@@StoneyRidgeFarmer 16:04 You NEED to get with the builder & OTHERS who has built such & talk to the ENGINEERS about such and DON'T guess about such, REVIEW the ACTUAL Engineering drawings with them, as a fellow who does such told me "I don't take out supports I add them"
Being a farmer you probably have 2 or 3 of everything. I can't remember if it was you or wranglerstar but one of the two has a separate tool box for each "task" Plumbing, electrical, fencing, etc. This has been hands down the best change in mindset I've made when it comes to tools, saves me sooooo many trips back to the shop to grab x,y or z.
My suggestion is to map out your shop on paper into zones. Each zone for a particular purpose ie: where the taller lift is, mechanical repair, another area for specifically for implement storage like sprayers, pressure washers, chain saws. Then determine the workflow you want for efficient use. Do you want shelves, hanging racks, or lofts. When you think in zones, organizing becomes much easier
I was going to say the same thing. @StoneyRidgeFarmer There is a free App I used called "Floor Plan Creator". I used it on my phone to plan out my 80x40 shop layout after I had to start from scratch with the building having to be torn down and built back up from the slab after a storm.
Seriously take a look at in home elevators. They’re more economical than you may think. Master Bedrooms are awesome upstairs with a view but as we get older stairs are not our friend. Also you do real work. If you hurt a knee or back you will not be able to get to your bedroom. A buddy of mines Mom put one in their house and it was so cool. Just a suggestion brother!
people think im crazy but my dad turned me onto using old file cabinets for tool storage. until ppl see how organized i am. very rarely do i have to go looking for a tool. i label each drawer what it has in it. you can store so much stuff. i even have one for my canning jars in the house. these older heavy duty ones can be found on marketplace and work places for free or cheap. I love them.
Locate the stove near to the steel column, not in the dead center. You can support the stovepipe from the column. Run the pipe up as high as is practical and then penetrate the wall. There will only be a short section outside needing support. You will have a good long run inside the shop. Set the stove on some sort of insulating surface. Don't put the stove directly on concrete. Heating concrete to a high enough temperature can degrade it and turn it back into piles of sand and gravel. That x bracing is pulling the two halves of your structure together. The big bay doors in that wall weaken the structure, and the bracing makes up for it. I'm not a civil engineer, but I know that much.
Build out from the wall in a U shape. Creating walls from the wall out to 10' will increase the storage area. Build your workbench in the center of the U shape. Add space under the workbench for arc & mig welding station. Using peg board and tool chests store wood tools at one end and metal on its side. In the middle create a cabinet to store battery powered tools with one shelf wired to AC to charge batteries. Place yout drill press on one end and the skill saw on the other side. I assume that you will build out walls for the electric panel. Include space for the air compresser. Plumb steel pipe around the work area with access ports spaced around the room. Just a few thoughts off the top of my head
A few points, some have already been made. 1) put a mini split in the living area, much easier to control temp. 2) add sound insulation to living area ( floor, walls and ceilings) to cut down on noise + insulation from shop 3) an elevator is/will be your friend if this is a forever home 4) add a powered lift platform to mezzanine 5) you haven't said how you will cool shop in summer, as mentioned before put large ceiling fans (big ass fans work great) in shop to circulate heat from stove in winter and whatever you use to cool in summer. 6) in living area, plumb drain lines with floor drains under frig, dishwasher, sink, hot water heater (if storage tank kind) and cloths washer (cheap to do on new construction) you'll thank me later 7) 20' or 40' containers either purchased or rented will be your friend during buildout. 8) remember to plan on trash/garbage disposal either a small dumpster or large sturdy cans hidden from view 9) you may want to plan on 2 seperate water drain lines. one grey to use on farm and one brown going to septic
build yourself some carts from 4x4s and put casters on the bottom of the 4x4s there wrap with 2x size of your choice. You can custom build these carts depending on the department of each area. peace brother. I appreciate your videos because you remind me of the spirit I used to have when my life was not so chaotic. thanks
I'm putting EVERYTHING in my shop on wheels! BECAUSE I've found times & projects change, I bought 2 one way 40 ft containers & built shelves in one & the other with carts on wheels that hold 8 clear containers to organize stuff thus giving me 99% of my shop floor for actual work
First separate your space for maintenance on vehicles. Oil/grease/lube Then separate your tools for mechanical-wood- electric, etc. Area of work It looks like you got stuff for shipping, use that side door for load/unload for that. Outside you should build your self a implement shed. Get your self diesel tanks/gas. Under a shed roof. Keep one area for just for fast cleanup. Of you have the time or money left Say do you need a 40 ton single phase Ironworker.
Josh really impressive how far you've come with the farm and your shared personal life good for you bro keep it up🤘🏼🇺🇸 been watching your channel for a very long time you were a nurse so you know I work in the hospital as a patient transporter for 36 years and I've learned don't take life too serious. It ain't permanent.😐☝🏼👍🏼
Stove pipe issue: my thoughts are 1. The double wall pipes don’t throw off much heat. 2. Think about the smoke if you bring it out the side, will it stain the barn? I will have the exact same issue on mine so I’m glad you’re going first 😎
One thing I would have added to a shop that size since you have the height to do it... A bridge crane. It makes moving heavy parts and materials from one area to another a lot easier. I'll be waiting for your new videos on how you get your shop build completed. I bet it'll look great!
YES! the braces are necessary. They are for wind load and God forbid an earthquake. They keep the building stable. Lee (PS: You are going to have to clean the chimney with a brush. It will be easier if you go thru the roof. With the double wall pipe it would be easier to seal. That how I did the chimney on my outside wood burner - it's in my wood shed, so I don't get wet when it rains. Cleaning the pipe is a breeze.)
I would not use wet directly off the mill wood. As the wood dries, its gonna leave gaps. I'd bring it indoors and let it sit for a few weeks and let the initial dampness from being out side wick out. The tool room make sure your layout allows for ease of good house keeping.
