially music".... Am I the only one here who got the first chapter of the Silmarillion vibes here???

  • @elmerdsbaddays339
    @elmerdsbaddays339 2 роки тому

    so fascinating!

  • @Svartalf14
    @Svartalf14 Рік тому

    Hello, when you talk about sama, I notice that the accompanying images show many characters whose top garment (coat? caftan ?) seems to have overlong sleeves that they seem to be agitating as part of their 'dance'. Do you know what this garment is, and the meaning of those sleeves?

  • @lawrencek1900
    @lawrencek1900 2 роки тому

    Inayat Khan's daughter Noor Inayat Khan was an accomplished musician and writer and was executed by the NAZI's as a British spy in 1944 - Sufi's at War! her brother also served, he survived the War.

  • @zahidhamid3029
    @zahidhamid3029 2 роки тому

    Great research thanku ❤️👍

  • @mrad6707
    @mrad6707 7 місяців тому

    As a sufi muslim, I disagree with so many sufi attitudes like dancing in Mosque... Mosque is a peaceful place to connect to GOD no baphometic instrument 🎷🎸 should be in it. If you want to practice spiritual music 🎵🎶 go to build places for it like shia hussaniyas.

  • @spongytunes8852
    @spongytunes8852 2 роки тому

    Can we get a video on a prominent Sunni topic in the near future? That would be great

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  2 роки тому +3

      Since most Sufis are Sunnis, I would count this as a prominent Sunni topic

  • @nuhamansour1971
    @nuhamansour1971 2 роки тому

    I love this.

  • @SameAsAnyOtherStranger
    @SameAsAnyOtherStranger 2 роки тому +1

    I recognized Youssou N'Dour's name from Peter Gabriel's song credits for "In Your Eyes" on which N'Dour can heard singing in Senegalese. I looked up his name on Wikipedia. Evidently he's worked with a bunch of other bigs like Sting and Bruce Springsteen.

  • @muhafizali14
    @muhafizali14 2 роки тому

    Wondering if you would be able to explain the same details of shia sect on music. It would be very helpful information to understand Islam better

  • @mirjanazejno7483
    @mirjanazejno7483 Рік тому

    Ju ëlutem me titra shqip Albania

  • @redsamson5185
    @redsamson5185 2 роки тому

    Salaam Alaikum Filip!

  • @CaptainOrgazmo
    @CaptainOrgazmo 2 роки тому

    Nusfat Ali Khan is the MAN!!

  • @perumalnarayanan2975
    @perumalnarayanan2975 2 роки тому

    Sama session is good

  • @Servant-Of-Al-Qudus
    @Servant-Of-Al-Qudus 2 роки тому

    Surah Al Iklas

  • @gstt8508
    @gstt8508 2 роки тому +1

    Putting aside the weight of a distant past and of religious devotion, can you imagine someone shouting and rolling on the ground in a supermarket because someone passed by with a bluetooth speaker playing some song? That sounds embarrasing and annoyingly attention-seeking, if not outright hysteric.
    So many religious anecdotes like these seem less grand and impressive to me when we transport them to the less romanticized present.

    • @aqilshamil9633
      @aqilshamil9633 2 роки тому +1

      Modern society condition man to be automaton

  • @andythedishwasher1117
    @andythedishwasher1117 2 роки тому +174

    When you quoted Ibn Arabi's position regarding Sama'a and its potential for abuse by villainous types for their own financial and political gain, I was immediately reminded of my experience with the Christian music scene in my youth here in the US around the early 2000s. They could create some pretty interesting altered states for large crowds of kids, but the ultimate result in many cases seemed to be that they now had an army of kids who would do what they said as long as they referenced it back to those altered states. Whatever the nature of music's power, I'm forced to concede that it can be used for evil in my experience.

