Hey guys. My store: www.longshotstore.com/ Join me on Discord: discord.gg/drNE6bT In this Eagle Dynamics: Digital Combat Simulator video Im flying the F22 Raptor against an F35 Lightning In the F35 Lightning we have Bl4de, Thank you very much! This is a gun only fight to try to do as much use of the AoA capability of both the F22 Raptor and the F35 Lightning. Hope you guys enjoy!
To even get shots on an F-22 let alone survive for more than the first turn is really impressive.. that guy flies the F-35 really well. The F-35 is not a dogfighter, it’s a quarterback, it’s a pocket passer, the F-22 is a cheat code scrambling QB that’s like Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahomes and Derrick Henry and Tyreek Hill combined into one player. It does everything to an exceptional degree, which is why it’s absolutely dominated the air for 3 decades and counting.
so much to love about this fight... the external shots especially in rounds 1 & 3 with the over-rudder and gun kill respectively.. holy damn those were intense.. Blade also put a hell of a show throughout, he really made sure you earned your kills LongShot, i love it all
Nice one again Longshot! Pretty cool seeing these two top world best fighters go toe to toe! Nice job! Hey where did you download the F35 from? I can’t seem to find it anywhere! Thanks and keep up the awesome work!
Hey LongShot I really enjoy your videos keep up the great work I found because of Growling Sidewinder and I am enjoying your videos my son just now subscribed... so you are contagious lol... thanks for the vids!
Of course you always have to wonder how accurate the DCS models are. And (again of course) piloting matters immensely. But I was surprised at how well the F-35 did. Remember all that web-chatter about what a dog it was? Actually that's still going on... But that chatter seems less and less plausible.
In round 1, the F35 lightning kind of gliched in the period of 4:45 to 4:46, the F35 seemingly came back up, this could have been much different though(possibly a longer round).
I love the Betty reciting what sound to me "auberge, auberge". Over-G of course but still funny. I like how our opponent jus dumped his nose and took a high rate turn to counter your lead-pulling. And then the to the vertical into the two-circle nose-to nose. Forcing the overshoot with partly by airmanship and partly by thrust vectoring was dangerous but satisfying. You may have been in deathly danger a couple of times, the F- 35 is no slouch in pointing at you. The planes are both great, but the F-22 is a master (with it's quite a dear sticker price). In DCS the gun if the F-22 evokes to me like the sounds a revolver cannon, but is is a modern linkless ammo one. I may have read the firing rate wrong.
Even in video games there is no good news for the F-35, Lockheed should offer a deal, buy 2 get 1 free... They need to get fat Amy some slim fast. I would like to see Blade in a Merage 2000 or Something he doesn't have to peddle Great video LongShot....
How are you making these mods flyable? I have these mods installed but I can't fly the aircraft personally, it works with the artificial intelligence though.
How do you manage to get replay tracks to actually work? For me some modules are more "reliable" than others, but the f-22 is just about the worst. I've never managed to get a replay with it where it was anything close to what happened.
Excellent video as always. I want to ask this question: What makes the F-22 so great? It seems to me the sum of its parts is greater than it should be. Aerodynamic efficiency is good not great, the avionics are dated and while its stealth is almost the best out there, it's not the best. Even its engines are dated, but they are still considered to be close to the best, if not the best. Is it like the P-51, where everything just works better than it should, making the aircraft spectacular. I'm not hating on the F-22, just curious about why it's so popular in DCS? I appreciated the narration tons in this video, especially about the over ruddering you were talking about in this video, which prompted my question. Props to Blade, for his crazy skill in the F-35. A little confused, but as always cheers to all.
Because in the real world the F-22 is the most superior fighter out there. Look at the age of the F-16 and how it is still the top dog fighter still. The tech and design of the F-22 is off the charts. Why do you think the Russians tried to copy it with the SU-57.
@@wilsonrawlin8547 Being the best is not the same as the most popular. I'm just curious, is it easier to get the most out of it? Does it have superior feel? I would agree about the SU-57, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery after all. In the real world i would agree it is the mark to beat, but I'm talking DCS. I thank you for your reply, cheers.
@@benwelch4076 simply because it's popular IRL, that's gonna translate to popularity in game. Think about how many people bought the tomcat/viper/hornet because it's their favorite plane.
@@djbiscuit1818 Very true, I was hoping somebody could explain why they enjoy flying it so much, is it because its so good, or maybe a certain feel to it. Both?