To add to the wood drying the 'rule of thumb' is to allow a year for each inch of thickness when air drying. I'm sure you know that. But that's to get it for making furniture type stuff. I don't think I'd use it straight off the mill for 'structural' framing as you may need to tear it out if it shrinks/moves too much.
Ideas for the stove area. One thing you might consider is thermal mass. One of the best ways to make a stove incredibly efficient is to wrap a bunch of concrete around it or put rocks on top, once the thermal mass heats up you can just crank your stove down to the lowest setting and it will keep that warm and it will store all of that heat in there And allow you to get a much longer burn. So if you’re gonna have a really cold freezing night you could crank it up during the day loaded up with wood and put it on the slowest burn setting and get several hours of heat into the night and even if it goes out early in the morning then you have all this thermal mass in there that’s a stored heat The whole time which will just keep radiating for a few hours and when you roll into the shop in the next morning it shouldn’t be quite so horrible and it should be a lot quicker to heat up again. They even have systems with a build the wood stoves into huge concrete structures. It’s kind of the same premise as a boiler. There are also system I’ve seen where it wraps coils around your exhaust tube stores the heat and runs it into a water tank and I’ve seen some off grid people use that like a water heater so they had hot water But also as a thermal mass Storage. I saw a UA-cam channel where one guy did that he took a water heater tank and put it underneath his house and he did it and that we had a heat source under the house to keep pipes and everything from freezing And the heat source was just the extra heat from the vent tube most of which would’ve just gone out the other end of the chimney anyway so there are a lot of options but one of the best ways to boost your efficiency as somehow store that heat in there but even if you were to build that back wall Out of cinderblocks and fill them with concrete and wrap it around the sides you’d still have a pretty significant thermal mass there to absorb heat and store it for longer, maybe even use both techniques and run water tubes through it just like a geothermal heating or an indoor heating system where you heated off the vent and run it through Something it would build out of concrete, it might be fun too research a little. I was also thinking that with Heating water and a coil around the exhaust tubes you could make a radiator system and spread it out around the shop to more evenly distribute the heat with a radiator system of some sort you could make that out of concrete implement with heat rated tubing And just circulate that hot water around the shop and your shop is tall enough to where you can have a pretty significant amount of exhaust tube have a lot more surface area for the coil tubing or even have a second system or tank to heat up as well. 🤔 Since you have tall walls I think the mezzanine idea is a no brainer if you’ve got the wood to build it that’s just a ton of extra storage/shelf space where you can put implements and pallets and all kinds of stuff. And if you make the mezzanine or part of it tall enough, you can even have hanging storage underneath it.
If the stove is under the mezzanine that will trap some heat from the stove. Put a directional fan under the mezzanine to blow out and down into your shop. With that high of ceiling, you may need ceiling fans as well.
Had an 87' pickup with the 22R that I managed to traverse around the western part of the country back in the day. with 33' tires and 6" lift, it topped out around 60mph on the highway, but it was by far the funnest vehicle I've ever owned. Would love to restore another one on par with the "Yotacorn". Very nice.
The flue will need to be "insulated" to prevent condensation inside flue , causing tar buildup if you go too high. Recommend going out of wall at around 14'.
Josh...take pipe through the wall and then a T up the outside. The bottom of the T towards the ground with a cap on it. So to clean out you pop off cap and brush from top down, pushing everthing into a bucket under the T. Put the cap back on and fire it up😊.
The mezzanine sounds perfect size. I think you need to kinda do a rough drawing and plan on some paper for the tool and workbench area and I would agree with you with taking the smokestack out the side wall and not the roof. Look forward to seeing the build out .. stay warm and safe in the storm. We’re supposed to get a mess up here in Virginia Beach.
Josh, I would build out the wall behind the stove and build in that wall shelving so as to not waste that space. I would never use wood pegboard. It is weak and fails way too soon.
The bracing is for shear wall . When you shook it the roof also rattled. It’s one continuous shear wall and roof. Do not disturb it. Agreed that the higher you go the more heat you get from the pipe. Just remember when this when you have to clean the pipe out from soot
Probably for starters is a small shipping container to move all your junk out of the shop space until you get the construction done (ie 2nd floor apt & shop), Consider getting used Vidmar or Lista type modular cabinet for storing parts, tools, consumables. if you cannot find a used one, you can build your own out of lumber. Drawer cabinets are the best for storing parts & tools since provides easy access & keep them relatively dust free. A roller tool cabinet is also useful since you can roll it over to the machine your working on, but aren't practical for storing large items (parts, large tools like skill saws. A nice welding table is great for repair work, at some point every farmer ancher becomes a welder. Are you planning to use steel posts for the second floor apt. & mezzanine? Another option is some commercial storage racks (the multistory ones used in Lowes\Sam's Club\Costco. You can store feed, & infrequent items on pallets, & use the forks on a tractor to put stuff up or take it down. You just need to look for deals on used storage racks. Or set up your mezzanine so you can lift up pallets & used a hand pallet jack to move pallets around the mezzanine. I would go with one set of stairs to reduce wasted space. You got a lot of stuff & the collection is probably only going to grow, not shrink.
I would take the stove pipe out through the roof. If you come out the side you will get some soot on the building. I know this from experience even with coming out from the building 3 foot. Just my 2 cents
My shop is a complete mess now. But this next summer I'm going to do the spray foam insulation and try to finish the inside. Then I can put stuff away and organize it
I would... 😏 You did ask for ideas/advice, come out of the stove with regular stove piping until you got up closer to the exit point. Being that you have a catalyst, creosote shouldn't be a problem in a chimney that dissipates more heat. The double-wall will be good to retain more heat as it goes through the wall and outside. If you don't have an adaptor that goes from the stove to inside the chimney pipe, then I would use chimney pipe cement or refractory cement where the pipe goes into the stove. Run the chimney hot for a couple hours every few days/week to keep the chimney clean. I would go through the wall, and then use an H-pipe at the top for venting the smoke.