    • @He.knows.nothing
      @He.knows.nothing 2 роки тому +25

      Particularly in protestant culture, contemporary music is used to explicitly manipulate the emotions of the congregation to break them down into an emotionally vulnerable state such that the pastor's message is felt internally as though they experience a manufactured sense of salvation

    • @MrMikkyn
      @MrMikkyn 2 роки тому +14

      Sounds the same as Hare Krishna ISKCON Kirtan Music. It is hypnotic, induces altered states of consciousness, and creates states of ecstatic devotion. But when combined with organised religion, business acumen, political motives, entrepreneurialism, commercialism, corruption and managerialism, it can be used for evil purposes. Everything is referenced back to that altered state, if people are devoted to their God Krishna, the sayings of their guru and their particular satsang community of religious individuals, then that is all that matters. And their attitudes and behaviours towards outsiders can be as evil and decetive as they like as long as it can reinforce their own religious identity and solidify their belief system. So harassment, bullying, violence, gaslighting, guilt tripping and psychological manipulation can be used against people who disagree with their ideologies and speak out against them.

    • @goodfriendraf2388
      @goodfriendraf2388 2 роки тому

      only tangentially related to your comment but is someone in here gonna talk about mewithoutyou, the best christian/sufi crossover band to do it?

    • @andythedishwasher1117
      @andythedishwasher1117 2 роки тому +10

      @@He.knows.nothing I just watched an episode of Esoterica where Justin Sledge talked about Austin Osman Spare's approach to mysticism. He described a technique, which I've personally used to fascinating effect, that involves inducing a kind of "stack overflow" in your nervous system of the same sort that hackers induce to create a back door for inserting foreign code into a system's memory. It's my belief that religious rituals of many varieties are aimed at a similar function, whether the mechanism is fully understood by the practitioners or not. In my experience, when the mechanism is not understood, the practice becomes quite dangerous and externally exploitable.

    • @He.knows.nothing
      @He.knows.nothing 2 роки тому +4

      @@andythedishwasher1117 I definitely agree. I shared a similar experience to you and although I do see and appreciate the enormous potential to insight transformation, I take issue with those who maintain a sphere of ignorance around exactly what is inciting the effect, especially if they are doing it with intention.

  • @emperorfulgidus262
    @emperorfulgidus262 2 роки тому

    Great work!!

  • @-ahmedhaitham
    @-ahmedhaitham 2 роки тому +91

    This is so good, I want to show it to my father and I wish if it had Arabic subtitles.
    Please consider adding subtitles so you can reach a WAY bigger audience.. an audience that is meant to see this!

    • @Trp44
      @Trp44 2 роки тому +1

      Yes and Thank You for your hard work producing such content for free…can I send you some money?

    • @lawrencek1900
      @lawrencek1900 2 роки тому +1

      @@Trp44 There is a 'Thanks' option on the third row under the video, he also has a patron site

  • @madmadam6200
    @madmadam6200 2 роки тому +64

    Amazing 😍👌 I'm Iranian, and sadly, here religion has been sort of purged of music😔 so seeing your videos on relationships between religion and music, spirituality, etc has been really educational and inspiring❤️
    Keep up the great work, love from Iran 🇮🇷🕊️❤️

  • @SarahH0g4n
    @SarahH0g4n 2 роки тому +42

    Thank you so much for another amazing and well researched topic. Your love of music comes through. Learning to play the Oad, very soothing instrument indeed.

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  2 роки тому +10

      Lovely! Good luck on your journey of learning the instrument!

    • @mohammadreaz5372
      @mohammadreaz5372 2 роки тому

      🛑🛑🛑The biggest deception🛑🛑🛑
      The Most Important Videos are "Beware of Angels" And "Charmed by Darkness", See them Now on UA-cam !!!

  • @zenclover8468
    @zenclover8468 2 роки тому +163

    The fact that you combined your ideas into one cohesive title that is clearly the most effective is both rewarding to watch and participate in, but also kind of hilarious in some weird way.