This video intrigues me. Sidewinder's version showed the F-22 dominate the F-35, but in this the lightning is actually giving it a run for it's money. I'd like to know more about how these to really match up. Is it purely because the raptor is playing the lightning's game in this? I know in rate the raptor should dominate right?
@@debbiestimac5175 Yes, I'm sure a plane made in the 90s has better sensors. I'm not talking aerodynamics performance, but pure sensor capability. F-35 outclasses it.
Love your content but sometimes there are too many 3rd person perspective replays. Make 2 turns - replay in 3pp, two more turns - replay in 3pp... Not a big deal, just some feedback :) Keep up the great work!
I also kind of thing that the F22's performance is a bit overrated because of its rudder, I mean any aircraft could use its rudder to turn into and over the bandit which would make the fight kind of neutral, maybe its also due to the thrust to weight ratio that makes the F22 stand on top, obviously this is just my opinion.
Is the F-35 really fifth gen? I suppose as far as stealth and BVR capabilities goes it is, but performance-wise it will get it's ass kicked against almost any 4th gen fighter in a WVR fight. Don't get me wrong - the F-35 has it's role and is a lot cheaper, but the US should have bought more f-22s than it did, IMHO.
The F35 has better avionics than the Raptor by a long shot. It’s way more technically capable with a much broader mission set than the Raptor. It was just marketed way better to a much broader audience and the costs were able to be spread much better.
As much as I enjoyed watching DCS, I wouldn't base real world performance on "Simulation", which is "public" information. I pay more attention to actual fighter pilots who have first hand knowledge. BTW, F35 is the newest fighter airplane, but its HW/ SW is upgradable which means it continues to evolve (can't say the same for F22)
Contrary to popular opinion on the internet - it is supposedly more maneuverable than any other fighter in the US fleet besides the F-22 as per its main test pilot. I think they also did a survey where something like 85% of F-16 pilots who had also flown the F-35 said that they would choose the F-35 over the Viper in any situation. Its avionics are so good that it can purportedly do maneuvers that are typically reserved for thrust vectored planes without actually having thrust vectoring.
I'm struggling to think of what mission spectrum Fat Amy would actually be good at. In the modern air to air regime it would not be best. It would have to rely on sensor superiority, and missile advantage, if it has that. In air to ground, it is way too complicated, and fragile. Any amount of damage is probably gonna take it down. Ironically enough, because it's stealthy, it would probably be best at the wild weasel mission. It fly in stealthy, turn on some sensors, attract attention, divert defenses, and than go cold and dark. While other assets move in on the kill. It's guns alone would have to be compromised either slanted down for better ground pounding, or slanted up for better air combat. The former is most likely. Seems like another jack of all trades airplane that just won't excel at anything, except sneaking in for a quick soft target strike, or the wild weasel mission. Correct me if I'm wrong but. Fat Amy seems more like a technology test bed airplane, than an actual combat intended aircraft. I bet it becomes quite obsolete really quickly.
The F-35 is a great multi-roll platform. It’s stealth capability allows it to control the engagement exceptionally well. The real f-35 has incredible AOA authority. And it powerful engine allows it surprising acceleration. The F-35 is not designed to out dogfight an F-22 or even some 4+ gen fighters. But due to it’s sensor fusion, the incredible situational it allows for it’s pilots, and it’s ability to pick the terms of engagement, it an incredible effective platform. Like any other weapons platform with unique strengths and weaknesses, it’s the training of the pilots that allows the F-35 to exploit it’s attributes and mitigate the plane’s shortcomings.
I'm convinced that F-22 is just a superior air fighter than F-35. And it's cheaper! I hope they cancel F-35 and put F-22 back in production finishing with this $1 trillion madness of F-35!
We need to get Longshot to 100K subs.
Thank you brothet, i realy appreaciate that!
Agreed 100%. He is outstanding and brilliant!
Agreed
@@nathanreece1743 who are u
@@mikefarris8113 just someone who enjoys these videos …why? Who are you?
I was expecting this to be a cake-walk for the F-22 but this was a surprisingly tense fight! Nice flying!
Put GS in that F22 and he's done for like a cake walk!
It rlly was very much so surprise me my respect for the F 35 has been bumped up
Hey guys.
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In this Eagle Dynamics: Digital Combat Simulator video Im flying the F22 Raptor against an F35 Lightning
In the F35 Lightning we have Bl4de, Thank you very much!