Keep as much stovepipe inside as possible. Whether you exit the pipe through the roof or wall, there's always a chance of a leak. A heavy-duty wood workbench along a wall is nice. And old hand tools hanging on a backing looks cool and rustic. A large heavy metal shop table is also handy for welding and mechanical projects. Mechanic tools should be in a rolling toolbox. I got one that was too small, now I have 3. I also find it handy to have tool bags and buckets for field repairs. Make sure to plumb your shop with plenty of air fittings and some for outside. I'm always stringing air hoses to fill tires or run air tools outside. And don't forget electrical outlets including 220 plugs for a (stick) welder. Wire feed welders do not work well if there's a breeze, unless you have flux core wire. I prefer stick for my larger farm repairs. Check out Austin Ross for welding videos. He has an awesome channel. Also, look online for shop setup and layout. See what others do before you commit. As for lifts, I would really like a 2 post lift. If you have to work on brakes and suspension you are free to do so easily. A 2 post lift lifts a vehicle from the frame. With a 4 post lift you can't because the vehicle is still on it's wheels.
It's easier to clean a pipe out outside your house but the more elbows you put in to any wood stove is a place that creosote can get build up and at . But you are right that you can get more heat if you leave more pipe and your building
Go through the wall for your stove pipe. If you went through the roof, think about taking the stove pipe down every year to clean it and of all that soot falling all over your shop when you do.
Throw the chimney outside the wall as soon as you can after the stove, and use insulated chimney pipe (the silver one). It's safest that way. My .02 cents.
Hint tractors on the far end, tool storage middle, home kitchen stuff middle till home is built framed out and finished. Get a few ahipping containers for junk and priceless
i build solid walls first. i've done metal up 4ft with a trim board. then a nice 3/4 wall board above.. studs on 12 inches centers. that leaves you lots of options for wall units extra. metal peg board between the upper cabinets and work bench. you can run fir strips to hold the peg board out. you want the wall to be solid and simple. benchs and wall units often change over time. you will most likely get sponcers whom would love to help you set up the shop. so leave the slate solid and simple. good luck.
How long are you letting your new lumber (from the mill) dry? Plan, plan and review, then replan. Get a drawing of the wood structure. A drawing plan of the whole 1st floor shop, kitchen, tools, and equipment!!! You’ve got a job!!! Reach out to the bldg manufacturer!
In NY we use single wall inside and transition to double wall at the wall thimble. That's gonna be alot of pipe to get it above the roof line in that spot
I have tried every tool storage over the years from inexpensive to snapon - I have totally moved to new age products - best bang for your buck and great storage. I have all three shops organized with their products- you won’t regret it.
Remember if you go thru the wall for the pipe is you create a bent ( a chock point ) causing a point for buildup. Myself go thru the roof ( no bends ) 🇨🇦👍
Well, Josh, you know my suggestion would be to make the whole building a shop. Then have Kyle from R&R buildings come out and put in a timber frame and have a really fantastic barndominium. 😊
Do not remove the bracing it is very necessary for stabilization of the building. And the reason why there isn't on the other side because you have your doorways in here that make structural strong. I put these buildings up for about 10 years out here in California...
@StoneyRidgeFarmer Can you talk more about why you have decided your implements need to be stored inside? I'd like to know more about why. I was thinking about doing an implement storage rack outside for mine but I would like to know what you have experienced now that made you decide to use your valuable shop space for implements.
First off first things first, if you don't have all your electrical and plumbing ran, run that first and then spray foam insulation. It's a little more expensive but it's the best stuff, especially in a metal building trying to seal up all the nooks and crannies
Cody is like food. If you cook it right it is great. And sometimes no matter how you cook it leaves you thinking wtf did I just eat! All the same not sure how much is for the comment generator or not. All content creators create content.
Mechanics tool box for nice shop tools. Then have farm a farm tool box/skid that can sit in the bed of a truck or side by side. Stove pipe out the wall in my experience. Roof won’t leak if you there aren’t extra holes in it.
The rods are necessary for keeping the building square and to keep it from being damaged by the wind. If you go through the wall at like one guy said then you can clean the chimney from outside the building through the t that should be outside and not an elbow. Take the bottom cap off and run the brush up. Use french brackets much stronger than pegboard. Just my thoughts (and wishes if I had that beautiful building. Ps: plan out the building and put tape on the floor. I bet you will move the tape many times before you know for sure what you want.
I’m in the design phase of my building and my company drills holes in the big steel beams and makes this bars more internal. Maybe you could drill holes and use a flexible steel cable?
I have a large tool chest for all the hand tools, socket, pliers, impact wrenches, screwdrivers, ect.. I use a small tool cart to gather what I need to do the job, then everything goes back where it belongs.
How long are you letting your new lumber (from the mill) dry? Plan, plan and review, then replan. Get a drawing of the wood structure. A drawing plan of the whole 1st floor shop, kitchen, tools, and equipment!!! You’ve got a job!!!
Cabinets on wheels just in case you need to move them around. You are gonna nee all the storage space you can find. I would run the stove exhaust out through the wall, just my opinion, I'm by no means an expert.
The stove needs "single wall" pipe from the stove to below the ceiling. The pipe temperature will run several hundred degrees and put off a lot of heat. A thermostat on the pipe, about 4 feet above the stove, will tell you a lot about the fire.
Shelving takes up a lot of room. I like to use shelving on wheels so you can put the shelving right next to each other thus eliminating the aisle in between each shelving unit. Then I can just pull out the shelving units to get what I need. The wire shelving units are strong and if you are in need of really heavy wheels I make a steel dolly for it.