    • @dairyqueue
      @dairyqueue 2 роки тому +1

      Agreed

    • @abrahamcollier
      @abrahamcollier 2 роки тому +1

      Just another demonstration of the genius of this channel.

    • @MrMikkyn
      @MrMikkyn 2 роки тому

      Why hilarious?

    • @abrahamcollier
      @abrahamcollier 2 роки тому +1

      @@MrMikkyn Watching Filip's clever mind at work often brings a smile to my face. Hilarious in the way that beauty can sometimes make you laugh for joy.

    • @mohammadreaz5372
      @mohammadreaz5372 2 роки тому

      🛑🛑🛑The biggest deception🛑🛑🛑
      The Most Important Videos are "Beware of Angels" And "Charmed by Darkness", See them Now on UA-cam !!!

  • @zahrabahjawi867
    @zahrabahjawi867 2 роки тому +71

    This was beautiful. Sufi practices like Sama' can be used as a means or as an end, and according to Ibn Arabi's Unity of Being, both at the same time. The closer you get to truth, the more oxymorons you face, and one learns to see that as indicative of a path worth exploring.

    • @rizj
      @rizj 2 роки тому +9

      Yes amazing. I love it that sufism isn't black and white like for example the salafi creeds claim. Love the sufi path we all travel together. Some caravans travel slow, some quicker but the destination is the same.

    • @rodneywarr4873
      @rodneywarr4873 2 роки тому

      Bida

    • @mohammadreaz5372
      @mohammadreaz5372 2 роки тому +1

      🛑🛑🛑The biggest deception🛑🛑🛑
      The Most Important Videos are "Beware of Angels" And "Charmed by Darkness", See them Now on UA-cam !!!

    • @Nedwin
      @Nedwin Рік тому

      Aqeedah-->fiqh-->thareeqah-->constantly practiced-->Unity of being.

    • @Nedwin
      @Nedwin Рік тому

      @@rodneywarr4873 Al Imam Asy Syafi'i once said that there are two bid'ah; bid'ah mahmudah/hasanah and bid'ah madzmumah. This one might be bid'ah mahmudah.

  • @letssmile5031
    @letssmile5031 2 роки тому +28

    Very profound research video. This was so interesting and informative and the perspectives and views of RUMI and Ibn-al-arabi made it more beautiful with deep knowledge and understanding. I appreciate your effort and hard work you put in to this video. 👏🏻💙

  • @ModernDayHeretic-m9j
    @ModernDayHeretic-m9j 11 місяців тому +3

    I like this side of Islam more then the more puritan and Wahabist sects of Islam that hate or are against music.

  • @usmang5542
    @usmang5542 2 роки тому +76

    I an an avid follower. This channel is like none other and has earned a special place that cannot be measured by Views or Likes. It is becoming an ocean that has the rare quality of depth as much as the sparkly shallows.
    I'm patiently waiting for the the next level of discussion: What is the purpose of religion?
    Kudos

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  2 роки тому +15

      Very kind of you!

    • @rajesh_shenoy
      @rajesh_shenoy 2 роки тому +1

      That's in the realm of *Cognitive Science of Religion*. Not sure this channel would cover such a deeply scientific topic.

    • @usmang5542
      @usmang5542 2 роки тому +14

      @@rajesh_shenoy I humbly refuse to give science a monopoly on reason.

    • @rajesh_shenoy
      @rajesh_shenoy 2 роки тому

      @@usmang5542 That's your prerogative.

    • @lemonbalm3781
      @lemonbalm3781 2 роки тому

      depending on the cultural context there are a lot of anthropologists who cover this question! a good place to start would be functionalist anthropology of religion

  • @comrad011
    @comrad011 2 роки тому +11

    The quality of this channel is astounding ! Thank you so much for the effort you put in all of these videos

  • @idkkidkk4059
    @idkkidkk4059 2 роки тому +15

    Thank you so much for the work and value you put into these videos
    Can you do a video about music in the Christian world or music in any relegion

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  2 роки тому +11

      Would love to follow up on this by exploring the music of other religions as well!