This is a gun only fight to try to do as much use of the AoA capability of both the F22 Raptor and the F35 Lightning.
Hope you guys enjoy!
Great vid LS. Love the F-22 videos, especially when it’s up against an F-35. Slow AOA fights are beautiful to watch.
Thanks! Glad you liked it
Best F-35 performance I’ve seen in DCS! I’d like to see him up against an F-15 since F-15 has surprisingly good one circle ability!
I would love to see more f-35 fights either in BVR or dogfights. And it might be interesting to try it against the SU-35 or su-57
Indeed. I would love to see a BVR F-22 or F-35 against both the SU-35 and SU-57. IMO the F-22 and F-35 win hands down in all scenarios.
That was probably the best flying I've seen anyone do with the F-35! That is still the F-22s game, and it won as it should,
Blade really made Longshot earn those kills. Great job Blade and Longshot!
F-22 has lived up to its expectations and legendary status; it truly deserves the great ruler of the skies title.
To even get shots on an F-22 let alone survive for more than the first turn is really impressive.. that guy flies the F-35 really well. The F-35 is not a dogfighter, it’s a quarterback, it’s a pocket passer, the F-22 is a cheat code scrambling QB that’s like Lamar Jackson and Pat Mahomes and Derrick Henry and Tyreek Hill combined into one player. It does everything to an exceptional degree, which is why it’s absolutely dominated the air for 3 decades and counting.
I’ll put my hand up in favor of the 3rd person cinematic shots. They are beautiful and amazing.
Loved that first round when you both had to pull out of the fight and for a second you were in formation lol.
Great maneuvering.. a reall.blast to watch. How you manage your situational awareness is awesome. Thanks
Thank you very much, glad you had fun
so much to love about this fight... the external shots especially in rounds 1 & 3 with the over-rudder and gun kill respectively.. holy damn those were intense.. Blade also put a hell of a show throughout, he really made sure you earned your kills LongShot, i love it all
Yeah it was a great fight.
Thank you
Saw the title and was hoping it would be BVR. Love some good stealth on stealth action. Great fight!
I think the F-35 actually did okay considering what it was up against.
Blade had some tricks up his sleeve and flew damn well IMO.
I wonder what the fight would've been like if the F-35 mod had the same flight characteristics as in real life.
@@TheHyperfiltheredit would be a a lot closer fights with both having chances to kill each other and both planes walking away with kills
Great video Longshot - cant wait for the next one!
The Nacho Cheese vs Cool Ranch Dorito fight 👊🏾 👊🏾
Nice flying GS!
F-22 is one of my favorites. I built the potting tooling for the inboard radar array's in my shop in NH.
Thanks, im not GS tho
@@LongShotChannel Sorry LS, typo! 👍
Nice one again Longshot! Pretty cool seeing these two top world best fighters go toe to toe! Nice job! Hey where did you download the F35 from? I can’t seem to find it anywhere! Thanks and keep up the awesome work!
Great video Longshot two planes doing what they were never designed to do hopefully, but it’s a lot of fun now switch aircraft.
INSANE VIDEO!! LS I swear you are a fighter pilot in real life. You are Brilliant. Excellent video and recap close ups were outstanding.
Hey LongShot I really enjoy your videos keep up the great work I found because of Growling Sidewinder and I am enjoying your videos my son just now subscribed... so you are contagious lol... thanks for the vids!
Thank you very much! To both of you!
Lesson learned here, don't underestimate the F35
Of course you always have to wonder how accurate the DCS models are. And (again of course) piloting matters immensely. But I was surprised at how well the F-35 did. Remember all that web-chatter about what a dog it was? Actually that's still going on... But that chatter seems less and less plausible.
what f35 mod are you using?
I would love to see an F35 vs F22 at range fight with missiles like the one that was 1 f22 vs 3 f15
In round 1, the F35 lightning kind of gliched in the period of 4:45 to 4:46, the F35 seemingly came back up, this could have been much different though(possibly a longer round).
Stunning and crisp graphics 👍🏻
Thanks!
The lighting is an absolute bus when it comes to WVR fights, good video!
It's like playing Gods of the air.
Great vid! Just a curiosity, how much fuel % would you burn approximately in a fight like this?
I love the Betty reciting what sound to me "auberge, auberge". Over-G of course but still funny. I like how our opponent jus dumped his nose and took a high rate turn to counter your lead-pulling. And then the to the vertical into the two-circle nose-to nose. Forcing the overshoot with partly by airmanship and partly by thrust vectoring was dangerous but satisfying.