Josh, Definitely a huge project. I would agree with taking the stove pipe through the wall, then you can put a clean out at the 90 outdoors. I know you want the metal roofing behind the stove, but my opinion would be masonry. Heat will penetrate thin metal faster, also masonry will radiate the heat. Just my two cents.
run pipe through the wall not the roof don't use insulated pipe in side till you get close to going through the wall you will get more heat out of pipe
Id honestly say Josh if you can condense your tools to one area and keep the motorized stuff where its easily accessible, then the storage can be used more for stuff that you maybe use once or twice a year. I know how it goes though, once you build a shop, is it really ever big enough.? I agree with the zone idea. Just do one zone at a time and that way you stay organized.
Tractor run in: 6 stall roof & 3 side shed gravel floor. Wire fencing outside stuff you may use given to you un 8x40 container, ; 4 whèelers in covered shed out of shop its stuffed you need room to build.; Set up lift if its in big shop have organizer come organize you shop. Tgi web for decking glue web beam for girder. Build deck sheet it with 5/4" osb plywood put 3 coats of water base poly sealer start assembly place main beam girder and baring post on house structure get in up there get 2/3 to 3/4 stuff out of shop until you're finished Josh too congested to work its cant see the forest for the trees too busy to see or do project so set up to unclutter . Start in and build home or home office get baring beams put hangers on it to put floor joist put a few on a week start getting boards up in the air worry about floor decking later or just at landing top of stairs main house get er done but way too much in the way run electric tender power for side by sides & 4 wheelers etc. But out of shop as it is its too much to build long term projects like whillys under plastic under canvas with moth balls it takes critical room if your not doing something with it for 1/2 year get it out of your shop later bring in back inside museum display exception cureing wood seasoning for moisture large timbers decking stairs joist handrails get it in dunnage and on flat floors with fans to dry big wood slowly so it doesn't check to death splitting. Slow dry appearance grade large wood and beams etc. Let debth of personal space be yours suggest dont show it or in background or cursory show framing but dont publicize your interior of home privacy security. So you'll not have people going into your home. I ran large estates of public people private areas remain private perhaps small short cabinetry or plumbing but keep people from knowing your homes lay out understanding entry or security of doors & camera. Safety and not giving entry information. Public & private once beams post and joist flooring go up need to know friends or professional people who work on home. Once you're done intensive camera prep or projects but focus outward not intrusive. Suggestion
Hey Josh thank you for the video and I agreed the more pipe you have in the building the more warmer it's going to be but I would go through the roof you know they have those things that you put their I think it's the same thing that you have already for your toilet and sink and shower that pipe that runs through their the vent pipe they had the aluminum piece that they put on the roof I think you would get something like that woo
Organize ,organize ,organize then plan. That way you're not making a hanger for a dozen cordless tools then later you find 2 more. Ask me how I know. Mine looks a little jenky now after all the additions 😊
Okay the cables are needed , we learned that today...now get a second set. Weld tabs/brackets for the second set of cable behind the posts , drill holes for the new cable through your gert use garden hose to prevent banging noise, and turn buckles to tighten the cables...remove the old set....should work.
commercial building batt insulation. It's between the metal outside and the frame though. I've seen and heard great things about closed foam spray insulation
Be careful with spray foam. I've been hearing that in some areas, insurance companies and mortgage lenders are refusing to insure buildings with spray foam
Stove pipe goes through the roof, you don't ever want horizontal stove piping if you can avoid it, It will collect ash over time then the pipes must be taken apart/taken down to clean,, Also, the top of the pipe where it exits the building whether it's outside the sidewall or through the roof, must go above the roof line/peak a bit for proper draft..
I would buy or build a workbenches with lots of shelves or drawers. Storage is most important. If someone comes in your shop they should not be able to place hands on your tools. My favorite thing was a charging board for Battery tools. I always had charged up battery's for my drills and saws. Conex boxes are cheap and are great for storage instead of an expensive mega barn.
Could the bracing be replaced with bracing sitting behind the upright posts?
ya know...I'm not sure
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer Contact the builder of the shop. They will know IF you can move those braces and how much trouble it will be.
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16:04 You NEED to get with the builder & OTHERS who has built such & talk to the ENGINEERS about such and DON'T guess about such, REVIEW the ACTUAL Engineering drawings with them, as a fellow who does such told me "I don't take out supports I add them"
Being a farmer you probably have 2 or 3 of everything. I can't remember if it was you or wranglerstar but one of the two has a separate tool box for each "task" Plumbing, electrical, fencing, etc. This has been hands down the best change in mindset I've made when it comes to tools, saves me sooooo many trips back to the shop to grab x,y or z.
My suggestion is to map out your shop on paper into zones. Each zone for a particular purpose ie: where the taller lift is, mechanical repair, another area for specifically for implement storage like sprayers, pressure washers, chain saws. Then determine the workflow you want for efficient use. Do you want shelves, hanging racks, or lofts. When you think in zones, organizing becomes much easier
I was going to say the same thing.
@StoneyRidgeFarmer
There is a free App I used called "Floor Plan Creator". I used it on my phone to plan out my 80x40 shop layout after I had to start from scratch with the building having to be torn down and built back up from the slab after a storm.
Seriously take a look at in home elevators. They’re more economical than you may think. Master Bedrooms are awesome upstairs with a view but as we get older stairs are not our friend. Also you do real work. If you hurt a knee or back you will not be able to get to your bedroom. A buddy of mines Mom put one in their house and it was so cool. Just a suggestion brother!
Do a stone and masonry wall in back of the stove It's beautiful and holds heat
Exactly my thought, or maybe even decorative brick design. Something to trap the heat and protect the area around the stove.
people think im crazy but my dad turned me onto using old file cabinets for tool storage. until ppl see how organized i am. very rarely do i have to go looking for a tool. i label each drawer what it has in it. you can store so much stuff. i even have one for my canning jars in the house. these older heavy duty ones can be found on marketplace and work places for free or cheap. I love them.