    • @lemonbalm3781
      @lemonbalm3781 2 роки тому

      @@LetsTalkReligion re: the comment i left above, it could be cool to look at the similar controversies around music in the jewish world, especially looking at the regions with muslim and jewish cultural overlap.

  • @laststorm7726
    @laststorm7726 2 роки тому +11

    This is great. Philip, you have helped learn a lot of my own religion and drove my to learn on my own time. thank you so much.

  • @mglaffin3907
    @mglaffin3907 2 роки тому +29

    I owe my deepest gratitude to both your channel and ESOTERICA for helping influence me to major in my current major, which means i will learn about many different cultures. All the best to you and your channel Filip, you’re doing great work here!

  • @sariahmarier42
    @sariahmarier42 2 роки тому +7

    For six months post concussion, I could percieve the nature, quality, resonance, frequency, depth and tone of Everything I could see. All color took on sound, a kind of transparent life force resonance which I could both see and hear simultaneously. (*Synesthesia) Even now I can sometimes hear the landscape like a multitude of symphonies playing in perfect harmony at a million times our average musical speed. Notes upon notes layered three dimensionally into colorful songs and each song: a flower or person, a blade of grass or tree. And all serenading one another, influencing one another, being one HUGE symphony and becoming time itself. (*String Theory)

    • @sariahmarier42
      @sariahmarier42 Рік тому +2

      @@jayrober4834 For years is was continous, now it's occasional. I concentrate like you would with any background music playing, although it does frequently take precedence over other stimuli. It certainly changed the way I perceive people because each individual has their own sound/song resonating at any given time. And it's changed my perception of reality because nothing is ever out of tune, sometimes happy, sometimes sad, angry like heavy metal, sometimes lighthearted, sometimes slow and dull, but never out of tune. Certain cities sing their own tunes, and certain landscapes. A soundtrack to life made of life. It's nifty.

  • @MEGALEHANE
    @MEGALEHANE Рік тому +1

    Around 47:30, the video talks about Rumi's vision of the beginning of universe as the dance of being to the divine musical utterance of God "am I not your lord" does anyone know from which poem this is?
    I find it very beautiful and looked everywhere, there are many poems that seem to carry similar meanings, but never express really the idea in this video. I'm so desparate even asked chat gdp... If anyone can point me in a direction I would be grateful!

  • @sinaKai5216
    @sinaKai5216 2 роки тому +11

    hey could you do a video on Safavid order and qizilbash?
    they are interesting religious communities in eastern anatolia like Shabak nad kurdish and turkish alevis who practice shia islam but very different from shia islam in iran

    • @YouraBurdaninmyHand
      @YouraBurdaninmyHand 2 роки тому +2

      I second this

    • @barefootarts737
      @barefootarts737 2 роки тому

      Third!!!

    • @aysun4137
      @aysun4137 2 роки тому +2

      My ancestors are Alevis - am so excited you know about 💗 it has nothing to do with shia - it is a way of living of turk folks before Islam

    • @barefootarts737
      @barefootarts737 2 роки тому

      @@aysun4137 this is exactly what I want to understand more about! Any recommendations in english?

    • @zccau2316
      @zccau2316 2 роки тому +5

      Them murtads were the very reason why Iran became Shia today. They force converted the entire population from Sunni sufi Islam to extreme rafidhi Shias lol. It Caused half the problems in the Muslim world today

  • @AlineInGreen
    @AlineInGreen 2 роки тому +7

    Excellent video!!
    I just wanted to add an example of modern day sufi music: the incredibly popular song about AbdulKader Al Jilani entitled "AbdulKader" by Cheb Khaled, Faudel, and Rachid Taha.
    A lot of people, mostly in non-maghribi countries, listen to it and sing along without knowing the Sufi nature of the lyrics.