You may have been in deathly danger a couple of times, the F- 35 is no slouch in pointing at you. The planes are both great, but the F-22 is a master (with it's quite a dear sticker price).
In DCS the gun if the F-22 evokes to me like the sounds a revolver cannon, but is is a modern linkless ammo one. I may have read the firing rate wrong.
gonna be cool if DCS add J 20 as an new fighter
Even in video games there is no good news for the F-35, Lockheed should offer a deal, buy 2 get 1 free... They need to get fat Amy some slim fast. I would like to see Blade in a Merage 2000 or Something he doesn't have to peddle Great video LongShot....
How are you making these mods flyable? I have these mods installed but I can't fly the aircraft personally, it works with the artificial intelligence though.
Nice. Diggin it man!
Can you do one BVR engagement with F-35 against a group of enemy fighters, please?
How do you manage to get replay tracks to actually work? For me some modules are more "reliable" than others, but the f-22 is just about the worst. I've never managed to get a replay with it where it was anything close to what happened.
Excellent video as always. I want to ask this question: What makes the F-22 so great? It seems to me the sum of its parts is greater than it should be. Aerodynamic efficiency is good not great, the avionics are dated and while its stealth is almost the best out there, it's not the best. Even its engines are dated, but they are still considered to be close to the best, if not the best. Is it like the P-51, where everything just works better than it should, making the aircraft spectacular. I'm not hating on the F-22, just curious about why it's so popular in DCS? I appreciated the narration tons in this video, especially about the over ruddering you were talking about in this video, which prompted my question. Props to Blade, for his crazy skill in the F-35. A little confused, but as always cheers to all.
Because in the real world the F-22 is the most superior fighter out there. Look at the age of the F-16 and how it is still the top dog fighter still. The tech and design of the F-22 is off the charts. Why do you think the Russians tried to copy it with the SU-57.
@@wilsonrawlin8547 Being the best is not the same as the most popular. I'm just curious, is it easier to get the most out of it? Does it have superior feel? I would agree about the SU-57, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery after all. In the real world i would agree it is the mark to beat, but I'm talking DCS. I thank you for your reply, cheers.
@@benwelch4076 simply because it's popular IRL, that's gonna translate to popularity in game. Think about how many people bought the tomcat/viper/hornet because it's their favorite plane.
@@djbiscuit1818 Very true, I was hoping somebody could explain why they enjoy flying it so much, is it because its so good, or maybe a certain feel to it. Both?
@@examples262 and was made to not only work in 1980’s but to also work in the 20th century
Excellent , as always !!!!
This video intrigues me. Sidewinder's version showed the F-22 dominate the F-35, but in this the lightning is actually giving it a run for it's money. I'd like to know more about how these to really match up. Is it purely because the raptor is playing the lightning's game in this? I know in rate the raptor should dominate right?
Yeah, in a rate fight (as shown in round 3) no issue.
In this video im playing the slow AoA game to see what the f35 can do
The F-22 has no competition if it shows its true capabilities in dogfighting and BVR.
@@NationChosenByGod In bvr the F-35 most likely beats it, because of it's significantly more advanced sensors.
@@-Seeker- Where do you get your intel? F-22 dominates Fat Amy in every regime, ask any jet driver out there.
@@debbiestimac5175 Yes, I'm sure a plane made in the 90s has better sensors. I'm not talking aerodynamics performance, but pure sensor capability. F-35 outclasses it.
Hell yeah longshot!
Keep it up king💪
Is the f22 unavailable now?
lol that 35 tried to wez jam your face in that first round...
Does this F-22 model have thrust vectoring?
WOW, great show.
Would be nice to see you with fat Amy in an air to ground Mission. Maybe with some S400 defending etc..
Love your content but sometimes there are too many 3rd person perspective replays. Make 2 turns - replay in 3pp, two more turns - replay in 3pp... Not a big deal, just some feedback :)
Keep up the great work!
When the machine says "Over-G" How many Gs are you pulling? And what does that mean in-game.
I'd like to see these two aircraft BVR
These dogfights were absolutely insane!!! Especially round 2!!!
I also kind of thing that the F22's performance is a bit overrated because of its rudder, I mean any aircraft could use its rudder to turn into and over the bandit which would make the fight kind of neutral, maybe its also due to the thrust to weight ratio that makes the F22 stand on top, obviously this is just my opinion.