Locate the stove near to the steel column, not in the dead center. You can support the stovepipe from the column. Run the pipe up as high as is practical and then penetrate the wall. There will only be a short section outside needing support. You will have a good long run inside the shop. Set the stove on some sort of insulating surface. Don't put the stove directly on concrete. Heating concrete to a high enough temperature can degrade it and turn it back into piles of sand and gravel. That x bracing is pulling the two halves of your structure together. The big bay doors in that wall weaken the structure, and the bracing makes up for it. I'm not a civil engineer, but I know that much.
Build out from the wall in a U shape. Creating walls from the wall out to 10' will increase the storage area.
Build your workbench in the center of the U shape. Add space under the workbench for arc & mig welding station.
Using peg board and tool chests store wood tools at one end and metal on its side. In the middle create a cabinet to store battery powered tools with one shelf wired to AC to charge batteries.
Place yout drill press on one end and the skill saw on the other side.
I assume that you will build out walls for the electric panel. Include space for the air compresser. Plumb steel pipe around the work area with access ports spaced around the room.
Just a few thoughts off the top of my head
A few points, some have already been made.
1) put a mini split in the living area, much easier to control temp.
2) add sound insulation to living area ( floor, walls and ceilings) to cut down on noise + insulation from shop
3) an elevator is/will be your friend if this is a forever home
4) add a powered lift platform to mezzanine
5) you haven't said how you will cool shop in summer, as mentioned before put large ceiling fans (big ass fans work great) in shop to circulate heat from stove in winter and whatever you use to cool in summer.
6) in living area, plumb drain lines with floor drains under frig, dishwasher, sink, hot water heater (if storage tank kind) and cloths washer (cheap to do on new construction) you'll thank me later
7) 20' or 40' containers either purchased or rented will be your friend during buildout.
8) remember to plan on trash/garbage disposal either a small dumpster or large sturdy cans hidden from view
9) you may want to plan on 2 seperate water drain lines. one grey to use on farm and one brown going to septic
build yourself some carts from 4x4s and put casters on the bottom of the 4x4s there wrap with 2x size of your choice. You can custom build these carts depending on the department of each area. peace brother. I appreciate your videos because you remind me of the spirit I used to have when my life was not so chaotic. thanks
I'm putting EVERYTHING in my shop on wheels! BECAUSE I've found times & projects change, I bought 2 one way 40 ft containers & built shelves in one & the other with carts on wheels that hold 8 clear containers to organize stuff thus giving me 99% of my shop floor for actual work
First separate your space for maintenance on vehicles. Oil/grease/lube
Then separate your tools for mechanical-wood-
electric, etc. Area of work
It looks like you got stuff for shipping, use that side door for load/unload for that.
Outside you should build your self a implement shed.
Get your self diesel tanks/gas. Under a shed roof.
Keep one area for just for fast cleanup.
Of you have the time or money left
Say do you need a 40 ton single phase Ironworker.
Josh really impressive how far you've come with the farm and your shared personal life good for you bro keep it up🤘🏼🇺🇸 been watching your channel for a very long time you were a nurse so you know I work in the hospital as a patient transporter for 36 years and I've learned don't take life too serious. It ain't permanent.😐☝🏼👍🏼
French Cleats are very versatile and create a lot of options.
Stove pipe issue: my thoughts are 1. The double wall pipes don’t throw off much heat. 2. Think about the smoke if you bring it out the side, will it stain the barn? I will have the exact same issue on mine so I’m glad you’re going first 😎
Wet wood will shrink and create gaps between the boards. I have 12" pine boards for our floors and now there are gaps throughout the house.
Going straight up with your pipe creates the best draw , two 90 degree elbows is going to disrupt your stove proformance
One thing I would have added to a shop that size since you have the height to do it...
A bridge crane. It makes moving heavy parts and materials from one area to another a lot easier.
I'll be waiting for your new videos on how you get your shop build completed. I bet it'll look great!
YES! the braces are necessary. They are for wind load and God forbid an earthquake. They keep the building stable. Lee (PS: You are going to have to clean the chimney with a brush. It will be easier if you go thru the roof. With the double wall pipe it would be easier to seal. That how I did the chimney on my outside wood burner - it's in my wood shed, so I don't get wet when it rains. Cleaning the pipe is a breeze.)
I would not use wet directly off the mill wood. As the wood dries, its gonna leave gaps. I'd bring it indoors and let it sit for a few weeks and let the initial dampness from being out side wick out. The tool room make sure your layout allows for ease of good house keeping.
To add to the wood drying the 'rule of thumb' is to allow a year for each inch of thickness when air drying. I'm sure you know that. But that's to get it for making furniture type stuff. I don't think I'd use it straight off the mill for 'structural' framing as you may need to tear it out if it shrinks/moves too much.
Ideas for the stove area. One thing you might consider is thermal mass. One of the best ways to make a stove incredibly efficient is to wrap a bunch of concrete around it or put rocks on top, once the thermal mass heats up you can just crank your stove down to the lowest setting and it will keep that warm and it will store all of that heat in there And allow you to get a much longer burn. So if you’re gonna have a really cold freezing night you could crank it up during the day loaded up with wood and put it on the slowest burn setting and get several hours of heat into the night and even if it goes out early in the morning then you have all this thermal mass in there that’s a stored heat The whole time which will just keep radiating for a few hours and when you roll into the shop in the next morning it shouldn’t be quite so horrible and it should be a lot quicker to heat up again. They even have systems with a build the wood stoves into huge concrete structures. It’s kind of the same premise as a boiler. There are also system I’ve seen where it wraps coils around your exhaust tube stores the heat and runs it into a water tank and I’ve seen some off grid people use that like a water heater so they had hot water But also as a thermal mass Storage. I saw a UA-cam channel where one guy did that he took a water heater tank and put it underneath his house and he did it and that we had a heat source under the house to keep pipes and everything from freezing And the heat source was just the extra heat from the vent tube most of which would’ve just gone out the other end of the chimney anyway so there are a lot of options but one of the best ways to boost your efficiency as somehow store that heat in there but even if you were to build that back wall Out of cinderblocks and fill them with concrete and wrap it around the sides you’d still have a pretty significant thermal mass there to absorb heat and store it for longer, maybe even use both techniques and run water tubes through it just like a geothermal heating or an indoor heating system where you heated off the vent and run it through Something it would build out of concrete, it might be fun too research a little.