  • @freshoutofcrabs
    @freshoutofcrabs 2 роки тому +2

    "Inayat Khan argues that at it's deepest level, the universe is made up of vibration." . Huh. I wasn't expecting to encounter similarities with String Theory on a video about Sufi music.

  • @diarrasarr7595
    @diarrasarr7595 2 роки тому +4

    I went to bed with dikhr being sang every night during ramadan and every Friday to this day. It's a lulluby in my neighberhood in senegal. When I asked if I could join the Tidiane sufi order in senegal, they said I need to be given the Word and a prayer bead from another to join. I know people who would allow me to join but it seems formal but I just want to join because ecstatic, a selfish reason. Thanks for such an informative video!

  • @mysticia4582
    @mysticia4582 2 роки тому +2

    Angry Wahabis coming to the comments in 3 2 1

    • @nawazkadri1024
      @nawazkadri1024 2 роки тому

      Ohh Actually 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @varuanda
    @varuanda 2 роки тому +7

    Your research game is unbeatable. Love the subject and you my friend are truly a YT gem!

  • @Aleemshah110
    @Aleemshah110 2 роки тому +5

    I'm Naqashbandi Sufi ❤️❤️❤️

  • @justinbirkholz
    @justinbirkholz 2 роки тому +7

    Another great video! I was so happy to see you mention Hazrat Inayat Khan and The Mysticism of Sound and Music! It's a fascinating book.

  • @barefootarts737
    @barefootarts737 2 роки тому +9

    This is a wonderful subject, and very well articulated. I would listen to 20 more of these talks. Immense subject spanning into prehistory.
    Sufism is a good example of how to preserve culture and memory in the face of Fundamentalism.
    Here in the US we have Fundamentalism to thank for a wealth of knowledge on this subject. Ironic broadcast of wisdom.

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  2 роки тому +2

      Glad you liked it!

    • @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
      @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl 2 роки тому +5

      You do realize that sufism is considered part of the fundamentals of Islam right?

    • @barefootarts737
      @barefootarts737 2 роки тому

      @@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Fundamentalism has a very specific context in the way that I'm using it. And has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

    • @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
      @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl 2 роки тому +10

      @@barefootarts737 the context you are talking about comes from a Christian European context. Which has nothing to do with an Islamic context

    • @barefootarts737
      @barefootarts737 2 роки тому +2

      @@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Islam certainly has fundamentalists, just like any Hierarchy has its thugs.
      If you have a question that would help you understand the context please bring it here. An agreement on terminology is necessary before any conversation even begins. So far you and I have nothing together. What would you like to do?

  • @musamusashi
    @musamusashi 2 роки тому +4

    The concepts explained in part 2, are not dissimilar from how great composers from very different traditions, from Bach to Coltrane, would visualise the role of music and musicians.
    As a musician who is also a Muslim, i am so appalled by the narrow minded and illogical, when not plainy stupid, arguments against music so prevalent in some Islamic quarters these days.
    Thanks for one more great video!

  • @Delhi_Sultan
    @Delhi_Sultan 2 роки тому +7

    Another very interesting and enlightening video! Thank you for showing a very important part of Islamic spirituality that is often either deeply misunderstood or even ignored. This video does a great job showing the creativity of Islamic culture.

  • @HiDesert004
    @HiDesert004 2 роки тому +5

    I saw Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan live. It was amazing.

  • @spreadthetruth4935
    @spreadthetruth4935 2 роки тому +3

    Very interesting video I’m Mouhamed from Senegal’
    I like the subject you talking about’ just adding a few thing that to listen music you have to reach such a high spritual level because the sound reminds you the حضرة الالهية songs for example as you know all planets had its songs I think nasa discovered that
    That’s why when the Sufi who reach on that level they even cry when they listen because it’s not giving them physically pleasure but spritual’ and basically tassafouf is علم الذوق knowledge of test
    That’s why we do suluk to get فتح meaning spritual opening ‘ I would like to get in touch with you if you don’t mind please thanks again for your work 🙏🏿

  • @odlani
    @odlani 2 роки тому +5

    Thank you for your excellent content.