It is an interesting fight
Awesome!
What is the mod for the F35?
Time 9:00…. Who is “Will”, and why do you wanna point your nose at him?
Where can I get hold of that F-35 mod? :-)
you deserve 1mill subs.
Thanks so much
YF23 next?
Can the F-35 pedal turn in DCS?
Where I can download f35?
Good scrap boys
they needa add the 2d thrust vectoring into the f22
Who would win a BVR?
Can we use the F35 exactly how it was supposed to be used?
i thought u were growling sidewinder lmao
not gonna lie the F35 pilot was really good
Stealth BVR F22 vs F35?
Is the F-35 really fifth gen? I suppose as far as stealth and BVR capabilities goes it is, but performance-wise it will get it's ass kicked against almost any 4th gen fighter in a WVR fight. Don't get me wrong - the F-35 has it's role and is a lot cheaper, but the US should have bought more f-22s than it did, IMHO.
The F35 has better avionics than the Raptor by a long shot.
It’s way more technically capable with a much broader mission set than the Raptor.
It was just marketed way better to a much broader audience and the costs were able to be spread much better.
As much as I enjoyed watching DCS, I wouldn't base real world performance on "Simulation", which is "public" information. I pay more attention to actual fighter pilots who have first hand knowledge. BTW, F35 is the newest fighter airplane, but its HW/ SW is upgradable which means it continues to evolve (can't say the same for F22)
Contrary to popular opinion on the internet - it is supposedly more maneuverable than any other fighter in the US fleet besides the F-22 as per its main test pilot. I think they also did a survey where something like 85% of F-16 pilots who had also flown the F-35 said that they would choose the F-35 over the Viper in any situation. Its avionics are so good that it can purportedly do maneuvers that are typically reserved for thrust vectored planes without actually having thrust vectoring.
Wait...is this a BVR fight? because that would make sense...no way 'Fat Amy' could beat F22 in a 'knife fight in a phone booth'.
No Amy, don’t go there!
Raptor playing with the kill
Sweet
f 35 might not be the best dog fighter but its not ment for dogfights but ppl act like its some trash when its really not
U da man. Man
SU57 and F22 one MO TIME!
You know you can't compare a bomber and a fighter
Dont be afraid to over-g the f22. The Air Force will rather have a damaged f22 than no f22 to RTB 😂
A Supporting comment )))
How about 2 f35's vs 6 f16's bvr
Привет! хотелось бы увидеть F-22 vs Su-57. Заранее спасибо.
damn i was rooting for the f 35 :(
F-22 lightning
@Pickle F-14 eagle 😏😏😏
FIRST LIKE TO THE KING !
I'm struggling to think of what mission spectrum Fat Amy would actually be good at.
In the modern air to air regime it would not be best. It would have to rely on sensor superiority, and missile advantage, if it has that.
In air to ground, it is way too complicated, and fragile. Any amount of damage is probably gonna take it down.
Ironically enough, because it's stealthy, it would probably be best at the wild weasel mission.
It fly in stealthy, turn on some sensors, attract attention, divert defenses, and than go cold and dark.
While other assets move in on the kill.
It's guns alone would have to be compromised either slanted down for better ground pounding, or slanted up for better air combat. The former is most likely.
Seems like another jack of all trades airplane that just won't excel at anything, except sneaking in for a quick soft target strike, or the wild weasel mission.
Correct me if I'm wrong but. Fat Amy seems more like a technology test bed airplane, than an actual combat intended aircraft.
I bet it becomes quite obsolete really quickly.
The F-35 is a great multi-roll platform. It’s stealth capability allows it to control the engagement exceptionally well. The real f-35 has incredible AOA authority. And it powerful engine allows it surprising acceleration. The F-35 is not designed to out dogfight an F-22 or even some 4+ gen fighters. But due to it’s sensor fusion, the incredible situational it allows for it’s pilots, and it’s ability to pick the terms of engagement, it an incredible effective platform. Like any other weapons platform with unique strengths and weaknesses, it’s the training of the pilots that allows the F-35 to exploit it’s attributes and mitigate the plane’s shortcomings.
Is it me or is the F35 better in a dogfight than the F22 xd
Better? No
I'm convinced that F-22 is just a superior air fighter than F-35. And it's cheaper! I hope they cancel F-35 and put F-22 back in production finishing with this $1 trillion madness of F-35!
Don't like F 22