I was also thinking that with Heating water and a coil around the exhaust tubes you could make a radiator system and spread it out around the shop to more evenly distribute the heat with a radiator system of some sort you could make that out of concrete implement with heat rated tubing And just circulate that hot water around the shop and your shop is tall enough to where you can have a pretty significant amount of exhaust tube have a lot more surface area for the coil tubing or even have a second system or tank to heat up as well. 🤔
Since you have tall walls I think the mezzanine idea is a no brainer if you’ve got the wood to build it that’s just a ton of extra storage/shelf space where you can put implements and pallets and all kinds of stuff. And if you make the mezzanine or part of it tall enough, you can even have hanging storage underneath it.
If the stove is under the mezzanine that will trap some heat from the stove. Put a directional fan under the mezzanine to blow out and down into your shop. With that high of ceiling, you may need ceiling fans as well.
Had an 87' pickup with the 22R that I managed to traverse around the western part of the country back in the day. with 33' tires and 6" lift, it topped out around 60mph on the highway, but it was by far the funnest vehicle I've ever owned. Would love to restore another one on par with the "Yotacorn". Very nice.
I wouldn't use double wall pipe except where it goes through the building , you want that heat coming out in the building!
The flue will need to be "insulated" to prevent condensation inside flue , causing tar buildup if you go too high. Recommend going out of wall at around 14'.
Love direction you're taking super stoked about stocking lunber up cureing and seasoning to slow/stop checking *awesome *
Can't wait for the shop to transform.
Josh...take pipe through the wall and then a T up the outside. The bottom of the T towards the ground with a cap on it. So to clean out you pop off cap and brush from top down, pushing everthing into a bucket under the T. Put the cap back on and fire it up😊.
hi there nice show ,best to all john
The mezzanine sounds perfect size. I think you need to kinda do a rough drawing and plan on some paper for the tool and workbench area and I would agree with you with taking the smokestack out the side wall and not the roof.
Look forward to seeing the build out .. stay warm and safe in the storm. We’re supposed to get a mess up here in Virginia Beach.
Josh, I would build out the wall behind the stove and build in that wall shelving so as to not waste that space. I would never use wood pegboard. It is weak and fails way too soon.
You have a lot of toys.....I'm a little jealous!
don't be! I need to get rid of some stuff!
The bracing is for shear wall . When you shook it the roof also rattled. It’s one continuous shear wall and roof. Do not disturb it.
Agreed that the higher you go the more heat you get from the pipe. Just remember when this when you have to clean the pipe out from soot
Loved Kuma woodstove ❤
Probably for starters is a small shipping container to move all your junk out of the shop space until you get the construction done (ie 2nd floor apt & shop), Consider getting used Vidmar or Lista type modular cabinet for storing parts, tools, consumables. if you cannot find a used one, you can build your own out of lumber. Drawer cabinets are the best for storing parts & tools since provides easy access & keep them relatively dust free. A roller tool cabinet is also useful since you can roll it over to the machine your working on, but aren't practical for storing large items (parts, large tools like skill saws. A nice welding table is great for repair work, at some point every farmer
ancher becomes a welder. Are you planning to use steel posts for the second floor apt. & mezzanine? Another option is some commercial storage racks (the multistory ones used in Lowes\Sam's Club\Costco. You can store feed, & infrequent items on pallets, & use the forks on a tractor to put stuff up or take it down. You just need to look for deals on used storage racks. Or set up your mezzanine so you can lift up pallets & used a hand pallet jack to move pallets around the mezzanine. I would go with one set of stairs to reduce wasted space. You got a lot of stuff & the collection is probably only going to grow, not shrink.
I would take the stove pipe out through the roof. If you come out the side you will get some soot on the building. I know this from experience even with coming out from the building 3 foot. Just my 2 cents
Talk to engineer about gigantic layeral steel diagonal bracing wonderful space Josh great guy building!
My shop is a complete mess now. But this next summer I'm going to do the spray foam insulation and try to finish the inside. Then I can put stuff away and organize it
Use the good lumber for your bedroom and another room
Love your show new shop looks great
I would... 😏 You did ask for ideas/advice, come out of the stove with regular stove piping until you got up closer to the exit point. Being that you have a catalyst, creosote shouldn't be a problem in a chimney that dissipates more heat. The double-wall will be good to retain more heat as it goes through the wall and outside. If you don't have an adaptor that goes from the stove to inside the chimney pipe, then I would use chimney pipe cement or refractory cement where the pipe goes into the stove. Run the chimney hot for a couple hours every few days/week to keep the chimney clean. I would go through the wall, and then use an H-pipe at the top for venting the smoke.
Keep as much stovepipe inside as possible. Whether you exit the pipe through the roof or wall, there's always a chance of a leak. A heavy-duty wood workbench along a wall is nice. And old hand tools hanging on a backing looks cool and rustic. A large heavy metal shop table is also handy for welding and mechanical projects. Mechanic tools should be in a rolling toolbox. I got one that was too small, now I have 3. I also find it handy to have tool bags and buckets for field repairs. Make sure to plumb your shop with plenty of air fittings and some for outside. I'm always stringing air hoses to fill tires or run air tools outside. And don't forget electrical outlets including 220 plugs for a (stick) welder. Wire feed welders do not work well if there's a breeze, unless you have flux core wire. I prefer stick for my larger farm repairs. Check out Austin Ross for welding videos. He has an awesome channel. Also, look online for shop setup and layout. See what others do before you commit. As for lifts, I would really like a 2 post lift. If you have to work on brakes and suspension you are free to do so easily. A 2 post lift lifts a vehicle from the frame. With a 4 post lift you can't because the vehicle is still on it's wheels.