  • @mirjanazejno7483
    @mirjanazejno7483 Рік тому +1

    Lets talk religion ju lutem me titra shqip albania

  • @Abdullah..........
    @Abdullah.......... 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks a lot for your very informative videos. Can you please do a video on the Deobandi movement and its take on sufism (they allow it, but only in accordance with shariah).
    They are the largest group of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent.

  • @nitinrege7060
    @nitinrege7060 2 роки тому +4

    Very informative. You must include modern musicians like AR Rehman or Shankar, Ehsaan Loy who has given so many numbers based on Sufi music which has helped its popularity worldwide especially among Indian / Asians.

  • @jmiller1918
    @jmiller1918 2 роки тому +6

    Impressive bibliography! Thank you for your research and presentation.

  • @tehreemazmat2929
    @tehreemazmat2929 2 роки тому +2

    I am still my mind-blown by how J.R.R Tolkien's opening of the Silmarillion is centuries of Sufism summed up on two pages.

  • @Jazzgriot
    @Jazzgriot Рік тому +1

    I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the Gnawa of Morocco.

  • @hizbee5524
    @hizbee5524 2 роки тому +5

    I really liked spooky season and pre islamic era. Also shams al ma'arif was good take.
    Can u make a video about asharia maturidia and athiria
    Also about Ilm ul Kalam and Falsfa (philosophy)

    • @LetsTalkReligion
      @LetsTalkReligion  2 роки тому +5

      There's more of that coming too!

    • @hizbee5524
      @hizbee5524 2 роки тому

      @@LetsTalkReligion i'll be desperstely waiting for that. Thankyou so much.

  • @ShaikhBrown
    @ShaikhBrown Рік тому +1

    Why/ How is there no mention of the Holy Shabd? That's the True basis of the other things mentioned.

  • @sulaimantariq907
    @sulaimantariq907 2 роки тому +3

    Hi Filip,
    Why not a video on the 4 madhabs? Their brief history, their differences in usul, major differences in legal opinions and key thinkers.
    Can’t wait,
    Sulaiman

    • @aamirbatatawala3041
      @aamirbatatawala3041 2 роки тому +1

      while the idea is very fascinating but you should do your own research (if you have the means),it would be better that a youtube video.
      p.s no offence to the creator of this channel, he is doing amazing work

  • @Gorborothh
    @Gorborothh 2 роки тому +1

    More evidence that these SUFI KILAB are far from True Islam. The use of instruments is not allowed, except the duf (a type of drum) and even then, exceptions.

  • @Blady99
    @Blady99 2 роки тому +2

    40:53 “music is a lot like love, it’s all a feeling, and it fills the room from the floor to the ceiling”
    -ICP “Miracles”

  • @zainabhi8475
    @zainabhi8475 2 роки тому +1

    Please make a video on maulna Rumi and Shams Al Tabriz

  • @irbis_rosh
    @irbis_rosh 2 роки тому +4

    I am halfway through the video and what a journey it has been! Thank you a thousand times over for all of your academic and media work.
    I cannot help but wonder if you have plans to make videos exploring the "fringe Sufi" mystical groups such as Alevi, Yazidi and Yarsani. All 3, in my belief, put a lot of emphasis on the practices such as samaa and musical performance.

    • @egomaniac7230
      @egomaniac7230 2 роки тому

      He's already done a video on the Yazidis, I believe.

  • @bayareaconsult4115
    @bayareaconsult4115 Рік тому +1

    Excellent analysis thank you 🙏, I would add that Sufism music excised before Islam and all religion and we can see that in the chants of Jews, Catholics and Greek orthodox