Put the mezzanine near the 4 post lift so it can be used as an elevator once in a while.
What’s in the jugs? Stoney mountain moonshine?
It's easier to clean a pipe out outside your house but the more elbows you put in to any wood stove is a place that creosote can get build up and at . But you are right that you can get more heat if you leave more pipe and your building
Go through the wall for your stove pipe. If you went through the roof, think about taking the stove pipe down every year to clean it and of all that soot falling all over your shop when you do.
Man alive!! You have a year or 2 of content. Hope it turns out just like you want it!!!
Throw the chimney outside the wall as soon as you can after the stove, and use insulated chimney pipe (the silver one). It's safest that way. My .02 cents.
Totally agree
Josh,take your time and maybe 🤔 a little bit of variety in doing your tool storage area 👍another excellent video 😮😊❤
Check with your friend Al at Lumnah Acres. He installed wood burning heater in his shop. Watch Saturday show on Lumnah Acres you can see exhaust
Yeppers I know Al very well...we're good buds
Hint tractors on the far end, tool storage middle, home kitchen stuff middle till home is built framed out and finished. Get a few ahipping containers for junk and priceless
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i build solid walls first. i've done metal up 4ft with a trim board. then a nice 3/4 wall board above.. studs on 12 inches centers. that leaves you lots of options for wall units extra. metal peg board between the upper cabinets and work bench. you can run fir strips to hold the peg board out. you want the wall to be solid and simple. benchs and wall units often change over time. you will most likely get sponcers whom would love to help you set up the shop. so leave the slate solid and simple. good luck.
Single wall stove pipe until you get to wall or roof penetration.
I have said for years… “Never turn down anything free unless it’s illegal, or immoral”
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… or the barn is FULL 😂
Be sure to have "extra" outlets in the workarea...how about a compressor?
yeppers....got a huge compressor back there in the mechanic room (not existent yet lol) It's like eating an elephant...just one bit at a time!
I’ve got no advice for you. I think what you are doing is epic and about as cool as it gets. Your barndominium I predict will be,👌🏻.
How long are you letting your new lumber (from the mill) dry?
Plan, plan and review, then replan. Get a drawing of the wood structure. A drawing plan of the whole 1st floor shop, kitchen, tools, and equipment!!!
You’ve got a job!!! Reach out to the bldg manufacturer!
In NY we use single wall inside and transition to double wall at the wall thimble. That's gonna be alot of pipe to get it above the roof line in that spot
I’m with you on no holes in the roof. I’d go out the wall to I think with a small 90 degree pipe and rain guard
I have tried every tool storage over the years from inexpensive to snapon - I have totally moved to new age products - best bang for your buck and great storage. I have all three shops organized with their products- you won’t regret it.
Remember if you go thru the wall for the pipe is you create a bent ( a chock point ) causing a point for buildup. Myself go thru the roof ( no bends ) 🇨🇦👍
Well, Josh, you know my suggestion would be to make the whole building a shop. Then have Kyle from R&R buildings come out and put in a timber frame and have a really fantastic barndominium. 😊
Do not remove the bracing it is very necessary for stabilization of the building. And the reason why there isn't on the other side because you have your doorways in here that make structural strong. I put these buildings up for about 10 years out here in California...
@StoneyRidgeFarmer Can you talk more about why you have decided your implements need to be stored inside?
I'd like to know more about why. I was thinking about doing an implement storage rack outside for mine but I would like to know what you have experienced now that made you decide to use your valuable shop space for implements.
First off first things first, if you don't have all your electrical and plumbing ran, run that first and then spray foam insulation. It's a little more expensive but it's the best stuff, especially in a metal building trying to seal up all the nooks and crannies
I hear you...getting that electrical and plumbing in place should be a priority!
@StoneyRidgeFarmer for your little inside storage, are you going to do wood or like a metal grate type?
really no idea buddy.....I'm just not sure...so many options. I've been looking at Omniwall products
@StoneyRidgeFarmer I didn't realize that you already had insulation in the wall.
oh yes...the whole shop is well insulated
Cody is like food. If you cook it right it is great. And sometimes no matter how you cook it leaves you thinking wtf did I just eat! All the same not sure how much is for the comment generator or not. All content creators create content.
Mechanics tool box for nice shop tools. Then have farm a farm tool box/skid that can sit in the bed of a truck or side by side.
Stove pipe out the wall in my experience. Roof won’t leak if you there aren’t extra holes in it.
The rods are necessary for keeping the building square and to keep it from being damaged by the wind.
If you go through the wall at like one guy said then you can clean the chimney from outside the building through the t that should be outside and not an elbow. Take the bottom cap off and run the brush up.
Use french brackets much stronger than pegboard.
Just my thoughts (and wishes if I had that beautiful building.
Ps: plan out the building and put tape on the floor. I bet you will move the tape many times before you know for sure what you want.
I’m in the design phase of my building and my company drills holes in the big steel beams and makes this bars more internal.
Maybe you could drill holes and use a flexible steel cable?
I have a large tool chest for all the hand tools, socket, pliers, impact wrenches, screwdrivers, ect.. I use a small tool cart to gather what I need to do the job, then everything goes back where it belongs.
steel peg board on the upper side and the roll in cabinets underneath would work well. The other peg board eventually falls apart.
I look forward to you building out your Barndo as I am considering something similar but on a smaller scale.
you need a storage barn for all your stuff😆
How long are you letting your new lumber (from the mill) dry?
Plan, plan and review, then replan. Get a drawing of the wood structure. A drawing plan of the whole 1st floor shop, kitchen, tools, and equipment!!!
You’ve got a job!!!
1 year per inch air dry is what's pretty common
You got it!
Build yourself a solar kiln, and years come down to months. There are a number of plans on UA-cam
Cabinets on wheels just in case you need to move them around. You are gonna nee all the storage space you can find.
I would run the stove exhaust out through the wall, just my opinion, I'm by no means an expert.
That’s best
The stove needs "single wall" pipe from the stove to below the ceiling. The pipe temperature will run several hundred degrees and put off a lot of heat. A thermostat on the pipe, about 4 feet above the stove, will tell you a lot about the fire.
Shelving takes up a lot of room. I like to use shelving on wheels so you can put the shelving right next to each other thus eliminating the aisle in between each shelving unit. Then I can just pull out the shelving units to get what I need. The wire shelving units are strong and if you are in need of really heavy wheels I make a steel dolly for it.
Josh, Definitely a huge project. I would agree with taking the stove pipe through the wall, then you can put a clean out at the 90 outdoors.
I know you want the metal roofing behind the stove, but my opinion would be masonry. Heat will penetrate thin metal faster, also masonry will radiate the heat. Just my two cents.
I encourage you to put brick down before you set the stove.
run pipe through the wall not the roof don't use insulated pipe in side till you get close to going through the wall you will get more heat out of pipe
Chuck over at sheraton farms just changed out the wood on his wall behind the stove. He has an old 4' saw blade in between. Looks pretty cool...
Id honestly say Josh if you can condense your tools to one area and keep the motorized stuff where its easily accessible, then the storage can be used more for stuff that you maybe use once or twice a year. I know how it goes though, once you build a shop, is it really ever big enough.? I agree with the zone idea. Just do one zone at a time and that way you stay organized.
Easier to sweep a straight chimney than one with a 45 angle.
GREAT plan right there !
Tractor run in: 6 stall roof & 3 side shed gravel floor.
Wire fencing outside stuff you may use given to you un 8x40 container, ; 4 whèelers in covered shed out of shop its stuffed you need room to build.; Set up lift if its in big shop have organizer come organize you shop. Tgi web for decking glue web beam for girder. Build deck sheet it with 5/4" osb plywood put 3 coats of water base poly sealer start assembly place main beam girder and baring post on house structure get in up there get 2/3 to 3/4 stuff out of shop until you're finished Josh too congested to work its cant see the forest for the trees too busy to see or do project so set up to unclutter . Start in and build home or home office get baring beams put hangers on it to put floor joist put a few on a week start getting boards up in the air worry about floor decking later or just at landing top of stairs main house get er done but way too much in the way run electric tender power for side by sides & 4 wheelers etc. But out of shop as it is its too much to build long term projects like whillys under plastic under canvas with moth balls it takes critical room if your not doing something with it for 1/2 year get it out of your shop later bring in back inside museum display exception cureing wood seasoning for moisture large timbers decking stairs joist handrails get it in dunnage and on flat floors with fans to dry big wood slowly so it doesn't check to death splitting. Slow dry appearance grade large wood and beams etc.
Let debth of personal space be yours suggest dont show it or in background or cursory show framing but dont publicize your interior of home privacy security. So you'll not have people going into your home. I ran large estates of public people private areas remain private perhaps small short cabinetry or plumbing but keep people from knowing your homes lay out understanding entry or security of doors & camera. Safety and not giving entry information. Public & private once beams post and joist flooring go up need to know friends or professional people who work on home. Once you're done intensive camera prep or projects but focus outward not intrusive. Suggestion
Very nice stove!
The braces square the building up and keep it in square.
Hey Josh thank you for the video and I agreed the more pipe you have in the building the more warmer it's going to be but I would go through the roof you know they have those things that you put their I think it's the same thing that you have already for your toilet and sink and shower that pipe that runs through their the vent pipe they had the aluminum piece that they put on the roof I think you would get something like that woo
Organize ,organize ,organize then plan. That way you're not making a hanger for a dozen cordless tools then later you find 2 more. Ask me how I know. Mine looks a little jenky now after all the additions 😊
You have WAY too many Irons in the fire! Josh laugh! No judge zone! At least you have 'New junk', I have Old Junk! Wooo!!
Okay the cables are needed , we learned that today...now get a second set. Weld tabs/brackets for the second set of cable behind the posts , drill holes for the new cable through your gert use garden hose to prevent banging noise, and turn buckles to tighten the cables...remove the old set....should work.
25:00 SOLD me on the stove, but I'd would of put a perfect version in there : )
What did you use for insulation I need to insulate my building
commercial building batt insulation. It's between the metal outside and the frame though. I've seen and heard great things about closed foam spray insulation
Be careful with spray foam. I've been hearing that in some areas, insurance companies and mortgage lenders are refusing to insure buildings with spray foam
farm bureau has no problem with it from my experience
Have you looked into getting a "Big Ass Fan" to put in the shop, to move air, in summer, but also in winter in concert with your stove?
that would be nice! Boy those are expensive!
Stove pipe goes through the roof, you don't ever want horizontal stove piping if you can avoid it, It will collect ash over time then the pipes must be taken apart/taken down to clean,,
Also, the top of the pipe where it exits the building whether it's outside the sidewall or through the roof, must go above the roof line/peak a bit for proper draft..
You didn't say where the still is going! You ain't a good ole boy without shine!! 😊
You’ve already overpromised your shop space. Time for an addition off the back.
Leave room for a wood rack for the stove
I would buy or build a workbenches with lots of shelves or drawers. Storage is most important. If someone comes in your shop they should not be able to place hands on your tools. My favorite thing was a charging board for Battery tools. I always had charged up battery's for my drills and saws. Conex boxes are cheap and are great for storage instead of an expensive mega barn.